VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

The Military Issues & History Forum is a venue to discuss issues relating to the military aspects of the Indian Armed Forces, whether the past, present or future. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Post Reply
bharathp
BRFite
Posts: 453
Joined: 24 Jul 2017 03:44

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by bharathp »

kit wrote:Hope down the line., the Rafale progressively gets MKIsed with Indian sensors and weapons
my jingo mindset wants the Tejas Mk2 to be rafale-ized rather than the rafale being MKIsed -
but agree that if rafale is MKIsed then all the toys from different vendors can play together
nachiket
Forum Moderator
Posts: 9097
Joined: 02 Dec 2008 10:49

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by nachiket »

bharathp wrote: my jingo mindset wants the Tejas Mk2 to be rafale-ized
Hain? What does that entail?
S_Madhukar
BRFite
Posts: 513
Joined: 27 Mar 2019 18:15

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by S_Madhukar »

Raf-30 MKI oh God... no wonder katrina has settled in India ...
bharathp
BRFite
Posts: 453
Joined: 24 Jul 2017 03:44

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by bharathp »

nachiket wrote:
bharathp wrote: my jingo mindset wants the Tejas Mk2 to be rafale-ized
Hain? What does that entail?
saar, pls dont read too much into this
all I meant was Tejas Mk2 to be a strong contender to replace Rafale at some point
Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14331
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Aditya_V »

Ideally Jingos will like AMCA, and TEDBF giving birth to ORCA
kit
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6278
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 18:16

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by kit »

S_Madhukar wrote:Raf-30 MKI oh God... no wonder katrina has settled in India ...
The speed.at which Indian missile and.avionics tech is progressing, its not too far when it catches up with and in some , surpasses European tech.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

Rakesh wrote:Great news below! Rafale just got a massive boost in the MRFA and MRCBF contests.

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... R1WHH17Cog ---> Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to commence the integration of Astra air-to-air missile and Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon (SAAW) on Dassault Rafale F3R fighter aircraft acquired by Indian Air Force.

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... R1WHH17Cog ---> In a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed between BDL and Dassault Aviation during Defence Expo 2022 on Thursday, it is formally announced that integration of the indigenous systems is for both Indian Air Force and export customers of the Rafale aircraft.
https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... KbIN4-vREA ---> Airbus Defence to collaborate with Bharat Dynamics Limited for future collaboration on opportunities in India's MMRCA Programme and integration of BDL systems on Typhoon/Eurocopter.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now even the Euro consortium is open to integrating BDL products, just like the recent Dassault announcement. Indian weaponry is obviously cheaper than the boutique Western Euro kit and even their American counterparts.

Potential international Typhoon customers - to save on costs - could be flying with Indian AAMs in the future.
See this info sheet from Def Exp 2022 ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7900&p=2568029#p2568029
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... KbIN4-vREA ---> Targo-II is a state-of-the-art Display And Sight Helmet (DASH) produced by Elbit systems of Israel, and is primarily equipped on the Dassault Rafale F3R omnirole fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force to offer precision display aid for the pilot.

Image
KSingh
BRFite
Posts: 504
Joined: 16 Jun 2020 17:52

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by KSingh »

Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Great news below! Rafale just got a massive boost in the MRFA and MRCBF contests.

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... R1WHH17Cog ---> Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to commence the integration of Astra air-to-air missile and Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon (SAAW) on Dassault Rafale F3R fighter aircraft acquired by Indian Air Force.

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... R1WHH17Cog ---> In a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed between BDL and Dassault Aviation during Defence Expo 2022 on Thursday, it is formally announced that integration of the indigenous systems is for both Indian Air Force and export customers of the Rafale aircraft.
https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... KbIN4-vREA ---> Airbus Defence to collaborate with Bharat Dynamics Limited for future collaboration on opportunities in India's MMRCA Programme and integration of BDL systems on Typhoon/Eurocopter.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now even the Euro consortium is open to integrating BDL products, just like the recent Dassault announcement. Indian weaponry is obviously cheaper than the boutique Western Euro kit and even their American counterparts.

Potential international Typhoon customers - to save on costs - could be flying with Indian AAMs in the future.
See this info sheet from Def Exp 2022 ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7900&p=2568029#p2568029
Rafale just got a lot more attractive to order for IAF, US keeps saying they’ll do the same but burying that india will need to pay the nose

Why even continue with the MRFA at this point? The rest of the world is laughing whilst Indians are crying
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

If we are contracting in USD, the Rafale just got 20% or so cheaper...

France needs USD to buy LNG from the US. The French have realised that no French-German mil programs are ever going to take off. Germany, Swiss, and all other nato countries will only buy American fighters going fwd, the economic down turn will see acquisitions from RoW (except perhaps the ME) put on stand by for some indefinite time. Sub deal with AUS is dead though some ppl believe it could be revived. St Nazaire order book doesn't look great. New French mil exports are critical to sustain what remains of their MIC and brings in money for the French Govt to replenish their own stocks after donations to Ukr.

If MoD negotiates hard they can get a Rafale deal India can afford with strategically interesting add-ons thrown in. Recent visit by French FM who went back empty handed indicates we are doing exactly that.

The power dynamics have changed significantly now, NO country can outright "refuse" to integrate new Indian munitions on their a/c if technically feasible.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... PWXfM5GDRQ ---> The photos from recent RAF-IAF exercise, also featured a Rafale DH with InfraRed Search and Track (IRST) system within FSO. The French planned to integrate it with their F4 fleet, along with HMDS. Apparently, IAF got it first.

Image
Kersi
BRFite
Posts: 467
Joined: 31 May 2017 12:25

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Kersi »

kit wrote:
S_Madhukar wrote:Raf-30 MKI oh God... no wonder katrina has settled in India ...
The speed.at which Indian missile and.avionics tech is progressing, its not too far when it catches up with and in some , surpasses European tech.
TATHASTU :D :D :D :D :D
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/15 ... Oi1TDoL4qQ ---> Breaking Barriers! Flt Lt Shivangi Singh with her Indian Air Force Rafale F3R omnirole fighter aircraft.

Image

Flt Lt Shivangi Singh

Image Source: https://www.vogue.in/whats-new/content/ ... ighter-jet

Image
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... JAx5fMQEag ---> Okay...so now we know that at least two Indian Air Force Rafale DH airframes (RB007 and RB003) are upgraded to F3R(I) standard, sporting India-Specific Enhancement (ISE). And to my surprise, this clear image suggests it is different from what we had seen on Rafale F4 testbed!

Image
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

Some details on F4:
https://omnirole-rafale.com/avionique/o ... r-frontal/

The FSO has an IRST and FLIR ball, and a faceted Laser/TV telemeter-tracker. Volume of 80 litres weight 87kg. Lot of nice details and schematics there.

The Rafale pictured above in IAF colours seems to have the 2 part F4 version saar ! The smaller zoom circle to the left in the pix above F4 test bed also seems to be the same FSO, only the pix was taken from the front, not from the side. At least to my eyes. Dunno if andar ki baat is different for F3R(I) and F4 FSOs.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... IZPaurdHGA ---> Nice photo of an Indian Air Force Rafale DH F3R, armed with MICA IR SR-CCM and MICA EM S/MR-AAM. The pilot is also equipped with a helmet mounted Night Vision Goggles (NVG).

Photo by sir @ https://www.instagram.com/kamal.beri1234/

Image
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

The 36th Rafale (RB008) is the first Rafale to be produced by Dassault for the IAF.

She was also the first Rafale with all the ISE installed for testing and evaluation.

India to receive its last Rafale by December 15
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 109151030/
09 Nov 2022
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... JAx5fMQEag ---> Okay...so now we know that at least two Indian Air Force Rafale DH airframes (RB007 and RB003) are upgraded to F3R(I) standard, sporting India-Specific Enhancement (ISE). And to my surprise, this clear image suggests it is different from what we had seen on Rafale F4 testbed!
https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... IZPaurdHGA ---> And I guess this is the one, from Thales itself.

Image
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

Yep !
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... dUPXjl4phQ ----> IAF adds additional enhancements to Rafale fleet including two way data links, new radar modes and Indian EW systems: Report.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

EXCLUSIVE: Final IAF Rafale In Sight, India Squeezes In More Enhancements
https://www.livefistdefence.com/exclusi ... ancements/
12 Nov 2022
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/15 ... MpGleBQEDw ---> What changes did the Indian Air Force get done in the Rafale fighter aircraft as soon as its delivery was completed?

Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

A nice video on the build of 100th Rafale:

JTull
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3113
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 11:31

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by JTull »

Apologies for the full quote. Even if a desi version isn't ready on time, these could be easily integrated into Tejas LCA MK2.
Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... JAx5fMQEag ---> Okay...so now we know that at least two Indian Air Force Rafale DH airframes (RB007 and RB003) are upgraded to F3R(I) standard, sporting India-Specific Enhancement (ISE). And to my surprise, this clear image suggests it is different from what we had seen on Rafale F4 testbed!
https://twitter.com/_devildog_rv_/statu ... IZPaurdHGA ---> And I guess this is the one, from Thales itself.

Image
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

JTull wrote:Apologies for the full quote. Even if a desi version isn't ready on time, these could be easily integrated into Tejas LCA MK2.
The plan is to have the tech from the chosen MRFA aircraft to flow into the upcoming local aviation programs i.e. Tejas Mk2, AMCA, TEDBF, etc.

There were rumours of an "Indian" Spectra suite, but nothing much is known about that.
Pratyush
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12187
Joined: 05 Mar 2010 15:13

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Pratyush »

Rumours of certain kind must never be confirmed.
ks_sachin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2906
Joined: 24 Jun 2000 11:31
Location: Sydney

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by ks_sachin »

Rakesh wrote:
JTull wrote:Apologies for the full quote. Even if a desi version isn't ready on time, these could be easily integrated into Tejas LCA MK2.
The plan is to have the tech from the chosen MRFA aircraft to flow into the upcoming local aviation programs i.e. Tejas Mk2, AMCA, TEDBF, etc.

There were rumours of an "Indian" Spectra suite, but nothing much is known about that.
Admiral what tech?

I thought the prevalent idea was that it is all screwdrivergiri.
Bala Vignesh
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2131
Joined: 30 Apr 2009 02:02
Location: Standing at the edge of the cliff
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Bala Vignesh »

ks_sachin wrote:
Admiral what tech?

I thought the prevalent idea was that it is all screwdrivergiri.
My doubts are the same!! I am of the impression that the whole MRFA scrufufle was supposed to a quick screwdrivergiri job to boost squadron numbers, with no ToT and stuff, except for some lip service.
Kersi
BRFite
Posts: 467
Joined: 31 May 2017 12:25

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Kersi »

Bala Vignesh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
Admiral what tech?

I thought the prevalent idea was that it is all screwdrivergiri.
My doubts are the same!! I am of the impression that the whole MRFA scrufufle was supposed to a quick screwdrivergiri job to boost squadron numbers, with no ToT and stuff, except for some lip service.
Which is perhaps exactly what HAL wants.
JTull
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3113
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 11:31

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by JTull »

Kersi wrote: Which is perhaps exactly what HAL wants.
Alas, but likely true!

I'm getting concerned about reports of HAL placing orders for more Israeli radar units for Mk1A, with Uttam integration pushed back to last 20-30 aircraft. Only thing improving at HAL are brochures. Otherwise it is business as usual.
ks_sachin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2906
Joined: 24 Jun 2000 11:31
Location: Sydney

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by ks_sachin »

JTull wrote:
Kersi wrote: Which is perhaps exactly what HAL wants.
Alas, but likely true!

I'm getting concerned about reports of HAL placing orders for more Israeli radar units for Mk1A, with Uttam integration pushed back to last 20-30 aircraft. Only thing improving at HAL are brochures. Otherwise it is business as usual.
HAL cannot take that decision unilaterally. IAF and LRDE have to be in on it especially as the a/c is built to IAF specs.
HAL is not building the Uttam and it is not its job to ensure Uttam is ready.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

Bala Vignesh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
Admiral what tech?

I thought the prevalent idea was that it is all screwdrivergiri.
My doubts are the same!! I am of the impression that the whole MRFA scrufufle was supposed to a quick screwdrivergiri job to boost squadron numbers, with no ToT and stuff, except for some lip service.
Air HQ's plan is to incorporate tech from the chosen MRFA into local programs. That plan is still on track as per Air HQ, as they are still insisting on 114 MRFA. This was confirmed even by the current Air Chief.

So while the MRFA will be screwdrivergiri onlee, some tech is planned for integration on future local programs. The problem is MRFA is still in the infancy stages (RFI mode) and we would be speculating as to what tech will eventually come.

When I mentioned SPECTRA (the EW suite on the Rafale), the IAF believes it is a game changer. EW is the present and future of air warfare and therefore any chosen MRFA must have a capable EW suite to handle what the PLAAF can throw at us. Otherwise they will swat us like mosquitos.

Fighter aircraft are not acquired to defend your own airspace, but rather to take the fight to the enemy. Good luck achieving any mission success without a capable EW suite. No point in arming aircraft with state of the weaponry if they cannot fly into enemy airspace to deliver that payload. Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, AMCA, etc must feature an EW suite that is more capable than SPECTRA.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

Bala Vignesh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
Admiral what tech?

I thought the prevalent idea was that it is all screwdrivergiri.
My doubts are the same!! I am of the impression that the whole MRFA scrufufle was supposed to a quick screwdrivergiri job to boost squadron numbers, with no ToT and stuff, except for some lip service.
From the Air Chief himself ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7848&start=1640#p2570861

The end goal of MRFA (in Air HQ's eyes) is to further develop sub-systems to incorporate into local programs. An EW suite is just one sub-system. Indigenous turbofan for AMCA is another one, but that is a separate program unto itself.

The problem with MRFA is the cost and more importantly the timeline. End this tamasha and just order a few more Rafale squadrons. Lets see what the MRCBF brings.
Prasad
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7793
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 00:53
Location: Chennai

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Prasad »

Which MRFA manufacturer country is going to "GIVE YOU" tech?
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

Air HQ wants to develop sub-systems via joint ventures with the chosen MRFA. That is what Air HQ wants to do. Now whether that will actually work, will only be proven if the MRFA deal ever reaches fruition.

More phoren MRFA are coming whether we like it or not. I do not believe 114 will come. The money is just not there for that. But more MRFA is definitely on the cards. And if MRCBF arrives - which is likely - then additional phoren MRFA will surely come.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

GE F414 will power the Tejas Mk2, TEDBF and even the first pair of AMCA squadrons. But after all this, the IAF wants to go down the risky path of developing an indigenous turbofan. Why? Something to think about....

IAF Chief Calls For Foreign Collaborations On Futuristic Fighter Jet Programme
https://www.businessworld.in/article/IA ... 22-455446/
25 Nov 2022
Having flagged the IAF’s scepticism on stated deadlines, Air Chief Marshal Chaudhari stressed that there should be no doubt about the alignment of the Air Force to the Aatmanirbharta (self-reliance) agenda. “However, we would prefer key technologies to be indigenous to avoid any foreign dependence during the life cycle of the platform,” he told BW Businessworld.
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

Rakesh wrote: Flt Lt Shivangi Singh
Wow ! a lioness, no less !!
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

Rakesh wrote:Air HQ wants to develop sub-systems via joint ventures with the chosen MRFA. That is what Air HQ wants to do. Now whether that will actually work, will only be proven if the MRFA deal ever reaches fruition.

More phoren MRFA are coming whether we like it or not. I do not believe 114 will come. The money is just not there for that. But more MRFA is definitely on the cards. And if MRCBF arrives - which is likely - then additional phoren MRFA will surely come.
I'm wondering what those locally unobtainable subsystems are, in the timeframe of MRFA is selected, contracted, ordered, delivered and these fringe benefits (thats exactly how the chosen MRFA supplier will see it and work on it) are actually accrued, absorbed and these subsystems are produced end to end locally in India without any IP dependence on anyone abroad. We are talking at the very least a decade, more like 20+ years ie 2043-45 if all goes as originally planned. :eek: :shock:

Now given the successes of the past 2 decades in subsystems like avionics, RLGs, navigation systems, mission computers, FCS, OBOGS ityaadi, if anything, I'd feel quite confident that Indian research & industries can deliver anything that IAF needs, especially in public-private partnerships like ISRO has recently shown with Agnikul and Skyroot.

We are just about achieving a broad tech capability leapfrog and critical mass, and I can feel it. So with required funding, and domestic partnerships (which can cherry pick an expert or two wherever in the world they are or an R2I desi) in TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW, no subsystem that currently exists and is known to IAF will remain unobtainium to us.

If IAF needs these birds to be able to deliver the missions the nations expects of it, just ask/push for the effing birds, no shame in it whatsoever. But this convoluted justification of subsystems etc isn't convincing at all. So with the limited gyaan I surely suffer from compared to the Air HQ, I totally fail to see where they're going with this thinking and approach.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18190
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Rakesh »

They are not living in reality Cyrano-ji. Air HQ will continue to peddle 114 MRFA for as long as they can.

The late Manohar Parrikar put it best ---> the services write RFIs which are equivalent to fantasies from Marvel Comics. Senior leadership in the services never have to face danger, so they can come up with these fantasies. Our country's security rests on the shoulders of Young Officers and NCOs/JCOs. Life is cheap in India, so nobody cares.

Our problem lies in funding. The services don't want to fund anything, but want the best systems that outpaces the rest of the world. Till the funding issue is resolved, comedy shows like MRFA will continue. Saurav Jha tweeted this today....

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/159 ... Ole5vuc13A ---> Delay the reviews and sanctions, drip fund programmes while even a country like Turkey bashes on and then express concerns about whether timelines will be met.
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5461
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

Post by Cyrano »

Valuable as our pilot's lives are if they are thinking that thats all at stake in a conflict, then Eeshwara help us ! Our RM seems to be a nice guy who doesnt get into frontal arguments.
Post Reply