VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby srai » 22 Feb 2018 10:12

^^^
:rotfl: complains about scaling up LCA production with only 40 on the order book while happy with 36 Rafale delivery dates at lesser units/year. Double standards!

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Postby viveks » 22 Feb 2018 21:40

Quite a bit of time there.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 23 Feb 2018 01:37

abhik wrote:Are the French really going to take 6 years (2025) to deliver 36 fighters? IMO in that case the chances of a follow up order are really slim, with the F35 taking priority.

Not really, as deliveries are expected to be complete by 2022.

India’s Air Force Interested in 36 More Rafale Fighter Jets From France
https://thediplomat.com/2017/08/indias- ... om-france/

Delivery of the Rafale fighter jets is expected to begin in November 2019 and will likely be completed in the middle of 2022.

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Postby srai » 23 Feb 2018 06:26

^^^
It's six years total -> 3-years to start of deliveries from contract signing and another 3-years to complete deliveries of the 36 units on order. If we add time for selection, negotiations, etc., will be more years.

For comparison, LCA Mk.1 IOC-2 achieved in Dec-2013 and that is when serial production was initiated. So we are in the 4-year mark at this point for its production from ground up (unlike the Rafale which has an active production line for many years). All 20 Tejas IOC-2 plus 20 FOC will be delivered by sometime 2020. Roughly 6 to 7 years total from 20-Dec-2013. Not much different from delivery timelines.


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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 04 Mar 2018 05:33

No question of Rafale deal going the Bofors way: Nirmala
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 526_1.html

Dismissing allegations of corruption in the contract for 36 Rafale jets, defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman today asserted there can be no comparison between the scam-hit Bofors gun deal and the procurement of the fighter aircraft. "Do not even compare it (Rafale deal) with Bofors. There is no scam here," Sitharaman told reporters when asked whether Rafale deal will go the Bofors way. Sitharaman said she would welcome if the Congress raises the issue of procurement of Rafale jets when the budget session of the Parliament reconvenes from Monday. "I will welcome it (if Congress raises it)," she said.

The Congress has been ramping up attack on the government over the Rafale issue, claiming that the deal negotiated under its rule was much cheaper then the contract signed by the Modi government to procure 36 Rafale fighter jets from France at a cost of Rs 58,000 crore. Official sources claimed the original deal to procure 126 fighter jet could not go through during the UPA rule despite reaching the final stage due to an intervention by the then defence minister A K Antony as he felt something wrong in the process. They said the government selected Rafale for procurement of the 36 fighter jets not because of the price arrived at during the UPA tenure but due to the "overarching" assessment of the jet. There were allegations that pay-offs were made in procurement of the artillery guns from Swedish arms manufacturer AB Bofors in late 1980s during the then Congress government.

The allegations and its subsequent political ramifications had severely crippled the Indian Army's procurement of artillery guns. Alleging corruption, the Congress has been asking the government whether the per aircraft price of Rafale, according to international bids opened on December 12, 2012, comes to USD 80.95 million (Rs 526.1 crore) as against the Modi government's per aircraft negotiated price of USD 241.66 Million (Rs 1,570.8 crore) as per current exchange rates. The UPA government floated a tender in 2007 for purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for the Air Force and, post negotiations, two of them--Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon -- remained in the reckoning. However, the deal could not be finalised by the UPA regime.

The Congress had also claimed that Qatar had purchased 12 Rafale fighter jets in November 2017 for USD 108.33 million per aircraft (Rs 694.80 crore), noting that the per aircraft rate at which the Gulf nation is buying the jet is much lower than the rate at which India will procure them. The government has refused to give details of the price break up of each rafale aircraft, citing confidentiality provisions of a 2008 Indo-France pact. In a detailed statement, the defence ministry last month had termed as "unfounded" allegations made by the Congress about the Rafale deal, asserting that the demand to disclose details such as its value was "unrealistic" as doing so might compromise India's national security. It had said giving an item-wise cost and other information would reveal details about weapons systems and customisation of the jet. The ministry had said that in 2012, the then defence minister exercised an unprecedented personal veto on the laid down institutional process then underway for the procurement of the 126 jets.

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Postby Austin » 06 Mar 2018 20:57

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 174886.cms

M/s DA (Dassault Aviation) was determined as L1 (lowest bidder) based on Total Cost of Acquisition (TCA). The cost of 36 Rafale aircraft cannot be directly compared to the cost of original 126 MMRCA proposal as deliverables are significantly different," Sitharaman said.

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Postby JayS » 06 Mar 2018 21:36

Rakesh wrote:No question of Rafale deal going the Bofors way: Nirmala
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 526_1.html

Dismissing allegations of corruption in the contract for 36 Rafale jets, defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman today asserted there can be no comparison between the scam-hit Bofors gun deal and the procurement of the fighter aircraft. "Do not even compare it (Rafale deal) with Bofors. There is no scam here," Sitharaman told reporters when asked whether Rafale deal will go the Bofors way. Sitharaman said she would welcome if the Congress raises the issue of procurement of Rafale jets when the budget session of the Parliament reconvenes from Monday. "I will welcome it (if Congress raises it)," she said.

The Congress has been ramping up attack on the government over the Rafale issue, claiming that the deal negotiated under its rule was much cheaper then the contract signed by the Modi government to procure 36 Rafale fighter jets from France at a cost of Rs 58,000 crore. Official sources claimed the original deal to procure 126 fighter jet could not go through during the UPA rule despite reaching the final stage due to an intervention by the then defence minister A K Antony as he felt something wrong in the process. They said the government selected Rafale for procurement of the 36 fighter jets not because of the price arrived at during the UPA tenure but due to the "overarching" assessment of the jet. There were allegations that pay-offs were made in procurement of the artillery guns from Swedish arms manufacturer AB Bofors in late 1980s during the then Congress government.

The allegations and its subsequent political ramifications had severely crippled the Indian Army's procurement of artillery guns. Alleging corruption, the Congress has been asking the government whether the per aircraft price of Rafale, according to international bids opened on December 12, 2012, comes to USD 80.95 million (Rs 526.1 crore) as against the Modi government's per aircraft negotiated price of USD 241.66 Million (Rs 1,570.8 crore) as per current exchange rates. The UPA government floated a tender in 2007 for purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for the Air Force and, post negotiations, two of them--Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon -- remained in the reckoning. However, the deal could not be finalised by the UPA regime.

The Congress had also claimed that Qatar had purchased 12 Rafale fighter jets in November 2017 for USD 108.33 million per aircraft (Rs 694.80 crore), noting that the per aircraft rate at which the Gulf nation is buying the jet is much lower than the rate at which India will procure them. The government has refused to give details of the price break up of each rafale aircraft, citing confidentiality provisions of a 2008 Indo-France pact. In a detailed statement, the defence ministry last month had termed as "unfounded" allegations made by the Congress about the Rafale deal, asserting that the demand to disclose details such as its value was "unrealistic" as doing so might compromise India's national security. It had said giving an item-wise cost and other information would reveal details about weapons systems and customisation of the jet. The ministry had said that in 2012, the then defence minister exercised an unprecedented personal veto on the laid down institutional process then underway for the procurement of the 126 jets.


Does that mean its the UPA who made a pact with France which is stopping NDA-2 govt from declaring detailed..?

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Postby Cosmo_R » 07 Mar 2018 02:53

Austin wrote:The US blocks the sale to Egypt of Scalp-EG airborne cruise missiles for Rafale

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 68856.html


Here's the Egyptian POV

https://www.egyptdailynews.com/detail/t ... s-to-egypt

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 07 Mar 2018 03:13

DIAT, Dassault set to train workforce for Rafale unit in Nagpur
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 192353.cms

City-based Defence Institute of Advanced Technology (DIAT) and French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation will sign a memorandum of understanding on March 12, envisaging a two-year training course, including a year-long stint in France, for select DIAT students. After clearing the course, the candidates will join the Dassault-Reliance aerospace manufacturing facility, which is coming up at the Mihan SEZ in Nagpur. Under this joint venture (51% Reliance Infrastructure and 49% Dassault Aviation), the facility will manufacture several components of the offset obligation connected to the purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from France. Surendra Pal, vice chancellor of DIAT, a deemed university under the Defence Research and Development Organisation, said on Tuesday, “We have received a letter of intent (LoI) from Dassault Aviation informing us to sign the MoU on March 12. It will be a big opportunity for our students. Initially, they have decided to hire six to seven students every year.” He said, “A team of Dassault Aviation had visited various top ranked institutions, including the DIAT, in the country before expressing their desire to collaborate with us.”

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 07 Mar 2018 22:44

The only countries I see (in the immediate short term) for exports is the UAE. The UAE main sticking point with the Rafale - apart from the price - was a more powerful M88 engine. That I think has now been overcome with the 1 billion euro investment from India to Safran - via the offset deal.

Sale of more Rafale jets high on French President Macron’s India agenda
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 970346.ece

Notwithstanding the controversy in India over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets, the French are going to push New Delhi for a follow-on order of 100 or more of such warplanes under ‘Make in India’ during the visit of French President Emmanuel Macron. The bilateral summit-level meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Macron will take place on Saturday. While all issues concerning India-France Strategic Partnership will be discussed, cooperation in defence is going to be the main focus from the French side, sources told BusinessLine.

Macron, on a three-day visit, will be accompanied by CEOs of almost all top French defence firms. This includes the chief of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier; Chairman and CEO of Naval Group Hervé Guillou; Thales CEO Patrice Caine; and Safran Group CEO Philippe Petitcolin. The follow-on order for 100-150 more Rafale jets is likely to be one of the topmost items in Macron’s agenda. According to diplomatic sources, the French are treating the recent controversy around the purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft as an “internal political matter” of India.

The French are pushing India to go for another programme where Rafale will set up a production line here to address the needs of the Indian Air Force as well as augment defence exports from India. Although India signed the $7.8-billion deal to acquire 36 Rafale jets, manufactured by Dassault Aviation, in fly-away condition with the previous French government, the present Macron administration has also been pushing to expand the deal. During the visit of French Defence Minister Florence Parly to India in October last year, the issue of a follow-on order for Rafale was taken up. However, India has remained non-committal on the matter.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Philip » 08 Mar 2018 20:22

Macron has given an interview to a TV channel:
Rafale a "win-win" for India".India negotiated deal very well..." :rotfl: Rafale tres bien ....
The " Macaroon" will be sweet talking and sweet selling the Raffy like an Arc champion filly at Longchamps!

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 09 Mar 2018 06:00

What America failed to do, now France is giving it a try....

France: India’s new Russia?
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... i-5091279/

Alliance with Paris promises stability in Eurasia and Indo-Pacific as Delhi recalibrates ties with Moscow

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Postby Philip » 09 Mar 2018 08:13

France's Gaullist stance was in many ways similar to India's during Mrs.G's time.There is a lot more in common between the two countries than meets the eye.The relationship is steadily growing based upon shared values.

The Q can it replace Russia is the wrong Q.It should be instead , can it also reach the level of Indo- Russian tech. cooperation? There are several points.First exactly what can France give us that we can't get from Russia in terms of tech and at what cost? French eqpt. is so high that there are limitations.India cannot overnight replace Russian hardware ,etc. with another foreign partner just as we have nailed to the doorpost the mantra of " make in India".Read Adm. Bhagwat's detailed analysis as to how deep the defence cooperation relationship has penetrated.

Moreover, is the US imposing sanctions upon Russia by the old Cold War establishment in Washington and London that is forcing Russia and China closer together, not an anti- Indian attitude.

Macron is coming as a salesman for French milware.The key Q we should ask is , " what is France's relationship with China?" It enjoys huge trade with China.Approx 9% of its trade is with China..How are we going to match this figure ?

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 00:27

Philip, please illustrate the level of Indo-Russian tech cooperation?

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 00:38

Rahul Gandhi to meet Macron, not to raise Rafale deal
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 237503.cms

Congress President Rahul Gandhi is scheduled to meet French President Emmanuel Macron during his four-day India visit. According to sources, the meeting is slated for Sunday after Gandhi returns from his two-nation visit to Thailand and Singapore that is part of his overseas Indians outreach plan. The Congress, which has launched a tirade against the government over the Rafale deal that Prime Minister Narendra Modi struck during his visit to France in April 2015, however, said that the issue would not be raised during the meeting. "The Congress party will not discuss India's defence deal with the head of state of a foreign country. This is our internal matter and this discussion the government has to do with France and not the Congress. "We are demanding answers from our government and not from the French government," Congress communications in-charge Randeep Surjewala said. Alluding to the Rafale deal, he said that when one goes to buy something, the buyer has to ensure whether the product is good or not, as the seller will obviously say his product is good. The buyer has to decide looking at his pocket, Surjewala said.

"The government has to ensure that its money is not wasted and gets the best deal in the least money. There should be no loss to the state exchequer. It is not the responsibility of Mr Macron, but Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Defence minister, on which they have failed," he alleged. The Congress has been attacking the government on the Rafale deal and demanding answers from it over the price of the aircraft. The Congress on Friday alleged that the government has caused a loss of Rs 12,612 crore to the state exchequer by buying the aircraft from Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of Rafale fighter jets. The party alleged that the company sold each jet to India at Rs 351 crore more than those sold to Qatar and Egypt 11 months ago. The government has refused to divulge details of the purchase price of Rafale jets due to the "secrecy clause" in the agreement signed with the French government. Surjewala said if a President or Prime Minister of any country come to India, "He is our guest and there are no differences between the government and the opposition."

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 01:18

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/972123035783323653 ---> Indian MoD statement on Rafale deal expected any moment now.

has been changed to..... :)

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/972161389828755456 ---> So the MoD's Rafale statement is to come only tomorrow. With President Emmanuel Macron in Delhi. Interesting day ahead.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 01:19

The above is so vague, I would not even want to make a guess what the announcement will be.

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Postby Philip » 10 Mar 2018 02:31

The IAF's lament about lack of fighters and the push it is receiving from outside quarters plus stiut defencd of the deal by the govt., indicates that more Raffys are more likely than not.Soundbites from both countries appear positive.

Adm.Bhagwat has spelt out the level of Indo-Ru coop. v.well.We have enough tds on systems being jointly developed like BMos, MKIs, subs, etc.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Kartik » 10 Mar 2018 02:45

I could bet that there is not going to be any announcement of any additional Rafales. While I'd be overjoyed if a couple more Rafale squadrons were ordered at much lower prices than the first 36 order, I cannot believe that to be possible under the prevailing political circumstances.

In the prevailing scenario where the IAF cannot pay for existing contracts without additional funds being allocated, it seems the GoI must focus first on providing adequate funds for the existing contracts. If they order additional Rafales, or begin negotiations for those, at least put your money where your mouth is. :roll:

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Cain Marko » 10 Mar 2018 03:24

Fingers crossed, one can never have enough of Katrina.

My guess is that if the Kaveri issue has been sorted out with French assistance, another order for 36 Rafale is a given. When is uncertain.

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Postby Katare » 10 Mar 2018 03:36

Nothing's going to happen......Modiji is not going to give any more talking points to pappuji

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Postby srai » 10 Mar 2018 03:50

Cain Marko wrote:Fingers crossed, one can never have enough of Katrina.

My guess is that if the Kaveri issue has been sorted out with French assistance, another order for 36 Rafale is a given. When is uncertain.

Budget is the biggest issue. For the current order of 36 Rafales for $8 billion, India needs to pay on an average $1.3 billion every year for the next 6-years. Plus, there are other committed import liabilities, such as C-130, Apache, Chinook, etc. Not to mention indigenous purchases of Tejas and various radars and SAM.

Recent news report brought to light that there isn’t enough funds to pay committed liabilities as of this year. I doubt next order will take place any time soon. At least a billion dollar needs to come off the books before another 36 Rafales can be signed. Overall defense budget is not going to increase anytime soon.

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Postby Katare » 10 Mar 2018 09:43

Don’t forget the S-400 order worth $5billion is probably next in line.

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Postby Philip » 10 Mar 2018 11:32

Cong. keep the attack on the deal quoting lower prices for Egypt and Qatar.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 18:50

India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/03 ... fales.html

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 19:12

Video

https://twitter.com/sandeepunnithan/sta ... 1095911429 ---> Dassault CEO Eric Trappier on the price confidentiality in the Rafale.

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 19:15

Rafale Models in IAF colours with SCALP and MICA. The one on left is a single seater. The one on right is (likely) a twin seater.

https://twitter.com/sandeepunnithan/sta ... 4699616257 ---> Eric Trappier, CEO, Dassault, wouldn’t tell me, but I know there are more Rafales on the table.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2018 19:26

The strategic level
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cove ... 2018-03-08

By Sandeep Unnithan

MARITIME DIMENSION - French air force Rafales fly over the missile frigate INS Tarkash during the Indo-French naval exercise, Varuna, off France in May 2017

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they should paint whole of india in blue !!

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Postby Zynda » 10 Mar 2018 21:53

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Awesome photograph illustrating few aspects of aerodynamics/air flow over Rafale. Almost looks like a colour Schlieren photography.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby ramana » 10 Mar 2018 23:33

Now India Toady writes about strategic dimension while owners work hard to undermine it.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2018 00:52

Rafale G2G deal, pricing matter between governments of India, France: Dassault Aviation CEO
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/r ... 2018-03-10

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby KrishnaK » 11 Mar 2018 01:56

Rakesh wrote:India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/03 ... fales.html
Heaven sent, if it goes through !

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Philip » 11 Mar 2018 04:31

More Raffys definite.The 7+B Euro figs appear accurate corresponding to the fig. I found in a mag of approx $10+B. Just as a comparison the latest deal for approx 50 Typhoons announced by BAe for the Saudis is $10B.That's approx 14 aircraft more for the same price.The argument that we should've renegotiated with both Dassault and the EF group before scrapping the MMRCA award and purchasing the 36 Raffys, were EF where offering us a 20% discount has some merit, but it is all past history now, but will be red- flagged by the Oppn. in parliament.

However, the price cannot be forever kept a secret.It only arouses suspicion that there is more to the matter esp. as the R co. stands to gain hugely in the French mil deals.The only expensive piece of ordnance is Meteor AAMs, which may also be part of the other deals for Egypt., etc. and the just announced Typhoon deal with the Saudis.The general specs for other Raffy deals will be heavily scrutinised by Oppn. critics.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2018 07:01

KrishnaK wrote:
Rakesh wrote:India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/03 ... fales.html
Heaven sent, if it goes through !

Krishna nothing is going to move till May 2019. After that, it is a more likely possibility. But nothing happening now.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby SaiK » 11 Mar 2018 07:35

Hopefully, AMCA takes some shape by then, and LCA Mk2 begins LSP1 - vision 2020

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2018 21:39

https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/972823972286029825 --> Interesting. The official #DefExpo flyer on India’s defence manufacturing capabilities has a picture of the Rafale.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Philip » 11 Mar 2018 22:21

Further media report, our official statement, decision only after delivery of first 36 fighters.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby nash » 12 Mar 2018 01:21

https://twitter.com/rahulsinghx/status/ ... 1881486336 -Watch out this space for important newsbreak on India's fighter jet programme.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/972876681244528640

May be we can hear something in 12 March morning.


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