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China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 09 Aug 2017 04:23

Exclusive: Why Indian Air Force may best Chinese jets in an air battle over Tibet
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exclusiv ... india-news

The lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict.

Profile of Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi from whom Vishnu Som wrote the above article from..

https://in.linkedin.com/in/sameer-joshi-97327a123

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 10 Aug 2017 09:49

Recent pic of Chinese Aircraft seen during Aviadarts 2017

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Aug 2017 16:52

Chinese Navy eyes Indian Ocean as part of plan to extend PLA reach
http://www.news18.com/news/india/chines ... 88661.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 11 Aug 2017 21:03

The plane looks pretty, but I can only see one wing pylon for an AAM (rocket pod in another image) and a wet pylon. I can only see 5 pylons (including both wings). In the pic below 3 have tanks. Any other pics of pylons?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby DavidD » 11 Aug 2017 23:30

At Avidart:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby AdityaM » 15 Aug 2017 23:49

As per Shiv Aroor on twitter:


Disturbing reports in of confrontation between Indian & Chinese troops in Ladakh. Pelted stones at each other early this morning. 1/n

Incident took place in Four Finger area straddling Pangong Tso frontier. Chinese troops entered. Stopped by ours, they pelted stones. 2/n

The confrontation lasted about 30 min. Chinese troops have 'retreated'. No official comment from govt or security forces. 3/n

Unusually ill-tempered incident. Troops crossing each other not uncommon. This time stones came flying when challenged. Ours retaliated. 4/4

https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/897515584748834816










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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby anupmisra » 16 Aug 2017 02:52

AdityaM wrote:As per Shiv Aroor on twitter:


Disturbing reports in of confrontation between Indian & Chinese troops in Ladakh. Pelted stones at each other early this morning. 1/n

Incident took place in Four Finger area straddling Pangong Tso frontier. Chinese troops entered. Stopped by ours, they pelted stones. 2/n

The confrontation lasted about 30 min. Chinese troops have 'retreated'. No official comment from govt or security forces. 3/n

Unusually ill-tempered incident. Troops crossing each other not uncommon. This time stones came flying when challenged. Ours retaliated. 4/4

https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/897515584748834816


Zee News video on Pangong lake (a year old Youtube video). Gives you a sense what the ground situation there is like.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 16 Aug 2017 07:40

anupmisra wrote:Zee News video on Pangong lake (a year old Youtube video). Gives you a sense what the ground situation there is like.


Interesting video except for "God save the qyoon" used as dramatic sounding music

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 16 Aug 2017 07:55

The Chinese highway G 219 that goes through Aksai Hind is close to the Eastern end of Pangong lake which is itself about 120 km from where we saw the action on the video. The Chinese have roads running north of Pangong lake.

Nearby is the town of Rutog which serves as supply base with storage areas and petroleum storage tanks. About 60 km away is Ngari and 40 km further is Ngari airfield.

Both these places are at the end of a very long logistics chain. But some stuff will come south from bases in Xinjiang. There is a military base on the G 219 just north of Aksai Hind

Relevant videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-CKlBQdWTI




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNqlLSUg5p8

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby niran » 16 Aug 2017 07:58

shiv wrote:Interesting video except for "God save the qyoon" used as dramatic sounding music

the lake is longish as opposed to circular till early 2017 cheeni would boat in Indian side of the lake and go back last year ;which the video depict IA ran knots around cheeni boats with their spiffy new Israeli boats, and this year IA fired few warning shots over their heads,

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 16 Aug 2017 10:38

see the other thread, the boats are american made and india has pushed back since atleast 2012 after getting these boats.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 16 Aug 2017 10:42

is that a re-enactment because the so called Cheen boat looks to be same as our boat. i think it was re enacted for the benefit of zee news to show what happens. not that they cannot buy these boats or 'clone' them but they already had 20 boats of similar size albeit less tfta looks

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 17 Aug 2017 12:28

Crash of the Chinese deck fighter J-15

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2788977.html

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The J-15 fighter piloted by the deputy commander of the 10th Aviation Regiment of the 4th PLAC Navy Air Division Senior Colonel Yuan Wei encountered a flock of birds during the start of the training flight. The plane got damage to the left engine. The pilot managed to land a fighter. There are no victims.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2017 14:28

Looking at the Hotan Airport there seems to be a squadron fighters parked, to my eye they look like J-8's. Can experts here confirm what aircraft they are?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 17 Aug 2017 16:26

Aditya_V wrote:Looking at the Hotan Airport there seems to be a squadron fighters parked, to my eye they look like J-8's. Can experts here confirm what aircraft they are?

Look like Q-5s to me

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 17 Aug 2017 20:04

Austin wrote:Crash of the Chinese deck fighter J-15

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2788977.html

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The J-15 fighter piloted by the deputy commander of the 10th Aviation Regiment of the 4th PLAC Navy Air Division Senior Colonel Yuan Wei encountered a flock of birds during the start of the training flight. The plane got damage to the left engine. The pilot managed to land a fighter. There are no victims.

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Lol. Too bad it wasn't actually on their carrier.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Aug 2017 23:15

:mrgreen:
shiv wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Looking at the Hotan Airport there seems to be a squadron fighters parked, to my eye they look like J-8's. Can experts here confirm what aircraft they are?

Look like Q-5s to me


Given the proximity of Hotan to Askai Chin 250km from DBO and relatively low altitude 4700 feet one wonders how come Chinese don't have J10's and J11's there and more importantly how we can neutralise Hotan. It seems to a big headache as unlike the other sectors our low altitude airfields are far away

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Lisa » 17 Aug 2017 23:23

^^ Has anyone ever heard of a bird strike on the tail of an aeroplane before. I haven't.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Shankas » 18 Aug 2017 02:19

Lisa wrote:^^ Has anyone ever heard of a bird strike on the tail of an aeroplane before. I haven't.


Lisa, I wouldn't make fun of it. It can happen, birds can rear end into jet fighters, especially if they happen to be flying faster than the J-15. :)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Aug 2017 05:55

Lisa wrote:^^ Has anyone ever heard of a bird strike on the tail of an aeroplane before. I haven't.

Then you have not seen this...happened in the late 80s.

Boar Reportedly Ruins Pakistani F-16 Jet
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-01-03/ ... _wild-boar

The pride of the PAF destroyed by an animal that is 'haram' to the Land of the Pure.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Aug 2017 11:34

Thinking about Hotan Airbase, the best way for IAF to neutralise it would be Jets attacking with Stand off PGM weapons taking from Awanitipura airbase? But looking at the airbase in Google maps all aircraft seem to be kept in small blast proof pens suited for Mig 21 size aircraft, SU-30 's will have to be kept in the open exposed to PAF and PLAAF.

The other option is to refuel Aircraft taking off from the plains over Kashmir.

As per Google maps flying distance from Awantipura airbase to Hotan ~560km, around 280 km in enemy territory. PGM's can shorten the distance our aircraft have to ingress in hostile territory.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 18 Aug 2017 12:02

as of now KH59 from su30 is our only standoff weapon at that combat radius , and one more is Mirage2000 with external fuel tanks and Popeye. we lack a useful arm since the KH31P are really old and Matra Armat on m2k may be EOL.

air launch Brahmos is yet to IOC, 1st live fire was supposed to be in july.
NGARM not even captive trials have started yet.

after the Nuclear attack on Bhutan, Ahuja sir took down Hotan and one more base in that region with N-tipped Agni1

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby rkhanna » 19 Aug 2017 13:20

With New Satellite, China Leads the World in Quantum Entanglement


https://www.inverse.com/article/34094-q ... ion-micius

China has sent an "unbreakable" code from a satellite to the Earth, marking the first time space-to-ground quantum key distribution technology has been realized, state media said on Thursday.

China launched the world's first quantum satellite last August, to help establish "hack proof" communications, a development the Pentagon has called a "notable advance".


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