So who exactly is running down a national program which is also on the cusp of maturing ?
you yourself are clearly being import pasand.
Indranil saar has this to say about UTTAM AESA.
Indranil wrote:Integrating Uttam into LCA is a ADA/DRDO project. Integrating a ready to use AESA radar on the Mk1A is a HAL project.
And he is right. DRDO/LRDE need UTTAM for the AMCA. They need it for the future Mk2. HAL needs another more mature sytem today for Mk1A.
There are some great news on both fronts from AI-17.
1. I was pleasantly surprised that integration of Uttam into an airframe was only 1-2 years away. Also Uttam is not a completely new system. It leans heavily on the AEW&Cs AAAU unit.
2. There are now three competitors for the AESA-EW-jammer suite for Mk1A.
while I appreciate Indranils optimism, please be conservative. Having tracked Indian programs for decade+ now, one thing is for sure that our usually underfunded, understaffed programs don't overnight appear and suddenly whiz through trials. The UTTAM will take time before its fighter ready.
DAREs EW is also not ready.
this is exactly the saas bahu mentality i spoke about earlier.hows the above even relevant to the topic at hand ?
The above was in response to me asking a simple question, IAF was "unsupportive" and Navy was "supportive", what does the navy have to show for the support ?
be honest. you said navy ne kya ukhad liya. that was your language. own it
actually you mentioned the term qtiyapa and tools - given that, the fellows in pakdef will be glad to oblige you with the kind of mentality you so enjoy.
see nirav, the likes of you already have your mentality in the gutter, and seem to mistake civility and self restraint as some sort of invitation ad get sequentially obnoxious and aggressive. let me let you in ona little secret. if not for the sheer fact that i have restrained myself on this fora for ages and i wouldn't want to besmirch that, i could well speak to you in gutter level patois of saas-bahu, and similar BS.
so far i have been restrained. otherwise, i could get far far more creative.
aur kya. you ask obnoxiously, navy ne kya ukhad liya and got an answer in the same vein. so dont whine.
the navy got a TD which is now validating tech that can be used for the NLCA Mk2 and is available within India. thats invaluable given the disastrous MiG-29 experience.
you asked the question clearly with an intent to provoke and got an answer in the same vein.
Karan M wrote:navy has a chance to get a purpose designed operational NLCA Mk2 thanks to the TD LCA derived from the AF LCA. which is what happens when a program is joined late by its primary intended user which throws everything out of whack and soaks up any effort to do any super out of the box effort for the secondary partner.
Did navy ask for a "chance" of it asked for a carrier ops capable fighter jet ? When Vikrant needs to launch NLCA, but since its not available, will you tell them, hey the jet isnt here but you have a chance to get a purpose designed jet which will come.when we dont know, but atleast you have a chance.
so if NAVY buys foreign a/c to fulfill its operational needs since NLCA is not ready its okay .. they need the jets.
there you go with the smarmy rhetoric. navy joined the LCA program with the full knowledge it would not meet their primary requirements easily. it was to be an adjunct to the MiG-29k. read up sometime. once the Ge404 proved light for the task, it was the navy which asked for the Mk2. yu would have known this if you even bothered to know anything about the program. but no, off you come, and play tough guy asking "questions".
dude, you know eff all about the LCA, why are you even arguing?
IAF has time bound operational needs or not ? but no, at the drop of a hat, import pasand, and what not ... why dont you go to AHQ and hawk your "chance" theory to AF. Might just get the much needed GPL. Heck i think even Naval HQ would be quite swift in dishing out that GPL if you go and tell them they have a "chance" to get a fighter jet for all their investment of time,effort,energy and most importantly scarce capex money.
nirav the likes of you get GPL 24/7 both on the forum and off it. so spare us your proclivities. after all, it is the periodic GPL you got from rakesh et al as below, that made you so sore and cry so much.
first, i didnt not need to go to AHQ or anywhere... the likes of you have never even met AHQ types so spare me your internet tuff guy BS of pretending to speak for them. same for the navy.
instead, do one thing. stand in front of the mirror, administer yourself a swift GPL and read up about the NLCA program and after that, go and find out what is the current condition of those oh so great MiG-29ks and you will understand why the IN is desparate for 57 new fighters. Little to do with the LCA. A lot to do with the earlier fighters it got saddled wth.
Rakesh was mean to me