China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 24 Apr 2017 20:41

tandav wrote:
Liu wrote: 1. allies' help(including british india) is respected/appreciated by chinese now.

2. british india fought as a part of british empire.

3.during WWII,british india troops were armed much better than chinese troops,and its logistic were well maintained by british huge industry complexs.
during the whole WWII,chinese troops were short of rifles and bulliets,let alone trucks, cannon tank and aircrafts.

4.in Battle of Imphal 1944,british india defeated japanese.
before 1944, british india performed poorly in singapore,Malysia and burma.

5.chinese troops did not receive massive aid until burma~yunnan highroad was reopened in early 1945.
when KMT finished arming its troops with modern USA's weapons in spring of 1945, WWII almost ended.

thus,most amerian aided weapons were used by KMT for civil war(1946-1949),instead of WWII.
Most Indians consider the Indian army in WW2 only nominally under British control. Just like the KMT the IA officer cadre was staffed by natives some higher level directions were from British generals, just like KMT took higher level directions from USA and Mao took directions from Russia.

British and Australian officers in Singapore ran away in cowardice and Singapore fell very fast when the Japanese attacked since they were basically enjoying the facilities of colonialism in posh places. After the IA colonial officers were replaced by native Indian officers the performance improved drastically. The entire industrial complex was within India itself and though it was not the highest grade it was enough to see off the Italians and Germans in Africa and Japanese in Burma. There was no huge industry in India since the British were sucking all resources from India just like in colonial China. Given that the British had no choice but to leave India after 1947 or else they would have been massacred in India by the same Indian army that gave them victory in WW2. They even stole most of the equipment like fighters and other aircraft that was paid for by India during war.

Basically the Russians, Indians and USA defeated Japan around China and gave you freedom.

well,

1.do you really think india was in the same league of USA/soviets,as for contribution to WWII?
your word make people think the big 3 should have been india/soviet/Usa,instead of UK/Soviet/USA.

2.which on hell was a colony,china or india?

3. british india in fact might join axies ,if Subhash Chandra Bose had suceeded.

to india's luck, Bose failed.

can you.imagine what would happned, if Bose had succeeded lead a axis india?

4. during WWII,several KMT divisions were trained/armed by americans in india .
according to the experience of those troops, india troops were armed much better and logistics was much better too, because of british industry complex and USA,s aid.

chola · Post by **chola** » 24 Apr 2017 20:45

ArjunPandit wrote:Tandav, after a point you will realize that you are trying to break a stonehead with your head only...

Worse, Liu is a fossilized 50-center from at least a decade ago on BR. Harder, denser and even more senseless and shitty than the usual stonehead.

Gawd, we need the PRC propaganda department to give a new operative. Arguing with the same 50-center over and over and over and over again is mind numbing to the extreme.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Apr 2017 21:03

May I point out that Liu has successfully diverted attention from China to India. The Chinese do it all the time. You talk about China - they pick up a number of things to hit India and Indians with and we are suckers. We start falling over each other like lemmings defending India. Quit all talk of India. Talk of China alone. This is the China military thread. If Liu posts something about India on this thread. it is OT. He is really trolling now and personally I think he needs the boot.

tandav · Post by **tandav** » 24 Apr 2017 23:05

shiv wrote:May I point out that Liu has successfully diverted attention from China to India. The Chinese do it all the time. You talk about China - they pick up a number of things to hit India and Indians with and we are suckers. We start falling over each other like lemmings defending India. Quit all talk of India. Talk of China alone. This is the China military thread. If Liu posts something about India on this thread. it is OT. He is really trolling now and personally I think he needs the boot.

Actually more than Liu my audience is the rest of the folks out here who do not know the true history of Asia and how Indian Army gave China and indeed many Asian, African and other colonized nations their independence. China has always had a supporting role in Asia (their not so peaceful rise is causing too many issues) and India must take up more leadership to rectify the vacuum that it has left by ceding too much ideological space. As Liu suggests theoretically If the IA fought with the Axis like it did for the Allies, there is no doubt most of the world would be speaking German, Hindi and Japanese. All this is off topic here, but the way I see it that there is no real information coming into this thread, only penis measuring concepts thrown about by 50 centers. What I am doing is to show that Chinese head start in power projection post WW2 is a historic aberration and will be soon rectified in short order. China should be mentally prepared to cede ground to India from Russia to Western Africa to the Champa sea and beyond to the Pacific ocean. Indians should be mentally prepared to claim their historic mandate.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 25 Apr 2017 01:22

Pffft..China was Japan's bitch and needed India to liberate them. Enough said!!.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Apr 2017 06:03

I would like to start a thread called "Roots of Chinese boastfulness: psyche and history"

I think every Indian writes about India and we need to talk about China. But this is the China military thread

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 25 Apr 2017 09:29

Liu, enough of lowering the dignity of China in this forum! No more posts from you without interesting URLs.

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2017 13:06

SriJoy! Welcome to the China Watch Thread. Vina says you are a 50-center. If so, we can safely cast off that old fossil Liu and have you as our chini viewpoint.

Anyways back to the original purpose of the thread which is spying on PRC equipment.

It looks like they are about to launch this fvcking thing today:

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 25 Apr 2017 13:28

<POOF> URL, not opinion Liu?

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2017 13:48

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chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2017 14:02

Alright Joy sir, a 50-center is a PRC propaganda operative sent to troll enemy websites for a purported salary of 50 US cents per post. We have two here at BR, Liu and David.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2017 14:36

a bit surprising why the 4 faced radar from 052 class has been put on the carrier. perhaps a meaty SAM loadout is planned but where since space on all carriers is right regardless of the size. the russis hung huge sponsons off the sides of kuznetsov to load the vls systems and kashtans.

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2017 14:54

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brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 25 Apr 2017 14:55

Singha wrote:a bit surprising why the 4 faced radar from 052 class has been put on the carrier. perhaps a meaty SAM loadout is planned but where since space on all carriers is right regardless of the size. the russis hung huge sponsons off the sides of kuznetsov to load the vls systems and kashtans.

Radar commonality is good for upgrades and future growth. The Ford too got the DBR and as it turned out it got a proper DBR as opposed to the DDG-1000 which got just one band. Even CVN-79 onwards they are shifting to a GaN AESA (EASR) which is essentially a scaled down AMDR with comparable performance to the current SPY-1 and like the DBR set up will be combined with the existing DBR's X band radar portion.

chola · Post by **chola** » 25 Apr 2017 14:59

Singha wrote:a bit surprising why the 4 faced radar from 052 class has been put on the carrier. perhaps a meaty SAM loadout is planned but where since space on all carriers is right regardless of the size. the russis hung huge sponsons off the sides of kuznetsov to load the vls systems and kashtans.

The chini Aegis knockoff would be for command and control as a flagship I imagine. Supposedly, the Type 001A rationalized space for the air wing by removing anything that had to do with missiles as was in the original Kuznetsov design. The Kuz had 12 giant Granit SSMs embedded in the flight deck which must have eaten into the hangar.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 26 Apr 2017 06:24

shiv wrote:I would like to start a thread called "Roots of Chinese boastfulness: psyche and history"

I think every Indian writes about India and we need to talk about China. But this is the China military thread

Please do. Enough of TSP piskologizing on this site already. They are just a tiresome nuisance, not really our rival. It's PRC that really needs your skills applied to

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 26 Apr 2017 09:40

IIRC, there used to be a thread called "Paranoid Republic of China", which succinctly states what we want to achieve in such a thread.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Apr 2017 09:57

Suraj wrote:
shiv wrote:I would like to start a thread called "Roots of Chinese boastfulness: psyche and history"

I think every Indian writes about India and we need to talk about China. But this is the China military thread
Please do. Enough of TSP piskologizing on this site already. They are just a tiresome nuisance, not really our rival. It's PRC that really needs your skills applied to

Started - in Strat forum
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7331

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 27 Apr 2017 09:44

From Xinhua:

China launches 2nd aircraft carrier

DALIAN, April 26 (Xinhua) -- China launched its second aircraft carrier Wednesday morning in northeast China's Dalian shipyard in Liaoning Province.
The new carrier, the first domestically-built one, was transferred from dry dock into the water at a launch ceremony that started at about 9 a.m. in Dalian shipyard of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corp.
It is China's second aircraft carrier, which comes after the Liaoning, a refitted former Soviet Union-made carrier that was put into commission in the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy in 2012.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Apr 2017 11:45

Interesting to note that China's first home-built carrier is just 50K t.A med. sized carrier,smaller than the Varyag/Liaoning. It realises that it can field more flat tops using a few med. sized carriers,rather than try and match the US's super carriers straight away. Instead of pouring a massive amt. of moolah into an N-powered,EMALS 65K-70K t behemoth,the IN would also be well advised to first field a sister ship to IAC-1,a little larger (45-50K t),which would be much cheaper,easier to operate for carrier crews and the air wing of the Fleet Air Arm,which could then use its air assets on any of the fat tops. What the GOI must do though is to insist on definite timelines from the builders and see that the funds are earmarked for it,kept aside, and the avoidance of major changes from the IN during construction unless absolutely neccessary.

chola · Post by **chola** » 27 Apr 2017 13:07

Philip wrote:Interesting to note that China's first home-built carrier is just 50K t.A med. sized carrier,smaller than the Varyag/Liaoning. It realises that it can field more flat tops using a few med. sized carriers,rather than try and match the US's super carriers straight away. Instead of pouring a massive amt. of moolah into an N-powered,EMALS 65K-70K t behemoth,the IN would also be well advised to first field a sister ship to IAC-1,a little larger (45-50K t),which would be much cheaper,easier to operate for carrier crews and the air wing of the Fleet Air Arm,which could then use its air assets on any of the fat tops. What the GOI must do though is to insist on definite timelines from the builders and see that the funds are earmarked for it,kept aside, and the avoidance of major changes from the IN during construction unless absolutely neccessary.

It is a near exact copy of the Kuznetsov/Varyag so should be the same size. In fact, it is the same size as the CVN proposed by the IN:

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ ... ImEZM.html

CHINA:
TYPE 001A
Displacement:
70,000 tonnes
Dimensions:
315 metres by 75 metres
Aircraft:
J-15 fighters, helicopters
Commissioning:
2020
What next:
China plans to operate a fleet of five to six aircraft carriers over the next decade.

INDIA:
VIKRANT
Displacement:
37,500 tonnes
Dimensions:
260 metres by 60 metres
Aircraft:
Mig-29K, helicopters
Commissioning:
2018 but may be delayed

INDIA:
INS VIKRAMADITYA
Displacement:
44,500-tonne
Dimensions:
284 metres by 60 metres
Aircraft:
Mig-29K, heliopters
Commissioned:
2013

chola · Post by **chola** » 27 Apr 2017 13:27

Not only is this Kuz copy as big as the modest CVN that Adm. Lanba, V. Adm Deshpande and the rest of the top brass in the IN wants, look at what is coming right after it.

They plan these things with years of lead time. Goddam ministry babus, give our Navy the carrier they want!

https://www.dailysabah.com/asia/2017/04 ... cally-made

The new carrier, which is currently referred to as Type 001A, is 315 metres long and 75 metres wide, and has a displacement of about 70,000 tons and a cruising speed of 31 knots.

It is slightly bigger than the Liaoning carrier, but their outlines are similar, according to The Paper, a Chinese state-owned publication.

Meanwhile, a third aircraft carrier, the Type 002, is being built in Shanghai.

Type 002 will be "far more advanced" than the first two carriers, according to the state-owned Global Times. It will look more like a US carrier than a Russian one as it will have no ski ramp, using catapult technology instead.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 May 2017 09:37

http://www.popsci.com/china-air-force-n ... tm_source=

China's air force has a new ground-attack plane
May 4, 2017
3-4 minutes

The L-15B prototype attack jet made its grand debut in a ceremony last week. Fanfare—including giant red banners and uniformed PLAAF officers—suggest the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and Hongdu Aviation Industry Group have high hopes for this multi-role light fighter.

If HAIG's L-15 advanced jet trainer is any indication, the attack version of the L-15B has a maximum take-off weight of around 9.6 tons and uses WS-17/AI-222K-25F turbofan engines to reach a top speed of Mach 1.4.

The L-15B deletes the flight instructor's rear seat to save weight, and can carry about three tons of weapons on its nine hardpoints (one under the fuselage and four on each wing). For ground attack, it can carry HJ-10 anti-tank guided missiles, and the LS series of 250-500kg laser- and satellite-guided bombs.

The L-15B can carry a wide range of Chinese lightweight aircraft sensors, like multi-mode targeting pods and electronic jammers. It is also fitted with an electronically scanned array radar, which enables it to serve in an antiaircraft role, using PL-12 long-range air-to-air missiles and PL-10 infrared-guided short-range missiles. Additionally, it could extend its 500km combat radius with fuel drop tanks to increase range and on-station flight time.

Previously only previewed in model form at airshows, the new plane is likely to draw from Hongdu's experience with the export L-15Z, a L-15 multirole variant built for the Zambian Air Force. The PLAAF has already acquired several squadrons of L-15 jet trainers to train its pilots for fourth- and fifth-generation fighter operations, so the L-15B should be inducted into service with minimal fuss.

The L-15B could replace many of China's Cold War-era light fighters like the J-7 fighter and Q-5 attack aircraft. Its basic long-range air-to-air combat capability gives it some level of protection against modern opponents, and its cheap cost means that it would make a readily available close air support (CAS) platform for Chinese ground forces (compared to, for example, an expensive J-16 multirole fighter). In addition to plastering enemy positions and armor with guided munitions, the L-15B can share its sensor data with ground forces through networks, as well as provide a rudimentary level of air defense in high-threat environments.

The L-15B is not only craft that toes the line between a trainer and a light fighter. The South Koreans have turned its KAI T-50 Golden Eagle jet trainer into the multirole FA-50 and the USAF itself is considering converting trainer aircraft into the light attack role under the A-X program.

titash · Post by **titash** » 07 May 2017 21:42

This is going to be a problem:

http://katehon.com/article/why-does-chi ... lane-world

This will enable rapid deployment of relatively well equipped troops during the lead up to a conflict.

From our perspective, this calls for a many fold increase in air power as well as border roads in Ladakh/Arunachal.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 07 May 2017 22:41

be hilarious if prc buys the trainer and not fartcraft-1

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 08 May 2017 00:20

From all the available pics the l15b looks disproportionate in terms of the wing size and where the cockpit is(hey am an expert in area ruling and everything aviation unlike shiv Garu)

nam · Post by **nam** » 08 May 2017 01:47

titash wrote:This is going to be a problem:

http://katehon.com/article/why-does-chi ... lane-world

This will enable rapid deployment of relatively well equipped troops during the lead up to a conflict.

From our perspective, this calls for a many fold increase in air power as well as border roads in Ladakh/Arunachal.

Well they can fly in to Tibet. But the problem remains, As soon they land, they will have breathing problems!

Assuming a lead time of 15 days for acclimation, they can get the troops using the train, doesn't require transport aircraft.

On the other side, we have dedicated manpower for LAC, in some cases locals. Our transport will be delivering kit and reserve.

So technically, it is China who should be a on a look out for an Indian invasion...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 May 2017 06:59

titash wrote:This is going to be a problem:

http://katehon.com/article/why-does-chi ... lane-world

This will enable rapid deployment of relatively well equipped troops during the lead up to a conflict.

From our perspective, this calls for a many fold increase in air power as well as border roads in Ladakh/Arunachal.

One of the reasons why I started the shiver or die laughing thread was because I want some information to be available in the public sphere and I hope that information will gradually filter up to India's leaders as well as to younger people who will be future leaders.

At this point in time China does not maintain a posture that will allow it to invade. It will take time to prepare if they want to do that. An-225s are an unknown quantity. No one, probably not even the Russians. Ukrainians or Chinese know if these aircraft can actually land in 4.5 high Tibet airfield, and if they can land, can they land with a full load and if they do land can they even take off with nominal fuel. It was teh IAF that discovered the capabilities of their aircraft. But yes, even without An 225s the Chinese have airfields that could land forces.

Now here is the point I want to make.

All those airfields are well within reach of the IAF. In case of conflict all of them must be taken out and all planes stopped from landing or taking off. If on the other hand our political leaders put on Nehru caps and Nehru glasses and say that using our air force is an escalation, but China using its air force to fill Tibet with troops against India is China's right then we will get our asses buggered like in 1962. In 1962 the skies were clear. Chinese logistics could have been chewed up by the IAF who were actually photographing them. But the mofo leaders were too busy shitting in their langotis and then enjoying the asslicking cleaning up of sycophants like Kaul

An-225 or An-225,000,000,000 those airfields will have to be cratered and rendered unrepairable till the year of the Dead Dlagon. We have a choice here. One of those choices is to ask our air force to put both thumbs in its musharraf and watch the tamasha while cheenis build up forces. You can guess the other choice.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2017 06:30

China tests new guided missile in Bohai Sea - PTI

China on Tuesday said it has successfully tested a new guided missile in the Bohai Sea near the tense Korean peninsula to raise the operational capability of its armed forces and "effectively respond to threats" to national security.

The People's Liberation Army Rocket (Missile) Force tested the new missile in the Bohai based on annual training programme, the defence ministry said in a brief statement.

The missile was designed to "raise operational capability" of the armed forces to "effectively respond to threats" to national security, it said, adding that the test had "achieved an expected result."

However, the statement did not specify when the missile was tested. It just said the test was carried out recently.

The ministry has not released any further information about the missile, state-run CGTN reported on Tuesday.

The Bohai Sea is a body of water off the coasts of Tianjin municipality, Shandong, Hebei and Liaoning provinces.

The test was carried amid China's vociferous protests over US deployment of THAAD interceptor missiles in South Korea, whose powerful radars could see through most part of China including its missile development programme.

THAAD's deployment in South Korea has infuriated China, which fears it will weaken its own ballistic missile capabilities and says it upsets the regional security balance.

The THAAD system is designed to intercept and destroy short and medium-range ballistic missiles during their final phase of flight.

The US said the THAAD deployment was aimed at countering any missile attack by North Korea against South Korea, Japan and US itself.

China has vowed appropriate response for THAAD missile batteries.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 May 2017 09:58

China's new jetliner - some facts that we need to know:
http://www.popsci.com/where-chinas-new- ... tm_source=

Today, aircraft makers like Airbus, Boeing, and COMAC are similar to smartphone makers in that they buy and integrate highly specific, third-party manufactured equipment into the end product, with much of the profit margins coming from maintenance, service, and upgrade contracts. Just like its Airbus and Boeing counterparts, the C919 relies on outside suppliers—often western ones—to supply critical systems like the LEAP-1 engines, avionics, and the landing gear. China hopes, though, that Chinese suppliers will start supplying the C919 and other jetliners with parts. Beijing hopes that the C919 and any eventual domestic supply chain will boost efforts to establish a domestic supply and research base.

Despite claims elsewhere, the C919 is not China's first large jetliner. The Shanghai Y-10 was a four-engine narrow-body airliner (like the Boeing 707 and 720) that carried up to 178 passengers and had a 110-ton maximum takeoff weight. It first flew in 1980, after years of development, but retired in after only three aircraft were built, due to its outdated technology (it had to use Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3B engines) and fuel inefficiency. Its autarkist connections to Red Guard ideology did not help it politically, either. Its chief designer, Wu Xingshi, would also design the ARJ-21, the next Chinese jetliner.

The ARJ-21, China's first jetliner since the Y-10, would have different problems. As COMAC's first jetliner, the ARJ-21 is a 98-passenger, 47-ton twin-engine jet in the same class as the Bombardier CRJ700 and Embrarer E Jets. However, the ARJ-21 suffered the indignity of an eight-year gap from its first flight in 2008 to entering service with launch customer Chengdu Airlines in 2016.

This delay can be attributed to COMAC's inexperience in obtain a flight worthiness certificate from Chinese authorities and quality control issues on the prototype. Presumably, EASA's willingness to sign onto the C919's certification process suggests that COMAC has learned from the ARJ-21 experience.

chola · Post by **chola** » 10 May 2017 11:15

Holy cow! Y-10 story is a complete shot from out of the dark. Had no idea chinkis were able to make the airframe for a 178 passenger plane way back in the 1970s?! Looked it up. The thing was politically tainted because the project was headed by one of the Gang of 4 persecuted by Deng and died on the vine but it flew. So all this hurrah for the C919 was 40 late.

It is a chini thread but I like to point out a few lessons can be learn here for any turd world nation looking to build an industry and 1970's PRC was turd world up to its neck.

It is possible for any modern emerging nation Brazil (already does through Embraer), Bharat, Mexico, Indinesia, perhaps South Africa and even Nigeria to build a large aircraft if 1970s PRC could do it. Its industrial base back then must have been smaller than any of the G-20 of today.

The thing flew with phoren engines just like the C919 today five decades later. Not just once or twice but 130 times.

It was killed off by a screwdrivergiri project with Unkil. Sounds familiar? lol

This thing occupies a place in my heart now since I began chini mil watching. Sort of like their SSN project, surprising they able to make this stuff at that stage of development.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

Three aircraft were built by the Shanghai Aircraft Factory, (now known as Shanghai Aviation Industrial Company, or SAIC), the first prototype (01) was used for static testing, the second prototype (02) was used for flight testing and the third (03) for fatigue testing. The plane first flew on September 26, 1980, making 130 flights with 170 hours of flying time, visiting Beijing, Harbin, Urumqi, Zhengzhou, Hefei, Guangzhou, Kunming, Lhasa and Chengdu before its retirement in 1984.[1]

The Y-10 is an indigenous Chinese design.[2] While rumors stated that the planes were reverse-engineered copies of the Boeing 707—one report claimed that after Chinese engineers disassembled a 707 to study it, neither the reassembled original nor the copy would fly[3]—both the Y-10's designers and Boeing denied this. While the Y-10 resembles the 707, its dimensions are closer to the Boeing 720 than the 707, and the internal design is very different.[2]

By the time the prototype was first flown, debate about its viability surfaced, based on a design that was already 30 years old, CAAC, which already owned a modest Western fleet, would not purchase the plane. China was beginning to embrace trade with the West, and some saw the isolationist design as an inefficient throwback to Maoism. China in the early reform era was ruled by rehabilitated cadres previously persecuted in the Cultural Revolution by Wang Hongwen, the project initiator, resulting in the cancellation of the project in 1983, officially due to cost and market concerns. During its maiden flights, no governmental officials attended the ceremonies for fear of the connection to Wang Hongwen and the Gang of Four. By 1985, SAMF had been granted production licensing for the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 and shifted all efforts towards that program.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 May 2017 11:30

very impressive feat. people are howling that almost every crucial subsystem of C919 is imported but ignore the fact that just designing and building the fuselage shell and efficient wing of a jetliner is a huge undertaking. integrating all of the subsystems into controls , and making it fly is another huge thing. making it reliable another massive leap. just developing the FCS of a reliable jetliner is a big thing.....and depends on human resources which take time to build up.

the subsystem vendors will be lining up in peking to setup local plants and share technology with JV partners with the smell of the 600+ guaranteed order.

japan has developed a smaller jetliner and sukhoi the superjet but lack of large local market might reduce their prospects vs C919 which will command a massive domestic demand. while airbus and boeing will be able to use political clout, bombardier and embraer will face a hard fight to survive once the chinese develop 3 sizes and start competing post 2025.

chola · Post by **chola** » 10 May 2017 12:01

Singha wrote:very impressive feat. people are howling that almost every crucial subsystem of C919 is imported but ignore the fact that just designing and building the fuselage shell and efficient wing of a jetliner is a huge undertaking. integrating all of the subsystems into controls , and making it fly is another huge thing. making it reliable another massive leap. just developing the FCS of a reliable jetliner is a big thing.....and depends on human resources which take time to build up.

the subsystem vendors will be lining up in peking to setup local plants and share technology with JV partners with the smell of the 600+ guaranteed order.

japan has developed a smaller jetliner and sukhoi the superjet but lack of large local market might reduce their prospects vs C919 which will command a massive domestic demand. while airbus and boeing will be able to use political clout, bombardier and embraer will face a hard fight to survive once the chinese develop 3 sizes and start competing post 2025.

Without doubt the chinis are leveraging their market for not only strong-arming western component makers to hand over technology but also force them to lobby EU/US to give all-important certification so the thing can land somewhere outside Cheen.

One other emerging market has the same clout in size if it ever gets its act together.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 May 2017 12:26

China's new light attack aircraft is spot on,to support ground forces in concert with the land battle. Prof. Das in VAYU has proposed that we build a GA version of the erstwhile Gnat,bringing it up to current tech,composites,armoured cockpit, et al,,which will be available at very low cost meant mainly for GA/close support. Sev. countries including the US are showcasing new examples of light attack aircraft ,which will also be armed with PGMs. Its small size,difficult-to-pick-up nature,will also give it excellent dogfighting abilities.The armed Hawk has apparently been dropped for other reasons,so the opening has been created ..again,for a dedicated land attack fighter.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 10 May 2017 17:02

^ Once the MANPADs start flying they will surely be in a spot

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 10 May 2017 18:35

You have to worry about the MANPAD threat so basically either design a highly survivable platform for below_15,000 ft operations (no such platform exists atm that can survive denial at those altitudes from a well trained, well equipped ground force), or something that has the ability to target through clouds, and weather from above that. Once you achieve the latter you then have to worry about the Air Defense threat in general (both from the ground and air) that covers much higher altitudes and forces investment in networks, Self Defense Electronic Warfare Suit, and performance.

Before you realize it, you essentially have a trainer modified to be somewhat survivable against both these threats and basically mimics your small multi-role aircraft but has limited room to grow to counter the growth in the threat. Its only advantage is cost, of course at the expense of flexibility, performance and growth like you would see in aircraft like the J-10 or similar larger single engine multi-role aircraft.

Of course this, much like the F/A-50 from KAI, is great for those air-forces that want a fast jet capability but are unable to either afford, or sustain a proper fighter fleet. This helps them to sustain their air-force through a trainer like cost structure and double up as an attack platform as needed. But it offers no real advantage over either a larger multi-role aircraft, or a specifically designed ground attack aircraft when it comes to things that are quite critical for the mission, such as payload, range/payload, time-on station etc.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 May 2017 20:04

Toi excerpt...

After Sri Lanka snub, Chinese submarine may head to Karachi
Rajat Pandit | 11 hours ago

PLAN has been regularly sending its nuclear and diesel-electric submarines to the IOR since December 2013 to extend its strategic reach in the region

The Navy has tracked seven Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean Region till now

NEW DELHI: India is keeping close tabs on the Chinese submarine currently prowling in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), which is now likely to head for Karachi after being refused permission to dock at Colombo , even as it has dispatched four warships on an overseas deployment to south-east Asia and southern Indian Ocean.
The Yuan-class conventional submarine was "picked up" by Indian Navy's Poseidon-8I long-range maritime patrol aircraft as soon as it crossed the Malacca Strait on April 19-20 as part of the 26th anti-piracy taskforce of the People's Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN).

PLAN has been regularly sending its nuclear and diesel-electric submarines to the IOR since December 2013 to extend its strategic reach in the region . "The pretext is anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden. But what role can submarines play against pirates and their dhows?" said a defence ministry source.

The Navy has tracked seven Chinese submarines in the IOR till now, with the first being a Shang-class nuclear attack submarine (SSN) from December 2013 to February 2014. "Two Chinese submarines, a nuclear one alternating with a diesel-electric one, are coming for three months each to the IOR every year. They usually come through the Malacca Strait, where they have to surface due to shallow depth, and exit through the Sunda Strait," he added.
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They have included the Song and Yuan-class conventional submarines and the Shang and Han SSNs, with the PLAN yet to deploy its new Jin-class advanced nuclear submarines to the region so far

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 15 May 2017 12:46

Three part series on China's Integrated Air Defense by Col Mandeep Singh
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2017/ ... em-part-i/
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2017/ ... gy-trends/
Third part on AD in Tibet-
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2017/ ... rld-tibet/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 May 2017 11:01

This is a 100 foot diameter dish outside Ngari in Tibet. what would be its purpose?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 17 May 2017 13:39

shiv wrote:This is a 100 foot diameter dish outside Ngari in Tibet. what would be its purpose?

Had read some reports of gravitational wave telescopes being set up in Ngari