China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 10 Aug 2018 07:49

Singha wrote:3 large LPH ships under construction. will be useful for flag staff, sea control and ASW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_075_ ... opter_dock


Yah, these are one of the unverified “rumors” (meaning no pictures) that are probably going to happen.

Here are the five big ones that’ll emerge in the next years that will surprise no one in the chini watchers community:

https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/5-pla-navy-projects-to-watch-in-the-next-5-years/

5 major Chinese naval projects likely to emerge within the next five years

By Rick Joe
August 07, 2018


. . .

To be neat, this piece will consider five major naval projects likely to emerge and become confirmed within the next five years.

1: The 054B frigate
The ship is expected to feature improved sensors and a more stealthy external shape, with the inclusion of an integrated mast . . . The 054B is also thought to be the first class of warship in the PLA Navy to field an integrated electric propulsion system,

2: 075 LHD
The 075 is thought to have a full displacement less than 40,000 tons, perhaps around 36,000-38,000 tons . . . the largest non-U.S. LHD or LHA by a significant margin . . . it is thought that three 075s have been ordered by the PLA Navy, with initial work on the first two having commenced within the last year or more . . . Considering the timespan in which the rumors about the lead 075’s construction began to emerge, it is likely that photo confirmation of the lead 075 will be attained within the next year or so,

3: 003 CATOBAR carrier
it may take a year or so until photographic proof emerges that a carrier is indisputably under construction at JNCX . . . Most enticing is the recent rumor that a second . . . CATOBAR . . . carrier . . . may be in early stages of construction at Dalian shipyard as well,

4: 5th generation carrier-borne fighter
Two competing designs for the carrier-borne fifth generation fighter are known to be under development, one at Chengdu and one at Shenyang, with the Navy yet to decide on a design . . . Shenyang is thought to be offering an upsized carrier compatible variant of its FC-31 technology demonstrator, whereas it has been suggested Chengdu may be developing a smaller variant of J-20 or a brand new design,

5: Fixed wing carrier-borne AEW&C
As a fixed wing, propeller driven AEW&C platform like the E-2 family, it will have to be launched from catapults to achieve safe take off performance and a satisfactory mission profile; therefore the KJ/H-600 will only be adopted aboard Chinese CATOBAR carriers . . . An aircraft mock up consistent with the configuration of JZY-01 and the expected KJ/H-600 was first sighted aboard the carrier test facility at Wuhan in early 2017, all but confirming that such an aircraft is likely to emerge in the immediate future.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 10 Aug 2018 20:24

The Type 075 stuff got me into looking into this story I saw last month:

http://www.atimes.com/article/why-china-could-be-after-the-f-35b/amp/

Why China could be after the F-35B aircraft technology

The arrest, and release, of a British engineer has led to speculation about a stealth fighter that can do short take-offs and vertical landings

By STEPHEN BRYEN
JUNE 26, 2018 2:06 PM


When the British government ordered the arrest of Bryn Jones, 73, a former combustion technologist, it took place under the Official Secrets Act of the UK.

Jones was arrested at his home in Derbyshire, his home searched and computers and other items removed. A few hours after the arrest Jones, the former Chief Combustion Engineer for Rolls Royce, was released.

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Jones worked at Rolls Royce from 1968 to 2003, but since retiring from the company operated his own business, a consultancy called Kausis, and recently had been teaching advanced combustion theory in China at the Aeronautical University of Xi’an, known as XAAU.

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Xi’an is the home of the Xi’an Aircraft Industrial Corporation, which builds commercial and military aircraft, in the latter case primarily bombers.

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One can only speculate on what Beijing would want to learn from Jones outside of academic information on combustion technology. Speculation around the very public arrest focuses entirely on Britain’s new F-35B aircraft, the first four of which recently arrived in the UK.

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The F-35B is a vertical take off aircraft whose remarkable engine assembly can lift the 20-ton F-35B from a ship’s deck. The technology was developed by Rolls Royce based on a patented shaft-driven LiftFan® propulsion system and an engine that can swivel 90 degrees when in short take-off/vertical landing mode.

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China would surely be interested in this design for its emerging new stealth aircraft and for its aircraft carriers, one that is already in operation and another that is in sea trials. China is now building the Type 075 amphibious assault ship, a 40,000-ton vessel with a length of 820 feet, or 250 meters.



I don’t think the PRC is building three 38K tons LHAs just for helos. They will make a play for a STOVL. The question is whether they are successful. I think we will see a J-18 or something like that in the coming years as well.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 10 Aug 2018 21:13

China’s other mystery stealth bomber: Our analysis

https://hushkit.net/2018/04/14/chinas-o ... -analysis/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 04:13

Chini Type 96 breaks down in Tank Biathlon semi-finals! They had a wheel fall off in a previous Biathlon LoL



Though even with the breakdown they are going to the finals against the rooskies. But the video is hilarious.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Aug 2018 12:01

Again? This seems to be the old video

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 12:35

^^^ No, this is from this year. The chini Type 96 this year is in blue camo. The old one where the wheel came off was tan camo.

Not bringing up old stuff just to diss them. They still ended up second the year the wheel came off and they are in the finals again this year. But just pointing out that their stuff break down too.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 13:20

Is it me or the Chini tanks don't seem to have placeholder for ERA on the front of the hull? like the ones we find on our T-72/90 or Arjun?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 11 Aug 2018 17:21

Trying to eradicate them as a cultural group and turn them into brain dead drones.

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China holds million ethnic Uighurs in secret political camps

UN estimates that 2 million :eek: Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into political camps in Xinjiang.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 362471.cms

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 18:22

Neshant wrote:Trying to eradicate them as a cultural group and turn them into brain dead drones.

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China holds million ethnic Uighurs in secret political camps

UN estimates that 2 million :eek: Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into political camps in Xinjiang.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 362471.cms


Now, I can say I condemn them for this and say thank goodness that India would never do this.

But that would be a lie. Sometimes I wish we could do this before we are overrun in Assam and East Bengal and across much of the border with Beedee.

Sometimes I wish we could deal with the Kashmiris in the same fashion. To be perfectly honest.

One thing we found out from the Burmese and Cheen is that yellows do not accord the same tolerance of muzzie intolerance as we do.

So we will never do this and perhaps it is a good thing?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 20:22

We should be printing posters about this and paste them in Pakland and wait for the holy war to start.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby pankajs » 12 Aug 2018 14:41

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... ghter-jets
China’s air force quietly adds new J-16 fighter jets to ‘push the envelope’

China’s air force announced last week that a squadron of J-16s would soon be combat ready. Based on the Russian Sukhoi-30 fighter jet, the J-16 was introduced around 2012 to 2013 but did not make its official debut until a year ago, during a military parade marking the 90th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army. Powered by a Chinese WS-10 Taihang turbofan engine, the fighter jet has been compared to the US F-15A/C Eagle.

Military observers say they have noticed more J-16s entering service recently, based on the serial numbers seen on fighter jets used in recent drills – evidence that the PLA Air Force is quietly adding to its squadron.

The multirole aircraft is the first of its kind that can carry a full range of Chinese-built equipment, from anti-ship missiles and air-to-air missiles to satellite-guided smart bombs, cruise missiles and electronic countermeasure (ECM) jammers. The fighter jets can be used for both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.

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“The J-16 will at least fulfil a role as a key stopgap before the J-20 and J-31 [stealth fighters] can be produced in sufficient numbers. These two new-generation jets would be too expensive to mass produce in the necessary numbers required to fully modernise the PLA Air Force’s combat fleet. Hence, the J-16 is crucial to bridge this gap,” he said.

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“The J-16 would play an important role in a campaign against Taiwan or in deterring the US Navy from intervening,” Ni said, but added the J-16’s weak engine design would restrict its attacking ability.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 12 Aug 2018 16:53

weak engines can be replaced with better ones later, whats important is they have a full spectrum capable plane in production and flying .. now

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 13 Aug 2018 00:09

kit wrote:weak engines can be replaced with better ones later, whats important is they have a full spectrum capable plane in production and flying .. now


They also have a history of sticking it out with indigenous programs no matter the weaknesses.

The WS-10 irregardless of how much it sucks is theirs and they are determined to make it usable, one iteration at a time.

According to French chini watcher Henri Kenhmann, the WS-10 “C” variant has now been qualified for the J-20 which will now be the “A” variant. WS-10C on J-20A.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1028651753820975111

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Aug 2018 09:32

From Aviadarts 2018:

JH-7A crew among those happy with “Number 1” placards in strike contest. Opponents included the SU-34 and SU-24.
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J-10A crew less enthusiastic about “Number 2” award after loss to SU-35 in fighters event.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Aug 2018 10:16

Looking at the Pics, Can that refueling pod welded in at that angle on the J-10A put with high G forces, looks more like psy-ops here than genuine comptetion. and the J10A rear wheels are much shorter than its front wheels, almost like WWII aircraft. Looks like it need the angle to help generate extra lift for take off.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Aug 2018 23:13

^^^ Kind of hard to get buy-in from the Russkies on being the willing patsies for some chini psyops. Gori pride would not allow them to be second to yellows willingly. They were beaten fair and square, IMHO.

We should have been there to confirm.

And to collect intelligence.

And to give a healthy beating to both russkies and chinis.

2017 Aviadarts results.
http://alert5.com/2017/08/10/china-is-overall-champion-for-aviadarts-2017-su-35-beats-j-10b/
The Chinese team’s JH-7A, JZ-8DF, H-6K, Z-10K came in first in their own categories. Russia beat China in the fighter category with the Su-35. The Su-25CM, Il-76M and Mi-8 are the other Russian winners.


Still looking for results from this year. All I know so far is JH-7A won (again), SU-35 won (again) over the J-10 (this time the A variant.)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Aug 2018 18:05

Russia takes first place in Aviadarts military pilots’ contest at Army-2017 Games

And these are about 2017 excercises

Our team has taken the first place in the contest. It was a hot contest. Chinese pilots demonstrated their best but our pilots have no peers," he said, adding that Chinese pilots won as many prizes as Russian pilots in the team medal standing, so the Aviadarts winner cups were awarded to the captains of both teams.


this smells all about Russians trying to keep selling to the Chinese, the world was and still fooled with "reverse Engineering".

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 15 Aug 2018 21:29

Aditya_V wrote:Russia takes first place in Aviadarts military pilots’ contest at Army-2017 Games

And these are about 2017 excercises

Our team has taken the first place in the contest. It was a hot contest. Chinese pilots demonstrated their best but our pilots have no peers," he said, adding that Chinese pilots won as many prizes as Russian pilots in the team medal standing, so the Aviadarts winner cups were awarded to the captains of both teams.


this smells all about Russians trying to keep selling to the Chinese, the world was and still fooled with "reverse Engineering".


Aditya ji, the chinis use reverse engineering as a positive term for self-reliance. We use the term as a negative slur synonomous to copying when we apply it to the chinis or even ourselves, which I think is foolish because being gentleman gains you nothing in national security.

But the truth of the matter is you can’t “copy” something like the SU-27 (or the Dauphin or Super Frelon for that matter.) As I written before the last RE’able combination for fighters is MiG-21/R-25 or F-5/J-85 from the 1960s. All of the chini Flankers come from the line at SAC which received TOT from Russia.

Again, as I written before, the great force behind the chini mil aircraft industry is not RE but smartly negotiated TOT contracts that allowed them to make as many and in as many types as they want. This is not only seen in the myriad Flankers variants but in the Dauphin and Super Frelon ones.

Regarding Aviadarts, of course the Russkies want to sell to the chinis. The Russkies have every incentive to prove that their equipment is superior and pound the chinis into the ground in order to win PLAAF orders over Chinese products.

Notice the PRC doesn’t bring the J-11B or J-16 to Aviadarts but J-10A/B and JH-7A as their fighter and strike aircraft. They are testing their own stuff against the Russkies not the TOT sino-flankers. They are definitely benefiting from this. It would benefit us too to see how the MKI or Bison do against the chini planes. We give up little intelligence because the PRC knows about Flankers and MiG-21s anyways.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 16 Aug 2018 12:43

US P8-Poseidon patrolling the Mischief Reef in the South China Sea.

Note the difference in the way they warn American aircraft and Filipino aircraft in the region.

The power of America's danda keeps them polite (for now).


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 16 Aug 2018 18:32

I am crossposting this from an Amreeki mil forum. I was surprised that it is so dire. The AI swarms of the future could only come from Cheen if the trade war cuts US drone makers from chini eco-system.

Cheen dominates the global supply chain from the frames all the way down to the motors and batteries.

The insane part is this is mainly in the hands of the chini private sector not PRC government — yet.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/business/the-uas-uav-race-china-beating-the/2R5gnyZZDrvWs6NkKcdB0L/

One concern: China is well ahead of the United States in the production of unmanned aerial vehicles and in building a supply chain of components for those vehicles, including motors.

“I think it’s a strategic challenge, actually,” said Frank Beafore, executive director at SelectTech Geospatial, a Springfield company that builds unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for customers civilian and military.

Most quality builders of UAS vehicles are found in China, Beafore told the forum. The lack of American builders of UAV motors is a particular concern, he said.

“I’m here to tell you that I think some of the best motors on unmanned aircraft come out of China,” he said. “I know of only one American manufacturer, that’s Neu Motors out in California.”

“It’s all about ROI (return on investment),” he said. “It’s not an easy answer. I pick motors. But it’s a lot broader than that. Think about batteries, the lithium-ion batteries in your phone. The largest manufacturer of lithium-ion batteries is again, China.”

The U.S. market is growing, however. There are about 110,000 commercial UAVs flying in the U.S. today and there are expected to be around 600,000 early in the 2020s, said Tim Sweeney, JobsOhio director of advanced manufacturing, aerospace and aviation, citing Federal Aviation Administration numbers.

Today, the global market stands at more than $88 billion, he said.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 16 Aug 2018 18:42

Cough cough saar other than dji of cheen and parrot of france most of the top15 are american

You think america japan soko and taiwan cannot make mountains of the motors and gymbals these drones use ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 16 Aug 2018 19:04

Singha wrote:Cough cough saar other than dji of cheen and parrot of france most of the top15 are american

You think america japan soko and taiwan cannot make mountains of the motors and gymbals these drones use ?


Yes, but the components for the Amreeki firms come from Cheen which is what the US dronemakers in the article are saying.

Ah, but Japan, SoKo and Taiwan are who created this eco-system in Cheen and now depend on it too.

This whole discussion started when the US DOD banned DJI from its armed forces. DJI supplied practically 100% of the unmanned aerial vehicles smaller than the General Atomics Predator at that point.

But you could be right and it is just another Pentagon sob story to get more funding from Congress. Dhoti shivering in regards to Cheen is even more prevalent in the USA than Bharat.

The difference onlee is the US mil budget is already four times that of Cheen’s.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 16 Aug 2018 23:11

its a sob story. DJI type stuff do not use anything that china has a lock on. india also makes much higher components for things like isro or drdo albeit not in the millions like DJI ecosystem.

cheen did try the rare earth monopoly trick. did not work. searching led to rare earth deposits elsewhere.
https://www.sciencealert.com/japan-just ... h-minerals
A new finding that could change the global economy

The newly discovered deposit is enough to "supply these metals on a semi-infinite basis to the world," the study's authors wrote in the paper.

There's enough yttrium to meet the global demand for 780 years, dysprosium for 730 years, europium for 620 years, and terbium for 420 years.

The cache lies off of Minamitori Island, about 1,150 miles (1,850 km) southeast of Tokyo. It's within Japan's exclusive economic zone, so the island nation has the sole rights to the resources there.

"This is a game changer for Japan," Jack Lifton, a founding principal of a market-research firm called Technology Metals Research, told The Wall Street Journal.

"The race to develop these resources is well underway."

Japan started seeking its own rare-earth mineral deposits after China withheld shipments of the substances amid a dispute over islands that both countries claim as their own, Reuters reported in 2014.

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until china produces somethings like global hawk, LEAPx, snapdragon-mki , ....things which are at leading edge, its leverage will be limited vs the khan ecosystem (which also includes france,uk,israel,germany,italy,soko,japan,taiwan,canada,swiss,dutch...all the worlds advanced economies freely selling IP to each other). we too are plugged into the khan system and do not rely on cheen for anything as single source.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 16 Aug 2018 23:44

until china produces somethings like global hawk, LEAPx, snapdragon-mki , ....things which are at leading edge, its leverage will be limited vs the khan ecosystem (which also includes france,uk,israel,germany,italy,soko,japan,taiwan,canada,swiss,dutch...all the worlds advanced economies freely selling IP to each other). we too are plugged into the khan system and do not rely on cheen for anything as single source.


Mostly agree Singhaji, except unlike the USSR those countries in that list — especially France, Israel, Germany, Soko, Japan, Taiwan — are part and parcel of the chini trade system too.

The trade war is going to force those nations to chose sides. Right now, Toyota is preparing to ramp up production in Cheen with the view that GM and Ford will have to give up their share of the chini market.

The same goes for Samsung in regards to chips.

Unless the US reigns in its allies, the end result is as not clear cut as it was with the USSR.

On Wall Street, we recall two instances where we were on the cusp of dominating Cheen strategic heights but pulled the trigger too soon on these trade wars. LM was going to dominate China’s satellite market just as they were about to boom but the Clinton administration’s embargo made sure that the chini went domestic. The same thing happened when Obama began embargoing high level chips to chini supercomputer programs which again forced Cheen to go domestic.

It would have been far better to have made big money selling to Cheen AND kept them dependent on US technology. But the view from Washington is always different from that on Wall Street. Mainly because Wall Street does not have to face American technology on the other side of a possible battlefield.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby anupmisra » 17 Aug 2018 01:35

A Chinese Boeing 737 has crash landed at Manila International Airport

Xiamen Airlines Flight MF8667 has crash landed at Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport in the Philippines.
According to the Chinese news agency CTGN, the Xiamen Airlines Boeing 737-800 skidded off the runway during landing, causing one of the plane's engines to detach from the wing.


https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... nes-2018-8

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 17 Aug 2018 03:27

https://www.janes.com/article/82366/china-closing-the-satellite-imagery-capability-gap

A Chinese Earth-observation satellite launched on 31 July from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Centre may be capable of achieving ground-image resolution of 10 cm or less. If confirmed, this would give China a satellite-imaging capability second only to the United States and possibly comparable to the maximum resolution provided by US imaging satellites.


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Postby anupmisra » 17 Aug 2018 07:10

Pentagon says China military 'likely training for strikes' on U.S. targets

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China’s military has expanded its bomber operations in recent years while “likely training for strikes” against the United States and its allies, a Pentagon report released on Thursday said.
“Over the last three years, the PLA has rapidly expanded its overwater bomber operating areas, gaining experience in critical maritime regions and likely training for strikes against U.S. and allied targets,” the report said, using an acronym for China’s People’s Liberation Army.
The report said that while the PLA had continued to extend operations, it was not clear what message Beijing was seeking to send by carrying out the flights “beyond a demonstration of improved capabilities.”
The Pentagon report also said China’s space program was progressing rapidly. “The PLA continues to strengthen its military space capabilities despite its public stance against the militarization of space,” it said.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1L12MC

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 17 Aug 2018 08:15

^^^ Right on cue for our discussion. lol

We’re going to see a $1Trillion US defense budget pretty soon with those kinds of dhoti shivering reports in Washington.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 17 Aug 2018 13:05

Pentagon Releases 2018 China Military Report—U.S. Government’s Most Extensive Public Coverage Yet of China’s Maritime Militia

http://www.andrewerickson.com/2018/08/p ... e-militia/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 17 Aug 2018 14:11

We do need a thread on how far the Americans will push the envelope vs China, their likely options ...crucial importance to India.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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kit wrote:https://www.janes.com/article/82366/china-closing-the-satellite-imagery-capability-gap

A Chinese Earth-observation satellite launched on 31 July from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Centre may be capable of achieving ground-image resolution of 10 cm or less. If confirmed, this would give China a satellite-imaging capability second only to the United States and possibly comparable to the maximum resolution provided by US imaging satellites.


GF-11: How do you say KENNEN in Chinese?
https://satelliteobservation.net/2018/0 ... n-chinese/
So China seems to have accomplished a great leap forward in space optics. As GF-11 is positioned on a 470km circular 247x693km elliptical orbit, a 1.7m mirror would give it a ground resolution of 8 to 10cm at perigee, at around 10AM local solar time and at 20°N, right over India and the South China Sea.

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Postby sum » 18 Aug 2018 03:10

dinesha wrote:
kit wrote:https://www.janes.com/article/82366/china-closing-the-satellite-imagery-capability-gap

A Chinese Earth-observation satellite launched on 31 July from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Centre may be capable of achieving ground-image resolution of 10 cm or less. If confirmed, this would give China a satellite-imaging capability second only to the United States and possibly comparable to the maximum resolution provided by US imaging satellites.


GF-11: How do you say KENNEN in Chinese?
https://satelliteobservation.net/2018/0 ... n-chinese/
So China seems to have accomplished a great leap forward in space optics. As GF-11 is positioned on a 470km circular 247x693km elliptical orbit, a 1.7m mirror would give it a ground resolution of 8 to 10cm at perigee, at around 10AM local solar time and at 20°N, right over India and the South China Sea.

Basically Pak now has literal real time image access of 10 cm resolution now

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby rkhanna » 18 Aug 2018 12:42

A CIA double agent and bad software led to China executing as many as 30 American intelligence assets

https://thenewsrep.com/107248/a-cia-dou ... ce-assets/

"The breach, it turns out, began with the covert digital platform officers used to communicate with assets. Traditionally speaking, two systems are employed in such circumstances: one used through the development of an asset, while the case officer vets and assesses them, and a second communications platform kept entirely independent from the first. This separation of communications systems is intended to keep the greater network of vetted assets and agents insulated from potential security risks brought about through the development of new informants. However, it now appears that the systems being employed in China in 2010 were not only interconnected but actually even had direct connections to the CIA’s own website. Once Chinese officials gained access to the platform, they were able to quickly identify multiple other assets throughout their nation and rapidly take them into custody."

"However, that significant breach of security does not account for everyone killed by the Chinese during the two-year span of time. Instead, it seems likely that Chinese intelligence officers used the network identified through the communications platform to identify working assets and agents, then followed them to identify others that were not a part of the system breach. It remains unclear how Chinese authorities gained access to the system, though it could potentially have happened in a number of ways"

"There’s a high likelihood a former CIA officer named Jerry Chun Shing Lee aided the Chinese in gaining access. He was indicted on espionage charges earlier this year after it was revealed that he had accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of payments from the Chinese government, however, the CIA’s use of a communications platform originally designed for operations in the Middle East shares some of the blame. As compared to China, the Middle East is not a heavily contested digital environment. China’s strict control over its own population, particularly in the digital sphere, makes the use of such a system a questionable decision at best."

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby sum » 18 Aug 2018 14:10

Wow. Seems like Amrika's IK Gujral moment with literally all assets being wiped out.

Given the sheer lack of HUMINT within China for most nations, loosing 30 of them is extraordinary


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