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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Karan M » 30 Sep 2016 01:58

Secret image of IA raid for the TSP pasand crowd like shooklaw.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Khalsa » 30 Sep 2016 02:01

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shiv wrote:Pakis have a Catch 22 situation. If they captured a soldier it means that they are accepting that Indian soldiers crossed the LoC. If they captured him inside India it means that they have violated the border. That story is dead.


Absolutely agree sir. Pak has to be wary of responding overtly to this with their "official" armed forces as this will trigger an immediate and punitive backlash by IA. Also the silence from western govts and China is telling even tho the story has been reported on in multiple western outlets.

India has finally taken the strategic initiative to completely ostracize pak from the international community and so tactical strikes like these can be used to safeguard our homeland from terrorist infil.



I will wait to hear from the Indian DGMO or PMO's Office.

Do you think while we conducted this raid all other units were given a lollipop and told to sleep well.
Guards would have tripled and Checks would be tripled.

We will now continue to be over assertive over the next coming months.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Anantha » 30 Sep 2016 02:07

our esteemed member bennedose wanted to do a gaali galoch "jab we met style here; did he do it yet? would moderaters close their eyes for some time. He already did it in twitter

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby GShankar » 30 Sep 2016 02:11

I saw a couple of posters suggesting this is the right time to take out or capture dawood gang. I agree with the sentiment to also capture ha-piss and mAssood azar, I am wondering if there is a way to capture a "few-or-more", but disclose a lesser number;say they are PA regulars but we call them all terrorists. Will this scenario help in a secret exchange?

Only reason I am asking because I "thought" something like this could be cost effective. Thoughts?

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Karan M » 30 Sep 2016 02:12

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rohitvats wrote:From teetar:



The above is from ex-IAF. Now we know why Exercise Talon was repeated within a month's time. Singha's scenario of fully loaded Su-30MKI on high orbit with Mig-21s keeping vigil in forward bases comes true.\\

BTW - another tidbit. Someone said it was a High Altitude-High Opening (HAHO)....drop on our side, land on theirs.


er....a few of us probably have the same info and +/- a bit more from our chaiwallahs. Please don't reveal any more specifics in public. From what I heard till now it was a major shakinaw joint op not some let's sneak in below the radar and hope we don't get caught op like the Amirkhan OBL one was. Ack thoo on the desh drohi Gandhis and Congis who ruled India into a cesspool for so long.


can we even imagine what all IA/IAF/IN can do if all their kit is brought up to 70-80% availability standards & ample supplies of ammo.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Aditya G » 30 Sep 2016 02:15

This commentary by Col. Rathore (retd) is a surgical strike on its own:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... JS49L.html

Union minister Rajyavardhan Rathore said on Thursday that no territorial violations have been committed during the operations since PoK is very much a part of India.

He said the surgical strikes were not a military operation but anti-terrorist exercise “and LoC will not prevent us from carrying out an anti-terror operation”.

He said India is “not fond” of going into such offensives and acts with great restraint but will take action to protect its citizens.
“If you force us, we will. To protect our nation, we will stand together and carry out pre-emptive strikes. Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) is very much part of India. Therefore, we have not committed any territorial violations,” he said...


Indian minds have been conditioned over the decades to accept LoC as kind of a defacto border. Just a couple strikes across and suddenly that assumptions are no longer valid. If i can strike 2 km from LoC, why not 20 km? And then why cant I have the whole state back?

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A couple of points viz-a-viz the military operation, from the little we know:

- The raids have achieved strategic effect, this is exactly what SFs are for. The material loss and loss of militants by itself is not much.

- It was absolutely brilliant to attack in 4 dispersed locations simultaneously. This shows military mind as a politico would have been happy with hitting just one location.

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- Planners would have made contingency plans, so with 4 live ops it shows the kind of Spec Ops "capacity" that we have now. There would be choppers, arty, ghataks, infantry support, UAV itiyadi to back simultaneous hits.

- IAF involvement is not clear at the time, esp since AAC has a lot of Dhruvs and UAV squadrons in J&K.

- The raids seem to be broadly the same modus operandi as Operation Peace (Myanmar). Every successful hit will make us bolder. Tommorow we could hit vital installations like bridges etc as well.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2016 02:17

I have a theory on how GOI tested the ground before the actual push.

They floated initial ops details which was supposedly conducted after first day of Uri attack. This helped them gauge reaction of people and also to find information leaks. And they found plenty of holes which were plugged promptly, i.e. ndtv/chindits/et al. Unkil also seems to be in dark about what and when happened, no statements by the usual "please talk/show restraint" candidates.

Once they had full information control op was conducted to achieve full element of surprise.

Usually fight on border is just half won, rest we have to fight within.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Karthik S » 30 Sep 2016 02:18

Someone said it's a HAHO jump, most likely C 130J would have involved. They were purchased for the SF ops.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby CRamS » 30 Sep 2016 02:23

sudhan wrote:Col. Shooklaw is having a hard time wiping the multiple eggs off his face. He claimed initially that the IA could not retaliate for Uri, now tries to put on a brave face and asks for drone footage as proof. Once that comes out, the mother off all rotten eggs will be homing in on his stupid face. Will see how he handles that. The Blundering fool!


Where did he say this? I was scanning channels to see if this guy shows up somewhere, but didn't quite find him.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Amoghvarsha » 30 Sep 2016 02:25

I find one thng strange that the DGMO or the MEA in its statements didnt mention that whether we crossed the LOC or not.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby williams » 30 Sep 2016 02:25

I am flipping the pages in Possible Mil Scenarios archives. Did you all remember such a scenario written in one of the threads before? If not we need to write one.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Anantha » 30 Sep 2016 02:28

Sid
do u mean the attacks on sep 20-21st reported by quint?

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Aditya G » 30 Sep 2016 02:31

Do we have any good pages on the two SF units involved?

- 4 Para SF
- 9 Para SF

Can't seem to find anything on 4 Para.

The latter is quite well known now due to frequent ops in J&K;

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby suryag » 30 Sep 2016 02:31

Dil maange more!!! it would be amazing if we give another jhaapad over the next few days in another sector

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby williams » 30 Sep 2016 02:33

Amoghvarsha wrote:I find one thng strange that the DGMO or the MEA in its statements didnt mention that whether we crossed the LOC or not.

When they say surgical strike that is what it means.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Anantha » 30 Sep 2016 02:46

suryag wrote:Dil maange more!!! it would be amazing if we give another jhaapad over the next few days in another sector

PM Modi has not said a word yet, that means like Shakti 98, more is to come

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Amoghvarsha » 30 Sep 2016 02:50

williams wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:I find one thng strange that the DGMO or the MEA in its statements didnt mention that whether we crossed the LOC or not.

When they say surgical strike that is what it means.


Well some of the foreign media,BBC among them are saying that its ambigous,whether IA crossed the LOC or not.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2016 02:50

Anantha wrote:Sid
do u mean the attacks on sep 20-21st reported by quint?


Yes, reporter from quint was trying to take credit for that but he just aggregated basic info from tweets, by ndtv and probably BRF.

After that all went dark for a week and it was not discussed publicly.

Its a theory but GOI had to find a way to bell this cat. I expect to see a much more disciplined media gng fwd.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2016 02:51

Amoghvarsha wrote:
williams wrote:When they say surgical strike that is what it means.


Well some of the foreign media,BBC among them are saying that its ambigous,whether IA crossed the LOC or not.


That's expected, their bureaus are based in Islamabad. Don't expect much from CNN/BBC.

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Postby CRamS » 30 Sep 2016 02:57

BBC et. al are western govt mouthpieces who cannot stomach a rising India. They want to box India TSP equal equal. None of those b@astards look at TSP as the unadulterated evil that it is. They have been having fun watching TSP attack and India crying helplessly till now.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Prem » 30 Sep 2016 02:59

Paki wondering why nuke threat etc not working on world as no one gives damn about Paki or NSA .

Either way It is good slap on Slimey Sharif. Let him do coup and swallow more poo.
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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Amoghvarsha » 30 Sep 2016 02:59

Sid wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:
Well some of the foreign media,BBC among them are saying that its ambigous,whether IA crossed the LOC or not.


That's expected, their bureaus are based in Islamabad. Don't expect much from CNN/BBC.


But TBH the PC was ambigous and they never said that they crossed the LOC.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2016 03:11

Amoghvarsha wrote:
Sid wrote:
That's expected, their bureaus are based in Islamabad. Don't expect much from CNN/BBC.


But TBH the PC was ambigous and they never said that they crossed the LOC.


Yes, because operation occurred on Indian territory i.e. PoK. As per policy we didn't cross anything.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Rudradev » 30 Sep 2016 03:19

Amoghvarsha wrote:
Well some of the foreign media,BBC among them are saying that its ambigous,whether IA crossed the LOC or not.


Boss that's the BEAUTY of this.

Plausible deniability, of a sort that works on the TSPA like Ajit's liquid oxygen.

Bakis all this time had "plausible deniability" at the level of international media like BBC/CNN etc. In Bakistan and India it was common, public knowledge that terrorists who attacked India came from Pakland and were trained, sponsored, equipped by the TSPA/ISI.

In India, the government broadcast this fact as public knowledge. In Bakistan it was "officially denied" but widely accepted amongst the public that this was going on.

In other countries, particularly the West, this was "private knowledge"... intelligence agencies knew about it, governments privately recognized it but publicly went on with the line of "both parties must reconcile differences" because they didn't want to declare Bakistan a terrorist state.

And therefore, in the international (mainly Western) media, the line adopted was one that conferred "plausible deniability" to Pakistan.

Now the shoe is 400% on the other foot. In Bakistan and India it is public knowledge that IA went across the LOC and killed 100+ pigs without losing a single soldier.

In India the government broadcasts this as public knowledge. It has as much of a positive effect on civilian and military morale, as the negative effect that news of Paki-sponsored terrorist attacks used to have.

In Bakistan, it is "officially denied" public knowledge. Everyone knows it happened. But TSPA has to pretend it didn't happen to save its H&D. Yet, this has the effect of putting the TSPA's credibility in greater doubt (Baki aam junta thinks: what if TSPA is telling a lie that the IA op didn't happen, because TSPA is too darpoke or too incompetent to retaliate against IA?) TSPA is screwed both ways. If they admit it happened, they look bad. If they claim it didn't happen, but public-knowledge evidence mounts that it DID happen, they look even worse.

And in the Western media, the official Pakistani denial is given equal-equal footing with India's claim of having done the op... therefore, India has plausible deniability!

This means it is 400% impossible for Pak Pasand busybodies in Western stink tanks, State Dept and other institutions to come out and do the old-school equal-equal: "both countries should curb aggression, India should act responsibly, avoid escalation to avoid nuclear conflict" etc. etc. Their MuNNA himself is saying India didn't do anything, so how could any action by India be construed as irresponsible or escalatory?

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby Prem » 30 Sep 2016 03:22

India-Pakistan Tensions: India’s Expanded Toolkit
https://www.csis.org/analysis/india-pak ... ed-toolkit

he Indian Army initiated a military strike against terror camps along the Line of Control in Kashmir. The exact nature of this action, as well as its location, remains vague. But the “surgical strike,” as termed by India’s director general of Military Operations, has been embraced across India. This news comes a week after terrorists targeted an Indian Army base in Kashmir, leaving 19 Indian soldiers dead. It is unclear whether India’s military strike will lead to a further escalation of tensions with Pakistan. Even before the strike, however, India had been displaying an expanded set of options for dealing with Pakistan, compared to previous times of escalated tension such as 1999 and 2002.In recent decades, both sides employed a fairly standard set of tools when tensions boiled over—ranging from expelling diplomats, cutting off transportation linkages, triggering troop mobilizations at the border, all the way up to combat operations such as the brief Kargil War in 1999. The usual barbs were traded in speeches during the opening of the United Nations General Assembly, though this is to be expected even during periods of relative calm between India and Pakistan.However, following a number of recent provocations that India has linked to Pakistan-based militant groups, the government of prime minister Narendra Modi has employed a different set of tools to respond to these incitements. These tools may not be altogether new, but the fact that they have been the focus of India’s response to Pakistan’s incitements marks a different approach—one that surely has Islamabad on its toes.

First, India has shown a willingness to pull South Asia away from the traditional convening group, the South Asia Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC). Founded in 1985, SAARC has never quite lived up to its potential, largely because its two largest members, India and Pakistan, have rarely been in a political position to work together. Earlier this week India announced it would withdraw from an upcoming SAARC meeting in Pakistan. India has refocused its regional connectivity efforts on sub-groupings that do not involve Pakistan, such as the South Asia Subregional Economic Cooperation (SASEC) Program, the Bay of Bengal Initiative on Multi Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC), and the Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal (BBIN) Initiative. To varying degrees, these groups have been able to move forward with new agreements that should increase connectivity and cooperation among interested South Asian nations. Several South Asian nations have conveyed concerns about Pakistan’s role in the recent attacks against India. Bangladesh, Bhutan, and Afghanistan joined India in announcing they would not join the SAARC summit in Pakistan in November.
Second, India has shown its increased capability to initiate strikes against militant groups outside its borders. In June 2015, Indian troops reportedly crossed into Myanmar to conduct a raid on a militant camp, less than a week after the militant group killed 18 Indian soldiers. While there has been some reasoned speculation that the raid may not have involved crossing into Myanmar territory, the signal to Pakistan was pretty clear—India had the ability to take a limited fight to militant camps.Third, India has shown resurgent interest in strengthening ties with Afghanistan, creating a stronger link with the nation on Pakistan’s other major border. India has provided crucial development assistance to Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban. But over the last year India has looked to expand its work in new areas. Late last year, India agreed to provide four Mi-25 attack helicopters to the Afghan army—India’s first direct military assistance to Afghanistan. India has also re-committed to the development of Iran’s Chabahar Port, which will augment India’s connectivity to Afghanistan. The United States and India have also recently agreed to revive the moribund U.S.-India-Afghanistan trilateral discussions.Fourth, India is engaging the United States more aggressively than ever before on security cooperation. Recent highlights include the January 2015 “ U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region,” progress under the Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI), the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), and the June 2016 “ Framework for the U.S. India Cyber Relations.” Engaging the United States has helped strengthen those American voices that have been calling for a reduction in military support to Pakistan based on our interest in strengthening relations with India. Such calls were far easier for Washington to ignore when we had little progress in our security relationship with India.Fifth, India is reviewing its “Most Favored Nation (MFN)” trade policy towards Pakistan, in place since 1996. Despite positive noises, Pakistan has never reciprocated by granting India MFN. A cabinet decision on revoking Pakistan’s MFN status has been postponed, but is on the cards as another modest tool against Pakistan. As the Atlantic Council pointed out in its 2014 report, India and Pakistan: The Opportunity Cost of Conflict, most bilateral trade already takes place via third countries such as Dubai and Singapore. Still, revoking existing agreements is a fairly significant measure.
Sixth, India has hinted that it would consider altering the terms of its water sharing agreement with Pakistan under the 56-year old Indus Water Treaty. The Indus Water Treaty has often been highlighted as a rock of relative stability in India-Pakistan ties even when other aspects of the relationship hit various peaks and valleys. As we have seen within India’s own borders recently, restricting water can be a trigger for violence. So unilaterally altering a water sharing arrangement may be viewed as a particularly powerful escalation tool in a water-starved region. Still, India has signaled that such an action is under review.While the Indian Ministry of Defence has stated it does not plan additional strikes, it is not clear whether the current tensions between India and Pakistan will escalate further. There is certainly little expectation that Pakistani militants, under varying degrees of control by Pakistan’s military, will be deterred from initiating further attacks. But the costs to Islamabad of supporting terrorism are increasing, and taking different forms than before.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby malushahi » 30 Sep 2016 03:24

Aditya G wrote:Map

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map is good, however the accompanying text is a bit inaccurate. tatta pani is in pok's poonch dist about 25kms downstream from poonch town in J&K.

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Postby sudhan » 30 Sep 2016 03:46

CRamS wrote:
sudhan wrote:Col. Shooklaw is having a hard time wiping the multiple eggs off his face. He claimed initially that the IA could not retaliate for Uri, now tries to put on a brave face and asks for drone footage as proof. Once that comes out, the mother off all rotten eggs will be homing in on his stupid face. Will see how he handles that. The Blundering fool!


Where did he say this? I was scanning channels to see if this guy shows up somewhere, but didn't quite find him.


His ramblings are restricted to twitter

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This tweet got over 200 likes..

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Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2016 03:49

sudhan wrote:
CRamS wrote:
Where did he say this? I was scanning channels to see if this guy shows up somewhere, but didn't quite find him.


His ramblings are restricted to twitter

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This tweet got over 200 likes..


Its sad to think he was ever with Indian Armed forces. He was once a go to guy for LCA/Arjun projects, how far he has fallen

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby sudhan » 30 Sep 2016 03:52

Placate bhakths, my a$$..

This tweeting twit is more dangerous than (ku)NDTV pork loving hags..

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Postby malushahi » 30 Sep 2016 03:59

apologists like shukla have been jhaaped so hard today that they are in a quandary between crying out loud and putting up a brave face. revel in the schadenfreude while it lasts - he is an "attack dog" by his own admission, and needs a periodic kick in ribs to remind him of his antecedents.

an excerpt from am nehra's book brings into sharp contract what has changed in the last 48 hours.

The Kargil Conflict does not qualify to be called a War

During the conflict, regular statements were made by the Indian authorities, including Service Chiefs, that India would not cross the LoC. Hypocritical moral posturing? Why? Pray, why would we not cross the LoC when the other party has? If that results in a wider conflict, so be it. After all, the armed forces are for such occasions only. That was the Hindu defensive mindset on display (the BJP was in power). If we had crossed (perhaps on the quiet) the LoC a bit here and there, the intruders’ s ’ supplies could have been intercepted and they could have been starved out. In that case, our casualties would have been much lower, perhaps just in two digits. In the din and euphoria over the Kargil ‘victory’, let us not forget that it was our pseudo-moral posturing and lack of aggressive spirit (i.e. no LoC crossing) that resulted in such high casualties.


retaliating below the new watermark of cross-loc "surgical strikes" will be very difficult for even a future dovish government to explain. that line has been breached; that is what has been accomplished today, all questions about numbers and location notwithstanding.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby williams » 30 Sep 2016 04:11

Sid wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:
But TBH the PC was ambigous and they never said that they crossed the LOC.


Yes, because operation occurred on Indian territory i.e. PoK. As per policy we didn't cross anything.


I agree we did not violate any thing by crossing over LOC. But if we did not cross the LOC it is called an encounter not surgical strike. Surgical strike means we went behind the enemy line of defense. If BeebeeSee did not get that, they are either acting dumb or they are dumb :mrgreen:

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2016 04:13

A couple of things:

KS garu would be glad that redlines were blown away.
Unknown and RayC very old members would be khush with this raid.

A bonus. If Israel had done this every one would be gaga. Yet SDRE ordinary forces Ghtak platoons did this along with Para/Commandos.

Introspect this.

Shiv you should post your views for this time.

Christopher Sidor folks are asking how come others were banned for less than your drivel.
So relax. Unless you want to just read.

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Postby suryag » 30 Sep 2016 04:16

We should continuously push the loc westward

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Postby CRamS » 30 Sep 2016 04:38

Shookla punk has puked. Now what about grandma's boy? has he also uncovered "truth"?

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Re: Army strikes terror camps in PoK

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suryag wrote:We should continuously push the loc westward


How?


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