abhik wrote:JayS wrote:...
Ain't gonna work. Give them money like that and I can bet my bottom rupee that most of that money will never be put back in RnD. Did I not tell you my company uses its own earned money only for business purpose and go with begging bowl to government for RnD money..? That's Capitalism for you. Of coarse they get money only on the condition that they have to match the contribution to be able to get the funding or they have to surrender the control of tech in some way. Instead, keep the price competitive, if you want them not to become another PSU. They need to be lean and competitive as an org for bread and butter work to survive on the global level. Bankroll the RnD separately in pieces for well articulated long term and short term hard goals in bigger inter-organisational frameworks. Bankroll the RnD in academia. GOI's work is not only to give money but to give the direction as well. GOI also has to drive the tech dev actively through its various organisations. Capitalism do not work in intended way unless there is a strong shepherding and regulation from government.
Under what policy does to government fund R&D in the private sector, I'm trying to understand how this works and how much money is actually transferred. I think it was posted on another thread that the brahmos seeker being developed by data patterns(?) is being done on their own dime (unless I misunderstood). So who gets funded and who doesn't?
Our system was never built for facilitating any RnD work in Pvt organisations. There is no real policy. So far I have not seen any real funding to talk about by GOI to any private company. Mostly the initial dev happens with "no cost no commitment" basis. We neither have RnD programs under which GOI invite private companies to bid for funding or DRDO or PSUs giving money to some supplier to develop something for them. May be few exceptions here and there which I am not aware of. But there is no system in place. Technically GOI money can be given to Private companies for RnD types work, say develop certain manufacturing process, or some simulation code, or some design system or some component. But no babu, whether admin or technocrat from our RnD organisations or PSUs are willing to take responsibility to give the funding to a pvt player and them make sure there are tangible results from it. If the money doesn't give results (which is very much possible for a lot of cases) then there could be backlash. No one wants that. So it never happens. Instead they play safe and give money to IIT profs who may or may not come up with anything of value, at least not of value in engineering sense for immediate requirements. Even if nothing happens the guy who disbursed money can say "hey look, I gave it to IIT prof OK, who is suppose to be best in country. If he doesn't turn up with results what can I do.?". Even till now one could apply for funding to Min of Sci and Tech but getting it was a big fight. generally we see in India that the funding is very top-down. That is funds are given for a big program such as LCA and then some of that fund is to be used to develop specifically needed technologies. But this is very parochial way of funding. Its difficult to put a number for total available fund in India as of now. But whatever it may be hardly anything reaches to pvt companies. DRDO or ISRO or NAL itself are highly under-funded.
Outside India, the funding happenes through well defined programs, either product focused, such as fighter jets, or futuristic technology development focused, such as Clean Sky in EU. Companies bid for the funding with technical proposals and they get the money based on whose proposal seems more promising. Generally in US, multiple companies will be given chance on alternate paths. Now its changing due to lack of funding. In EU multiple companies collaborate on single thing. But key thing is there is a well defined program with well defined and realistic goals and technological path. Generally companies need to put in their fixed amount of their own money in addition to the government funding. The technology feeds into the next iteration of the products. This way government actually subsidizes the technology for entire nation because this makes the technology in future to be cheaper.
This is a generic picture of coarse. Now we here GOI started 1000Cr of start up fund or some other tech fund where pvt companies can apply for funding. I see people asking for money to Start Up India twitter handle. I am not sure how easily they give money, but I think it will be a while before the real picture changes.