China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 09 Jun 2018 19:24

for Chola sir - duel to the finish between a pack of Tejas scrambling off dispersed bases "somewhere in eastern sector" and a multi-regiment attack force of J20 escorted by J11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Dz05rY5UY

ps. watch the original BoB movie its good.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 09 Jun 2018 19:45

Austin wrote:https://www.fifthdomain.com/cyber/2018/06/08/chinese-hackers-steal-sensitive-navy-program-data/

The information stolen was stored on the contractor’s unclassified network despite being “highly sensitive nature,” according to information obtained by the Washington Post.

According to the report, 614 gigabytes of material on a closely held project known as Sea Dragon were taken. Contracted for the military organization Naval Undersea Warfare Center, Sea Dragon aims to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines.


The spying by Chinese during Obama Era was so rampant and wide that the joke was Obama was giving Chinese all the technology it wants under the table in guise of spying :rotfl:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 13 Jun 2018 19:13

@Singha, that was inspiring. Though Germany is as far away from Cheen as possible. The former is among the greatest TFTA warrior races if not the greatest, the latter builds a lot of stuff but eats lots of rice and mainly shopkeeps, typical SRE.

Bollywood is number ONE in China’s box office this weekend.

This is one invasion that’s successful (though I prefer a military at Doklam.)

AKumar’s toilet film beats the sh1t out of Hollywood’s superhero Avengers flick AND Jean-Claude van Damme!

https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/akshay-kumars-toilet-ek-prem-katha-tops-opening-weekend-in-china-box-office-earns-rs-61-1-cr-in-three-days-4504879.html/amp

Akshay Kumar's Toilet: Ek Prem Katha tops opening weekend in China box-office; earns Rs 61.1 cr in three days

Akshay Kumar's satirical comedy-drama Toilet: Ek Prem Katha (TEPK), which landed in mainland screens on 8 June, has topped the opening weekend in China box-office with a cumulative three-day gross of $9.05 million (Rs 61.1 crore), holding off competition from Disney/Marvel's blockbuster Avengers: Infinity War, the local smash hit How Long Will I Love U and Jean-Claude Van Damme's action thriller Black Water.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 13 Jun 2018 20:53

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 7826679810 ---> China is cranking out destroyers - 19 DDGs in six years, or an average of just over three a year. We can barely produce 1 in 3 yrs.

This Is What a Real Naval Buildup Looks Like
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -build-up/

Type 055 destroyer at launching ceremony, 2017

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jun 2018 06:24

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 2737409025 ---> Helmet Mounted Display for pilots of the PLAAF's J-20 fighter.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Jun 2018 09:20

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1005011107826679810 ---> China is cranking out destroyers - 19 DDGs in six years, or an average of just over three a year. We can barely produce 1 in 3 yrs.

This Is What a Real Naval Buildup Looks Like
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -build-up/

Type 055 destroyer at launching ceremony, 2017

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The US Navy said there is no way for anyone to properly train and crew that many destroyers in such a short span of time. So we know their strategy is not better warfighters during combat but greater numbers during peace.

But it won’t hurt them if they don’t have to fight. And in peace time they pay for themselves by providing persistent presence in bodies of water that Cheen wants to create fait accompli.

It is not just destroyers. Their frigate and corvette program are even more insane.

Janes reports their 41st Type 056 corvette to enter service since 2012:
http://www.janes.com/article/80806/image-suggests-china-s-41st-type-056-corvette-may-have-entered-service

And this is their 30th Type 054A frigate since 2008:
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For comparison, since 2007 we’ve added 6 Saryu OPVs, 4 Kamorta corvettes and three Talwars frigates. If you’re not keeping count, it’s 71 frigates and corvettes for them to 13 for us over the past decade (and the Saryus are very lightly armed compared to a chini corvette so it is even worse than the numbers.)

The chinis find a design they like and they productionize the sh1t out of it. They not only have more money but they take advantage of long production runs to reduce per unit cost.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 15 Jun 2018 02:25

Is it a true mathematical build up or also the new builds also replacing a lot of retiring stuff.
Does our build programme meet our needs ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby RoyG » 15 Jun 2018 04:13

Khalsa wrote:Is it a true mathematical build up or also the new builds also replacing a lot of retiring stuff.
Does our build programme meet our needs ?


no

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Nikhil T » 15 Jun 2018 05:57

chola wrote:The US Navy said there is no way for anyone to properly train and crew that many destroyers in such a short span of time. So we know their strategy is not better warfighters during combat but greater numbers during peace.

But it won’t hurt them if they don’t have to fight. And in peace time they pay for themselves by providing persistent presence in bodies of water that Cheen wants to create fait accompli.

It is not just destroyers. Their frigate and corvette program are even more insane.

Janes reports their 41st Type 056 corvette to enter service since 2012:
http://www.janes.com/article/80806/image-suggests-china-s-41st-type-056-corvette-may-have-entered-service

And this is their 30th Type 054A frigate since 2008:

For comparison, since 2007 we’ve added 6 Saryu OPVs, 4 Kamorta corvettes and three Talwars frigates. If you’re not keeping count, it’s 71 frigates and corvettes for them to 13 for us over the past decade (and the Saryus are very lightly armed compared to a chini corvette so it is even worse than the numbers.)

The chinis find a design they like and they productionize the sh1t out of it. They not only have more money but they take advantage of long production runs to reduce per unit cost.


It's okay guys. HAL is aiming to produce a Tejas IOC every 9 months.

More seriously, we should stop comparing ourselves to China. They have 5X larger economy and 3.5X larger defence budget. We should focus on building the right alliances, not matching their ship building pace (since that's not an option).

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 15 Jun 2018 09:05

yeah lets avoid this d1ck comparative exercise.
its pakistan's perrrogative to do that.

however all said and done. Kudos to the chinese for producing at an effecient rate that suits their requirements and tempo.
At the least and most, I clap and wish them well on their continued success.


However I still laugh when they begin with

My best friends are
"North Korea, Pakistan ... and Maldives"

Yeah well done.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 15 Jun 2018 09:54

Ok no more d1ck measuring with ships. I’ll move onto comparing the size of balls with aircraft . . .

But you know, if Cheen had stayed Maoist and shitpoor like they were in the 1970s then we would have been happy being shitpoor along with them. When they took off in the 1980s they took us with them to be perfectly honest. We were content to play second best to goras but to some chinkies? No way.

Some comparison is always good. The chinis do the same with the Americans, the Japanese, the Koreans
and the Taiwanese. Those are the people that drive them. They in turn can drive us.

Hell of a lot better rival with the PRC than Pakiland. I embrace them as a challenge.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 18 Jun 2018 06:09

chola wrote:Ok no more d1ck measuring with ships. I’ll move onto comparing the size of balls with aircraft . . .

But you know, if Cheen had stayed Maoist and shitpoor like they were in the 1970s then we would have been happy being shitpoor along with them. When they took off in the 1980s they took us with them to be perfectly honest. We were content to play second best to goras but to some chinkies? No way.

Some comparison is always good. The chinis do the same with the Americans, the Japanese, the Koreans
and the Taiwanese. Those are the people that drive them. They in turn can drive us.

Hell of a lot better rival with the PRC than Pakiland. I embrace them as a challenge.


Sometimes I wonder if conflict between nations is a darwinian urge to spur on your neighbour to greater heights.

It prevents them from slacking off.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 18 Jun 2018 06:23

What info is there on plan naval sailor training and command officer schools? Not as visible but vital asset

They might be quietly supersizing on that too

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby dinesha » 19 Jun 2018 12:43

China’s new aircraft carrier is in for repairs — and its project manager faces corruption charges
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... ews.com.au

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 19 Jun 2018 13:08

State media has quoted military experts as saying China plans to build at least six carriers.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby anupmisra » 19 Jun 2018 16:26

dinesha wrote:China’s new aircraft carrier is in for repairs — and its project manager faces corruption charges
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... ews.com.au



The ACC returned to dock in five days. From the article: "Chinese state media declared it had completed ‘all of its assigned tasks’.".

What was it's main assigned task? Check if it floats?

Chinese are all about optics, no substance.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby anupmisra » 19 Jun 2018 16:30

Singha wrote:State media has quoted military experts as saying China plans to build at least six carriers.


Sure. Then, they too will have seven or eight fleets. To match the US, of course. But first they must make sure that the carriers float.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 19 Jun 2018 18:46

massa can manage, but can we?

because when the day of the dawg dawns on us brother, none will turn up to help.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 19 Jun 2018 20:01

chola wrote:Ok no more d1ck measuring with ships. I’ll move onto comparing the size of balls with aircraft . . .

But you know, if Cheen had stayed Maoist and shitpoor like they were in the 1970s then we would have been happy being shitpoor along with them. When they took off in the 1980s they took us with them to be perfectly honest. We were content to play second best to goras but to some chinkies? No way.

Some comparison is always good. The chinis do the same with the Americans, the Japanese, the Koreans
and the Taiwanese. Those are the people that drive them. They in turn can drive us.

Hell of a lot better rival with the PRC than Pakiland. I embrace them as a challenge.


+1 . well said

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 20 Jun 2018 00:38

anupmisra wrote:
dinesha wrote:China’s new aircraft carrier is in for repairs — and its project manager faces corruption charges
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... ews.com.au



The ACC returned to dock in five days. From the article: "Chinese state media declared it had completed ‘all of its assigned tasks’.".

What was it's main assigned task? Check if it floats?

Chinese are all about optics, no substance.


Eh, we always say that and then a few years later they are floating the stupid thing in the IOR.

Their stuff are at the very least functional and in numbers so they can salami slice. And unless we go to war, we can’t take advantage of quality and crew training.

The chinis have perfected SRE (Short Rice Eaters) strategy against TFTA Amreekis and Samurais. Build shitloads and avoid actual fighting.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby DavidD » 21 Jun 2018 07:45

Pretty sure the 1st carrier returned to dry dock after a few days of first trial as well.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 21 Jun 2018 07:48

Singha wrote:massa can manage, but can we?

because when the day of the dawg dawns on us brother, none will turn up to help.

Of course....with the 65,000 ton, EMALS equipped and nuclear powered Vishaal....that vessel alone will give the Chinese shivers!!! Remember, after all it is coming with the super-duper F-18 Super Hornet that will scare the Chinese away :roll:

Not directed at you Saar, but the few on here who wanted the above.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 21 Jun 2018 09:45

Oh come on , you did like my idea of the F-18 for about 2 minutes.
but jokes aside I was looking at structure of air wings on board aircraft carriers.

Vishaal must become a reality.
EMALS comes first before a nuclear powered carrier, IMHO.

I would move the Mig-29s over to Vikrant and Vishaal and Vikramaditya becomes the nesting ground for LCA Mk2 Navy.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 21 Jun 2018 10:31

chola wrote:
anupmisra wrote:

The ACC returned to dock in five days. From the article: "Chinese state media declared it had completed ‘all of its assigned tasks’.".

What was it's main assigned task? Check if it floats?

Chinese are all about optics, no substance.


Eh, we always say that and then a few years later they are floating the stupid thing in the IOR.

Their stuff are at the very least functional and in numbers so they can salami slice. And unless we go to war, we can’t take advantage of quality and crew training.

The chinis have perfected SRE (Short Rice Eaters) strategy against TFTA Amreekis and Samurais. Build shitloads and avoid actual fighting.


Or Xi is going to be like Stalin of thee 1930's, then a facade will be prepared and everyone going to try and show things work even when they do not.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 21 Jun 2018 17:21

Aditya_V wrote:
chola wrote:
Eh, we always say that and then a few years later they are floating the stupid thing in the IOR.

Their stuff are at the very least functional and in numbers so they can salami slice. And unless we go to war, we can’t take advantage of quality and crew training.

The chinis have perfected SRE (Short Rice Eaters) strategy against TFTA Amreekis and Samurais. Build shitloads and avoid actual fighting.


Or Xi is going to be like Stalin of thee 1930's, then a facade will be prepared and everyone going to try and show things work even when they do not.


We can only hope. But salami slicing in the Indo-cheen Sea or infiltration of IOR on “pirate patrols” cannot occur if those ships are not only functional but functional in great numbers. If they were Potempkin facades tied up to berths in the PRC then we’d have no problem.

Cheen is a mercantile power and the world’s top trading state. You can’t become the top trading state by selling things that are not at least functional.

Their quality could be horrible especially against the stuff from the TFTAs but you can’t take advantage of that fact unless you actually go to war with them. Cheen had assiduously avoided war in the past four decades even as it expanded its jurisdiction over a massive body of water in the SCS and pushed its flag and naval presence all the way to Djibouti.

They gave us an excuse to fight and expose them at Doklam but alas we are Short Rice Eaters also.

As I said, chinis have perfected the non-warrior Short Rice Eaters strategy against TFTA warrior race types. This strategy will continue until someone is willing to be a “bad” guy by initiating war.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 21 Jun 2018 18:07

Khalsa wrote:Oh come on , you did like my idea of the F-18 for about 2 minutes.
but jokes aside I was looking at structure of air wings on board aircraft carriers.

Vishaal must become a reality.
EMALS comes first before a nuclear powered carrier, IMHO.

I would move the Mig-29s over to Vikrant and Vishaal and Vikramaditya becomes the nesting ground for LCA Mk2 Navy.

Khalsa-ji, it was not at you. I respect you a lot Saar! :)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 21 Jun 2018 18:32

Rakesh wrote:
Khalsa wrote:Oh come on , you did like my idea of the F-18 for about 2 minutes.
but jokes aside I was looking at structure of air wings on board aircraft carriers.

Vishaal must become a reality.
EMALS comes first before a nuclear powered carrier, IMHO.

I would move the Mig-29s over to Vikrant and Vishaal and Vikramaditya becomes the nesting ground for LCA Mk2 Navy.

Khalsa-ji, it was not at you. I respect you a lot Saar! :)



Obviously, I am the less respected 65K ton carrier/Amreeki Teens fetisher!

The 65K ton carrier needs not be nook nor EMALS just 65K tons and CATOBAR.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby dinesha » 21 Jun 2018 19:56

DF-16 Firing exercise - 7 PLARF personnel per missile
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 22 Jun 2018 03:14

chola wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Khalsa-ji, it was not at you. I respect you a lot Saar! :)



Obviously, I am the less respected 65K ton carrier/Amreeki Teens fetisher!

The 65K ton carrier needs not be nook nor EMALS just 65K tons and CATOBAR.



No way saar, we all respect the drive and energy you bring sir.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 22 Jun 2018 05:10

Chola, was not meant for you either. I should not have started this. My apologies to you both.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 22 Jun 2018 05:10

Good payback for the Chinese! Long deserved!!!

Disgraced manager at shipbuilding juggernaut allegedly ‘sold Chinese carrier intel to CIA’
http://www.atimes.com/article/disgraced ... el-to-cia/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 22 Jun 2018 06:29

Interesting Image from the link above posted by the good admiral.

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A new, colossal flattop that dwarfs the two existing carriers is seen in a photo released but later deleted by the state-owned shipbuilder CSIC.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 22 Jun 2018 08:54

well its kind of inevitable they would stabilize around a nuclear powered 80,000t size that permits a better sized airwing and proper catapults.
even USSR was working on such a design called Ulyanovsk class in nikolayev Ukraine.
Cheen would have purchased all such design data and any scientists still floating around from that area to speed things up.

if the Su33 with modified undercarriage can be catapult launched with a good payload would vastly improve the fleet air cover in the IOR.

atleast 3 would be sanctioned for sure.

also due to the ski jump the layout of the kuznetsov and sisters is not optimal, for the same size the QE2/PA2(proposed class) is nearly as wide as nimitz class and offers much better deck area and takeoff/landing length...better clearance for safety margin to parked craft near the stern.

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our vikrant is in the CDG class, a level below the real heavies and two levels below the "gold std" nimitz class++

if we want bigger carriers the QE2 design with catapults is good.

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Postby Singha » 22 Jun 2018 08:59

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ai ... _Ulyanovsk

there was some secret covered shipyard in nikolayev and some angled photos taken by KH sats perched 550km away aroused the usual spasms of howling from US intel analysts then to keep alive the russi bogey

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Manish_P » 22 Jun 2018 12:03

Singha wrote:Image


Why does Brazil need a carrier ? Ego purposes.. or to have a export oriented MIC

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 22 Jun 2018 12:12

For the same reason we operated Vikrant and Viraat , Fleet Air defence and Organic ASW support beyond any Ship based or land based asset can provide.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby dinesha » 22 Jun 2018 14:47

Despite Modi-Xi bonhomie, China moves into Arunachal Pradesh, builds new road and barracks
https://theprint.in/security/south-chin ... hal/73316/
The Tsari Chu valley in Arunachal Pradesh is another such area.

It is evident from satellite pictures that over the years the Chinese have moved at least 5 km into what should be Indian territory. They may have taken advantage of the remoteness of the area and the absence of Indian forces.

The Chinese PLA presence is now well established here. A new road that can be accessed by jeeps is being constructed, the river-bank is being improved and new construction post-Doklam, some of it underground, has been noticed.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 22 Jun 2018 18:51

Manish_P wrote:
Singha wrote:Image


Why does Brazil need a carrier ? Ego purposes.. or to have a export oriented MIC


Brazil do not operate the Sao Paulo (nee Foch) any more. They decommisioned the ship due to refit (the thing’s 55 years old) and operating expenses.

That said, the Brazilians had a proficient carrier arm up until the movement of decommissioning. They actually taught the chinis carrier operations on the Sao Paulo. Yes, you heard that right. Brazil trained China’s carrier crew. This was reported in US Naval Proceedings.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Manish_P » 22 Jun 2018 19:27

Austin wrote:For the same reason we operated Vikrant and Viraat , Fleet Air defence and Organic ASW support beyond any Ship based or land based asset can provide.


I am aware of the roles of an AC. I meant against which opponent did they require such a capital intensive weapons platform.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chetak » 23 Jun 2018 00:40

https://youtu.be/YrZF5nHUnLE

A decent discussion on the decoding of India -- china ties.



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