Army strikes terror camps in PoK

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Aditya G » 29 Sep 2016 21:54

Received on WhatsApp .... Not quotable source.

Bhai log more were killed than 38 (these were the ones they could count, there were many who were shredded to bits due to use of weapons like RPO flame throwers, Carl Gustafs etc. He says these guys were the stragglers who escaped the main camps that were targeted during the previous covert strike on the main camps (my guess is they were targeted with arty). The main camps were deeper in POK around (12-20km) Those pigs who escaped the first onslaught were then painstakingly tracked through drones/comms to well disguised newly erected made shift launching pads. IA decided to share their movements over the last days with PMO. With the porkis playing cry baby and playa hating on the international forum, IA/PMO decided that this message should be made loud and clear.

A platoon of Paras went in silent, HAHO from well inside our territory. Their target was 3 launching pads deeper into POK, around 2-3km in. These were the larger groups, around 12 pigs at each site. Paras wasted them quietly, they didn't know what hit em, they wasted the sentries with silenced sniper shots and most were slaughtered in their sleep.. Ghataks from Dogra and Bihar opened up fire on the posts near 3 launching pads closer to the LOC (around 600m-1.2km in), the adjoining posts were destroyed rapidly :shoot:, this is where around 6-12 PA manning the posts were killed, Porkis only claim 2 PA killed, bet its 2 bodies they could recover, the rest would have been mulch.

After turning the posts to rubble, Ghataks crossed over and destroyed the 3 launching pads where they killed smaller fidayeen squads of around 6 terrorists each. Ghataks went in loud, watching them close in with heavy fire at the 3rd launching pad, it appears one of the pigs blew himself up taking half his squad with him. :rofl:The death toll inflicted by the Ghataks is not clear because they used volleys from grenade launchers, RPO flame thrower, carl gustaf. A Ghatak got close enough to stab 2 bunched pigs with his bare hands.

While the op was coming to a close, it appears a couple of truck loads of SSG BATs & Rangers were sent in for reinforcements but when they arrived and saw the volume of fire coming from the Ghataks, they got back in their trucks and ran. Ghataks then covered the Para's egress back.

Final, estimate of toll is between 60-70 killed including at least 6-12 PA.

I am glad they decided to make it public. Paltan ki ijjat especially for Bihar and Dogra restored, they will however keep a low profile because there was nothing surgical about their role. Their role was much more akin to a hammer coming down hard. the sheer speed and brute force of Ghataks in their role was some of the most beautiful IR drone footage caught in his recent memory. While the paras were surgical, they apparently looked so routine, like they had done it a thousands time before (and they have).

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby RoyG » 29 Sep 2016 21:57

Eh it's all bullshit. Well most of it anyway. I doubt truckloads of SSG and rangers came. Not possible for all this to leak like this.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Christopher Sidor » 29 Sep 2016 21:58

Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment. Terrorist entered and killed 18 Indian Soldiers and how many PakiLands soldiers have we killed? 2. If somehow we are trying to send a message to Pakistani Army then the message that has gone out is that the cost to Pakistani Army is minimal. 2 soldiers for 18 a 1:9 ratio is not bad. At this rate India would have to loose 4.5 million soldiers just so that Pakistani army looses 500000 soldiers. We have not hurt the Pakistani Army in any manner. Nor have we increased the cost to the Pakistani Corp Commanders.

Forget about reclaiming our Lost territories. Forget about avenging our dead soldiers. Forget about increasing the cost to Pakistani Army. Forget about raising the cost to Pakistan. Just as Mushraaf was invited by Vajpayee after Kargil and was pampered like a Mughal emperor, this ruling establishment would invite the current Pakistani PM back if not the Pakistani Army CoAS. The very same PM who had called the terrorist Burhan Muzaffar Wani a young leader and not a terrorist would now be feted by our political establishment.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Tejas.P » 29 Sep 2016 21:59

shiv wrote:Pakis have a Catch 22 situation. If they captured a soldier it means that they are accepting that Indian soldiers crossed the LoC. If they captured him inside India it means that they have violated the border. That story is dead.


Absolutely agree sir. Pak has to be wary of responding overtly to this with their "official" armed forces as this will trigger an immediate and punitive backlash by IA. Also the silence from western govts and China is telling even tho the story has been reported on in multiple western outlets.

India has finally taken the strategic initiative to completely ostracize pak from the international community and so tactical strikes like these can be used to safeguard our homeland from terrorist infil.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby pankajs » 29 Sep 2016 22:00

Per First post, India has briefed about 25 foreign mission after the news was made public.

Folks understand, such briefings will not be conducted just as a ruse. Some nations like the US/UK have significant intel capacity to verify ground situation.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby rajpa » 29 Sep 2016 22:00

Dawn should stick to their false story. IA will need exercises for tomorrow morning. We can get 10 abduls in exchange. Fun and games. :twisted:

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby ShauryaT » 29 Sep 2016 22:01

OK, I posted just before the news of the attack, asking time will tell, if we have a Kshatriya or Bania or Chanakya in power. The question has been answered. We have a Kshatriya in power. Need that spirit of the kshatriya to stay alive. It is the key to our nation's destiny. Jai Hind.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby shiv » 29 Sep 2016 22:04

Reposting my post from 22 sept
viewtopic.php?p=2047910#p2047910
So while I wait - let me re introduce what was actually a complete thread about 10 yrs ago- "Think like a Paki"

If I was a Paki - all my defences would be on full alert when I am sending terrorists out on a raid into India and I would be doubly alert if the raid succeeds - in case India actually responds - which it has not done since 1999

So now India has not responded instantly so what would I (a Paki) think. When will the response come?

Now that Pakis are on alert they will not de alert for a bit. But till when? Watching the political talk it seems that Modi is trying to "isolate Pakistan". That means Sushma Swaraj's speech at the UNGA will have to happen "later this week". So there will be no retribution before that and the alert has to last till after Smt Swaraj's speech.

Till then chai biskoot only


Now FWIW
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... dXNSJ.html
HT Exclusive: India held back strike till Sushma’s UN speech

India waited for external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj to deliver her address at the United Nations General Assembly before carrying out “surgical strikes” across the Line of Control, a source said on Thursday.

“We first focused on a diplomatic offensive. Sushmaji’s speech was a key element of that. And that had constrained us for ten days,” the top political source told Hindustan Times explaining the time lag between the Uri attack of September 18 and India’s response on Thursday morning.

The idea was to use the UNGA to expose Pakistan’s role as a sponsor of terror in the speech given by Swaraj on Monday evening.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Gus » 29 Sep 2016 22:05

RoyG wrote:I'm sure they planned for every response/outcome.

But to expect Pakistan to sit on their hands is foolish.


i do expect them to not do anything effective.

there is no evidence that they actually plan for every response/outcome.

these are the people who did 65, 99 etc with not even an exit plan other than get massa to involve.

this is a shocker to them, and until now, their only response has been whine to massa and have susan rice call doval.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Sep 2016 22:07




Outstanding exposition by ex-chief Vikram Singh.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby salaam » 29 Sep 2016 22:07

Christopher Sidor wrote:Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment.


Was waiting for such talk from Harpal Bector. Notice comment is very similar to one in this video.
youtube video of Maroof


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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby arshyam » 29 Sep 2016 22:11

Looks like a fake account. Note the spelling...

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby kit » 29 Sep 2016 22:13

After all India is fighting for every other country out there that is affected by terrorism .. everyone will be applauding that privately at least .. Now comes the real deal ..will pakistan get overt with its actions or content itself with pushing terrorists in .. but this has been a huge game changer.. they will need to take their terror camps much behind the borders in sanctuary of army bases . One thing that will happen is they will no longer have any plausible deniability . Also now that the IA robust response is public ..the next pakistani action will also meet with retaliation !!.. .. The bakis are in trouble ..serious one only .. if Modi decides no Indus water they will have to take it just like that " Blood and Water will not flow together" .. these chaps will be seriously isolated and Modi will make any retaliatory action from Pakistan so dangerously expensive that they will have to eat their battlefield nukes to survive !

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby shiv » 29 Sep 2016 22:13

Christopher Sidor wrote:Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment. Terrorist entered and killed 18 Indian Soldiers and how many PakiLands soldiers have we killed? 2. If somehow we are trying to send a message to Pakistani Army then the message that has gone out is that the cost to Pakistani Army is minimal. 2 soldiers for 18 a 1:9 ratio is not bad. At this rate India would have to loose 4.5 million soldiers just so that Pakistani army looses 500000 soldiers. We have not hurt the Pakistani Army in any manner. Nor have we increased the cost to the Pakistani Corp Commanders.

Forget about reclaiming our Lost territories. Forget about avenging our dead soldiers. Forget about increasing the cost to Pakistani Army. Forget about raising the cost to Pakistan. Just as Mushraaf was invited by Vajpayee after Kargil and was pampered like a Mughal emperor, this ruling establishment would invite the current Pakistani PM back if not the Pakistani Army CoAS. The very same PM who had called the terrorist Burhan Muzaffar Wani a young leader and not a terrorist would now be feted by our political establishment.

Yeah. Whatever..

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Rakesh » 29 Sep 2016 22:14

arshyam wrote:Looks like a fake account. Note the spelling...

Who cares about the account. The picture is of significance. Next we need to cut the chicken's head off. Fantastic job by the Indian Army. Thank You PM Modi!!

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Christopher Sidor wrote:Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment. Terrorist entered and killed 18 Indian Soldiers and how many PakiLands soldiers have we killed? 2. If somehow we are trying to send a message to Pakistani Army then the message that has gone out is that the cost to Pakistani Army is minimal. 2 soldiers for 18 a 1:9 ratio is not bad. At this rate India would have to loose 4.5 million soldiers just so that Pakistani army looses 500000 soldiers. We have not hurt the Pakistani Army in any manner. Nor have we increased the cost to the Pakistani Corp Commanders.

Forget about reclaiming our Lost territories. Forget about avenging our dead soldiers. Forget about increasing the cost to Pakistani Army. Forget about raising the cost to Pakistan. Just as Mushraaf was invited by Vajpayee after Kargil and was pampered like a Mughal emperor, this ruling establishment would invite the current Pakistani PM back if not the Pakistani Army CoAS. The very same PM who had called the terrorist Burhan Muzaffar Wani a young leader and not a terrorist would now be feted by our political establishment.


we need PA bases to be hit - not disposable jihadi assets and PA proxies.
BJP is claiming that modi has fulfilled the promise - has he, I dont think so.

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Postby CRamS » 29 Sep 2016 22:15

I don't think TSP captured any soldier. Had they done so, they would have been parading him on TV. They look for half a chance to grab some poor Indian like they did with Kulbushan Yadav, and they would not have missed this opportunity.

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Postby Karthik S » 29 Sep 2016 22:16

Marooz Raza has tears in his eyes in one of TN video. He must have carried heavy heart for a long time.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Singha » 29 Sep 2016 22:17

Pakis usually have a good plan A on paper

But no plan B if things do work as they expect.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Amol.d » 29 Sep 2016 22:18

NDTV made a statement that an indian soldier had inadvertently crossed the LoC and was taken into custody. THis was not related to the operation. Such incidents happen and there is a mechanism to resolve them.

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Postby Rakesh » 29 Sep 2016 22:19

Singha wrote:Pakis usually have a good plan A on paper

But no plan B if things do work as they expect.

Pakis make tactical plans, but never strategic plans. They only focus on short term goals.

Operation Gibraltor, 1965 - Failure
Annexing Siachen in the 80s - Failure
Operation Badr, Kargil, 1999 - Failure
Nurturing Terrorism - Failure

In each of the above scenarios - and others - they did not think through of the bigger picture.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Baikul » 29 Sep 2016 22:20

Baki Fauj is in a bind. They have to escalate and do something 'big'. Claiming won't fix it, not any more.

If they do escalate, they're @Xcked six ways from Sunday, unable to match up to IA's further retaliation or to international buggery.

If they only claim to escalate, how long before Baki public stops believing them?

If they don't escalate, well, they may as well go home and take an aspirin.

China is probably the crucial factor in their calculations.

My guess is that the brave Raheel Shareef will do what a Baki warrior does when facing a challenge- put on his war face, lace up his war boots and march! To Islamabad my boys! The enemy lies within!

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Marten » 29 Sep 2016 22:22

It appears the Pakis have one of ours. Flashing on NDTV.

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Postby habal » 29 Sep 2016 22:24

due to constraint of resources and lack of strategic depth, they have little scope for comeback if conflict enlarges scope beyond their horizons. I feel even their imagination is curtailed because of hiring staff & personal from narrow talent pool in certain areas of pakjab which is called the 'martial belt'. Jhelum, Potohar, Chakwal etc, if you keep recruiting from this narrow base, even their imagination is bound to get constrained. Nowadays I feel, I am thinking better than their generals combined regarding what solutions they can come up with. They are that pathetic.

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Postby Karthik S » 29 Sep 2016 22:24

TIMES NOWVerified account
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Reports of killing of 8 Indian Army men in section of Pak media is completely false & baseless: Indian Army sources (PTI)

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Postby GShankar » 29 Sep 2016 22:28

Rakesh wrote:
arshyam wrote:Looks like a fake account. Note the spelling...

Who cares about the account. The picture is of significance. Next we need to cut the chicken's head off. Fantastic job by the Indian Army. Thank You PM Modi!!


It says it is a fan account.

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Postby Ashok Sarraff » 29 Sep 2016 22:28

Pakistanis are akin to Joker in the Batman Dark Knight: like a dog who chases the cars, but does not know what to when the car actually stops. The Indian car has stopped now, and the Pakistanis do not know what to do with it.

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Postby Marten » 29 Sep 2016 22:29

Amol D, is the mechanism at unit level or division or higher? Hope they didn't abduct one of ours and forced our hand.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby shiv » 29 Sep 2016 22:29

habal wrote:due to constraint of resources and lack of strategic depth, they have little scope for comeback if conflict enlarges scope beyond their horizons. I feel even their imagination is curtailed because of hiring staff & personal from narrow talent pool in certain areas of pakjab which is called the 'martial belt'. Jhelum, Potohar, Chakwal etc, if you keep recruiting from this narrow base, even their imagination is bound to get constrained. Nowadays I feel, I am thinking better than their generals combined regarding what solutions they can come up with. They are that pathetic.

Two related points
1. Afghan army said 240,000 Paki men on the Western border
2. Paki jernail says "No need to move anyone from West"

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Postby abhijitm » 29 Sep 2016 22:29

May god give him courage to endure the pain.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Sep 2016 22:31

Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 12m12 minutes ago
One #Indian #soldier with weapon has inadvertently crossed over to the other side of the LoC. #Pakistan has been informed about it: sources.

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Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 11m11 minutes ago
Such inadvertent crossing by Army and civilians not unusual on either side. They are returned through existing mechanisms: sources.

Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 8m8 minutes ago
Such inadvertent crossing by #Army and #civilians not unusual on either side. They are returned through existing mechanisms: sources.

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Postby Amol.d » 29 Sep 2016 22:32

Marten wrote:Amol D, is the mechanism at unit level or division or higher? Hope they didn't abduct one of ours and forced our hand.

All channels reported that now but didnt give it much bhaav. so seems like an unfortunate coincidence? there are crevices and canals and jungles along the patrolling routes and soldiers get lost and end up on the other side... guess it can happen. but will leave it for the gurus to analyse

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Postby rsingh » 29 Sep 2016 22:33

Christopher Sidor wrote:Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment. Terrorist entered and killed 18 Indian Soldiers and how many PakiLands soldiers have we killed? 2. If somehow we are trying to send a message to Pakistani Army then the message that has gone out is that the cost to Pakistani Army is minimal. 2 soldiers for 18 a 1:9 ratio is not bad. At this rate India would have to loose 4.5 million soldiers just so that Pakistani army looses 500000 soldiers. We have not hurt the Pakistani Army in any manner. Nor have we increased the cost to the Pakistani Corp Commanders.

Forget about reclaiming our Lost territories. Forget about avenging our dead soldiers. Forget about increasing the cost to Pakistani Army. Forget about raising the cost to Pakistan. Just as Mushraaf was invited by Vajpayee after Kargil and was pampered like a Mughal emperor, this ruling establishment would invite the current Pakistani PM back if not the Pakistani Army CoAS. The very same PM who had called the terrorist Burhan Muzaffar Wani a young leader and not a terrorist would now be feted by our political establishment.


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Postby uddu » 29 Sep 2016 22:36

Hope tonight we will have their 10.

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Postby Karan M » 29 Sep 2016 22:38

Christopher Sidor wrote:Wow what a Lolipop given by our political establishment. Terrorist entered and killed 18 Indian Soldiers and how many PakiLands soldiers have we killed? 2. If somehow we are trying to send a message to Pakistani Army then the message that has gone out is that the cost to Pakistani Army is minimal. 2 soldiers for 18 a 1:9 ratio is not bad. At this rate India would have to loose 4.5 million soldiers just so that Pakistani army looses 500000 soldiers. We have not hurt the Pakistani Army in any manner. Nor have we increased the cost to the Pakistani Corp Commanders.

Forget about reclaiming our Lost territories. Forget about avenging our dead soldiers. Forget about increasing the cost to Pakistani Army. Forget about raising the cost to Pakistan. Just as Mushraaf was invited by Vajpayee after Kargil and was pampered like a Mughal emperor, this ruling establishment would invite the current Pakistani PM back if not the Pakistani Army CoAS. The very same PM who had called the terrorist Burhan Muzaffar Wani a young leader and not a terrorist would now be feted by our political establishment.


LOL as if Nawaz personally called you and told you only 2 were killed. :lol: :lol:

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Postby uddu » 29 Sep 2016 22:44

Hope each day some new steps are taken. Including MFN, etc etc...
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https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/781532961304895488


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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby brvarsh » 29 Sep 2016 22:48

For those who are trying to water down that India did not hit Pakistani Army instead just cleaned up terrorists are not realizing how big of a slap this is to on Pakistan's face. Not too long ago a General was thumping his chest "we are not Bhutan" - so here you go! This strike pinned the balloon of nuclear retaliatory threats, it clearly showed the intent of India under this new leadership and it is a clear message India will not be a mute recipient of their terror. These terror pods are known to be under the protection or observation of Pakistani regulars and they couldn't do $hit is a direct message in itself.
There is a reason why Pakistan is playing down it as mere cross border small arms firing. In reality they know even under a heavy public pressure they won't be able to deliver any retaliatory message. By not touching Pakistani Army directly India has sent a restraint message and has drawn a line not to be crossed by them again. What fears is Pakistan may orchestrate a 26/11 type attack that we need to be very vigilant about.


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