China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 30 May 2018 23:02

the Dalian wide angle psyops shots are carefully composed to project the sense of a vast global power for which these large hulls are just pawns to be moved on global board like USN does .

a shot of norfolk virginia docks

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 01 Jun 2018 11:47

close looks at the J-20

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 01 Jun 2018 12:48

"Also, it is possible that the Chinese are flying the J-20 with radar reflectors attached to enlarge and conceal its true radar cross section during peacetime operations - just as the USAF routinely does with the F-22 and F-35," said Bronk.

For safety and training purposes, stealth aircraft often fly with markers that destroy their stealth during peacetime maneuvers.

If this is the case with the J-20s, then India may be in for an unpleasant surprise next time it tries to track the supposedly stealth jets.


The irony is if the Chinese jets are stealthy as they claim, they could have just carried out their testing without the reflectors and India would have been none the wiser!

There was no need to tell the world J20 is been tested in Tibet, is it?

The report thinks India wouldn't know to differentiate if a jet is carrying reflectors on it.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Jun 2018 15:39

How difficult is it to fit Luneburg reflective lenses on non Stealth aircraft and Su-57 to see the impact they have, given their size cant be adding more than .1sq mtr to .3 sq mtr to the aircraft radar size. Based on that calculations can be done to see what is the radar return without it?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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nam wrote:
"Also, it is possible that the Chinese are flying the J-20 with radar reflectors attached to enlarge and conceal its true radar cross section during peacetime operations - just as the USAF routinely does with the F-22 and F-35," said Bronk.

For safety and training purposes, stealth aircraft often fly with markers that destroy their stealth during peacetime maneuvers.

If this is the case with the J-20s, then India may be in for an unpleasant surprise next time it tries to track the supposedly stealth jets.


The irony is if the Chinese jets are stealthy as they claim, they could have just carried out their testing without the reflectors and India would have been none the wiser!

There was no need to tell the world J20 is been tested in Tibet, is it?

The report thinks India wouldn't know to differentiate if a jet is carrying reflectors on it.


They could have done both with and without the reflectors.

Who knows. All this is just assumption.

In fact, who knows if the ungainly underpowered thing could even take off from Tibet because according to the chini threads on PDF, the nearest the J-20 got to Tibet is Szechuan. lol

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 02 Jun 2018 09:57

If not flush rivets what is used in jsf ? Hidden glue ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 02 Jun 2018 12:12

Rivets are used in every aircraft manufactured but for LO aircraft its covered by fabric and RAM is applied over it

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby barath_s » 02 Jun 2018 14:06

China Daily reported May 26 on the successful drills that Chinese pilots in J-15 jets had recently conducted. They trained taking off and landing on the Liaoning aircraft carrier at night. Nice visuals

https://sputniknews.com/military/201805 ... t-landing/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby barath_s » 02 Jun 2018 14:09

Chinese manufacturer tweeting a short snippet on a collaborative test with 56 unmanned vessels. Swarm tactics will be interesting in future

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/sta ... 7736885248

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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TSC/鑫精合 completed the manufacture of an ultra high-speed (hypersonic?) vehicle's titanium alloy frame-beam-integration airframe structure (the whole size of the main structure is 7XXXmm×2XXXmm×1XXXmm) with laser additive maufacturing technology, which only took 6 months.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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OPV Sumedha lurking off Male

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 03 Jun 2018 13:43

we could use some 50 more OPV of this class, to flood the IOR with our presence on a 365d basis.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 03 Jun 2018 22:45

Singha wrote:we could use some 50 more OPV of this class, to flood the IOR with our presence on a 365d basis.



Yes. Kinetic warfare happens very rarely. The rest of the time it is establishment of jurisdiction with your forces versus theirs. In the oceans, it is basically a race between the MICs because you can only establish a persistent presence at sea with ships and numbers do count.

If all you do is plan for war with all those best on market firangi systems and subsystems then you will lose the peace. We need a MIC. A corvette that we can mass-produce is critical to the MIC.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby anupmisra » 04 Jun 2018 00:08

In case you did not expect this and are not shivering already, "gobar swines" reports this:

China’s fighter jets perform ‘perfect combination’ training

China's three most advanced missile-carrying fighter jets have conducted combined combat training that a Chinese expert on Sunday called "perfect combinations."
Taking part in air defense penetration drills were China's most advanced J-20 stealth fighter jet, the J-16 multi-role strike fighter and the J-10C multi-role fighter jet, China Central Television (CCTV) reported.
"The three fighter jets… and the two missiles are perfect combinations," Song Zhongping, a military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Sunday.
First, the J-20 is capable of destroying a hostile air defense system
the J-10C can take over air supremacy while the J-16 can strike enemy ground forces
The drills reflected the true combat potential of the PLA Air Force


Perfect. 1, 2, 3, kick! All hail comrade eleven gin pegs for building an indestructible communist party airforce!

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1105292.shtml

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 04 Jun 2018 08:19

Does maldives ever get cyclones ? Male highest point is a bare 8 feet above sea level behind a seawall . Some hotel atolls not even that. How are they surviving ?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby hnair » 04 Jun 2018 10:45

Singha wrote:the Dalian wide angle psyops shots are carefully composed to project the sense of a vast global power for which these large hulls are just pawns to be moved on global board like USN does .

a shot of norfolk virginia docks

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And we are not even talking about Kitsap/Bremerton or other mooring places.... China's ill-thought out antics in psyops was kind of well covered by JRR Tolkein:

"A strong place and wonderful was Isengard, and long it had been beautiful [...]. But Saruman had slowly shaped it to his shifting purposes, and made it better, as he thought, being deceived - for all those arts and subtle devices, for which he forsook his former wisdom, and which fondly he imagined were his own, came but from Mordor; so that what he made was naught, only a little copy, a child's model or a slave's flattery, of that vast fortress, armoury, prison, furnace of great power, Barad-dûr, the Dark Tower, which suffered no rival, and laughed at flattery, biding its time, secure in its pride and its immeasurable strength."


Substitute Saruman with Tsinghua Clique and we kind of begin to understand why we are destined to watch this expensive drama at chinese people's expense, that is being orchestrated from across the oceans.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Khalsa » 04 Jun 2018 14:06

Singha wrote:Does maldives ever get cyclones ? Male highest point is a bare 8 feet above sea level behind a seawall . Some hotel atolls not even that. How are they surviving ?


At one point they did genuinely seek out to buy themselves some space in Madagascar or in Australia.
I believe the negotations were on for derelict useless land.

i.e buy yourself a nation.

Naturally, once the issues of sovereignty etc crept it they talks fell through.
They need to learn from the Chinese.

Buy some sand and dump it baby.
Build yourself some more land.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 04 Jun 2018 14:16

hnair wrote:
Singha wrote:the Dalian wide angle psyops shots are carefully composed to project the sense of a vast global power for which these large hulls are just pawns to be moved on global board like USN does .

a shot of norfolk virginia docks

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And we are not even talking about Kitsap/Bremerton or other mooring places.... China's ill-thought out antics in psyops was kind of well covered by JRR Tolkein:

"A strong place and wonderful was Isengard, and long it had been beautiful [...]. But Saruman had slowly shaped it to his shifting purposes, and made it better, as he thought, being deceived - for all those arts and subtle devices, for which he forsook his former wisdom, and which fondly he imagined were his own, came but from Mordor; so that what he made was naught, only a little copy, a child's model or a slave's flattery, of that vast fortress, armoury, prison, furnace of great power, Barad-dûr, the Dark Tower, which suffered no rival, and laughed at flattery, biding its time, secure in its pride and its immeasurable strength."


Substitute Saruman with Tsinghua Clique and we kind of begin to understand why we are destined to watch this expensive drama at chinese people's expense, that is being orchestrated from across the oceans.


LoL. I like the LotR analogy! But surely Amreeki cannot be Mordor or the Dark Tower!

America is more Aman, the Uttermost West, the abode of the golden haired Vanyar — highest of the high Elves — with their great Grey Ships.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 04 Jun 2018 14:33

Steve Bannon Weighs in on Trump's China Strategy


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Canada: PRC Is a Threat more than a Partner

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... re-partner

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Austin wrote:Steve Bannon Weighs in on Trump's China Strategy



Steve bannon is current administration thinking on China , China would do what is possible that Demps win the next election and DT looses mid term

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Manish_P » 04 Jun 2018 18:44

chola wrote:LoL. I like the LotR analogy! But surely Amreeki cannot be Mordor or the Dark Tower!

America is more Aman, the Uttermost West, the abode of the golden haired Vanyar — highest of the high Elves — with their great Grey Ships.


Do not let yourself be deceived by Annatar, the Lord of Gifts

He does not share power

Rest is Moh Maya :)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 04 Jun 2018 19:58

Manish_P wrote:
chola wrote:LoL. I like the LotR analogy! But surely Amreeki cannot be Mordor or the Dark Tower!

America is more Aman, the Uttermost West, the abode of the golden haired Vanyar — highest of the high Elves — with their great Grey Ships.


Do not let yourself be deceived by Annatar, the Lord of Gifts

He does not share power

Rest is Moh Maya :)


The Valar does not share power either but they are still great and good :)

I will use the ancient tome of The Silmarillion for my analogy:

Unkil is Aman.

Cheen is Numenor.

Numenor envied the Light of Aman. In her attempt to match the glory of the West, she built a great fleet.

Under their 25th Emperor Ar-Parazon, Numenor attempted to invade Aman with so many ships that their sails blotted out the Sun.

But their vanity was met with complete annihilation and Numenor sank below the waves. Her people scattered to Middle Earth.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby VinodTK » 05 Jun 2018 22:30

China just showed it has a new 'Dark Sword' fighter jet — and it's a nightmare for the US
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Justin Bronk, an air combat expert at the Royal United Services Institute, said the Dark Sword "represents a very different design philosophy" than US unmanned combat jet plans.

Bronk examined the photos available of the Dark Sword and concluded it appeared optimized for fast, supersonic flight as opposed to maximized stealth.

"The Chinese have gone with something that has a longer body, so it's stable in pitch. It's got these vertical, F-22 style vertical stabilizers" which suggest it's "geared towards supersonic performance and fighter-style capability."

Though the US once led in designing drones, it was caught off guard by militarized off-the-shelf drones used in combat in the Middle East. Now, once again, the US appears caught off guard by China moving on the idea of an unmanned fighter jet — an idea the US had and abandoned.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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What a bullshit, clickbait title. :rotfl:

Not an American fanboy, but the idea that a vague photo of a mockup of a plane in a Chinese workshop means that they have eclipsed the aviation prowess of a country that built and put into production usage the SR71 blackbird way back in the mid-sixties is a laughable attempt at psyops.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Karan M » 05 Jun 2018 23:48

Yep, same China making super advanced J-20s which have to be backed up by 4Gen Su-35s ..

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 06 Jun 2018 00:21

Bart S wrote:


What a bullshit, clickbait title. :rotfl:

Not an American fanboy, but the idea that a vague photo of a mockup of a plane in a Chinese workshop means that they have eclipsed the aviation prowess of a country that built and put into production usage the SR71 blackbird way back in the mid-sixties is a laughable attempt at psyops.



This is written by Americans for Americans. Not for desis so we can laugh all we want.

But they won’t.

They don’t care how much they are ahead by. If there is any remote possibility of a threat, they will take it seriously.

And increase their budget. At $650Billion, it is only three times Cheen’s and more than the next 7 nations combined so definitely room for improvement.

This is what makes them them and us us.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby SaiK » 06 Jun 2018 07:03

Aditya_V wrote:How difficult is it to fit Luneburg reflective lenses on non Stealth aircraft and Su-57 to see the impact they have, given their size cant be adding more than .1sq mtr to .3 sq mtr to the aircraft radar size. Based on that calculations can be done to see what is the radar return without it?


You can't reflect more than what you receive. If you modulate then the signatures are different. I dont think the chinese nor the westerners know our capabilities.

Let them keep guessing or fake on our observations. It will strengthen our observation capabilities.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby pankajs » 06 Jun 2018 09:58

http://www.ecns.cn/news/military/2018-0 ... 3941.shtml
Unmanned 'shark swarm' to be used in sea battles, military patrols
A Guangdong company has tested 56 unmanned boats and is working with the military to develop a "shark swarm" for sea battles and military patrols.

The unmanned drone-like vessels were tested in formation and demonstrated their potential for military use in the sea near Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, according to a statement the company sent to the Global Times on Tuesday.

The boats reportedly avoided islands and reefs, crossed bridges and tunnels, turned and changed their formation into the shape of an aircraft carrier with the slogan "civil-military."

South China-based manufacturer Yunzhou Tech is cooperating with the Chinese arms industry to put the "shark swarm" into the hands of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), the statement said.

Western military powers including the U.S. are developing unmanned equipment including "ant swarms" for land, "drone swarms" in the air and "shark swarms" on the sea, Yunzhou said.

"The institutes together will further develop unmanned vessel systematic devices for reconnaissance, command and attack and will form a 'shark swarm' with different battle functions."

Using artificial intelligence technology, the company vowed to promote the "shark swarm" to be used in daily duty and for real sea battles and to safeguard Chinese territorial waters all the time, the statement said.

Unmanned swarm boats can be used with high efficiency in escorting, mine sweeping, intelligence gathering and amphibious operations, thepaper.cn said.

"Once equipped with weapons, unmanned small combat vessels can attack the enemy in large numbers, similar to drones," Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

"A mother ship will control the swarm in combat, making them easy to deploy."

The number advantage means that even if some drone vessels malfunction or are jammed, others can continue, Li noted.

China is a world leader in the technology, Li said, and unmanned vessels will play a significant role in future naval warfare and aid China in safeguarding its sovereignty and territorial integrity in areas such as the South China Sea.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby pankajs » 06 Jun 2018 09:59

ChinaMed @ChinaMedit

Li Jie confirms Liaoning aircraft carrier can be hosted in the new pier build in the military base in #Djibouti http://mil.huanqiu.com/world/2018-06/12140326.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 06 Jun 2018 16:19

for Chola, a 3 cvn strike group in western pacific Nov 2017, the Jmsdf LPH Ise also join in with escorts. pretty much all the dozen or so ddg hulls were aegis ships plus usual escorts of subs, B1 bombers acting in concert from guam etc.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16 ... aiting-for

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 07 Jun 2018 17:26

^^^ Overwhelming firepower even against opponents such as Cheen (or Russia.) This is what a real Super Power does. Never underestimate an opponent always overestimate. Use a twenty-pound warhammer instead of your thumb to crush an ant on the off chance it has superpowers.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 07 Jun 2018 17:41

Intel tweet from French chini watcher:
https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1004412965905301504

Components for the third Chinese carrier are being assembled in a shed in Shanghai.

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We’ll probably see the carrier in drydock by end of year or next. Then two or three years after that it will be completed and at sea trials. The porki forum’s chini crowd said there are signs that Dalian is preparing for a carrier as well. Probably a sister to the one in Shanghai. They will be CATOBARs with possible EM cats.

This is the kind of planning that, as the reigning carrier and naval air power, we should have done decades ago as the original Vikrant and then Viraat were nearing retirement.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 07 Jun 2018 18:41

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 07 Jun 2018 19:57

^^^ That looks like the berths and docks for the destroyers. You can see at least five destroyers (possibly 7) with three Type 052Ds berthed for fitting and two 055s being constructed in the large drydock. There are the makings of two more DDGs in the section immediately in front of the 055s.

The docks and berths for the carriers are in another part of Dalian.

The destroyer building complex is featured here:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/amp21086031/china-naval-build-up/

This Is What a Real Naval Buildup Looks Like
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 09 Jun 2018 11:10

The hacking by Chinese has now become so rampant that they have taken away tons of thing in the past decade and US has not imposed a single sanction on China during the entire Obama/Trump era

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 09 Jun 2018 13:09

https://www.fifthdomain.com/cyber/2018/ ... gram-data/

The information stolen was stored on the contractor’s unclassified network despite being “highly sensitive nature,” according to information obtained by the Washington Post.

According to the report, 614 gigabytes of material on a closely held project known as Sea Dragon were taken. Contracted for the military organization Naval Undersea Warfare Center, Sea Dragon aims to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines.


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