VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Aug 2020 02:02

Purpose of S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space, says former IAF Chief B S Dhanoa
https://zeenews.india.com/india/purpose ... 00227.html
03 August 2020

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 19 Aug 2020 02:11

Vivek K wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Did you mean the Rafale? Because there is no naval variant of the Mirage 2000.
referring to your post regarding Angad Singh’s comment about M2K but yes also Rafale. Is it fair to understand that western designers over design their aircraft? Their engine tech is quite advanced and helps overcome any problems with TWR.

It goes beyond that. It is a difference in design philosophy. The Mig-29 had a better T:W ratio than just about any other fighter of its era (certainly better than the M2k). If the Russians wanted to overbuild it they would not have been constrained by engine thrust for sure. And this is not limited to the airframes. The engine MTBF rates are much lower for Russian engines in general compared to western ones. The Russian ones will be cheaper though.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Aug 2020 12:36

Rafale EH BS002 in Merignac. Pictures credit Sebastien David.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Aug 2020 14:37

4 of the IAF Rafale twin seaters at Merignac, France. Images credit Sebastien David.

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Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Aug 2020 22:02

https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/12 ... 33408?s=20 ---> Comparison of NEZ (No escape Zone) of PL-15 versus Meteor from Chinese sources.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 31 Aug 2020 01:06

The following tweet is from Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar (retd). Just in case someone accuses the kind Air Marshal of being import pasand

, please read his tweets, which I have reproduced below.

That is the *MAIN* reason why I am posting this tweet in the IAF Rafale thread.

https://twitter.com/Nambitiger1/status/ ... 55234?s=20 ---> French Air Force Rafale.

https://twitter.com/Nambitiger1/status/ ... 22432?s=20 ---> Why can’t we have pics like these of the Tejas?

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12997 ... 56480?s=20 ---> Sir! Do write to CAS, PGD ADA or CMD HAL. We'll do the rest. The artificially created negativity that Tejas has weathered, will take more than good pics, to overcome. But someone's got to try.

https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/12 ... 22080?s=20 ---> Beautiful. But that photographer really needs to be careful. Standing like that in front of a flying fighter...

https://twitter.com/skrao1/status/12989 ... 07843?s=20 ---> Might be a Gorkha Sir....They do the unthinkable....

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 31 Aug 2020 18:56

Twitter thread on the Meteor missile....

https://twitter.com/Manik_M_Jolly/statu ... 56096?s=20 ---> Weekend Reading-Know your Missiles - MBDA’s Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile. There has been a lot of talk about Meteor, a deadly new weapon in India’s arsenal. This thread is meant to simplify to laymen like me as to why it’s so special.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:43

Formal induction of Rafale has taken place at Ambala AFS on 10 Sept 2020. No 17 Golden Arrows Squadron is the unit that has been raised. The second unit - No 101 Falcons Squadron - will be raised at Hasimara AFS. Below are some tweets and pictures.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/130 ... 09217?s=20 ---> "The IAF Rafale jets are good to go and deliver. Squadron busy & on overdrive to operationalise. Lots of integrated training with our other fleets and weapons firing has taken place," says IAF Chief ACM RKS Bhadauria at Ambala.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:43

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/130 ... 48896?s=20 ---> The IAF Rafale jets have been testing their weapons since they arrived in July. Here is a message just in from MBDA CEO Eric Beranger, who attended the induction ceremony at Ambala today:

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Sep 2020 22:46

Rakesh wrote:Purpose of S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space, says former IAF Chief B S Dhanoa
https://zeenews.india.com/india/purpose ... 00227.html
03 August 2020

Akash and Tejas can do the same.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:47

https://twitter.com/Leopard212/status/1 ... 01120?s=20 ---> 10 September 2020 - Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa with the Rafale at Ambala AFS.

https://twitter.com/Leopard212/status/1 ... 77664?s=20 ---> The Nation owes it to the perseverance and tenacity of Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa (retd), who stood resolutely insurmountable when politicians were playing games to vilify the Rafale - Need of the hour, for IAF. A Proud Chief with the Gorgeous Bird, at Ambala. Thank You, Chief!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:51

Rafale jets formally inducted into IAF, put up aerobatics display at Ambala Air Station
https://theprint.in/in-pictures/rafale- ... on/499695/

Rafale jets were formally deployed into IAF Squadron No. 17, known as the Golden Arrows. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and French minister Florence Parly were among those present.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:55

Rafale fly-by @ Ambala AFS with a pair of Jaguars and a pair of Su-30MKIs.

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 64484?s=20 --->

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 22:56

Now *THIS* is amazing. Great for history watchers!

Drag & Drop picture into newer window for FULL size.

https://twitter.com/manaman_chhina/stat ... 00928?s=20 ---> Air Force Station Ambala through the past 100 years.

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 73984?s=20 ---> Ambala Air Force Station: A Century of Excellence & Pride.

From B.E.2 biplane to Rafale.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 23:00

VIDEO

https://twitter.com/Gen_VKSingh/status/ ... 97568?s=20 ---> Welcome the new Big Bad Boys of the sky - Rafale.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 23:06

From Mahendra Singh Dhoni....read the tweet

https://twitter.com/msdhoni/status/1303 ... 15233?s=20 ---> Wishing the glorious 17 Squadron (Golden Arrows) all the very best and for all of us hope the Rafale beats the service record of the Mirage 2000. But Su-30MKI remains my fav and the boys get new target to dogfight with and wait for BVR engagement till their upgrade to Super Sukhoi.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 10 Sep 2020 23:10

I think MS Dhoni has a post-retirement career as a Defense Analyst/Aviation Enthusiast waiting for him. He seems to already know and understand a lot more than some of the current ones

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Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 23:15

nachiket wrote:I think MS Dhoni has a post-retirement career as a Defense Analyst/Aviation Enthusiast waiting for him. He seems to already know and understand a lot more than some of the current ones .

I was surprised to read that. I expected nothing more than "Congrats to the IAF on Rafale induction."

Comparing Rafale to Mirage 2000 serviceability and Rafale to Super Sukhoi is a pleasant surprise

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 23:23

What is with the disco lights and music from The Final Countdown (shamelessly plagiarized in the 1989 Bollywood movie, Maine Pyaar Kiya) during the Rafale induction at Ambala?

VIDEO

https://twitter.com/AFPSouthAsia/status ... 23656?s=20 ---> French Defence Minister Florence Parly attends a ceremony in India marking the induction of Rafale fighter jets into the Indian Air Force (IAF). India has bought 36 Rafale fighters from France in a deal estimated to be worth $9.4 billion.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 10 Sep 2020 23:36

From the image posted on twitter by Man Aman Singh Chhina and posted here by Rakesh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhhkEQjVoAA ... name=large

This shows 2403 squadron Red Eagles “First BrahMos Squadron” established 2014 using land based TEL for SEAD/DEAD replacing Prithvi SS250 used earlier for the same purpose

601 Signal Unit “The Net Warriors” established 2009 look like a Cyber Warfare Unit.

325 and 326 Transportable Radar Units are equipped with indigenous 3D-CAR since 1995. Other signal units show the Indra 1 & 2 radars.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Sep 2020 23:44

VIDEO

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1303 ... 76448?s=20 ---> IAF has formally inducted the Rafale aircraft in 17 Squadron 'Golden Arrows' today, at Air Force Station, Ambala. The ceremony also marks Rafale’s full operational entry into IAF. Glimpses of the Rafale in action with IAF.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Sep 2020 02:12

Rakesh wrote:What is with the disco lights and music from The Final Countdown (shamelessly plagiarized in the 1989 Bollywood movie, Maine Pyaar Kiya) during the Rafale induction at Ambala?

VIDEO

Oh well. I'd have preferred a star wars theme instead

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 11 Sep 2020 02:35

^^^Just be happy Rajnath Singh didn't touch French Defence Minister's feet. I admit I have not seen IAF induction ceremonies in the past, but watching clips of this on TV was cringeworthy at best.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 11 Sep 2020 02:40

This explains why at one point Israeli defence firm had gone all out Bollywood style during expo.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 11 Sep 2020 02:40

Cain Marko wrote:
Rakesh wrote:What is with the disco lights and music from The Final Countdown (shamelessly plagiarized in the 1989 Bollywood movie, Maine Pyaar Kiya) during the Rafale induction at Ambala?

VIDEO

Oh well. I'd have preferred a star wars theme instead

No, that was reserved for Raga and the former French PM

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 11 Sep 2020 03:58

Rakesh wrote:From Mahendra Singh Dhoni....read the tweet

https://twitter.com/msdhoni/status/1303 ... 15233?s=20 ---> Wishing the glorious 17 Squadron (Golden Arrows) all the very best and for all of us hope the Rafale beats the service record of the Mirage 2000. But Su-30MKI remains my fav and the boys get new target to dogfight with and wait for BVR engagement till their upgrade to Super Sukhoi.

Rakesh he is more aware, see his other tweet he is aware of that Rafale is 4.5 gen (when our esteemed judges could barely understand that), its combat proven (not a newbie off the rack) and he understands that mix of different aircraft causes issues for opposition :

https://twitter.com/msdhoni/status/1303948918296895489 -------> With the Final Induction Ceremony the world’s best combat proven 4.5Gen fighter plane gets the world’s best fighter pilots. In the hands of our pilots and the mix of different aircrafts with the IAF the potent bird’s lethality will only increase.

In those two tweets he has shown mastery that I have never seen nor expected in any celebrity (compare this with our intellectuals who call it Rafale Aircraft Carrier

)

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Sep 2020 07:53

M.Macron,
" 'and over to us ze remaining aircraft tout de suite si vous plait,
Ve ' ave a dragon ve vish to slay!"

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 11 Sep 2020 10:39

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/Leopard212/status/1 ... 01120?s=20 ---> 10 September 2020 - Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa with the Rafale at Ambala AFS.

What a photo of the Air Chief. That smile says it all. Have seen such smile on the faces of proud father's

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 11 Sep 2020 19:28

Pull down your Studd helmet visors: Facepalm alert

A glorious panel of DDMitis

After preparing this panel, cub-reporter Ajay Sura rushed back home to finish his 8th-grade english assignment called "Oliver Twist, a portrait of famous olive farmer and circus performer"

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 11 Sep 2020 20:41

There is more !

The musical score is one for the ages !

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 11 Sep 2020 21:39

Look at those specs:
1. Rafale is a single as well as twin engined multi-role aircraft

Truly our DDM has outdone themselves.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 11 Sep 2020 21:53

nachiket, while waiting for signal to takeoff or during descent, the pilot switches off one engine to conserve fuel.

This is a major milestone event in IAF and they have to do this....gwarp!

(I think whomever briefed him, told him it comes in single and double seater versions but with two engine

)

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 11 Sep 2020 23:08

hnair wrote:nachiket, while waiting for signal to takeoff or during descent, the pilot switches off one engine to conserve fuel.

This is a major milestone event in IAF and they have to do this....gwarp!

(I think whomever briefed him, told him it comes in single and double seater versions but with two engine )

I think Dassault should fire their PR department and hire this gentleman. Who else can claim with a straight face that each Rafale comes with its own Air Superiority and Nuclear Deterrence?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 11 Sep 2020 23:11

oh I thought the two seater had two engines so that both pilots can fly the plane independently onlee saar.

asbchakri · Post by **asbchakri** » 13 Sep 2020 01:07

So when do the next batch start coming

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 13 Sep 2020 03:55

Mort Walker wrote:^^^Just be happy Rajnath Singh didn't touch French Defence Minister's feet. I admit I have not seen IAF induction ceremonies in the past, but watching clips of this on TV was cringeworthy at best.

Indian govt may be hyping up the Rafale to make it politically easier to order the next batch of 36.

Nalla Baalu · Post by **Nalla Baalu** » 13 Sep 2020 03:58

Per NDTV, ETA for next set is November and final deliveries by 2021 (End of the year, presumably).

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/5-rafal ... ts-2293087

asbchakri wrote:So when do the next batch start coming

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Sep 2020 06:03

Next set will be in October.
I have heard Rafale flew over Ladakh as display.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 13 Sep 2020 10:40

ramana wrote:Next set will be in October.
I have heard Rafale flew over Ladakh as display.

And how is that news worthy? There are 270 plus MKIs that are the backbone doing duty in the region already.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Sep 2020 18:53

ManuJ wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:^^^Just be happy Rajnath Singh didn't touch French Defence Minister's feet. I admit I have not seen IAF induction ceremonies in the past, but watching clips of this on TV was cringeworthy at best.
Indian govt may be hyping up the Rafale to make it politically easier to order the next batch of 36.

If another 36 are ordered before the 83 LCA Tejas Mk1, then it is absolutely criminal of the MoD and IAF. It means the defense leadership doesn't give a damn about Indian MIC in the long run.