China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby VikramA » 02 Oct 2019 09:37

PLA troops now have QR codes besides their name. whats that about? link:https://twitter.com/iammarkobabic/status/1178889658157195276

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby tandav » 02 Oct 2019 12:52

AdityaM wrote:China's High-Speed Drone Is Rocket-Powered And All About Doing What Satellites Can't

Some amazing pics at https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/11790 ... 20384?s=21

What is the 2 man open roof helicopter like thing. Also any idea about the bulky torpedo like weapon

(Don’t know how to post twitter pics)


The 2 man helicopter thing is an autogyro. Very interesting flying machine, I had asked why it is not popular to aero geeks and the answer is it neither has the hovering ability of a heli nor the efficiency of a fixed wing. However its main advantage is that it is safer and easier to fly than both helis and fixed wing and does not need high amounts of training
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Bart S » 02 Oct 2019 13:05

Watch the recording of Jaishankar ji's CSIS interaction. One of the questions was from a Chinese reporter asking specifically what he thought of the parade, and his answer was dismissive in a subtle and sophisticated way that would really have caused Chinese butthurt. Basically the entire room laughed at it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 02 Oct 2019 14:28

The chit that interest me.

DF-17 HGV/Carrier
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New Hypersonic Delivery vehicle/Target drone?
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More X-47- and Reaper-type UAVs
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Unmanned submersible
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Z-20 CopyHawk (it is supposed to be their new high altitude helo, we might see it in numbers along border; photobombed by J-20)
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 02 Oct 2019 14:48

One more that I found interesting, the H-6N. It has a recessed belly cavity supposedly for a ballistic missile and pylons for AShMs/LACMs.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 02 Oct 2019 19:26

Bart S wrote:Watch the recording of Jaishankar ji's CSIS interaction. One of the questions was from a Chinese reporter asking specifically what he thought of the parade, and his answer was dismissive in a subtle and sophisticated way that would really have caused Chinese butthurt. Basically the entire room laughed at it.

what did he say?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Bart S » 02 Oct 2019 20:34

ArjunPandit wrote:
Bart S wrote:Watch the recording of Jaishankar ji's CSIS interaction. One of the questions was from a Chinese reporter asking specifically what he thought of the parade, and his answer was dismissive in a subtle and sophisticated way that would really have caused Chinese butthurt. Basically the entire room laughed at it.

what did he say?


You will have to look it up,I don’t recall the exact words and it would not do it justice to paraphrase. It is during the last 5-10 mins of the video.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby LakshmanPST » 03 Oct 2019 18:25

ArjunPandit wrote:
Bart S wrote:Watch the recording of Jaishankar ji's CSIS interaction. One of the questions was from a Chinese reporter asking specifically what he thought of the parade, and his answer was dismissive in a subtle and sophisticated way that would really have caused Chinese butthurt. Basically the entire room laughed at it.

what did he say?


https://youtu.be/k1NtMak0T_k

Question at 49:30
His Answer at 52:10

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rahul M » 03 Oct 2019 23:07

Thanks a lot.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Manish_P » 04 Oct 2019 12:05

How credible is this blog ?

China hacked Pentagon to ensure only incompetent officers get promoted

The United States has charged a senior officer in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with orchestrating decades of cyber attacks against US agencies intended to destroy the military talent management system from within.

“The Chinese basically built an algorithm to identify toxic leaders and hacked HR to put them on the fast track to becoming generals and admirals,” said an intelligence official familiar with the Chinese efforts. “It could take us years to recover from this.”

According to an FBI investigation, Sr. Col. Cha Buduo coordinated with the Chinese Ministry of State Security and a Chinese-based hacking group known as APT4 to attack U.S. Army Human Resources Command, the Air Force Personnel Center, and U.S. Navy and Marine Corps human resource activities. Their objectives included encouraging the most talented junior officers to resign, preventing the promotion of officers with advanced degrees, selecting toxic leaders for senior commands and promoting the most egotistical and venal officers to the flag rank.


Others have pushed back on the FBI’s conclusions, however.

“I ran the numbers and I don’t see it,” said John Martinet, the chief of analysis at U.S. Army Human Resources Command.”The algorithm the Chinese built to promote toxic leaders doesn’t produce statistically different results from typical promotion Army promotion boards. :)

“The main difference is actually that the supposedly malicious code improves diversity outcomes. We might keep using it.” :D

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing denied that China is involved. In a statement, a spokesman called the US indictment “an absurd attempt to blame America’s inevitable decline on an imaginary enemy.” :lol:


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby hnair » 04 Oct 2019 13:29

That later version of H6 seem to be the inspiration of Prof Prodyut Das and his dreams of re-engined Canberras :D

Manish_P wrote:How credible is this blog ?

China hacked Pentagon to ensure only incompetent officers get promoted

The United States has charged a senior officer in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with orchestrating decades of cyber attacks against US agencies intended to destroy the military talent management system from within.


Wait, the surprise is that a government department inside a democratic country has a screwed up talent management system? Whatever the chinese did, would have inadvertently cleared up the existing morass of bad promotions.

(That blog does not seem to add up)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Manish_P wrote:How credible is this blog ?

China hacked Pentagon to ensure only incompetent officers get promoted

The United States has charged a senior officer in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with orchestrating decades of cyber attacks against US agencies intended to destroy the military talent management system from within.

“The Chinese basically built an algorithm to identify toxic leaders and hacked HR to put them on the fast track to becoming generals and admirals,” said an intelligence official familiar with the Chinese efforts. “It could take us years to recover from this.”

According to an FBI investigation, Sr. Col. Cha Buduo coordinated with the Chinese Ministry of State Security and a Chinese-based hacking group known as APT4 to attack U.S. Army Human Resources Command, the Air Force Personnel Center, and U.S. Navy and Marine Corps human resource activities. Their objectives included encouraging the most talented junior officers to resign, preventing the promotion of officers with advanced degrees, selecting toxic leaders for senior commands and promoting the most egotistical and venal officers to the flag rank.


Others have pushed back on the FBI’s conclusions, however.

“I ran the numbers and I don’t see it,” said John Martinet, the chief of analysis at U.S. Army Human Resources Command.”The algorithm the Chinese built to promote toxic leaders doesn’t produce statistically different results from typical promotion Army promotion boards. :)

“The main difference is actually that the supposedly malicious code improves diversity outcomes. We might keep using it.” :D

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing denied that China is involved. In a statement, a spokesman called the US indictment “an absurd attempt to blame America’s inevitable decline on an imaginary enemy.” :lol:




Who the hell on a military forum still falls for duffelblog. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Manish_P » 04 Oct 2019 17:37

Hence posted in the China Mil Watch thread :wink: :mrgreen:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 05 Oct 2019 06:46

LakshmanPST wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:what did he say?


https://youtu.be/k1NtMak0T_k

Question at 49:30
His Answer at 52:10



"I'm parade person. I watched a lot of parades. My father organized parades." The whole room laughed.

LOL

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 05 Oct 2019 06:47

hnair wrote:That later version of H6 seem to be the inspiration of Prof Prodyut Das and his dreams of re-engined Canberras :D


LOL.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 05 Oct 2019 06:50

Manish_P wrote:How credible is this blog ?

China hacked Pentagon to ensure only incompetent officers get promoted

The United States has charged a senior officer in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with orchestrating decades of cyber attacks against US agencies intended to destroy the military talent management system from within.

“The Chinese basically built an algorithm to identify toxic leaders and hacked HR to put them on the fast track to becoming generals and admirals,” said an intelligence official familiar with the Chinese efforts. “It could take us years to recover from this.”

According to an FBI investigation, Sr. Col. Cha Buduo coordinated with the Chinese Ministry of State Security and a Chinese-based hacking group known as APT4 to attack U.S. Army Human Resources Command, the Air Force Personnel Center, and U.S. Navy and Marine Corps human resource activities. Their objectives included encouraging the most talented junior officers to resign, preventing the promotion of officers with advanced degrees, selecting toxic leaders for senior commands and promoting the most egotistical and venal officers to the flag rank.


...

“The main difference is actually that the supposedly malicious code improves diversity outcomes. We might keep using it.” :D



Was that from the chinis or the Democrats?

LOL.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby YashG » 05 Oct 2019 08:38

Manish_P wrote:How credible is this blog ?

China hacked Pentagon to ensure only incompetent officers get promoted

The United States has charged a senior officer in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with orchestrating decades of cyber attacks against US agencies intended to destroy the military talent management system from within.

“The Chinese basically built an algorithm to identify toxic leaders and hacked HR to put them on the fast track to becoming generals and admirals,” said an intelligence official familiar with the Chinese efforts. “It could take us years to recover from this.”

According to an FBI investigation, Sr. Col. Cha Buduo :)
.........

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing denied that China is involved. In a statement, a spokesman called the US indictment “an absurd attempt to blame America’s inevitable decline on an imaginary enemy.” :lol:



Creative writing!

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 05 Oct 2019 14:41

Copy Hawk:
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The original:
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Pretty much the same except for the ugly nose:
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In operation after 30 years of reverse-engineering the S-70C:
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Should be coming to a mountain range near India:
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As Cheen's "new" gen high altitude helo:
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby VikramA » 05 Oct 2019 14:46

^^^ that 'ugly' nose probably houses a weather radar , which is essential for a truly all weather helicopter, especially in mountain terrain.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 06 Oct 2019 15:30

^^^ True but the original has a weather radar too and I believe it designed such that the aircraft kept it in a nice unintrusive place. If you are copying something, you should keep the aesthetics. This is like putting a big clown nose on Scarlett Johansen. lol

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 06 Oct 2019 15:48

Smooth Manifold on DFI did a great job on the parade with pictures of lots of ground vehicles that watchers tend to skip over for the aircraft and missiles.

He posted these which illustrated the who parade on the ground and in the air:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 06 Oct 2019 16:21

Woah !!.. havent seen a pic like the one above in BRF before :mrgreen: , tilted my comp screen to get a better dekko :mrgreen:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 09 Oct 2019 15:59

The Copy Hawk up close.

Fascinated by this ancient but "new" RE project. The placement of everything is the same as the S-70 but a little different. Our $2.6B buy of the MH-60R has me wondering what variants of the thing they will come up with. There will definitely be a naval version. They lengthened their 052D destroyer just for this aircraft.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 12 Oct 2019 12:34

And here it is. First clear picture of naval CopyHawk -- Copy Seahawk. Note the same positioning of double rear wheel.

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They will pump this thing out in many variants without doubt.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 12 Oct 2019 18:51

https://www.janes.com/article/91788/china-s-z-20-tactical-helicopter-uses-fly-by-wire-system

The Z-20 tactical helicopter is the first Chinese-produced rotorcraft to incorporate fly-by-wire flight controls, according to a 7 October report in the state-owned Global Times newspaper, citing an interview with Z-20 pilot Song Xinning broadcast by state television CCTV.

The Z-20, which made its official public debut in a fly-past during the People's Republic of China's National Day Parade in Beijing on 1 October, is assessed to have entered service with the PLA Ground Force (PLAGF) by May 2019. It is a medium-lift helicopter in the 10-tonne class that is very similar in appearance to the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk.

Although fly-by-wire systems are widely used in fixed-wing aircraft, they have not been widely adopted for rotorcraft. That said, the first fly-by-wire production helicopter was the NHIndustries NH90, which first entered service in 2006 with the German Army, but subsequently no other US or European helicopters in large-scale production have taken this route.

A 2008 upgrade programme for the Black Hawk included the adoption of fly-by-wire but this was subsequently dropped to reduce cost and implementation timescales. However, the technology has resurfaced, replacing the mechanical flight control systems in an early production Black Hawk airframe that is now being used for the Optionally Piloted Vehicle (OPV) development programme of the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

Initial piloted test flights took place in May 2019 and the programme anticipates fully autonomous flights, without pilots, in 2020.

The Sikorsky CH-53K King Stallion heavy-lift helicopter, which is the replacement for the CH-53E Super Stallion used by the US Marine Corps, will incorporate fly-by-wire.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 12 Oct 2019 20:49

The V-280 is also expected to demonstrate unmanned autonomous flight in the next few months but I guess it could be argued that it’s not a helicopter.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Oct 2019 11:28

Intel tweets: the Copy Seahawk is called the Z-20F.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1183428337613623296


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Well ... here it is, the Z-20F.

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So it seems like Z-20F really does have a belly radar array as well as two conformal cheek/side arrays.

Interesting radar arrangement; different to most ASW helicopters which have a single large belly radar instead.

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また加筆します。
よく見ると、今後はきっと対潜哨戒型が出るはずですが、この子は多分MH-60Sと同じクラスの多用途・補給支援ヘリだと思いますね。
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Google translated from Japanese:

If you look closely, the anti-submarine patrol type will surely appear in the future, but I think this child is probably a multi-purpose and replenishment support helicopter of the same class as the MH-60S

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Kartik » 15 Oct 2019 04:59

More details on the Copy Hawk

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More details emerge about China's Z-20 Copy Hawk helicopter

Chinese state-owned media have released more details about the Z-20 helicopter operated by the People's Liberation Army Ground Force (PLAGF).

Reports by the Global Times newspaper highlighted that the engines installed in the Z-20 provide sufficient power for the aircraft to perform well at high altitudes, and stated that the Z-20 design incorporates "many technologies that should be considered advanced in the world, including active vibration control, fly-by-wire, low-noise design for rotor and the high-performance aerodynamic design of the rotor".

The reports, which were published in the context of the fifth biennial China Helicopter Exposition held in Tianjin from 10-13 October - where the Z-20 was a key exhibit - followed the first public appearance of the Z-20 at China's National Day Parade on 1 October.

A 1,600 kW turboshaft engine displayed at the Tianjin exhibition is believed to be the type that powers the twin-engined Z-20. A display board accompanying the exhibited engine noted that it is suitable for medium and large helicopters. No designation was given to this engine, although it is thought to be the WZ-10.

The performance of the engine, which is claimed to have been developed independently, is reportedly comparable with those produced by leading international manufacturers.

No further information was released about the active vibration control system, nor the rotor design features. Images indicate that a de-icing system is integrated into the main rotor blades, which will enhance the helicopter's all-weather capabilities.

The appearance of the Z-20 at the Tianjin exhibition, in both static and flying displays, has resulted in many high-quality photographs appearing in Chinese online forums, providing details not previously available of the aircraft. These show that the aircraft is equipped with a self-protection suite comprising a missile approach warning system featuring infra-red and laser warning sensors, as well as flare/chaff dispensers.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 15 Oct 2019 10:10

The Copy Hawk and the original:
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Copy Hawk's Army/Navy differences:
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby tandav » 15 Oct 2019 10:23

what is the round turret just behind the engine exhaust at the beginning of the tail in the grey Helicopter


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