China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 10 Aug 2018 07:49

Singha wrote:3 large LPH ships under construction. will be useful for flag staff, sea control and ASW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_075_ ... opter_dock


Yah, these are one of the unverified “rumors” (meaning no pictures) that are probably going to happen.

Here are the five big ones that’ll emerge in the next years that will surprise no one in the chini watchers community:

https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/5-pla-navy-projects-to-watch-in-the-next-5-years/

5 major Chinese naval projects likely to emerge within the next five years

By Rick Joe
August 07, 2018


. . .

To be neat, this piece will consider five major naval projects likely to emerge and become confirmed within the next five years.

1: The 054B frigate
The ship is expected to feature improved sensors and a more stealthy external shape, with the inclusion of an integrated mast . . . The 054B is also thought to be the first class of warship in the PLA Navy to field an integrated electric propulsion system,

2: 075 LHD
The 075 is thought to have a full displacement less than 40,000 tons, perhaps around 36,000-38,000 tons . . . the largest non-U.S. LHD or LHA by a significant margin . . . it is thought that three 075s have been ordered by the PLA Navy, with initial work on the first two having commenced within the last year or more . . . Considering the timespan in which the rumors about the lead 075’s construction began to emerge, it is likely that photo confirmation of the lead 075 will be attained within the next year or so,

3: 003 CATOBAR carrier
it may take a year or so until photographic proof emerges that a carrier is indisputably under construction at JNCX . . . Most enticing is the recent rumor that a second . . . CATOBAR . . . carrier . . . may be in early stages of construction at Dalian shipyard as well,

4: 5th generation carrier-borne fighter
Two competing designs for the carrier-borne fifth generation fighter are known to be under development, one at Chengdu and one at Shenyang, with the Navy yet to decide on a design . . . Shenyang is thought to be offering an upsized carrier compatible variant of its FC-31 technology demonstrator, whereas it has been suggested Chengdu may be developing a smaller variant of J-20 or a brand new design,

5: Fixed wing carrier-borne AEW&C
As a fixed wing, propeller driven AEW&C platform like the E-2 family, it will have to be launched from catapults to achieve safe take off performance and a satisfactory mission profile; therefore the KJ/H-600 will only be adopted aboard Chinese CATOBAR carriers . . . An aircraft mock up consistent with the configuration of JZY-01 and the expected KJ/H-600 was first sighted aboard the carrier test facility at Wuhan in early 2017, all but confirming that such an aircraft is likely to emerge in the immediate future.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 10 Aug 2018 20:24

The Type 075 stuff got me into looking into this story I saw last month:

http://www.atimes.com/article/why-china-could-be-after-the-f-35b/amp/

Why China could be after the F-35B aircraft technology

The arrest, and release, of a British engineer has led to speculation about a stealth fighter that can do short take-offs and vertical landings

By STEPHEN BRYEN
JUNE 26, 2018 2:06 PM


When the British government ordered the arrest of Bryn Jones, 73, a former combustion technologist, it took place under the Official Secrets Act of the UK.

Jones was arrested at his home in Derbyshire, his home searched and computers and other items removed. A few hours after the arrest Jones, the former Chief Combustion Engineer for Rolls Royce, was released.

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Jones worked at Rolls Royce from 1968 to 2003, but since retiring from the company operated his own business, a consultancy called Kausis, and recently had been teaching advanced combustion theory in China at the Aeronautical University of Xi’an, known as XAAU.

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Xi’an is the home of the Xi’an Aircraft Industrial Corporation, which builds commercial and military aircraft, in the latter case primarily bombers.

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One can only speculate on what Beijing would want to learn from Jones outside of academic information on combustion technology. Speculation around the very public arrest focuses entirely on Britain’s new F-35B aircraft, the first four of which recently arrived in the UK.

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The F-35B is a vertical take off aircraft whose remarkable engine assembly can lift the 20-ton F-35B from a ship’s deck. The technology was developed by Rolls Royce based on a patented shaft-driven LiftFan® propulsion system and an engine that can swivel 90 degrees when in short take-off/vertical landing mode.

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China would surely be interested in this design for its emerging new stealth aircraft and for its aircraft carriers, one that is already in operation and another that is in sea trials. China is now building the Type 075 amphibious assault ship, a 40,000-ton vessel with a length of 820 feet, or 250 meters.



I don’t think the PRC is building three 38K tons LHAs just for helos. They will make a play for a STOVL. The question is whether they are successful. I think we will see a J-18 or something like that in the coming years as well.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 10 Aug 2018 21:13

China’s other mystery stealth bomber: Our analysis

https://hushkit.net/2018/04/14/chinas-o ... -analysis/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 04:13

Chini Type 96 breaks down in Tank Biathlon semi-finals! They had a wheel fall off in a previous Biathlon LoL



Though even with the breakdown they are going to the finals against the rooskies. But the video is hilarious.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Aug 2018 12:01

Again? This seems to be the old video

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 12:35

^^^ No, this is from this year. The chini Type 96 this year is in blue camo. The old one where the wheel came off was tan camo.

Not bringing up old stuff just to diss them. They still ended up second the year the wheel came off and they are in the finals again this year. But just pointing out that their stuff break down too.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 13:20

Is it me or the Chini tanks don't seem to have placeholder for ERA on the front of the hull? like the ones we find on our T-72/90 or Arjun?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Neshant » 11 Aug 2018 17:21

Trying to eradicate them as a cultural group and turn them into brain dead drones.

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China holds million ethnic Uighurs in secret political camps

UN estimates that 2 million :eek: Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into political camps in Xinjiang.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 362471.cms

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 11 Aug 2018 18:22

Neshant wrote:Trying to eradicate them as a cultural group and turn them into brain dead drones.

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China holds million ethnic Uighurs in secret political camps

UN estimates that 2 million :eek: Uighurs and Muslim minorities were forced into political camps in Xinjiang.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 362471.cms


Now, I can say I condemn them for this and say thank goodness that India would never do this.

But that would be a lie. Sometimes I wish we could do this before we are overrun in Assam and East Bengal and across much of the border with Beedee.

Sometimes I wish we could deal with the Kashmiris in the same fashion. To be perfectly honest.

One thing we found out from the Burmese and Cheen is that yellows do not accord the same tolerance of muzzie intolerance as we do.

So we will never do this and perhaps it is a good thing?

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby nam » 11 Aug 2018 20:22

We should be printing posters about this and paste them in Pakland and wait for the holy war to start.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby pankajs » 12 Aug 2018 14:41

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... ghter-jets
China’s air force quietly adds new J-16 fighter jets to ‘push the envelope’

China’s air force announced last week that a squadron of J-16s would soon be combat ready. Based on the Russian Sukhoi-30 fighter jet, the J-16 was introduced around 2012 to 2013 but did not make its official debut until a year ago, during a military parade marking the 90th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army. Powered by a Chinese WS-10 Taihang turbofan engine, the fighter jet has been compared to the US F-15A/C Eagle.

Military observers say they have noticed more J-16s entering service recently, based on the serial numbers seen on fighter jets used in recent drills – evidence that the PLA Air Force is quietly adding to its squadron.

The multirole aircraft is the first of its kind that can carry a full range of Chinese-built equipment, from anti-ship missiles and air-to-air missiles to satellite-guided smart bombs, cruise missiles and electronic countermeasure (ECM) jammers. The fighter jets can be used for both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.

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“The J-16 will at least fulfil a role as a key stopgap before the J-20 and J-31 [stealth fighters] can be produced in sufficient numbers. These two new-generation jets would be too expensive to mass produce in the necessary numbers required to fully modernise the PLA Air Force’s combat fleet. Hence, the J-16 is crucial to bridge this gap,” he said.

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“The J-16 would play an important role in a campaign against Taiwan or in deterring the US Navy from intervening,” Ni said, but added the J-16’s weak engine design would restrict its attacking ability.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 12 Aug 2018 16:53

weak engines can be replaced with better ones later, whats important is they have a full spectrum capable plane in production and flying .. now

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 13 Aug 2018 00:09

kit wrote:weak engines can be replaced with better ones later, whats important is they have a full spectrum capable plane in production and flying .. now


They also have a history of sticking it out with indigenous programs no matter the weaknesses.

The WS-10 irregardless of how much it sucks is theirs and they are determined to make it usable, one iteration at a time.

According to French chini watcher Henri Kenhmann, the WS-10 “C” variant has now been qualified for the J-20 which will now be the “A” variant. WS-10C on J-20A.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1028651753820975111

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Aug 2018 09:32

From Aviadarts 2018:

JH-7A crew among those happy with “Number 1” placards in strike contest. Opponents included the SU-34 and SU-24.
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J-10A crew less enthusiastic about “Number 2” award after loss to SU-35 in fighters event.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Aug 2018 10:16

Looking at the Pics, Can that refueling pod welded in at that angle on the J-10A put with high G forces, looks more like psy-ops here than genuine comptetion. and the J10A rear wheels are much shorter than its front wheels, almost like WWII aircraft. Looks like it need the angle to help generate extra lift for take off.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 14 Aug 2018 23:13

^^^ Kind of hard to get buy-in from the Russkies on being the willing patsies for some chini psyops. Gori pride would not allow them to be second to yellows willingly. They were beaten fair and square, IMHO.

We should have been there to confirm.

And to collect intelligence.

And to give a healthy beating to both russkies and chinis.

2017 Aviadarts results.
http://alert5.com/2017/08/10/china-is-overall-champion-for-aviadarts-2017-su-35-beats-j-10b/
The Chinese team’s JH-7A, JZ-8DF, H-6K, Z-10K came in first in their own categories. Russia beat China in the fighter category with the Su-35. The Su-25CM, Il-76M and Mi-8 are the other Russian winners.


Still looking for results from this year. All I know so far is JH-7A won (again), SU-35 won (again) over the J-10 (this time the A variant.)

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Aug 2018 18:05

Russia takes first place in Aviadarts military pilots’ contest at Army-2017 Games

And these are about 2017 excercises

Our team has taken the first place in the contest. It was a hot contest. Chinese pilots demonstrated their best but our pilots have no peers," he said, adding that Chinese pilots won as many prizes as Russian pilots in the team medal standing, so the Aviadarts winner cups were awarded to the captains of both teams.


this smells all about Russians trying to keep selling to the Chinese, the world was and still fooled with "reverse Engineering".


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