VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 25 Apr 2018 22:27

X-Post from the Indian Nuclear Submarines thread...

Thales looking at role in India’s nuclear submarine project
https://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/th ... -1.2209632

When asked about the project to upgrade the IAF’s Mirage 2000 fighter jets, Sourisse said it was moving along “very well”. Thales is a part of the project along with Dassault Aviation. On the Rafale deal, she said it would be a “win-win” proposition for India. Thales will provide equipment and systems that are expected to account for about 25 per cent of the total value of each Rafale. India had inked an inter-governmental agreement with France in September 2016 for the procurement of 36 Rafale fighter jets at a cost of around Rs 58,000 crore.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 25 Apr 2018 22:38

Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd begins assembly of Falcon jet cockpit at MIHAN in Nagpur
https://www.nagpurtoday.in/dassault-rel ... r/04251723

Nagpur: The Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) has started commercial production of Falcon – the business jet made by Dassault Aviation, France – at its unit in Dhirubhai Ambani Aerospace Park, MIHAN-SEZ, from April 18. In the first phase, the DRAL is assembling cockpit along with landing gear and other parts. A team of 50 experts including five engineers and 30 local technicians are working in this project. Expansion of the project would provide jobs to many engineers. The unit set up at the MIHAN SEZ in Nagpur is part of Reliance Aerospace Park which is coming up on in an area of 106 acres. At this Park, the DRAL project is on 56 acre land. In the beginning, production of Falcon jet cockpit and spare parts has commenced. The set up of machinery and actual work was done under the leadership of DRAL’s Chief Executive Officer Sampatkumar and Chief Operating Officer Robert Loock within 60 days. Both these officers were camping in city since September 2107. A workshop for providing hi-tech training for new recruits has been set up. At the outset, five engineers were given six-month training in Dassault Aviation Company in France and the 30 local technicians were trained at a special training centre in Kamptee. The production of entire Falcon business jet will be done in three years and that of Rafale fighter jet in five years at Dhirubhai Ambani Aerospace Park. India is purchasing 36 Rafale fighter jets worth Rs 60,000 crore.

As the offset obligation connected to the purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from France, signed between the two Governments in September 2016, Dassault Aviation has to invest 50 percent of the cost in India. Under this obligation, the Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd has commenced the project at MIHAN SEZ. The DRAL has imported machinery from France for manufacture of spare parts. The machinery reached Nagpur in containers from France via Chennai. DRAL will manufacture components for the Legacy Falcon 2000 Series of Civil Jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation and thus will become part of its Global Supply Chain. These first steps are expected to achieve in the coming years, the possible setting up of final assembly of Rafale and Falcon Aircraft. The Joint Venture also represents a unequalled Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) by Dassault Aviation of over 100 Million Euros, the largest such Defence FDI in one location in India. The DRAL facility will train thousands of skilled workers in aviation assembly and integration, and lead to huge employment generation in Nagpur and its surrounding areas. It will also attract and house an organic ecosystem of over 200 MSMEs to secure the component and avionics manufacturing needs of Rafale and Falcon Jets.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Rakesh » 05 Jun 2018 20:45

^^^^ Video of the above link. Beautiful!

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1003922265057177600 ---> “There is no scandal in #Rafale, we are very clear on that,” Defence Minister Sitharaman.


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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Austin » 08 Jun 2018 11:18

CAG report on Rafale deal near completion’

“Yes, an audit of the Rafale fighter aircraft deal is on and is nearing completion.

New Delhi: The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) had undertaken an audit of the Rafale fighter deal and the report will be ready in a short time, a highly-placed source familiar with the country’s national auditing mechanism, has told this newspaper.

“Yes, an audit of the Rafale fighter aircraft deal is on and is nearing completion. After that it will be tabled in parliament,” the source said.

“Such big ticket defence deals are undertaken for audit by CAG on a ‘routine’ basis,” the source said while underscoring the point that defence audits should get priority due to the high value transactions involved.

There is an urgent need to acquire fighter jets for the Indian Air Force in the backdrop of a depleted fleet of 31 squadrons which is much less than the required 45 fighter squadrons which is what India needs in case of a possible two-front war scenario.

A squadron comprises about 16-18 fighters. On Tuesday, Defence Minister Sitharaman, dispelling all allegations of wrongdoing in the deal called them “politically motivated”.

“I am assuring you in the company of all the senior officials that yes there is no scandal in Rafale. We are very clear about that,” she said replying to a question on allegations of a scam in the Rafale deal.

The minister, addressing a press conference along with top officials of the defence ministry on the occasion of the fourth anniversary of the NDA government, said that “false comparisons” were made between the price at which India was procuring the jets and the price being negotiated by some other countries.

India had signed a government-to-government agreement with France in September 2016 for buying 36 Rafale fighter jets at a cost of around Rs 58,000 crore. The first consignment of the jets is expected in September 2019.

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Postby Karan M » 08 Jun 2018 12:07

^^ The CAG IIRC was the previous admins defense secretary. This does not bode well for the current admin, which is as savvy about such matters as a headless chicken, judging by the dogs breakfast the CAG report on the LCA was and yet it was not even countered by the MOD or ADA.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Austin » 08 Jun 2018 17:07

Karan M wrote:^^ The CAG IIRC was the previous admins defense secretary. This does not bode well for the current admin, which is as savvy about such matters as a headless chicken, judging by the dogs breakfast the CAG report on the LCA was and yet it was not even countered by the MOD or ADA.


As an independent constitutional body , CAG Audit report is available for all to see and discuss.

Why do you assume there would be any wrong doing in this deal in the first place , for all you know this would put to rest any doubts of any scam in this deal , the MOD is confidently saying this.

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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby dinesha » 12 Jun 2018 19:34

https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/ ... -2019.html
Rafale delivery will commence in September 2019 Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa

In April, the Indian Air Force carried out the largest war games in the last three decades by bringing together more than 1,100 aircraft. The exercise, named Gagan Shakti, was used to test the IAF’s combat readiness for a short and intense war. It boosted the confidence of the Air Force, especially with regard to fighting a two-front war. At the biannual meeting of top IAF commanders held on May 31, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman praised the force for carrying out such a major exercise without any glitches. She said the focus of the exercise was to draw lessons for evolving the doctrinal loop of the IAF.

If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).
The man who was in charge of the exercise was Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa. In an exclusive interview with THE WEEK, he said the exercise demonstrated the IAF’s capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. Dhanoa, however, expressed concern about the depleting combat strength of the IAF, and said the force would reach its desired strength only by 2032. At present, the IAF has 31 fighter squadrons, but it needs at least 42 to fight a two-front war. In comparison, Pakistan has 25 combat squadrons, while China has 60.

Dhanoa defended the Rafale deal by saying that there was “no overpricing” and that the government negotiated a very good deal. He said the delivery of the Rafale jets was progressing as planned and they were expected to be inducted into the IAF between 2019 and 2022.

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How was the IAF’s experience with Gagan Shakti?

It was one of the largest exercises conducted by the IAF, considering the scale of asset utilisation and manpower participation. The IAF has achieved more than its laid-down objectives for the exercise. The aim was to test our real time coordination, deployment and employment of air power in a short and intense battle scenario. The logistic stamina, operational logistics, supply chain management, op readiness and prolonged sustenance of high tempo operations were put to test.

What are the lessons learnt from the exercise?

The IAF demonstrated its capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. During the exercise, the IAF carried out missions across all spectrums of flying operations. We carried out the exercise in close coordination with the Army and the Navy. The capability to conduct special operations by transport and helicopter fleets like large-scale para drop, inter-valley troop transfer, and the utilisation of advanced landing grounds were practiced towards the delivery of combat power, in the shortest possible time. The IAF also demonstrated the enhanced reach of combat platforms in the maritime domain, while operating from bases in southern India. We have learnt valuable lessons in these spheres and there have been many takeaways from this exercise that will be incorporated on priority.

Has the report of the umpires nominated to judge the exercise been finalised?

Critical analysis of the exercise is underway to highlight the areas of concern and to suggest measures to improve our combat potential. The improvement of operational efficiency is an ongoing process. This exercise has brought out many important aspects of operations, which would help hone the combat potential of the IAF further.

How do you react to the dwindling combat squadrons of the IAF?

The IAF is the guardian of the Indian skies. We are ready 24x7 to respond to any hostile situation, with our available resources. As far as the drawdown in the strength of the fighter squadrons is concerned, it is being given due emphasis. We are upgrading MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage-2000 aircraft in a phased manner, as part of obsolescence management. The induction of 36 Rafale aircraft will commence by September 2019, and will significantly enhance our operational capability. The induction of the remaining Su-30 MKI aircraft [of the total 272] from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will be completed by 2020. The induction of the 40 indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas is also ongoing. Additionally, the RFP (Request for Proposal) for the procurement of 83 LCA Mk1A was issued last December.

When is the IAF expected to achieve its required combat strength?

The next step would be the design and development of the LCA Mk2 which has been renamed as medium weight fighter (MWF). Further, RFI (Request for Information) for 110 new fighters has been issued on April 6, 2018. If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).

Do you expect timely delivery of the Rafale jets?

All activities related to the induction of the 36 Rafale aircraft are progressing as planned. The delivery will commence in September 2019, and will be complete by April 2022.

Is the IAF prepared for a two-front war?

The IAF is capable of meeting every challenge that our country is likely to face.


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Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Postby Karan M » 12 Jun 2018 22:54

Austin wrote:
Karan M wrote:^^ The CAG IIRC was the previous admins defense secretary. This does not bode well for the current admin, which is as savvy about such matters as a headless chicken, judging by the dogs breakfast the CAG report on the LCA was and yet it was not even countered by the MOD or ADA.


As an independent constitutional body , CAG Audit report is available for all to see and discuss.

Why do you assume there would be any wrong doing in this deal in the first place , for all you know this would put to rest any doubts of any scam in this deal , the MOD is confidently saying this.


I already posted why, and you are asking why? Suffice to say in the run up to 2019, the Rafale deal is a useful weapon and the Modi led GOI has constantly shown itself to be clueless when it comes to handling the ecosystem ranged against it. Even if there were no illegalities commited, the CAG muddying up the topic with its usual beancountimg gyan is still useful for the admins opponents. The Tejas report was a perfect example with half baked assertions galore. Lets agree to disagree as it is anyhow OT.

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