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VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 05 Oct 2017 08:25

Dassault Rafale: Qatari mechanics training in Mont-de-Marsan
https://www.journal-aviation.com/en/new ... -de-marsan

Rafale training for Qatari personnel is moving ahead at pace at the BA 118 in Mont-de-Marsan. Some of them were already there during the Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly's visit mid-September, demonstrating both Franco-Qatari co-operation and above all the role played by the air force in providing support for exports. This task is made increasingly easy given the huge commitment by staff..

"Here in Mont-de-Marsan, the home of the Rafale, we're in charge of training pilots and mechanics. Obviously, we are very proud of this recognition of the skills of our mechanics, who are seen as references in their field. But it's also a huge challenge, as these same people will be heading out on external missions", says Lieutenant-Colonel Emmanuel, commander of ESTA 15.30 Chalosse. "They need to be involved in both aspects, and also provide the training in English, but things are going really well all the same."

The first mechanics arrived at the start of 2017 and more mechanics will be arriving later "in a series of waves. By the end of 2018-start 2019, around one hundred members of Qatari air crew will have been trained at Mont-de-Marsan. Around ten Qataris are currently at the maintenance hangars at the base in the Landes region. The avionics, weapons and vector specialists always work in pairs with French staff, who are responsible for all maintenance operations carried out on air force planes. "They are here to be trained and build up their skills. We teach them the techniques and organisational aspects they need to carry out maintenance on a base and during operations", explains Lieutenant-Colonel Emmanuel. The idea is to "simulate" an operational squadron in parallel to pilot training.

While the first crew members from Qatar are intended to be workshop managers and already have maintenance skills, others will receive training "from the ground up" in France. A programme lasting around three years will take them from the Gironde to the Charente-Maritime regions, before the final stage in the Landes region. Aerocampus Aquitaine has therefore been tasked with training the future Qatari Rafale mechanics in English and in basic maintenance techniques, while BA 721 in Rochefort will be more geared towards the "operational" side in order to prepare the transition to BA 118 and to ensure their skills "mature". This operational support operation, which began in summer 2016, should continue until the end of 2020.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Oct 2017 12:27

As the crow flies , Hasimara airbase is aprrox ~ 80 Km from the Doklam, is the Chinese road building aimed at getting Smerch and other Ballistic Missile artillery as close as possible, we should probably get our artillery ready with Line of Sight and other assets which can target these Chinese rocket artilery units.

Hasimara to that Chinese Mega radar site is about ~120Km. The Chinese don't have a fighter airbaase nearby so most probably they are planning to bring their rocket artillery.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Oct 2017 05:37

Dassault plans business-jet manufacturing in India on Modi's push
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 021882.cms

Not for Rafale but for the Falcon 2000 --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_2000

The Paris-based company wants to deepen its ties with the South Asian country after it bid for a defense contract worth $11 billion to supply 126 Rafale aircraft and eventually won an order for only 36 planes last year. India had initially agreed to buy all the 126 jets under a long-delayed deal, even mandating Dassault to build some of them locally.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby srai » 12 Oct 2017 04:57

Aditya_V wrote:As the crow flies , Hasimara airbase is aprrox ~ 80 Km from the Doklam, is the Chinese road building aimed at getting Smerch and other Ballistic Missile artillery as close as possible, we should probably get our artillery ready with Line of Sight and other assets which can target these Chinese rocket artilery units.

Hasimara to that Chinese Mega radar site is about ~120Km. The Chinese don't have a fighter airbaase nearby so most probably they are planning to bring their rocket artillery.


Those are LCA territory ... 80km, 120km... don't need MMRCA ;)

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby srai » 12 Oct 2017 04:59

Rakesh wrote:India to Station Rafale Jets Within Strike Range of China and Pakistan
https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017100310 ... fale-jets/

India is finalizing the logistical arrangements for its Rafale fighter jet equipped Air Force squadrons to be stationed at two different air bases located at such a distance from where Indian Air Force can hit both its rival neighbors in less than 180 seconds.Yadong of China is less than 100 kilometers from Hasimara while Indian Air Force can hit other parts of Southern Tibet through Bhutan Airspace within four minutes.

Again, the ranges they are taking about is LCA territory :)

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Oct 2017 10:32

The Air force is keeping the base so that Xigaze and Lhasa airbases are within Rafale range, the Chinese see this as threat and moving thier rocket artillery in the Chumbi valley and pushing thier troops on Doklam, so that Our counter Battery fire is moved is bit back and also we have to defend the Siliguiri corridor.

One eg. from 1962, thee Chinese Soldier Wang Ki who spent 54 years in Tirodi village in MP, he way given 10 days leave in June 1961 before being moved to the Indo Tibetan Border, which means the Chinese detailed action plans were ready by 1961 and they were just waiting for provocation at thier time and place to start thier invasion.

The Chinese have thier plans by 2013 they had assessed our rot had increased enough for them to have complete military advantage, thats why they provoked by sending 1000 men patrols into our territory by 2014. If build up our miltary capability sufficiently we can avert war.

Pakis and Chinese are like Jackals, they see a weakness they will prepare and attack.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Karthik S » 12 Oct 2017 10:44

Amman, Jordan to Israeli air space is 45 sec in a fighter jet. All Israeli air bases are < 100 km from surrounding Arab air spaces and they had top of the line F-15s for decades in this scenario.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby srai » 12 Oct 2017 13:40

Karthik S wrote:Amman, Jordan to Israeli air space is 45 sec in a fighter jet. All Israeli air bases are < 100 km from surrounding Arab air spaces and they had top of the line F-15s for decades in this scenario.

The examples of IAF Rafale given were what would be within LCA capabilities. If they want to sell the virtues of $8 billion investment on medium fighter, they need to talk more about targets deep inside China/Pakistan that can be struck with the Rafale instead of selling how close to the border it is and border targets/interception.


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