VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 51203?s=20 ---> With No 17 Sqn reaching full operational strength next month with 18 Rafales in squadron inventory; the second Rafale (No. 101 Sqn Falcons) will be raised next month in Hasimara base.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/137 ... 50304?s=20 ---> IAF’s second Rafale squadron on the horizon! Comes up at Hasimara, West Bengal in mid-April. With 11 already delivered to Ambala, a further 7 airframes tops out the first squadron. Remaining will come in batches to Hasimara.

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https://twitter.com/rahulsinghx/status/ ... 46791?s=20 ---> Located in the crucial Siliguri corridor, the Hasimara airbase will cover central & eastern Tibet. Rafales will augment & add a bigger punch along with the Su-30s already based in the Brahmaputra valley: Air Marshal Anil Chopra, DG, CAPS.

Second Rafale squadron to be raised in Bengal’s Hasimara in April
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 01498.html
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Rakesh wrote:First commanding officer of Rafale squadron at Ambala abruptly transferred to Shillong
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 452515.cms
11 March 2021
https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 80992?s=20 ---> Three group captains have been trained for Rafale in France including Group Captain Harkirat Singh. Now with the Rafale squadron being formed in the Eastern sector, Harkirat is moving logically to the next level with responsibility of steering raising of the second squadron.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 65987?s=20 ---> He will carry forward the experience & expertise gained thus far and basically play the role of a mentor while the other Group Captains command the squadrons. He is being moved along with other Group Captains as part of a routine deployment with one month's notice.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 52007?s=20 ---> The assumption that he has been removed are baseless: IAF sources.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 66912?s=20 ---> Routine transfer. Expertise gained would be utilized to raise second squadron. Sensible and logical move.

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 40744?s=20 ---> How the media jumps to sensationalise some of these things.
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Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 40744?s=20 ---> How the media jumps to sensationalise some of these things.
Click on link below and watch the entire video to see an example of Indian media sensationalism :lol:

https://twitter.com/NaserMestarihi/stat ... 77796?s=20
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Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote:First commanding officer of Rafale squadron at Ambala abruptly transferred to Shillong
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 452515.cms
11 March 2021
https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 80992?s=20 ---> Three group captains have been trained for Rafale in France including Group Captain Harkirat Singh. Now with the Rafale squadron being formed in the Eastern sector, Harkirat is moving logically to the next level with responsibility of steering raising of the second squadron.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 65987?s=20 ---> He will carry forward the experience & expertise gained thus far and basically play the role of a mentor while the other Group Captains command the squadrons. He is being moved along with other Group Captains as part of a routine deployment with one month's notice.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 52007?s=20 ---> The assumption that he has been removed are baseless: IAF sources.

https://twitter.com/AnilKhosla16/status ... 66912?s=20 ---> Routine transfer. Expertise gained would be utilized to raise second squadron. Sensible and logical move.

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 40744?s=20 ---> How the media jumps to sensationalise some of these things.
Rakesh Saar,
it might be a routine transfer, and media sensationalism is unwarranted. But if he is being sent to Shillong, how does that help with squadron raising in Hasimara? I am not well versed in the command structure here, Unless Shillong is is some kind of HQ for officers posted in eastern sector.
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venkat_kv wrote: Rakesh Saar,
it might be a routine transfer, and media sensationalism is unwarranted. But if he is being sent to Shillong, how does that help with squadron raising in Hasimara? I am not well versed in the command structure here, Unless Shillong is is some kind of HQ for officers posted in eastern sector.
Shillong is the HQ for Eastern Air Command , And Hasimara comes under EAC
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AkshaySG wrote:
venkat_kv wrote: Rakesh Saar,
it might be a routine transfer, and media sensationalism is unwarranted. But if he is being sent to Shillong, how does that help with squadron raising in Hasimara? I am not well versed in the command structure here, Unless Shillong is is some kind of HQ for officers posted in eastern sector.
Shillong is the HQ for Eastern Air Command , And Hasimara comes under EAC
Thanks for the info AkshaySG, i guess i should have just googled it. My apologies :oops:
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IAF Rafale BS014 spotted with MICA and Meteor on a test flight in France.

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Bakis just shuddered after seeing that 'Meteor'

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VIDEO

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 99299?s=20 ---> British analyst schools Pak media on why IAFs Meteor armed Rafales will be Superior to both PAFs JF-17s with PL-15 and the F-16s with AIM-120Cs.
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IAF Rafale - The Tiger in the Sky

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Rakesh wrote:VIDEO

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 99299?s=20 ---> British analyst schools Pak media on why IAFs Meteor armed Rafales will be Superior to both PAFs JF-17s with PL-15 and the F-16s with AIM-120Cs.
Why why why, they should try Swift Retreat 2 and learn so e real hard lessons where they cannot hide their failures.
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Gorgeous IAF Rafales. Pic credit Swiderek Maciejka

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BS019 had it's first flight recently. That means 27 Rafales for the IAF have already been built and flown. 19 BS single seaters and 8 RB twin seaters.

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IAF Rafale BS015. Pics credit Yvan Panas.

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IAF Rafale RB007

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If my eyes are not deceiving me, the pilot in the front seat is sporting a Flogger patch..most likely a former Flogger pilot of the IAF, now converting on the Rafale. Open the image in a new tab to see it in full size. Pic credit Swiderek Maciejka.

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BS009 and BS015..achingly beautiful! Pics credit Swiderek Maciejka

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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 01991?s=20 ---> Report claims Dassault has already built & flown 27 Rafales F3Rs for IAF (incl. all 8 dual seaters) out of 36 ordered.
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 27298?s=20 ---> Rafale F3Rs which is operated by IAF have enhanced capability to counter GPS jamming. Very useful since China has deployed GPS jammers.
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 64357?s=20 ---> French defence magazine: India specific SPECTRA upgrade in Rafale F3R also includes improved Low, Medium and High band apertures to deal with low observable (stealthy) aircraft.
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This is from the French Air Force and French Navy that operate the Rafale C/B/M.

The F3R variant is the baseline variant flown by the IAF with ISE (India Specific Enhancements) upgrades.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 47842?s=20 ---> Rafale F3-R now to be used in operational service. Upgrading the Rafale's capacities ranks high on priorities of the French military expenditure plan which provides a 2.7 billion euro investment in development of new versions of Rafale over the 2019-25 period.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 52418?s=20 ---> Capacities associated with Rafale F3-R standard:

* Meteor + robust AESA RBE2 (and robust in dense EW situations)
* Enhanced Spectra EW system
* A reinforced alert capacity against enemy threats
* Enhanced resilience against GPS jamming
* Faster decision loop/sustained interoperability

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 58753?s=20 --->

* Integration of the new laser designation pod TALIOS
* Sustained in-flight refuelling/integration of new gen pod NARANG
* Continue to carry the ASMP-A
* Integration of the LGB GBU-16 bomb
* Integration of Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (AGCAS)
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I do not believe the IAF uses the TALIOS laser designation pod.

ASMP-A is France's strategic nuclear weapon and represents the air component of France's nuclear strike force. To be used only by France.

The AGCAS is interesting. Found on the F-16 Block 70 and F-21. Is marketed as one of the features by LM in the present MRFA contest. If present on French F3R Rafales, then I am sure it will be found on Egyptian, Qatari and Indian Rafales.
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I believe Sameer Joshi is referring to French Air Force Rafales and Mirage 2000s in his tweet.
Rakesh wrote:THE FRENCH MINISTRY OF THE ARMED FORCES ORDERS 367 MICA NG (NEW GENERATION) MISSILES
https://www.mbda-systems.com/2021/03/22 ... -missiles/
https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 44896?s=20 ---> MBDA will invest US $1.8 billion for development of the Mica NG AAM. May be deployed on Rafale & M2K from 2025 onwards. IR seeker will use a matrix sensor. The RF seeker will be AESA. Expect better endgame + ECCM at a range of 100km plus in same SWAP.
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Rakesh wrote:I believe Sameer Joshi is referring to French Air Force Rafales and Mirage 2000s in his tweet.
Of course. We will never see orders like these in India even before the product is developed. We don't order our own systems even after the development and trials are complete.
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 50752?s=20 ---> Report: IAF Chief ACM Bhadauria to visit France next month. To meet top officials of French AF & Dassault.
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10 Rafales to join IAF in one month

In a major boost for the Indian Air Force's firepower, at least 10 new Rafale fighter aircraft would be joining its fighter fleet leading to the formation of the second squadron of the planes.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 734156.cms
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Below is Emmanuel Lenain, the present Ambassador of France to India.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1376914659035373573?s=20 ---> It's a matter of great pride, we've been able to deliver on schedule & even ahead of schedule in spite of COVID. Right now 21 Rafale delivered to India, 11 already ferried to India, 3 are right now being ferried & 5 extra will be ferried by end of April: French Envoy to India

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https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1377 ... 45472?s=19
The 4th batch of three IAF #Rafales landed on Indian soil after a direct ferry from #IstresAirBase France.
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As Ninjamonkey tweet, massive capacity addition for IAF in just 1 month.

10 Rafales + 3-5 Tejas

April 2021 certainly turning out to be a month to remember for the @IAF_MCC as the force will be adding 15 4++ Gen #aircraft in this one month with 10 #Rafale & 5 #tejas up for delivery this month .

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 72581?s=19
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VIDEO

https://twitter.com/sssaaagar/status/13 ... 60138?s=20 ---> After Ambala, why Hashimara in West Bengal was chosen for Rafale, explained here by @mjavinod Sir.
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Round and round the merry go round we go :lol:

Dassault paid 1 million euros to ‘middleman’ in #Rafale deal: French media
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 94327.html
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Mediapart claimed the money was paid for the manufacture of 50 large replica models of Rafale jets, even though Dassault provided inspectors of French anti-corruption agency AFA with no proof that these models were made.
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Tweets in relation to the above article....

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 90658?s=20 ---> That's not even the price of a single Meteor in all likelihood. The deal was worth over 9 Billion euros. The whole story appears manufactured just to scupper a follow on Rafale deal, and force the MMRCA contest to continue.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 09313?s=20 ---> Looks like arms lobbyists' of a certain nation is using France media to lobby against Rafale jets deal as they fear India may soon approach France for additional Rafales, thus scuttling their chances of selling their jets to India.

https://twitter.com/CharlieVertical/sta ... 48353?s=20 ---> All this is being done to scuttle any future deals by probably the Americans or the Swedes. No proof, just lip service.

https://twitter.com/Sbmvv2000/status/13 ... 95617?s=20 ---> Looking at the report and taking it at its highest level of veracity, this has nothing to do with the contract for the sale of the aircraft. It's about whether the 1m was used as was indicated. Models aren't uncommon gifts. We received a few when we contracted with Damen.

https://twitter.com/NarenMenon1/status/ ... 05513?s=20 ---> 1 million euros “commissions” for USD 8 billion dollar deal? That’s about ~0.014% of the deal value. Seriously @htTweets just how dumb do you think Indians are?

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... 29569?s=20 ---> It’s an incredibly disingenuous way of reporting it too, there was a contract from Dassualt to produce 50 large scale models of the Rafale, French media have spun this as a bribe and the typical players in India have latched on to it. This is the third time to create #RafaleScam?
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Reportedly PM Modi is going to be visiting France soon.

Unconfirmed reports (on twitter) state that an order for additional Rafales will be placed.
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^^^I hope not.
An order for 100 more Tejas Mk1A is due first. If not, then get aviation infrastructure for it going.
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More than likely, a max of 36 additional birds will be ordered. I will be surprised if anything more than 36 come.
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I hope it is 54 more Rafales makes it 90; which would be equal to 5 squadrons
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News of additional order is only Twitter speculation...
Though I hope they order 2 more squadrons and close the MRFA circus...
VinodTK wrote:I hope it is 54 more Rafales makes it 90; which would be equal to 5 squadrons
I have a personal fan theory that IAF will buy all new jets in even no. of squadrons only... And plan all home bases with 2 squadrons of same type in one base to optimize logistics...
They may not go for odd number squadrons for new types of jets...

So, in case the speculations about new order are true, it will be 2 squadrons only... They may not go for 4 new squadrons coz. that will make the order very big and costly...

Most probably, it will be 36 + additional jets for spares & TACDE...
44 or 48 jets will be ideal IMO... That would take the total Rafale strength to 80 or 84 with 20-21 jets per squadron...
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Initially Shri Parrikar had approved 63 rafales. Current order was half of those.


Also a "bribe" of 1 million Euros?! Really? For a 8B+ order?
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