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China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Suresh S » 12 Mar 2017 05:24

I do like vina,s post above.I agree if Noko develops a missile that can reach california, US attack on them is certain because no way any country will allow it,s most important state in the line of fire of a totally moronic country.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 14 Mar 2017 08:32

cd news.

some guy said on CD that a certain rich MD coutry(s.arabia?) might invest on chinese J31 via pakistan.

s.arabia has a good impression on china~made drones after placing a huge order of chinese drones recently in Zhuhai,one prince from s.arabia visited Shenyang and was impressed on the costperformance of J31.

S.arabia might order 300 J31 via Pakistan.

the guy suggested that pakistanion's recent order of 2 china~made subs was also funded by s.arabia.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 14 Mar 2017 19:58

Liu wrote:cd news.

some guy said on CD that a certain rich MD coutry(s.arabia?) might invest on chinese J31 via pakistan.

s.arabia has a good impression on china~made drones after placing a huge order of chinese drones recently in Zhuhai,one prince from s.arabia visited Shenyang and was impressed on the costperformance of J31.

S.arabia might order 300 J31 via Pakistan.

the guy suggested that pakistanion's recent order of 2 china~made subs was also funded by s.arabia.



This is the sort of "news" which comes out of Pakistani portals and is 99.99999999999999999999% fake and taller deeper and sweeter moron friend China picks up and publishes this shit.

This is Pakistani mental masturbation - where they get 300 jets, Saudis pay for them and China gets paid and is very happy with Plostitute Pakistan

Balls. This will not happen. I put it on record. Call me out if anything remotely like this occurs.

This shit is the lower end of psy ops played by shitistan on everyone else. China ejaculates in orgasmic pleasure. India shits in Pants and Pakistan moans in ecstasy. Thoo

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Vivek K » 14 Mar 2017 20:16

:rotfl: ^^+1!

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby TSJones » 14 Mar 2017 20:39

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote:cd news.

some guy said on CD that a certain rich MD coutry(s.arabia?) might invest on chinese J31 via pakistan.

s.arabia has a good impression on china~made drones after placing a huge order of chinese drones recently in Zhuhai,one prince from s.arabia visited Shenyang and was impressed on the costperformance of J31.

S.arabia might order 300 J31 via Pakistan.

the guy suggested that pakistanion's recent order of 2 china~made subs was also funded by s.arabia.



This is the sort of "news" which comes out of Pakistani portals and is 99.99999999999999999999% fake and taller deeper and sweeter moron friend China picks up and publishes this shit.

This is Pakistani mental masturbation - where they get 300 jets, Saudis pay for them and China gets paid and is very happy with Plostitute Pakistan

Balls. This will not happen. I put it on record. Call me out if anything remotely like this occurs.

This shit is the lower end of psy ops played by shitistan on everyone else. China ejaculates in orgasmic pleasure. India shits in Pants and Pakistan moans in ecstasy. Thoo


and when it happens hell will freeze over and trump will declare himself transgender and wear skirts to work.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 14 Mar 2017 20:44

:rotfl: burn baby burn!

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 14 Mar 2017 21:02

Liu, you are amazing man.

Your post would have been complete if you had mentioned that the 300 J31s was going to transform into Autobots during battle.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 14 Mar 2017 21:32

Production of China’s New Airlifter Confirmed

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... -confirmed

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 14 Mar 2017 21:42

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote:cd news.

some guy said on CD that a certain rich MD coutry(s.arabia?) might invest on chinese J31 via pakistan.

s.arabia has a good impression on china~made drones after placing a huge order of chinese drones recently in Zhuhai,one prince from s.arabia visited Shenyang and was impressed on the costperformance of J31.

S.arabia might order 300 J31 via Pakistan.

the guy suggested that pakistanion's recent order of 2 china~made subs was also funded by s.arabia.



This is the sort of "news" which comes out of Pakistani portals and is 99.99999999999999999999% fake and taller deeper and sweeter moron friend China picks up and publishes this shit.

This is Pakistani mental masturbation - where they get 300 jets, Saudis pay for them and China gets paid and is very happy with Plostitute Pakistan

Balls. This will not happen. I put it on record. Call me out if anything remotely like this occurs.

This shit is the lower end of psy ops played by shitistan on everyone else. China ejaculates in orgasmic pleasure. India shits in Pants and Pakistan moans in ecstasy. Thoo


be calm,guy.
anything related to pakistan alway seems to cause a mess here.

hehe.

the news is written in chinese on CD and CD is a chinese BBS.
few pakistan can read/write chinese,isn't it?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby GShankar » 14 Mar 2017 21:51

^^

First sentence says this..
This is the sort of "news" which comes out of Pakistani portals and is 99.99999999999999999999% fake and taller deeper and sweeter moron friend China picks up and publishes this shit.


And you say

the news is written in chinese on CD and CD is a chinese BBS.
few pakistan can read/write chinese,isn't it?


Comprehension still seems to be a challenge.. :rotfl:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 14 Mar 2017 22:13

Rakesh wrote:Liu, you are amazing man.

Your post would have been complete if you had mentioned that the 300 J31s was going to transform into Autobots during battle.


Shenyang was defeated by Chengdu when bidding for PLA's 5 g backbone bird. Chengdu won the bid with J20.


Shenyang is the loser of the bid, but it accumulated lots of tech&experience of 5G bird.

however,shenyang's R&D tech team of 5g bird would have nothing to do and have to be dismissed,if Shenyang was kept out of the R&D of 5g bird for long time.

that would be a heavy waste of talent.


to keep Shenyang's tech team survive and make its the R&D going on, the project of j31 appears as a exporting project.
i
Shenyang has got lots of mature tech/experience for 5g bird already, that is why j31's prototype can roll out so quickly.


but shenyang had not enough fund to finish it itself,and PLA can not fund such a exporting commerical project .


thus, attracting foreign order/fund is the key to keep j31 survive.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Sid » 14 Mar 2017 22:19

Although this thread is turning into a complete loony bin, but here are my 2 cents.

I for one won't be surprised at all if Saudis are paying for Porky toys. Porkies just agreed to send a brigade worth of troops to be stationed at Saudi Arabian borders. Funny that they cried like babies when america asked them to move troops on their western borders, arguing they don't have enough troops to be spared on both front.

In porky land money can buy you anything, even an Army.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 14 Mar 2017 22:21

Liu wrote:
Shenyang has got lots of mature tech/experience for 5g bird already, that is why j31's prototype can roll out so quickly.

but shenyang had not enough fund to finish it itself,and PLA can not fund such a exporting commerical project .

thus, attracting foreign order/fund is the key to keep j31 survive.


Let me use an analogy to understand this. It is a story from the Arabian Nights. Chang loves Abdul, but Abdul craves Sultan al Madina's wife. Chang and Abdul hope that Sultan al Madina will donate his beautiful wife for Abdul to bang using his front end while Chang bangs Abdul's back end. This is one heck of a gripping tale. Someone's hand is certainly gripping something..

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Sid » 14 Mar 2017 22:23

Liu wrote:...........

Shenyang has got lots of mature tech/experience for 5g bird already, that is why j31's prototype can roll out so quickly.

.............


What mature tech? I know you are trolling here but still please try to add some substance to your outrageous claims. Making an air-frame which looks like F-35, does not quality as Gen 5 fighter.

Hope you know what actually goes into it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 14 Mar 2017 22:35

Sid wrote:What mature tech? I know you are trolling here but still please try to add some substance to your outrageous claims. Making an air-frame which looks like F-35, does not quality as Gen 5 fighter.

Hope you know what actually goes into it.

:D To be fair - what you are demanding is totally unnecessary in the light of the following information
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/600 ... ghter.html
Highlighting J-20 features, an official in the PLAAF told media in Zhuhai last year that "J-20 contains many of China's top technologies instealthaircraft plus other military secrets."

"[b]The secrets include the J-20's body shape, the proportion of its wing and body and other secrets as aircraft experts can easily calculate its stealth parameters from its exterior[/b]," the official was quoted as saying.


..so there :P Go eat crow

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 14 Mar 2017 22:36

Sid wrote:Although this thread is turning into a complete loony bin, but here are my 2 cents.

I for one won't be surprised at all if Saudis are paying for Porky toys. Porkies just agreed to send a brigade worth of troops to be stationed at Saudi Arabian borders. Funny that they cried like babies when america asked them to move troops on their western borders, arguing they don't have enough troops to be spared on both front.

In porky land money can buy you anything, even an Army.


frankly speaking,if the complicated and delicate relations among china,india and pakistan were ignored, j31 wound be the5g bird most fit for india.

if india were to invest on j31, J31 surely could serve for india airforce ealier than FGFA and AMCA,at much lower cost.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 14 Mar 2017 22:38

Liu wrote:
Sid wrote:Although this thread is turning into a complete loony bin, but here are my 2 cents.

I for one won't be surprised at all if Saudis are paying for Porky toys. Porkies just agreed to send a brigade worth of troops to be stationed at Saudi Arabian borders. Funny that they cried like babies when america asked them to move troops on their western borders, arguing they don't have enough troops to be spared on both front.

In porky land money can buy you anything, even an Army.


frankly speaking,if the complicated and delicate relations among china,india and pakistan were ignored, j31 is the5g bird most fit for india.

if india were to invest on j31, J31 surely could serve for india airforce ealier than FGFA and AMCA,at much lower cost.


I'm sure the MOD would consider it once the Chinese defense establishment furnishes full technical documents for evaluation. Could you communicate this and get the ball rolling at the CD which is a Chinese BBS?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 14 Mar 2017 22:50

Sid wrote:
Liu wrote:...........

Shenyang has got lots of mature tech/experience for 5g bird already, that is why j31's prototype can roll out so quickly.

.............


What mature tech? I know you are trolling here but still please try to add some substance to your outrageous claims. Making an air-frame which looks like F-35, does not quality as Gen 5 fighter.

Hope you know what actually goes into it.

shenyang and chengdu started the R&d of 5g bird much earlier than most indians immage.

CD reported that Shenyang prepared Dozons designs of 5g bird, but one of them was stolen by one s.korean spy(one korean chinese official in Shenyang).there are millons of korean as ethnic minoity in china.

when soko revealed the PPT of its 5g bird,many chinese guys mocks on it for soko's 5g bird is quite like one Shenyang's revealed stealth aeromodelling tested in chinese wind~tunnels

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/critica ... 260800.jpg

pay attention to soko's kfx c100
https://timgsa.baidu.com/timg?image&qua ... 736486.jpg
and it makes people think that the stolen design is one of soko's tech resources.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Sid » 14 Mar 2017 23:12

Liu, I am sorry I even asked :((

@shiv, eating crow as i write

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 15 Mar 2017 07:19

Liu wrote:
frankly speaking,if the complicated and delicate relations among china,india and pakistan were ignored, j31 is the5g bird most fit for india.

if india were to invest on j31, J31 surely could serve for india airforce ealier than FGFA and AMCA,at much lower cost.

Chinese companies should really take part in Aero India 2019 rather than DjinnAvia Somalia 632 or DeFartPakistan 786 (SAW)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Sid » 15 Mar 2017 07:39

Super stealthy paint chipping away from J 20. Hopefully this beauty face mask stays on during war.

Image

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 15 Mar 2017 09:04

China already has a counter to India's missile shield

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... ile-shield

China is set to deploy anti-radar countermeasures which will neutralize the South Korean THAAD. The THAAD system consists of a sophisticated radar and interceptor missiles designed to spot and knock out incoming ballistic missiles.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 15 Mar 2017 09:11

Neshant wrote:China already has a counter to India's missile shield

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... ile-shield

China is set to deploy anti-radar countermeasures which will neutralize the South Korean THAAD. The THAAD system consists of a sophisticated radar and interceptor missiles designed to spot and knock out incoming ballistic missiles.

We crap in our pants the minute we read news about China.

Guess what China is going to do for Korea?
However, China could and would interfere with the system’s functions through electromagnetic technology, he said. Yue said an ideal place to install the Chinese equipment was on the Shandong peninsula on the country’s east coast, opposite South Korea.

Quoted by SCMP, Fu Qianshao, an aviation equipment expert with the PLA Air Force, said China could also send planes – manned or unmanned – to fly close to THAAD to interfere with its radar signals. All the country’s armed forces had the capacity to interfere with radar signals, Fu said.


For India China is going to buy places in Kolkata and Kannur to do the same thing

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Mar 2017 10:18

Neshant wrote:China already has a counter to India's missile shield

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... ile-shield

China is set to deploy anti-radar countermeasures which will neutralize the South Korean THAAD. The THAAD system consists of a sophisticated radar and interceptor missiles designed to spot and knock out incoming ballistic missiles.


That is like a soft counter measure , ever Radar out there would have some kind of EW system to degrade it or atleast try to.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Mar 2017 10:25

Obama Administration Halted $1B Arms Sale to Taiwan Before Exiting Office

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703 ... le-taiwan/

Despite the approval of both the Departments of Defense and of State to send a $1-billion weapons package to boost Taiwan’s border defenses along the controversial Taiwan Strait, the deal was quietly blocked during the lame duck period of the Obama administration, the Washington Free Beacon reports.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 15 Mar 2017 14:01

news from sina. here are some parts of it.

WS10B to power J20 soon
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd ... ychhus1398358.shtml

《中国日报》最新报道援引中国航空发动机集团公司代表、航空发动机研发人员陈祥宝的话称:“我国第五代战斗机(即歼-20)配备国产发动机已为期不远。发动机研发过程进展顺利。”
recently on CHINA DAILY,MR. Chen Xianbao,the congressman from CAGC(china aeroengine group comp. the newly~born unit in charge of the R&D of all chinese aeroengine) comfirmed that J20 would be powered by indigenious engine soon and that the R&D of indigenious engines advances smoothly.


很可能换装涡扇-10B而非涡扇-15发动机

  歼-20战斗机此次将换装的很可能是涡扇-10B而非涡扇-15发动机。这从中航工业和中航发集团一直以来的相关报道可作出接近事实的判断。今年2月,《中国航空报》披露了“太行”发动机改进型号(即涡扇-10B)由中航工业动力所研制成功的消息。报道称,涡扇-10B发动机的加力推力增加到了14.5吨(142.1千牛),而且使用全权限数字电子控制系统(FADEC)。
but what will power J20 soon might be WS10B,instead of Ws15.
On Feb. this year,CHINA AERO DAILY reported once that WS10b had been finished. according to the report,WS10B's biggest thrust is 14.5 tons(142.1KN,about 90% of f22 engine's 156KN),and it has FADEC.


当然,涡扇-10B发动机取得如此重大进步,也付出了一定的代价,那就是发动机寿命有所下降。比起涡扇-10发动机,涡扇-10B寿命减少了约200个飞行小时。
WS10B's thrust is over one dozen KN bigger than WS10.
however,it is at the cost of decreasing endurance .

the endurance of WS10b is about 200 hours less than WS10.



反观一直传闻为歼-20战斗机标配发动机,与美军F-22A发动机属同一级别的,推重比为10的涡扇-15发动机,据最新报道处于完成“初始飞行前规定试验”的阶段,尚未转入“科研试飞”阶段。预计涡扇-15发动机可能要到2025年才可投入使用。
Ws15,the engine specially~developed for J20, is in the same league of F22's one. but it is still under developement and has not started the testfly.
it is expected that WS15 won't be available until 2025 or so.



歼-20战斗机目前使用的俄制发动机属于推力“够用”产品。
  所以可以得出结论,此次中航发公司代表透露的信息,就是指用涡扇-10B发动机替换歼-20战斗机目前使用的AL-31F-M1发动机。后者加力推力为132千牛,也就是说,换发后歼-20战斗机的单台发动机推力将增加约10千牛。虽然涡扇-10B发动机的寿命有所下降,但与推力大大提升相比,也属于可接受的问题
the biggest thrust of Russian AL~31F~M1, J20's current engine , is only 132KN. It is about a dozen less than WS10B.
thus, the less endurance of WS10b is acceptable ,because ws10B can provide much bigger thrust.



所以在换发后,歼-20战斗机虽然可能仍难以实现超音速巡航,但飞行性能、机动性将获得较大提升。
after its engine is replaced ,J20
will performance much better,but can not supersonically cruise yet

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 15 Mar 2017 15:04

Austin wrote:
Neshant wrote:China already has a counter to India's missile shield

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... ile-shield

China is set to deploy anti-radar countermeasures which will neutralize the South Korean THAAD. The THAAD system consists of a sophisticated radar and interceptor missiles designed to spot and knock out incoming ballistic missiles.


That is like a soft counter measure , ever Radar out there would have some kind of EW system to degrade it or atleast try to.


Interestingly, you would have to get within LOS to actually directly target an emitter and one of the solutions the article suggests is to tackle a mega watt class radar by trying to interfere with electro magnetic signals from the ground, from hundreds of miles away. These are Ballistic Missile Defense radars and are designed to look high up at very long distances. You ideally need to put a huge electromagnetic interfering source between it and the target which itself would be at hundreds of km altitude. Also ABM radars are not designed around the same constraints as an AMD radar so you can trade off wideband PAs for higher power ones (TPY-2 is said to operate within the 8.5-10GHz range).

Trying to jam a digital 1.3MW X-band system from distance even within LOS is going to require a lot of effort (high frequency = lots of power) which you won't be able to do short of war (where anything you put up will be contested)...Even more so if it is operating in TBM. Add to that that all TPY-2's are having their GaA modules replaced with GaN modules (current and future deliveries and also some sort of retrofit/upgrade program) and you are probably dealing with higher power potential that is only limited by future PPU upgrades and additional cooling bump which is actually the easy part.

But since they are promising to do so, this could be grounds to prove that they have sufficient "neutralizing" capability to any ABM sensor deployed to either flank therefore negating any case they may be trying to make that shows as these deployments threatening their deterrent, decoy testing in the Gobi desert or any new argument they are likely to come up with. That is a positive development ;).
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 15 Mar 2017 15:07

brar_w wrote:
Austin wrote:
That is like a soft counter measure , ever Radar out there would have some kind of EW system to degrade it or atleast try to.


Interestingly, you would have to get within LOS to actually directly target an emitter and one of the solutions the article suggests is to tackle a mega watt class radar by trying to interfere with electro magnetic signals from the ground, from hundreds of miles away. These are Anti Ballistic Missile Defense radars and are designed to look high up at very long distances. You ideally need to put a huge electromagnetic interfering source between it and the target which itself would be at hundreds of km altitude. But since they are promising to do so, this could be grounds to prove that they have sufficient "neutralizing" capability to any ABM sensor deployed to either flank therefore negating any case they may be trying to make that shows as these deployments threatening their deterrent. That is a positive development ;).

how about lazer that can dazzle satellite?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 15 Mar 2017 15:10

Liu wrote:how about lazer that can dazzle satellite?


Yes, technically if there was an AN/TPY-2 put into orbit you could try to dazzle it (or its comms) but since it isn't it is not applicable.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Mar 2017 15:35

brar_w wrote:
Austin wrote:
That is like a soft counter measure , ever Radar out there would have some kind of EW system to degrade it or atleast try to.


Interestingly, you would have to get within LOS to actually directly target an emitter and one of the solutions the article suggests is to tackle a mega watt class radar by trying to interfere with electro magnetic signals from the ground, from hundreds of miles away. These are Ballistic Missile Defense radars and are designed to look high up at very long distances. You ideally need to put a huge electromagnetic interfering source between it and the target which itself would be at hundreds of km altitude. Also ABM radars are not designed around the same constraints as an AMD radar so you can trade off wideband PAs for higher power ones.

Trying to jam a 1.3MW system from distance even within LOS is going to require a lot of effort which you won't be able to do short of war (where anything you put up will be contested)...Add to that that all TPY-2's are having their GaA modules replaced with GaN modules (future and also some sort of retrofit/upgrade program) and you are probably dealing with higher power potential that is only limited by future PPU upgrades and additional cooling bump which is actually the easy part.

But since they are promising to do so, this could be grounds to prove that they have sufficient "neutralizing" capability to any ABM sensor deployed to either flank therefore negating any case they may be trying to make that shows as these deployments threatening their deterrent, decoy testing in the Gobi desert or any new argument they are likely to come up with. That is a positive development ;).


They dont have to blanket jam the radar in brute way , They can use modern Digital RF Memory (DRFM) technology,Ga/N Broadband phased arrays to try and create interference in the radar. Short of war where they would try to take out the radar , EW is the only viable option be it ground based , ship based or air based.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 15 Mar 2017 15:44

hey dont have to blanket jam the radar in brute way , They can use modern Digital RF Memory (DRFM) technology,Ga/N Broadband phased arrays to try and create interference in the radar.


Interference requires LOS. You can't jam a radar that is operating from the ground, looking into space using an emitting source hundreds of miles on the ground, also staring into space (closest they can get to Seongju while being on land is still north of 500 or so km). A ground based jammer jams an airborne threat since it needs to put itself between the source and target for that source. Form the air, DRFM jamming is still done within the laws of physics and requires you to have a receiver that captures radar signals (so LOS). Secondly DRFM techniques are important and influential in feeding false target information and allow a given target to use DRFM techniques in jamming to evade targeting by a radar since the radar would struggle to determine true return from false return.

You would have to put DRFM sources into the warhead of a ballistic missile to get the same effect. Remember, in FBM or even in TBM the TPY-2 is looking into space well above 100 km (horizon search)...It isn't interested in an aircraft evading it using DRFM techniques while flying at 30,000 feet. some 300-400 km from it (radar horizon for a jamming source flying at 30,000 feet is sub 400km). In an active jamming scenario, the Chinese would have to attempt to jam or disrupt the TPY-2 located in Seongju using an airborne emitter flying close to or within South Korean airspace. As the crow flies distance from Seongju to Yantai (for eg) is 630 km which would require an altitude of 70,000+ feet for the jamming source. Not even the U-2 is capable of this, and even if it were its payload at that altitude won't be appropriate for the mission. Neizhedao which on the map appears the eastern most point is still 530km away from the TPY-2. Needless to say they would have to put the aircraft a lot closer to South Korean airspace, perhaps even within it or at least within range of their SAM's (GEM/T's 160km plus their MRSAM) and of course aircraft.

EW is the only viable option be it ground based , ship based or air based.


Ground and Ship based EW solutions target emitters that they can actually establish LOS with i.e missile seekers, or airborne targeting radars. This is a different solution. You have a radar on the ground, 500+km from the closest ground based sensor you can mount, and looking up into space. You are not going to interfere with its signal from a ship or from the ground. Only option that remains is using AEA but here you will run into other issues such as trying to jam a narrow beam radar that is tasked with only one mission - looking for warheads at hundreds of kms in altitude. It is not an AMD radar (like the lower tier Patriot) where it must search for slow, and low flying aircraft. It isn't even interested at those type of targets.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 15 Mar 2017 16:07

Perhaps their huge uav with diamond wing pattern will find a use there.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 15 Mar 2017 16:19

Singha wrote:Perhaps their huge uav with diamond wing pattern will find a use there.


To do what? It will feed false returns using DRFM techniques? But the TPY-2 is not looking for it (false returns need to come from a target reflecting the signal)...it is searching the horizon which for it is in space. Unless the diamond wing UAV mimics a warhead re-entring the atmosphere it would not help. If you wan't to physically go after the radar emissions you would have to introduce a lot of jamming to degrade its signal which a UAV flying a subsonic atmospheric orbit wouldn't be able to acheive especially since it won't get close enough given LOS limitations.

Even if we assume that it is flying at 50,000 feet it would still need to be within 250-275 nautical miles of the radar... 125-150 nautical miles west of the radar is still South Korea (land) which would mean that this UAV would need to carry a high power jammer (and somehow supply power to it), fly and operate at 50,000 feet some 100 nautical miles from the South Korean coast well within reach of interceptors backed up by land based early warning radars and airborne AEW's.

Getting real, the most likely possible counter TPY-2 strategies are kinetic both from the air and through saturated ballistic missile attacks. You aren't going to be flying high powered GaN jammers on diamond wing UAV's around it to effectively take it out of operation. This is a very powerful 9+ sq meter antenna with 25,344 T/R modules operating in X-band which is specifically looking out for very small (0.01sq m or lower) and very fast warheads at the horizon which is at hundreds of km altitude.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Mar 2017 18:16

China's female fighter pilots show their mettle


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Postby Austin » 15 Mar 2017 18:27

China’s J-20 set to receive indigenous engine

13 March, 2017 SOURCE: Flightglobal.com BY: Greg Waldron Singapore

China is nearing the use of an indigenous powerplant for the Chengdu J-20 fighter aircraft, although mass production of key engine technologies is a challenge.

A report in the official China Daily newspaper quotes an official of Aero Engine Corporation of China, Chen Xiangbao, as saying that “it will not take a long time for our fifth generation combat plane to have China-made engines.”


His comments on progress are somewhat contradictory, however.

Chen says China has produced single-crystal turbine blades and powder metallurgy superalloy turbine disks. Both technologies allow fighter engines to operate at extreme temperatures.

He adds that mass production is still an issue, and that “quality is not very satisfactory.”

The J-20 is shrouded in secrecy, as are China’s efforts to develop modern fighter engines. It is well known that Beijing perceives the lack of aircraft engine know-how as a major issue.

"The road to success is filled with setbacks and failures,” says Chen. “Each of the world's engine powers has walked this road.”


Early versions of the J-20, which first flew in late 2010, are apparently powered by an unknown version of the Russian-produced Saturn AL-31F.

The J-20 indigenous powerplant to which Chen refers could be the WS-15, a 30,000lb (133kN) thrust engine in development since the 1990s, and about which little is known.

Chinese state media recently reported that the J-20 has entered People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) service in small numbers. The type made its public debut last year at Airshow China in Zhuhai.

The display saw two aircraft fly down the runway at several hundred feet and perform a vertical split. One aircraft then departed, while its partner performed a few high-g turns followed by a high-speed climb out to conclude the performance.

The aircraft was agile enough for its large size, but stayed within a fairly basic envelope. Neither aircraft conducted a low-speed, high angle of attack pass, nor opened its weapons bays.

Little is known about the J-20’s sensor suite, datalink capabilities, and payload.

The jet’s large size and lack of thrust vectoring, however, suggest it lacks the manoeuvrability of US fifth generation fighter, the Lockheed Martin F-22. This has led some observers to speculate that one mission is the long-range, high-speed interdiction of pivotal enemy support assets, such as air-to-air refuelling tankers and airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 15 Mar 2017 21:53

Mean time China wants restrictions on high tech trade with EU to be eased as a pre requisite for higher imorts from EU :evil: .. take away from the last plenary .. so the last bastion of tech will finally fall .. copy cats here we come !!

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 15 Mar 2017 22:04

kit wrote:Mean time China wants restrictions on high tech trade with EU to be eased as a pre requisite for higher imorts from EU :evil: .. take away from the last plenary .. so the last bastion of tech will finally fall .. copy cats here we come !!


many civilian tech can be easily used for military purpose.

as golbal largest trader,china is the main trade parterner of EU and have easy access to EU's such dual~purose tech.


and such access can not be cut,as long as EU~china trade tie is there.


Thus, EU's military tech block on china can hardly work..

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Hari Seldon » 16 Mar 2017 05:52

On what PRC's MIRV capability means for India and the world.
Missile muscle (India Today)

Days after India tested its Agni-V intercontinental ballistic missile-a 5,000 km range missile that can reach Beijing and deep beyond-in December last year, China's secretive People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) conducted an equally significant test. But one that was meant to be under the radar. In January, diplomatic circles in Beijing were abuzz with rumours that the PLARF had carried out its first-ever test of a Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV)-launched on a DF-5C intercontinental ballistic missile-carrying as many as 10 warheads, a capability many experts thought China didn't possess.

The reported test was seen as significant as it suggested that China, which is thought to possess some 260 nuclear warheads-more than twice India's estimated 120 but a small fraction of US's 7,000-was moving towards a rapidly expanded stockpile, as a 10-warhead MIRV capability would require.

The tests pointed to what many experts say is the elephant in the room and an increasing source of mistrust in India's ties with China. Both sides are rapidly acquiring conventional and nuclear deterrence capabilities, even if China's arsenal still dwarfs India's. But what is remarkable, and a source of concern for experts, is that none of this figures in talks between the countries at any level. The reason, according to Chinese officials and experts, is that Beijing still views India as an 'illegal' nuclear weapons state, and talking would 'legalise' India's status.


After the MIRV test was leaked, the artillery corps, which was renamed PLARF in January last year as part of Xi's military reforms, released a first-ever video of its troops handling a DF-16 medium-range ballistic missile. The Chinese media pointed out the missile could reach all of China's neighbours, from Japan to India and the Philippines. The same month, photographs of the DF-41, an advanced intercontinental ballistic missile, being deployed in China's northeastern border, near Russia and North Korea (bringing the US's West Coast within reach), were released. Other leaks suggested the missile may have also been deployed in Xinjiang, bordering India and Central Asia.

These developments, for a unit that has prided secrecy above all else, followed an unusual September gathering of the PLARF. As part of Xi's reforms, the second artillery corps was elevated to an independent fourth service alongside the army, navy and air force. The same month, Xi addressed its leaders, reminding them they were China's "core strategic deterrence".

The PLARF's transformation has implications for India. It is often associated with China's nuclear arsenal, but the country's few hundred warheads are only a fraction of the several thousand conventional missiles under its command. The PLARF's deployments are scattered around several 'bases', with much of its focus on the eastern coast and Taiwan.


The 56th base covers north and west China, including the Tibetan Plateau. Images accessed by Col Vinayak Bhat (retired), an expert on the Chinese military and satellite imagery, and shared with india today, show several deployments in Tibet close to the Indian border. The images show likely launchpads; some were tested as recently as in 2013 and had clear post-launch markings. There are launchpads in Shigatse (Xigaze), Xaidulla and Gongga, all possibly storing medium-range DF-series missiles that could reach India. Images show Gongga earlier stored HQ-2 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) but more recent images from 2014 showed HQ-9 SAMs. "The Xaidulla facility, which seems to show 10 underground tunnels, is 250 km from Leh and 850 km from Delhi, so this is very relevant for India," says Col Bhat.

Perhaps the most striking of the satellite images is what appears to be a full-scale model of eastern Ladakh and Aksai Chin-for artillery training-in the Helan Shan mountains in northern China. Every little detail of the region, including the Pangong lake and five other water bodies, has been reconstructed in northern China for its troops to prepare for a potential conflict with India.


Experts say one reason why the PLARF is flexing its muscles now is its recent technical progress. The Pentagon's 2016 report on China said the PLARF was "developing and testing several new classes and variants of offensive missiles, including a hypersonic glide vehicle" that travels at five to 10 times the speed of sound and can evade any missile defence system.

Particularly, the MIRV test could also signal a move towards an expanded arsenal. Shen Dingli, a leading expert on China's nuclear deterrence, says: "It is regretful, but in its official eye, to match China's great power status, the country needs to have a more robust nuclear deterrent, including MIRV capability." Srikanth Kondapalli, an expert on Chinese military and professor at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, adds: "Estimates say China has less than 300 warheads, but 10 MIRV means China would need more."

India and China do not have a strategic nuclear dialogue. This is because China doesn't recognise India as a nuclear weapons state since it's a non-signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). "I have no problem with such a dialogue," says Shen. "However, the official line is India is not a 'legal' nuclear weapons state per the NPT, so China is not in a position to talk about it. Any China-India work on their nuclear relationship would legitimise India's nuclear status quo and violate China's own commitments."


This 'legality' status quo won't hold 20 years from now. So PRC is free to act all indignant and high-n-mighty at present. Yawn. What else is new?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby hnair » 16 Mar 2017 11:51

Austin wrote:China's female fighter pilots show their mettle


That video is kind of cool for this thread

Video point 1

:oops: I remember seeing in a 1980s documentary, the same "zombie formation walking" across parking lot, done by USN's Blue Angels team members. Looks like we have topnotch PLAAF training in aerial show too, same as Laoning carrier crew doing the right footwork for that "forward lunge and poke" like USN's CVN crew

Not to mention that badass moment (Video point 2), when you bark out a command that sounds like "one from the heart!!" from a moon-roof. But your posse knows you a wuss and does a wishy-washy "meh" back :(

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 17 Mar 2017 06:32

Chinese women are almost equal to men, says this man
https://youtu.be/bZhbpNUhhgQ?t=232


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