China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby MeshaVishwas » 23 Nov 2019 14:37

Interesting watch:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Kartik » 25 Nov 2019 13:02

China is now offering the J-10C on the export market, under the designation FC-20E

Dubai Airshow 2019- China's Chengdu promotes J-10C export variant

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The Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC), one of two major fighter aircraft design and production centres in the People’s Republic of China (PRC), revealed the export variant of its J-10 fighter at the 17-21 November Dubai Airshow. Designated the FC-20E, the design is a near-parallel configuration of the J-10C, the third major iteration of the aircraft.

Photographs of the J-10C that circulated on Chinese aviation websites in October showed the aircraft still flying in factory primer, suggesting it is only in the initial stages of series-production.

It differs considerably from the original J-10A, most notably in its power plant. The initial J-10 batches have the Russian Salyut-made AL-31FN Series 3, a derivative of the engine installed in the Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30MKK purchased by China.

The installation of the AL-31F in the J-10A required the Salyut plant’s design team to rotate the gearbox and accessory pack to the underside of the engine. The aircraft’s air intake also had to be a quadrangular shape like that of the Su-27 inlet.

In contrast, the J-10C is reported to be powered with the Chinese-made Wo Shan (WS)-10A engine and features a diverterless, oblong-shaped air inlet. The CAC design team has also demonstrated the aircraft flying with an axisymmetric thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle and a modified nozzle that should reduce the rear hemisphere radar cross section. A J-10C pre-production aircraft in this configuration flew at the November 2018 Air Show China in Zhuhai.

The J-10C is also equipped with an active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar, a new avionics suite, and electronic warfare (EW) modules.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 27 Nov 2019 20:54

Cheen has two jacks-of-all-trades platforms in the two-engined Y-7 and four-engined Y8/Y9 that they can mount anything on from SigInt to ASW to AEW.

Both are iterations of aircraft copied 60 years ago from the USSR -- AN-24 and AN-12.
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These photos taken on 27. November 2019 show a MA-60 remote sensing aircraft delivered to the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) for aerial observation missions. Altogether two aircraft were handed over.

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On 24. October 2019, there were 6 Y-8Q ASW and a single KJ-500H AEW aircraft spotted at Shanghai-Dachang assigned to the 1st Naval Air Division, East China Sea Fleet Naval Air Force.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby vishvak » 27 Nov 2019 20:58

The installation of the AL-31F in the J-10A required the Salyut plant’s design team to

Just a point there. We can buy transport aircrafts but fighter jets where some elbow room for one more option for engine could be considered.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 27 Nov 2019 21:19

vishvak wrote:
The installation of the AL-31F in the J-10A required the Salyut plant’s design team to

Just a point there. We can buy transport aircrafts but fighter jets where some elbow room for one more option for engine could be considered.


We did the same with the LCA. The Kaveri was supposed to be the initial production engine for the LCA until the airframe and engine were decoupled later. The initial prototypes were always powered by the F404 so there was "elbow" room for the Kaveri. That elbow room might still be there today if the Kaveri ever matures.

As for buying phoren transports, it creates corruption opportunities and delays. Take the Netra AEW program. Scandal with the Embraer selection means we will likely terminate the program at three on that platform. This is after it had proved itself on the battlefield on February.

A domestic platform that is readily available and where everyone expects to design for would facilitate development in my opinion. Again with Netra, the program was delayed 7 years with IAF/DRDO wrangling over which phoren platform a major factor. And then with the Embraer bribing that delayed system will likely to be capped at a ridiculously small number of just three.

All this could be avoided with a locally produced platform like the C295 IMHO as long as people are made to develop for a MII mass production and not a lab project with a handful of samples composed of imported parts.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Karan M » 28 Nov 2019 02:36

You are looking at industrial benefits. The IAF wants to maximize its combat performance, ergo non starter until they change their mind.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby mahadevbhu » 28 Nov 2019 08:22

Karan M wrote:You are looking at industrial benefits. The IAF wants to maximize its combat performance, ergo non starter until they change their mind.


Industrial benefits are a GoI subject. So unless they specifically want it - and they are good with imports- it won't happen.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 29 Nov 2019 15:43

^^^ For nuclear-armed powers like Cheen, and I would argue India too, industrial benefits should outpace those for warfighting.

Wars between great powers are few and far in between. Between nuclear-armed foes they can't last beyond a few skirmishes before the BOMB impacts decisions and everyone backs off.

But competition between the industries of great nations goes on every second whether or not there is war. In the 99.999% of the time where peace reigns, the nation with the better production wins over the one with the better warfighting formations.

The Chini MIC pumps out so much machines during peacetime that Cheen simply overwhelms opposition in contested territory like an endless herd of buffalo. A single buffalo cannot and does intend to fight but in numbers they will simply crowd out everyone else. And those masses of horns and hoofs discourage anyone else from fighting them. No one wants to go to war with Cheen even though it is widely acknowledge that their warfighting capability is quite low and their experience is non-existent.

Unless you are willing to initiate war, having great warfighting capability does not prevent losing contested territory, the global commons and influence during peace time.

In places that can only be accessed by machines like the oceans, especially in blue waters and in the arctics, the MIC is all important.

It will be even more important once nations start to put stakes on the moon and in space. Unless we can mass produce the machines needed to go there, we'll be sidelined. It is matter of time before that the contest for space begin in earnest.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 01 Dec 2019 16:55

Since the unveiling of the Z-20 Copyhawk, I have a new found interest in their helo industry. Identifying models and variants is like researching fauna from their eco-system.

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The chini helo industry is basically FRENCH.

The AC311 is the civilian version of the Z-11 which is actually a licensed Ecureuil.
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The AC313 is a civvy version of the Z-8 which is ToT of the Super Frelon. The Z-8G and Z-8L are two of many variants.
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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 03 Dec 2019 17:04

Admin note: looks like you have already two warnings. Report such posts instead of causing a silly racket

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 03 Dec 2019 17:12

Cheen is drone crazy. Someone posted in one of the other forums that the PRC has the largest gaming population on earth by far that is composed of soft, spoiled, single-child little emperors who lend themselves far more to sitting in front of a monitor with a joystick than actually flying a manned aircraft. The future path can't be clearer where the PLAAF and PLAN will end up.

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And again one new UAV: For the first time an ELINT-variant of the GJ-2 Wing Loong II UCAV was seen. In contrast to the regular armed variant, it features several antennas installed underneath the fuselage as well under its wings plus a conformal array on the side of the fuselage.


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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 03 Dec 2019 17:34

J-20As and J-10Cs coming off Chengdu assembly line with new WS-10B variant.

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A J-20A powered by WS-10B was spotted again at CAC.

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And similar to the WS-10B powered J-20A, also another J-10C + WS-10B in full reheat.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 03 Dec 2019 17:43

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/navy ... 191203.htm
Chinese vessel was operating in Indian waters sans permission: Navy chief
December 03, 2019
Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Karambir Singh on Tuesday said that the Indian Navy drove away a Chinese vessel Shi Yan 1 as it was operating in the Indian waters without permission.
"Our stand is that if you have to work in our Exclusive Economic Zone, you have to take our permission," he said while reacting to a question by ANI on why Chinese vessel Shi Yan 1 was asked to leave Indian waters.
Earlier, it was reported that the Indian Navy recently drove away a suspicious Chinese vessel operating in the Indian waters near Port Blair.
The Chinese research vessel Shi Yan 1 was carrying out research activities in the Indian waters near Port Blair in Andaman and Nicobar Islands and was detected by maritime surveillance aircraft operating there, government sources told ANI.
Sources said the vessel could have also been used by the Chinese to spy on the Indian activities in the Island territory from where India can keep a close eye on the maritime movements in the IOR and South-East Asian region.
After the vessel was detected by the agencies and found out that it was carrying out research activities in the Indian Exclusive Economic Zone, an Indian Navy warship was sent there to monitor it.
Since laws do not allow foreign countries to carry out any research or exploration activities in the Indian EEZ, the Indian Navy warship asked the Chinese research vessel to move out of Indian waters.
After being cautioned by the Indian Navy, the Chinese Shi Yan 1 vessel left Indian waters and moved to its other destination probably towards China, the sources said.
Admiral Singh also said that the Navy is procuring 41 ships and its long-term plan is to have three aircraft carriers.
Speaking at an annual press conference, Admiral Singh also assured the nation that the Navy is fully prepared to deal with national security challenges.
The Navy's annual budget allocation has come down from 18 per cent to 13 per cent in the last five years, he noted.
On the challenges in the neighbourhood, he said no action of any other player in the region should impact us.
"We are ready to work with like-minded nations in the region," he said.
Seven to eight Chinese ships are usually present in Indian Ocean region, Admiral Singh noted.
The Navy chief also said India is playing a stabilising role in the Indo-Pacific region.
Admiral Singh said that the force is fully committed to 'Make in India' vision and underlined that since December 2018, close to 88 per cent of Indian Navy's contracts and acceptance of necessity (AoN) by value have been concluded with or accorded to Indian vendors.
"Navy is fully committed to 'Make in India' vision. Since December 2018, close to 88 per cent of our contracts and AoN by value have been concluded with or accorded to Indian vendors," he said while addressing the Navy Day press conference in New Delhi.
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