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China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ShauryaT » 17 Mar 2017 08:52

^It has been known for some time that China has missile silos in Tibet as it dug in many tunnels during the build of the Lhasa rail line. In the past, some Indian estimates have estimated China to have between 400-800 nuclear weapons. The issue with most western estimates has been that their focus is usually on China's long range arsenal and not as much on the SR/MR capabilities, which affect India and other neighbors.

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Postby Austin » 17 Mar 2017 10:02

After Airbus now Boeing is planning to have a JV to build 737 in China

Boeing Quiet on Chinese Joint Venture for 737 Completions


http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... ompletions
Boeing has declined to confirm a report from official Chinese news agency Xinhua that its previously announced joint venture with state-owned Comac will start building a 737 completions center in Zhoushan by the end of this month. According to Xinhua, the joint venture will install the first set of seats and cabin entertainment systems and Boeing will deliver the first 737 from its own facility located at the same site next year.

“We continue to discuss plans for the facility with our JV partner and government officials and will announce more information, at a later date,” said Boeing in a written statement.

The initial agreement to collaborate on 737 completions came along with an order for 300 Boeing jets involving China Aviation Supplies Holding Company, ICBC Financial Leasing and China Development Bank Leasing. The so-called general terms agreement covered 190 B737s and 50 widebodies for Chinese airlines and another 60 B737s for ICBC and CDB Leasing.

Boeing this week revealed CDB Aviation Lease Finance as the previously unidentified customer for thirty 737 Max 8s, a deal that the airframer described as “an opportunity to broaden communication and strengthen cooperation in various fields, bringing the partnership to a new level.”

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 17 Mar 2017 10:06

ShauryaT wrote:The issue with most western estimates has been that their focus is usually on China's long range arsenal and not as much on the SR/MR capabilities, which affect India and other neighbors.

I will shortly present (in another thread) a summary of Chinese infrastructure & other stuff. You are right in that comment bout western estimates. But no Indian public source portal has done much to expose China - or what can be found on public source sat images. Yes there are a few. I hope to be among the first to set the ball rolling.

I have done a lot of work - enough for a start - but much more detail needs to be looked at. Chinese threats to the west are easily accessible because of the volume of people who have concentrated on sussing that out. We desis are far behind

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 17 Mar 2017 15:17

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote:This shit is the lower end of psy ops played by shitistan on everyone else. China ejaculates in orgasmic pleasure. India shits in Pants and Pakistan moans in ecstasy. Thoo


HAR HAR HAR. Love the imagery, Shiv-ji.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 19 Mar 2017 12:16

An interesting insight into US military flights in the South China sea being challenged by China.

China's expansionism is going to be a theme for the early 21st century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaKbZW0pqkM

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 20 Mar 2017 01:05

China has built a naval base in the horn of Africa right where maritime trade between Europe and Asia moves.
Another big danger to India and Asia.

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China Expands Marine Force 400% - First Overseas Military Base Almost Complete

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... -base-almo

Among the details to emerge is a move to boost China’s marine corps — highly trained and well equipped troops intended for rapid deployment and offensive missions launched from the sea — from an existing 20,000 troops to more than 100,000.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 22 Mar 2017 09:01

This will be the first in a series of videos about Chinese military and strategic infrastructure in Tibet. Please excuse any deficiencies - this was a sort of practice video in which I was coming to grips with the possibilities offered by Google earth. 3-4 more videos will follow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wUkKcSBtss

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Philip » 22 Mar 2017 11:50

Smaller nations are getting more worried as days pass,Taiwan vows to build its own subs and Malaysia to augment its forces as the SC Sea/Indo-China Sea hots up.

Malaysia mulls naval upgrades amid IS threat, South China Sea standoff
Posted 20 Mar 2017 23:45
A Malaysian navy vessel patrols waters near Langkawi island, May 17, 2015. REUTERS/Olivia Harris

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia is gunning for a revamp of its aging naval fleet, as countries in the region prepare to face threats from the influx of Islamic State (IS) militants fleeing Mosul, and from rising tensions in the South China Sea.

Defence spending in the Asia Pacific region is expected to hit US$250 billion from 2016-20, IHS Janes Defence Weekly said in December, and Malaysia intends to improve on its capabilities alongside other states in the hotly contested South China Sea, even as its defence budget narrows.

Malaysia's navy aims to replace all 50 vessels in its aging fleet as the country cut its total defence budget by 12.7 percent to 15.1 billion (US$3.41 billion) this year. That will be led by the procurement of four littoral mission ships (LMS) built in collaboration with China.

"The LMS are designed for many aspects of maritime security such as dealing with cross-border crime, piracy, anti-terrorism and search and rescue operations," Malaysian navy chief Ahmad Kamarulzaman Ahmad Badaruddin told Reuters in an interview.

"These ships would be very capable of dealing with the threat posed by Daesh and other maritime security concerns," Kamarulzaman said, referring to the Arabic acronym for the IS.

Malaysia is expected to formalise the LMS deal with China at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA) this week to build four LMS and acquire the technology to construct more of the ships at home. The navy hopes this will enable them to eventually obtain a total of 18 LMS.

Plans to acquire four LMS from China were first announced in November.

Over 500 exhibitors from 36 countries will parade their wares at this year's LIMA, which is held every two years on the northern duty-free island of Langkawi.

Kamarulzaman said they are also in the final stages of negotiations with French shipbuilder DCNS to launch a program to build the larger littoral combat ships (LCS), which he said should be formally announced in August or September this year.

The navy is also looking to acquire three new multi-role support ships (MRSS) and two more submarines to round off the fleet.

COMPETING NEEDS

The naval build-up in the region comes as tensions rise in the South China Sea, where Beijing's creation of artificial islands has alarmed some Asian countries and stoked friction between China's navy and the U.S. air force.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which US$5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei also have overlapping claims.

Under President Joko Widodo, Indonesia's total defence spending jumped around 26 percent, and last month Thailand's military government approved a 13.5 billion baht (US$389.05 million) submarine deal with China after putting the purchase on hold last year.

Members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), however, need to share intelligence if they want their big-ticket buys to be of any use, said Shahriman Lockman, a senior analyst with the Kuala Lumpur-based Institute of Strategic and International Studies.

Shahriman said asset upgrades like Malaysia's LMS program are important, but stressed that such high-value procurements would end up sailing blindly without strong intelligence sharing among the 10 ASEAN members, supported by a wide network of surveillance equipment.

"We're talking military patrol aircraft, radars, drones... and in bigger numbers. Quantity is a quality of its own. It doesn't make sense to aspire to top-of-the-range equipment but in small numbers," Shahriman said.

"Equipment that contributes to maritime domain awareness ought to be the priority for all. You can't fight what you can't see."

(Editing by Ed Osmond)


*PS:Why we couldn't build the 4 LMS ships for Malaysia is open to Q.We collaborated with it in SU-30 /MIG-29 matters earlier. China is stealing our defence relationships with old friends.BDesh buys old Chinese subs,China squats in Lanka,now malaysia is buying Chinese warships and we lost out on the Philippine light frigate order.what on earth is our MEA and MOD for?

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... old-vessel
Taiwan to Build Its Own Submarine, President Vows on Visit to 50-Year-Old Vessel
| March 21, 2017, at 2:42 a.m.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 23 Mar 2017 22:22

Must be the biggest Chinese UAV deal signed so far

Saudi Arabia to build Chinese UAVs

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Guddu » 24 Mar 2017 07:59

Nice video, Shiv...waiting for part II and more

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 24 Mar 2017 08:25

Guddu wrote:Nice video, Shiv...waiting for part II and more

Thanks. I went over the video repeatedly but I simply could not make it any more "entertaining" than that although I wanted to- but the information is there. I wondered about writing articles - but they need lots of illustrations anyway and one has to do back and forth between text and image. One of the things that spurred me was reading Kunal Verma's book - which ideally requires one to sit with a map. Most of us are unfamiliar with the names and geography.

I am 80% done doing a video on the Chinese airfields relevant to us in case the balloon goes up. Will follow that with Chinese presence and capability in the Tawang and Nathu La area.

I want to keep these as "source material" to refer back to every time there is some article or news alleging something. Too many people have relied on earlier confused misreporting and peddled mythology that has become common knowledge now - like Aryan Invasion Theory

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 24 Mar 2017 12:32

China punishes Us by threatening b1 bomber flying in self proclaimed adiz

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Korea.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 24 Mar 2017 18:44

Sir why this is even considered punishment? Just curious

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 24 Mar 2017 18:48

DrRatnadip wrote:Sir why this is even considered punishment? Just curious


To get you to click on the link and read it. Many defense and non defense publications use it now :)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 24 Mar 2017 22:25

:lol: Got it..

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Guddu » 25 Mar 2017 04:17

shiv wrote:
Guddu wrote:Nice video, Shiv...waiting for part II and more

Thanks. I went over the video repeatedly but I simply could not make it any more "entertaining" than that although I wanted to- but the information is there. I wondered about writing articles - but they need lots of illustrations anyway and one has to do back and forth between text and image. One of the things that spurred me was reading Kunal Verma's book - which ideally requires one to sit with a map. Most of us are unfamiliar with the names and geography.

I am 80% done doing a video on the Chinese airfields relevant to us in case the balloon goes up. Will follow that with Chinese presence and capability in the Tawang and Nathu La area.

I want to keep these as "source material" to refer back to every time there is some article or news alleging something. Too many people have relied on earlier confused misreporting and peddled mythology that has become common knowledge now - like Aryan Invasion Theory


Just wanted to let you know, this is a great effort you do for mother India.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Suresh S » 25 Mar 2017 06:50

good job shiv. liked it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 25 Mar 2017 19:56

huge step forward for aerospace - C919 ready for first flight and has 600 orders from local carriers

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017032510 ... enger-jet/

putting together a320 sized jet even if it has LEAP engine and american/euro avionics is a huge undertaking and needs a huge ecosystem of certified local work.

I think boeing and airbus will be under more pressure to share more "secrets" with china to retain any form of foothold once the C919 and larger derivatives get going. surely 174 seats can be stretched to 200 with a fuselage change . and next plane will be a 300 seater a330/787/a350 type bird...thats all one really needs....

china is determined to compete with west from the lowest tech product to the highest tech, from bottom of the sea to space.....

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Zynda » 25 Mar 2017 20:12

^^Comac C929/939, which is in "joint" development with Russia is supposed to compete with B787/A350 type. Heck, even the prelim images look like a copy of B787.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 26 Mar 2017 10:51

OK here is the second of my video series on Chinese infra in Tibet

"Chinese Airfields of Relevance to India".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKc4AwM6KA


The next video is likely to be about the China-Tibet railway

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 26 Mar 2017 20:11

Nice Informative Video Shiv , JMT So to target deep inside India they will have to refuel in an around Tibet no matter where these aircraft take off from , If IAF can make Tibet as a dangerous zone to refuel the aircraft for Chinese which mean put a cost , then that would limit the ability of PLAAF to target deeper inside India, that would also mean putting Tibet an area huge as NE as you mention under 24x7 redundant surveillance

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 26 Mar 2017 20:15

Thats why i periodically rant about oth radar and shourya as ersam for slow heavies

Direct radars will get blocked by himalaya and none can keep so many awacs to surveil it 24x7 but oth radar might be able to work

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Postby Austin » 26 Mar 2017 20:26

OTH are huge asset and are static that would make it the first target in any conflict , OTH is good for peace time air survellence and intell gathering as they are not limited by horizon and can look deep 3000 km but its huge foot print means it would be on enemys first todo list.

I want to assume that any thing Static with known co-ordinates will be taken out first by IAF & PLAAF

The other types are limited by LOS , that makes either AWACS or Ballon type more feasible , Cant really help we need A-330 based long legs high persistance AWACS in dozen just over NE to maintain a good dekho over Limited Chinese Area say Tibet

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 26 Mar 2017 20:29

Didnt knew Chinese were still building the Mig-21 in 2017 but this is the last one to be built by them
Recently built MiG-21

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As reported in the group of Modern Chinese Warplanes in http://www.facebook.com , March 22, 2017, the Chinese aircraft enterprises Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC, Guiyang, Guizhou Province) handed over the last two PLA Air Force combat training aircraft JJ-7A new construction. These planes are a Chinese analogue of combat-capable MiG-21U Series, became thus the last in the history of the world built in the aircraft MiG-21. Series production of the MiG-21 as a result of conducted in the Soviet Union and China in total 58 years (from 1959 to 2017).

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One of the latter two produced for the Air Force of the PLA in the Chinese aircraft enterprises Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC) training and combat aircraft JJ-7A (Chinese counterparts MiG-21U) - aircraft with tail number "3827". Guiyang (Guizhou), 22/03/2017 (c) http://www.facebook.com/Modern-Chinese-Warp lanes

Sent GAIC PLA Air Force on March 22, the last serial JJ-7A, tail number "3827" and "3828", as reported in the same source, were part of the 2nd Brigade of Xi'an aviation training flight school at the airport Zhangye (Gansu Province).

JJ-7 is a self-built in China at an aircraft factory in Guiyang (with the assistance of an aircraft factory in Chengdu) a copy of the Soviet combat training aircraft MiG-21U. Since the documentation on the MiG-21U was not transferred to China, then as a model to be copied used MiG-21US, the Chinese purchased in Egypt in 1979. The first prototype of the JJ-7 made its first flight in Guiyang 5 July 1985. Serial production of JJ-7 was carried out on GAIC in Guiyang since 1988, since 1997 was carried out a modified version of the release of JJ-7A.

Previously reported the aircraft production line closure Series JJ-7 GAIC c beginning of 2015, however, as can be seen, the release of these aircraft continued there for two years.

Issue of single family fighters J-7 (MiG-21) in the PRC enterprise Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group Chengdu was discontinued in 2013, with the completion of deliveries in Bangladesh 16 aircraft F-7BGI.

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PLA Air Force Transfer latter two made in the Chinese aircraft enterprises Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC) JJ -7A combat training aircraft (Chinese counterparts MiG-21U) - aircraft, tail number "3827" and "3828". Guiyang (Guizhou), 22/03/2017 (c) http://www.facebook.com/Modern-Chinese-Warp lanes Included in the 2nd training Xi'an Aviation Brigade of the PLA Air Force flight school training and combat aircraft JJ-7A of the latest release, received, apparently, also in the most recent (see the car bearing the number "3823", "3825" and "3826"). The team also produced I am available GAIC new combat training aircraft JL-9 and JL-9A, production of which in recent years, so that was conducted at the plant in parallel with the JJ-7A. Zhangye (Gansu), 02/03/2017 (c) http://www.facebook.com/Modern-Chinese-Warp lanes

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 26 Mar 2017 20:36

If oth radar in australia can track ships in north pacific i would imagine its possible to have them in ooty and scan tibet. To reach ooty would need a proper irbm which they cannot start with on escalation ladder. Same abm thats supposed to protect dilli can be placed in ooty too

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 26 Mar 2017 20:56

Austin wrote:Nice Informative Video Shiv , JMT So to target deep inside India they will have to refuel in an around Tibet no matter where these aircraft take off from , If IAF can make Tibet as a dangerous zone to refuel the aircraft for Chinese which mean put a cost , then that would limit the ability of PLAAF to target deeper inside India, that would also mean putting Tibet an area huge as NE as you mention under 24x7 redundant surveillance

For that we must first take out the 4 south Tibet airfields

Nyingchi is just 15 km from border - even the Chinese say that it cannot have a major military role though Linzhi/Nyingchi are one of Tibet's 2 mil HQs. The other one is Lhasa

Xigaze and Lhasa will need to be taken out

Another one Galonggong is 4300 meter high - it is useful only to insert troops

Finally it is vitally important to take out Golmud - 800 km from the Indian border

Tibet should be made a PLAAF free zone.

I will come up with a railways video - (Golmud to Lhasa) that offers some interesting possibilities

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 26 Mar 2017 21:03

Singha wrote:If oth radar in australia can track ships in north pacific i would imagine its possible to have them in ooty and scan tibet. To reach ooty would need a proper irbm which they cannot start with on escalation ladder. Same abm thats supposed to protect dilli can be placed in ooty too


The Australian JINDALLE and Russian CONTAINER radar has an effective range of ~3000 km ( note the word effective ) , You can keep say 1000 km deep inside your border and can still look 2000 km deep into enemy airspace infact they claim you can even keep track of aircraft on runway from take off to landing ! Operating between 10 -100 m means no amount of Stealth can hide from it , there are claims of JINDALEE tracking B-2 over Indian Ocean

That being said you can deploy OTH any where you want you need the right ground propogation and area in many km range to deploy it , you have to select the area to deploy it.

For High Density Conflict between high capable powers like India or China that might perhaps last for few weeks , we need as mobile system as possible be it radar , sam , ELINT etc needs to be highly mobile , thats the best bet to Survive and Fight.

Check APA on Yugoslavia Conflict , this is high intensity airwar involving 1000 aircraft only mobile systems survived inspite of being outclass technologically

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-04. ... ocId368006

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 26 Mar 2017 21:47

The Chinese intent to use PLAAF to keep IAF busy, while PLA mobilises. Given the restriction, I don't think they will major plans for deep strikes.

At 300- 500 km distance from border based airports, the jets should be able to arrive at the border in approximate 30-50 minutes or less. Basing refuellers in deep should allow them to carry enough load-out to engage IAF and keep it busy. PLAAF can throws numbers & IAF will have it's task cut out.

So we need standoff weapons which can sanitise landing/take up zones within 800- 1000km. Read somewhere that the Khan used 120 Tomahawks on a single Libyan airbase in the initial attacks. Even if we go economical, we do need lots of Nirbhays & Agnis.

We would have to consider the fact that PLA engineers are going to build war time runways, which would be difficult to pinpoint at such distances.

Need ability to dominate around 100-200 KM near the borders, to prevent Chinese BM attacks, SAM to keep PLAAF busy within the area and deep standoff attack capability in forms of Nirbays & Agni.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 26 Mar 2017 22:07

How do the Chinese bring fuel to Tibet? Railway?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 26 Mar 2017 22:16

nam wrote:How do the Chinese bring fuel to Tibet? Railway?

Golmud to Lhasa by train. The image at the start of the airfields video is of a refinery and fuel storage in Golmud. Lhasa also has large fuel dumps

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 26 Mar 2017 22:31

shiv wrote:Golmud to Lhasa by train. The image at the start of the airfields video is of a refinery and fuel storage in Golmud. Lhasa also has large fuel dumps


Yeah saw that. Given they are static, it can be targeted. I was wondering about how would PLA refill, if these are taken out?

Where do Golmud get it's oil?

This link says they tranport LPG from Golmud to Lhasa. Takes 3 days by road.
http://en.tibetol.cn/01/01/201112/t1067328.htm

The transportation of natural gas to Tibet starts in Golmud in the northwestern Qinghai province


This factory in northwestern China’s Qinghai province is liquefying natural gas to be sent into the neighboring Tibet Autonomous Region. The factory workers ready the fuel for a 3 day trip to Lhasa


Golmud, needs lot of attention from IAF.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 27 Mar 2017 06:47

nam wrote:Where do Golmud get it's oil?

This link says they tranport LPG from Golmud to Lhasa. Takes 3 days by road.
http://en.tibetol.cn/01/01/201112/t1067328.htm

The transportation of natural gas to Tibet starts in Golmud in the northwestern Qinghai province


This factory in northwestern China’s Qinghai province is liquefying natural gas to be sent into the neighboring Tibet Autonomous Region. The factory workers ready the fuel for a 3 day trip to Lhasa


Golmud, needs lot of attention from IAF.


There is no easy route to Tibet from China. There is a huge wall of mountains if they try to go directly and although they have built roads there - it takes 10 days from Chengdu to Lhasa by road.

So what they have done is to build a railway that skirts the northern part of the mountains - staring from the city of Xining in the Qinghai province. The railway line extends east towards Golmud and after Golmud it takes a left turn to the south and heads straight towards Lhasa. The Rail journey for passengers from Xining, Qinghai to Lhasa takes 2 days - but maybe tankers with gas take 3 days.

I think Qinghai gets its petroleum from sources in the east. The railway takes it to Lhasa. Now here is the interesting bit. There is no train route from Golmud to Xinjiang. I think supplies have to be moved by road from Tibet via Aksai Chin :D This is probably why the Chinese are desperately trying to get a second route via shitistan

The Chinese are crazy. 99% of their people live in the east and only 21 million in Xinjiang and 4 million in Tibet. These areas are China's Baluchistan. Transport from Eastern China to Tibet and Xinjiang is not easy. Of course Xinjiang as airfields at altitudes of 1000 meters or less - so all those Chinese military tarnsport aircraft will come in handy. But less so in Tibet which averages 4500 meters

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2017 07:15

Oil pipeline is there from kazakhstan to east cheen. Maybe this supplies xinjiang. Look for maps of oil and gas network

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Postby shiv » 27 Mar 2017 07:43

Singha wrote:Oil pipeline is there from kazakhstan to east cheen. Maybe this supplies xinjiang. Look for maps of oil and gas network

OK that is an excellent point. That should look after Xinjiang's needs and perhaps even serve as an alternate supply route to Tibet

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ShauryaT » 27 Mar 2017 08:12

Singha wrote:Oil pipeline is there from kazakhstan to east cheen. Maybe this supplies xinjiang. Look for maps of oil and gas network

There is an oil pipeline from Golmud to Lhasa?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 27 Mar 2017 08:28

ShauryaT wrote:
Singha wrote:Oil pipeline is there from kazakhstan to east cheen. Maybe this supplies xinjiang. Look for maps of oil and gas network

There is an oil pipeline from Golmud to Lhasa?

I think there is. I recall marking something on the map - but I will relook when I get to work on the railway bit

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2017 09:05

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_A ... s_pipeline

pls see this link and its refs for east-west gas pipelines in china. there are multiple, mostly head node xinjiang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West%E2%8 ... s_Pipeline

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2017 09:11

its not shown on map but I believe there is a golmud to lhasa pipe, maybe for refined petroleum. look for large POL farms around lhasa that will be where its stored for use. usually will be near railway line to move heavy equipment and to use oil trains if pipe is under repair.
looks like cheen is importing both crude and gas via kazakhstan.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Liu » 27 Mar 2017 21:31

Singha wrote:its not shown on map but I believe there is a golmud to lhasa pipe, maybe for refined petroleum. look for large POL farms around lhasa that will be where its stored for use. usually will be near railway line to move heavy equipment and to use oil trains if pipe is under repair.
looks like cheen is importing both crude and gas via kazakhstan.

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yes.there is one fuel pipeline to lhasa. it was opened over one decade ago.

the gas through xinjiang mainly is not from kaza,but from turkmen.


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