Austin wrote:Even Reverse Engineer is an art just because they have a product does not mean they can reverse engineer it .it takes a lot of effort at a scale of doing something new to reverse engineer a platform , with all the pros & cons that comes with that approach
Only China and Iran has been able to reverse engineer multiple platforms on a mass scale something both have learnt to do due to decades of sanction on them.
Maybe Iran but there the highest level of RE is the F-5 which is the exact equivalent of the MiG-21 clones that Cheen made during the period it was embargoed by both Rus and Unkil. That is as far as it goes for true RE and even there I have caveats -- from what people could tell the Azarakhsh (twin tailed F-5) never reached mass production and might be nothing more than cobbling together of F-5 parts under a handful of new exteriors.
Everything else in Cheen are simple ToT in my humble opinion. NO ONE, including Cheen, could make every one of those thousands of precision parts and have them work together without the OEMs' input. Not possible.
Every Flanker variant from J-11B to J-15 to J-16 was branched off from the SU-27 project. I can guarantee you that Sukhoi were in on it every step of the way otherwise, the Russians would not be supplying engines for their three critical projects the J-20, J-31 and JF-17.
You think the Russians who turns the screws on India if we deviate a nut from the contract would just let Cheen copy endless variants of their precious Flanker? Bullshit. If Cheen really copied, then their "stealth" programs and their politically important FC-1 would be literally grounded without smoky engines to fly them.
The same goes for all their helo programs. Z-8 and Z-9 are nothing but ToT from Eurocopter. The fact that EC are involved in their current Z-11 and Z-15 projects means there were no contract conflicts.
Then there are the buying of foreign companies and talent. Read the story earlier in this thread of 2000 Ukrainian engine specialists being housed in Cheen.
You cannot RE modern systems. You could leverage your market and sign true Transfers of Technology into your own factories instead of screwdriver giri of parts made in phoren factories. You can buy foreign talent instead of paying for finished products.
But thinking you can RE a modern plane or a sub and then have those actually fly or sail without input from the OEM is pure horse manure.