Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Pratyush » 12 Jun 2018 09:47

When is the imrh due for first flight.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 12 Jun 2018 10:11

Pratyush wrote:When is the imrh due for first flight.


imrh ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 12 Jun 2018 11:16

IMHR is medium size helicopter proposed by HAL , I dont think it has even reached a stage where it is funded , so a long way to go.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 12 Jun 2018 14:21

lakshmanM wrote:IAC-1 Vikrant May-2018.
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http://mark20x.blogspot.com/2018/06/iac-vikrant-images-may-2018.html
Anything about RAN-40L?



So close but yet so far away. The Vikrant has had this “almost finished” look in photos for about three years now. Keep waiting for sea trial announcements because it looks like it should be going out soon. The anticipation is like a constant ache.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 12 Jun 2018 14:24

Pratyush wrote:When is the imrh due for first flight.


Very optimistic this one.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 12 Jun 2018 15:06

INS Sindhukesari rolled out after a second refit at Severodvinsk, Russia

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 544030.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 12 Jun 2018 21:53

India’s Il-38 MPA to receive newly developed COMINT system

http://www.janes.com/article/80859/indi ... int-system

Mrityunjoy Mazumdar, Alameda, California - Jane's Navy International
12 June 2018
India’s Defence Electronics Research Laboratory (DLRL) is seeking a vendor to perform “platform modification and installation” of the Sarvadhari communications intelligence (COMINT) system aboard the Indian navy’s IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).

A document for the project notes that the vendor would have to perform engineering studies and analyses as part of the process to install and integrate the new COMINT kit. The planned timeframe for engineering and installation work is over a period of five months from order placement.

The Sarvadhari COMINT system includes an underbelly mounted five-blade antennae, GPS antennae, signal processing and receiver units, and a removable laptop display.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 12 Jun 2018 21:56

lakshmanM wrote:IAC-1 Vikrant May-2018.
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http://mark20x.blogspot.com/2018/06/iac-vikrant-images-may-2018.html
Anything about RAN-40L?

The primary surveillance radar is in place. The ship is sitting much lower in the water than when she was floated out.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby suryag » 13 Jun 2018 07:26

What a magnificent sight, IR sir sitting lower translates to more maal packed in ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 13 Jun 2018 10:42

India’s Plan To Buy Helicopter Carriers Falters

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... rs-falters
The Indian Navy issued an RFP for the LHDs in late 2013, but no action was taken on the proposals. The requirement was reaffirmed in May 2017 and fresh bids invited. The financial and technical tests have been completed and the two commercial bids were submitted. However, the opening of the bids has been delayed as Navantia is currently the sole contender for a contract where competition is required. Reliance has been disqualified because of the strict clause about financial stability in India’s Defense Procurement Policy.

The situation is causing concern. “Why should a company be penalized through no fault of its own, particularly since this is an issue of precedence for the Navy?” said a senior retired naval officer.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 13 Jun 2018 10:56

Some great steps made in terms of SIGINT as well in recent years.
Varuna ESM which can detect LPI radars is now cleared for series production by Navy after two units were trialed extensively.
Radar Fingerprinting system which was first made for the Navy, is now mainstream on tri-service platforms, including the land based version of the GBMES for the IAF and the P-8I's.
AEW&C is the only platform so far which brings in a proper sensor fusion & battle management aspect, and it would be great if DRDO can make compact versions and mainstream that too across all sorts of platforms.

Austin wrote:India’s Il-38 MPA to receive newly developed COMINT system

http://www.janes.com/article/80859/indi ... int-system

Mrityunjoy Mazumdar, Alameda, California - Jane's Navy International
12 June 2018
India’s Defence Electronics Research Laboratory (DLRL) is seeking a vendor to perform “platform modification and installation” of the Sarvadhari communications intelligence (COMINT) system aboard the Indian navy’s IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).

A document for the project notes that the vendor would have to perform engineering studies and analyses as part of the process to install and integrate the new COMINT kit. The planned timeframe for engineering and installation work is over a period of five months from order placement.

The Sarvadhari COMINT system includes an underbelly mounted five-blade antennae, GPS antennae, signal processing and receiver units, and a removable laptop display.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 13 Jun 2018 17:33

lakshmanM wrote:VC11184, she is nearly ready (probably already is)


reposting the article below for info and records.
https://www.deccanherald.com/content/449081/mystery-ship-project-gets-rs.html

( I am unable to find the earlier post on the same subject)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 13 Jun 2018 20:31

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 1954539523 ---> Installing a 76/62 Super Rapid Gun Mount on a Project 21 Offshore Patrol Vessel built by Reliance Naval and Engineering Limited in India.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 13 Jun 2018 20:48

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 6020207618 --> INS Sindhukesari after its refit at Severodvinsk. Next to it (at right) is INS Sindhuraj which is undergoing her refit.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Jun 2018 11:06

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/status/1006428596020207618 --> INS Sindhukesari after its refit at Severodvinsk. Next to it (at right) is INS Sindhuraj which is undergoing her refit.

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Very interesting picture the cut out from Sindhuraj indicates modernised Indian Kilo will carry two flank array sonar one behind the Bow Array Sonar and another far behind amidship , should give the kilo a near 360 degree view with just a towed array missing for rear view

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Jun 2018 11:07

Corporates fight , Shape of things to come ?

Corporate war stalls Indian Navy’s Rs 20,000 crore project

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 594875.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Jun 2018 12:01

These things will happen any which way since everyone wants to make money. The MoD should come up with a system where everyone gets some piece of pie irrespective of who wins the order since that would be incentive to not block the entire process for all involved. In this particular case, I believe we should split the order between both the yards once the design is finalized and have them build 2 each.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 15 Jun 2018 12:32

If you split the order then it will get costly for the MOD because they must have gone via L1 process , if there are dozens of ships to be built then it makes sense to split but for small numbers it gets costly. Even the pvt players wont be keen if they see little profit coming from such splitting of small orders.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Pratyush » 15 Jun 2018 13:55

The splitting or orders will work on items that are to procured in large numbers. For such a small production run. It makes no sense to split the order.

But part of the work recieved by L1 yard can be subcontracted to different yard. If modular construction methods are being employed. But QC will be a challenge that will have to be managed.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 15 Jun 2018 16:29

http://ficci.in/events/22716/ISP/RADM-KM-DESHMUKH.pdf
Marine Propulsion & Power generation: Challenges and opportunities
The make in India Paradigm
Road map for a Future ready INDIAN Naval Force

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srin » 15 Jun 2018 19:38

Bala Vignesh wrote:These things will happen any which way since everyone wants to make money. The MoD should come up with a system where everyone gets some piece of pie irrespective of who wins the order since that would be incentive to not block the entire process for all involved. In this particular case, I believe we should split the order between both the yards once the design is finalized and have them build 2 each.


The electric car procurement by EESL was a good scheme. L1 gets (I think) 60% order and if L2 can match the L1 price, they get the orders for other 40%. Else L1 gets the orders for other 40% too.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 16 Jun 2018 12:20

This is how vital acquisitions get shafted.One side deliberately gets disqualified, makes allegations about the favourites and the entire process is dumped! The MOD should instead be called MAD!

There should be a clause that once you enter the ring and contest any withdrawal/ disqualification does not mean the whole process is screwed.The last man standing should win.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 16 Jun 2018 14:44

Bala Vignesh wrote:These things will happen any which way since everyone wants to make money. The MoD should come up with a system where everyone gets some piece of pie irrespective of who wins the order since that would be incentive to not block the entire process for all involved. In this particular case, I believe we should split the order between both the yards once the design is finalized and have them build 2 each.


At this point I am wondering if we have created too many defence shipyards for too few orders;

GRSE
HSL
MDL
GSL
CSL - used to be only commercial earlier
L&T
Reliance Pipavav
SBC

+Mofussil shipyards like Shoft, BSL, Titagarh Wagons, Shalimar, Alcock etc

Today we have only 25+ ships under construction compared to 40+ that were always on for at least a good 10 year period.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 16 Jun 2018 14:53

Any update on 3rd Vizag class ship? Keel was laid last May, should be ready for launch in next couple of months based on the construction rate of previous ships of the class.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 16 Jun 2018 19:18

Shouldn't it have been the CG rendering assistance??

Using MARCOS for this seems to be a bit of an overkill.

Unless, maybe, there are some other issues??




Indian Navy Team Sent On Board Container Ship On Fire To Stop It From Drifting Towards Sunderbans, Bangladesh


Indian Navy Team Sent On Board Container Ship On Fire To Stop It From Drifting Towards Sunderbans, Bangladesh

India FP Staff Jun 16, 2018

An Indian Navy team led by Marine Commandos (MARCOS) from Visakhapatnam managed to prevent a container ship, which had caught fire in the Bay of Bengal on 14 June, from drifting any further.


The navy arrested the movement of MV SSL Kolkata by anchoring the cargo ship — still on fire — from drifting towards the international maritime boundary line in the Sundarbans delta between India and Bangladesh, reported Deccan Chronicle.

According to India Today, a Sea King 42C helicopter of the Eastern Naval Command first lowered one MARCOS officer to the burning ship, who later called in three others. The team then managed to drop the starboard anchor and also prepared the seamanship gear, in case the vessel needed to be towed. The navy told ANI that if the ship had not been anchored, it could have caused havoc to the flora and fauna of Sunderbans and to the marine life in the Ganges Delta. "No oil spill has been reported as of now," it added.


After the ship caught fire on 14 June in the Bay of Bengal, all 22 crew members were rescued by the Indian Coast Guard ship Rajkiran and Dornier aircraft. Coast Guard units undertook the rescue operation despite bad weather and rough sea conditions. By the time the rescue team reached MV SSL Kolkata, about 70 percent of the vessel was on fire, and the master of the vessel had abandoned ship.

The container carrier was on a coastal voyage from Krishnapatnam to Kolkata with the crew and 464 containers. An explosion in one of the containers caused the fire, which gradually spread.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 16 Jun 2018 20:07

Depends on who was available to go right away. Perhaps they had a team of MARCOS standing by.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 17 Jun 2018 00:34

Rakesh wrote:Depends on who was available to go right away. Perhaps they had a team of MARCOS standing by.




Apparently, the ship was abandoned, burning and drifting.

One MARCOS guy was winched down on to the burning ship to make the initial assessment.

One anchor was dropped by these guys and last heard, preparations were being made to take it under tow.

Interesting possibilities open up now, because the ship was abandoned, it may belong to whoever salvages it, if it doesn't sink in the meanwhile.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 18 Jun 2018 09:16

Russian TV footage on crash of Indian Navy IL-38 at Zhukovskiy airbase. Front landing gear didn’t deploy. No injuries. Piloted by Russian aircrew.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/990448836404428800

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 18 Jun 2018 09:55

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/tender_document/NIT%20No%20API-4163-C303%20BATTERY.pdf

INTEGRATED HEADQUARTERS OF MINISTRY OF DEFENCE(NAVY)
DIRECTORATE OF ARMAMENT PRODUCTION & INDIGENISATION, WING 5(FF)
WEST BLOCK V, RK PURAM SECTOR-1 NEW DELHI 110066
PHONE NO: 011-26194649, FAX NO: 011-26194273
OPEN TENDER
TENDER NOTICE NO. API/4163/C-303 BATTERY DATED 31 MAY 18
REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL(RFP) FOR INDIGENOUS DEVELOPMENT AND
SUPPLY OF LITHIUM THERMAL BATTERIES FOR COUNTERMEASURE SYSTEM

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Jun 2018 09:55

chetak wrote:
Russian TV footage on crash of Indian Navy IL-38 at Zhukovskiy airbase. Front landing gear didn’t deploy. No injuries. Piloted by Russian aircrew.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/990448836404428800


This news is nearly 2 months old and was discussed on BRF.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 18 Jun 2018 09:58

Aditya_V wrote:
chetak wrote:


This news is nearly 2 months old and was discussed on BRF.


Sorry, my ignorance.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 18 Jun 2018 13:28

Indian Navy Urges Indian Industry to Forge Strategic Partnership For Design and construction of Underwater Vehicles
http://ficci.in/PressRelease/2555/Indian-Navy-ficci-press-release.pdf


International seminar on Current and Future Challenges in Design and Construction of Underwater Vehicles November 22, 2016
FICCI Federation House,Tansen Marg, New Delhi

http://ficci.in/spdocument/20803/Compandium%20Navy%20Submarine-2016-17.pdf

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 18 Jun 2018 15:53

http://ficci.in/past-event-page.asp?evid=22716
[url]International Seminar on 'Make in India' Paradigm - Roadmap for a Future Ready Naval Force Apr 18-19, 2016, FICCI, New Delhi[/url]


Presentations
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Session: Missiles and Gun Systems for a Future Ready Naval Force

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By R ADM Dinesh K Tripathi, Indian Navy

Perspectives on Missiles
Presentation By Mr. Bill Forsberg, SAAB

Perspective on Missiles (Systems and Controls)
Presentation By Dr A Bashir,Tata Power SED
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Session: Propulsion & Power Generation

The Navy Perspective – Challenges & Opportunities
Presentation By RADM K M Deshmukh, Indian Navy

National Competence in Marine Gas Turbine Propulsion
Presentation By Cdr C H V Sudhakar, Indian Navy

National Competence in Marine Propulsion – The Road Ahead
Presentation By Cdr Manish Singh,Indian Navy
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Session: Torpedo and Directed Energy Weapons

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By R Adm O P S Rana, Indian Navy

Perspective on Torpedoes (Propulsion and Frame)
Presentation By Mr. Francois Savy,Atlas Electronics

Perspective on Torpedoes (Homing and Systems)
Presentation By Dr Abraham Varughese,NSTL
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Session: Surveillance and Detection Systems

The Navy Perspective: Future Networks Warfare Concept
Presentation By RAdm S J Singh, Indian Navy

AEGIS Weapon Systems - Today and Tomorrow
Presentation By Mr Parag Sehgal, Lockheed Martin

Review of Advanced Electro optical System
Presentation By Mr Ikbal Singh, VEM Technologies

Network Centric Naval Warfare
Presentation By Mr Nikos Ghikas, Interoperability Systems International S.A.
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Session: Futuristic Trends in Propulsion and Power Generation Technologies - Electric & Nuclear

The Navy Perspective on Nuclear Propulsion
Presentation By Captain Vikram Bora, Indian Navy

The Navy Perspective on Full Electric Propulsion
Presentation By Capt Lavneesh Dhawan, Indian Navy

Integrated Electric Propulsion and Power Generation for Ships
Presentation By Mr. Ravindra S Mahajan, L&T EAIC

Advanced Propulsion Technologies for Electric Ship Architecture
Presentation By Mr Sanjeev Kakkar, GE Aviation Military Systems

Propulsion Systems for Aircraft Carrier
Presentation By VAdm Bertrand Aubriot, DCNS
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Session: Naval Aviation Futures

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By RAdm P G Pynumootil, Indian Navy

Air Early Warning & Control Technologies
Presentation By Cmde G Sharma (Retd.), Northrop Grumman

Future trends in Naval Multi Role Helicopters
Presentation By Mr Rohit Kumar, Airbus Group

Future trends in Naval Multi Role Helicopters
Presentation By Mr Fabrice Dumenil, MBDA

Emerging Aero Engine Technologies
Presentation By Mr Sasikumar Muthusamy, Rolls-Royce

Future Trends in Naval Helicopters
Presentation By Mr. Oleg Konovalov, Russian Helicopters
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Session: Submarine Technologies

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By RAdm Mohit Gupta, Indian Navy

Future Submarine Platforms and Technologies
Presentation By Mr Andreas Grunicke, Thyssnkrupp Marine Systems India Pvt Ltd (TKMS)

AIP Technologies/ Stored Energy Devices
Presentation By Dr M Patri, NMRL

Sonars for Submarines
Presentation By Cmde A. Jai Singh (Retd) Atlas Electroniks
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Session: Autonomous Vehicles for Naval Applications

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By RAdm Srinivas Kanugo, Indian Navy

Autonomous Unmanned Vehicles
Presentation By Dr Manu Korulla, NSTL

Adding Naval Capability with Modular AUV Technologiy
Presentation By Mr Michael Berg, SAAB

Unmanned Surface/ Under Water Craft
Presentation By Capt Oded Fisher, Rafael
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Session: Coastal Surveillance and Response Systems and Platforms

The Navy Perspective
Presentation By VAdm Anil Kumar Chawla, Indian Navy

The Coast Guard Perspective

Presentation By IG V S R Murthy, Indian Coast Guard
Coastal Surveillance Radar Technologies (HF SWR)
Presentation By Raytheon

Fast Interceptor Crafts
Presentation By Cdr K S Nathan (Retd.), L&T
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Session: Future of Defence Shipbuilding in India

Evolution of Japanese Shipbuilding and Lessons for India
Presentation By RAdm S Y Shrikhande, Indian Navy

Presentation by Mr Bernard Buisson
Presentation By Bernard Buisson, M/s DCNS

Conceptual Model of Advanced Aircraft Carrier
Presentation By VAdm Valdimir V Pepelyaev (Retd.) Krylov State Research Centre

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Arima » 18 Jun 2018 16:12

chetak wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Depends on who was available to go right away. Perhaps they had a team of MARCOS standing by.




Apparently, the ship was abandoned, burning and drifting.

One MARCOS guy was winched down on to the burning ship to make the initial assessment.

One anchor was dropped by these guys and last heard, preparations were being made to take it under tow.

Interesting possibilities open up now, because the ship was abandoned, it may belong to whoever salvages it, if it doesn't sink in the meanwhile.



is it some law than those who salvage ship can claim ownership even when owner abandoned it due to accident?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SNaik » 18 Jun 2018 18:01

Interesting video coverage on board of Algerian Navy Pr.636.1 submarine. Should be pretty similar to Indian inventory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 0KVxnzhC0w

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby dinesha » 20 Jun 2018 17:01

Glug, glug, glug: India’s interest in unsinkable aircraft carriers
David Brewster suggests that India should develop the Andaman and Nicobar Islands over a 3rd aircraft carrier.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... t-carriers

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 20 Jun 2018 17:21

Turning the ANC into a very potent forward unsinkable platorm (remember that SPore is smaller than the ANC!), from which we can project hard power into the ICS and Pacific as well as acting as the " front line of the mainland is absolutely necessary whether we need more CVs or not. The two are not interchangeable.It is only a lack of money that prevents us building more larger carriers.
However, strengthening up the ANC as discussed ad nauseum, will help to an extent the non-availability of CV no.3 esp. in the eastern sector from which subs, warships and LR maritime strike birds can operate from.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kakkaji » 21 Jun 2018 06:55

Probe by CBI, CVC sought against L&T Defence for Indian Navy warship project

RNEL's complaint reportedly mentions Vice Admiral D. Deshpande who, it has alleged, is acting virtually as "an agent" of L&T and is passing on vital information pertaining to the sensitive defence projects to the company.

The complaint also alleged that the Vice Admiral's son was going to pursue an MBA degree that would be paid for and "sponsored by L&T".

According to a media report, Deshpande has clarified his position in the matter to the Defence Ministry top brass, details of which are not available.


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