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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 11 Jul 2017 20:38

Yes but Def Secy has powers of 500 crores not the service chiefs...that's the problem. Its the bureaucrats who don't understand/don't like services so why not give the powers to the services ? This shows the steady downgrading of the service hierarchy vis avis the IAS and this is a very serious problem that has really hurt morale and capability. An ex Vice Chief of Army Staff told me just this week how bad things have become. Its not BJP or Cong...its all governments steadily doing this.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nirav » 11 Jul 2017 20:49

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Yes but Def Secy has powers of 500 crores not the service chiefs...that's the problem. Its the bureaucrats who don't understand/don't like services so why not give the powers to the services ? This shows the steady downgrading of the service hierarchy vis avis the IAS and this is a very serious problem that has really hurt morale and capability. An ex Vice Chief of Army Staff told me just this week how bad things have become. Its not BJP or Cong...its all governments steadily doing this.


This is unfortunate indeed.
Id genuinely hoped that things would have changed under current administration.
what can be done to change this ? this probably warrants a separate topic to discuss Reform - MoD-forces relations ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 11 Jul 2017 20:51

Why not delegate all RM financial power to services ? Or at least half. And why the middleman ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nirav » 11 Jul 2017 21:01

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Why not delegate all RM financial power to services ? Or at least half. And why the middleman ?

because the numbers are too large ?
@ 50 Billion USD annual budget..

i do believe that Service chiefs should be trusted with more than 500 crores to ensure smoother operations.
Like the govt has single window, time bound clearance, for investments or doing business, a similar window for clearing larger expenses is needed.
Its effectively cuts down on the time a file sits on a babus desk.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 11 Jul 2017 21:21

Defence budget is 50 billion USD but RM (Raksha Mantri) power is 3000 crs. I said delegate all or 50% of 3000 crs not 50 billion USD. I don't see much analysis or thought applied to the rest of your post. What single window, who decides and on what basis, what expertise do they have, what domain expertise ?

Anyway signing off here.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 11 Jul 2017 21:22

Looks like anti-submarine warfare is our focal point during the present naval exercise with Japan and the US.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Gagan » 12 Jul 2017 05:37

Akshay Kapoor wrote:But seriously INS Baaz at Campbell Bay has a 3000 feet runway and plans to extend it to 6000 and then 10,000. I know its a very small island but I would be intrigued to see if it can be developed into a big base. Also SU 30s with refuelling can also reach the 6 degree channel.

Shibpur was supposed to get a 12000 ft runway and base long range maritime patrol aircraft

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 12 Jul 2017 12:24

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... IlqxK.html
Defunct submarine Sindhurakshak finally disposed of
The submarine’s sinking was one of the worse tragedies to hit the Indian Navy since the sinking of INS Khukri in the 1971 Indo-Pak war.
INDIA Updated: Jul 10, 2017 22:29 IST
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A major explosion onboard INS Sindhurakshak, a kilo class submarine, in Mumbai on August 14, 2013, killed 18 sailors. (HT File photo)
The Indian Navy has finally rested its Russian-built submarine INS Sindhurakshak that sank after an explosion onboard killing 18 sailors in August 2013.

Navy sources told HT that the submarine, one of the 10 Kilo-class submarines operated by India, was “disposed of at sea” last month.

The sources said the 2,300-tonne submarine was disposed of in the Arabian Sea and its final resting point is 3,000 metres under the sea. The submarine was used as a training platform by the navy’s elite marine commandos for some time after it was salvaged.

“Usually, when a warship is decommissioned, serviceable equipment and components are removed and fitted on other vessels or what is known as cannibalisation. Each and every nut and bolt is accounted for. The Sindhurakshak was a total write-off,” a navy officer said.

The submarine’s sinking was one of the worse tragedies to hit the navy since the sinking of INS Khukri in the 1971 Indo-Pak war.

The disaster took place seven months after the 2,300-tonne warship was overhauled at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Russia at a cost of more than $80 million.

The navy will sharpen its under warfare capabilities with the induction of first Scorpene-class submarine, named Kalvari, this year. “Kalvari is ready for induction and the second boat, Khanderi, is likely to be commissioned by the year-end,” the officer said.

The two submarines are among the six Scorpene boats being constructed in the country with technology transfer from French firm DCNS under a Rs 23,562-crore programme called Project 75.

Scorpene submarines are expected to become the main conventional submarine of the Indian naval fleet and replace the ageing Russian Kilo class and German HDW vessels that are almost three decades old.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Viv S » 12 Jul 2017 16:44

Gameplay from the new 'Cold Waters' game. Two arenas available; 1968 & 1984. Such high fidelity simulators have a lot of potential as real-world training tools. BAE for example, recently signed a contract with CMANO for a wargame simulator.



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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 12 Jul 2017 22:58

Akshay Kapoor wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Askhay Saar: Which type of scotch? Single malt or blended? :)


Blended sir...cheaper ;-)


Balvenie Single Malt,Triple Cask.

Its available in Delhi airport duty free.

So Rakesh you can pick it up and give to Kapoor saheb!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 12 Jul 2017 23:03

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Nirav, opposing a enemy carrier fleet by your own is harking back to WW 2 days of US vs Japan ! Insanely expensive and painting a huge taraget. Simply not going to happen. Solution must be subs and missiles. And why cant we use our peninsula as a carrier ?



Vice Admiral M.N. Roy (R) writing in US Naval Institute Proceedings, said the whole peninsula of India is like a giant aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean. Article was dated circa 1992(?)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 13 Jul 2017 00:38

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Yes but Def Secy has powers of 500 crores not the service chiefs...that's the problem. Its the bureaucrats who don't understand/don't like services so why not give the powers to the services ? This shows the steady downgrading of the service hierarchy vis avis the IAS and this is a very serious problem that has really hurt morale and capability. An ex Vice Chief of Army Staff told me just this week how bad things have become. Its not BJP or Cong...its all governments steadily doing this.




Note:

Iyersan wrote:Army vice-chief now authorized to be 'war-ready
Army vice-chief gets financial powers to maintain combat-readiness for 'short wars'
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 565814.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 13 Jul 2017 02:23

Yes saw this on zee news earlier today and was relieved. Definitely a step in the right direction and in line with what I am calling for. Atleast critical ammunition shortages are being addressed. Now we need to resolve critical capital issues - night vision for infantry, good BPJs, rifles and small arms, ATAGS and for navy minesweepers, torpedos, ASW choppers and subs.

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Postby Philip » 13 Jul 2017 12:30

Ramanna,I realised this in the early '80s (that our land mass was one massive carrier and the fact was not lost on the navy top brass even from the '60s), when we were at the height of the Cold War.USN CBGs used to visit SL regularly,once coinciding with the NAM summit at Delhi when India/Mrs. G took over the chairpersonship from Castro/CUba.Former sr. naval officers managed to get MRP out from the IAF first with Super-Connies and then came the IL-38s.

These visionary officers who drew up the masterplan for the IN, well knew that the IN,cinderella of the services ,would never get enough money to one day have its dream of 3-5 carriers planned at the time of independence and Adm.Mountbatten's foresight.We could only afford/acquire ex-RN light carriers like the Vikrant/Viraat. If you remember,the US banned the sale of even modest Skyhawk carrier jets to India.Yet using our vintage SeaHawks,we thrashed the Pakis in '71! Sea Harriers then came and with the advent of the Viraat ,we had for the first time two SH carriers.But these were inadequate for the future with the increasing threat from China.

During the '80s,we were v. fortunate to acquire the TU-142 Bears which we've only now retd. These provided fantastic range and endurance and designed as bombers,could carry a huge load of munitions/missiles,torpedoes,etc.Along with the IL-38s ,they were a very potent capability.
The search for the 3rd carrier began 2+ decades ago and all we could acquire during CW days was the Gorshkov,modified and inducted with the 29Ks. However,after the retirement of the Bears,and arrival of the P+9Is,ASW cap[ability may have got a boost,but LR maritime strike has decreased significantly. The P-8Is cannot carry BMos and the IN must acquire a supersonic maritime strike bird such as Backfires. The IAF too do not possess any bomber,tactical or strategic.Why they've never considered acquiring TU-34s or even larger aircraft defeats me.Very myopic thinking,when we were offered backfires for the IN decades ago.

Building even IAC-1 has taken far more time than anticipated.IAC-2,a much larger flat top,will arrive only around 2030 at this rate and we will face a perilous decade from 2020 onwards. There is simply no alternative but to acquire a new LRMP,preferably supersonic that can carry BMos and other future LRCMs missiles Nirbhay,etc. in significant number. China is reducing its land forces to just around 1M,but instead is developing and expanding its navy even more.The PLAN today is the first choice of the PRC in expansion both in number and in acquiring by any means new maritime warfare technology by any means. The IN will not get another carrier for another decade at least,judging from our track record unless it is a (modified) sister ship of the new Vikrant.Carrier vulnerability is also growing,to new anti-ship missiles like BMos,etc.,Why we should leverage our planned amphib flattops into possessing good ASW/limited air support so that numbers of flat tops available increase dramatically.Japan is actually sending its very own multi-use amphib flat top to the Malabar exercises. having more numbers will also offset the growing vulnerability of carriers in modern warfare as expressed by this report on the RN's new CV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07 ... tom-ocean/
HMS Queen Elizabeth will go 'straight to the bottom of the ocean' without greater protection, retired RAF chiefs warn
HMS Queen Elizabeth
Two Royal Navy frigates have joined HMS Queen Elizabeth to secure the seas around the giant aircraft carrier as she embarks on her maiden sea trials
Ben Farmer, defence correspondent
12 JULY 2017 •
Britain’s new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth will go “straight to the bottom of the ocean” in any future hostilities unless more maritime patrol planes are bought to protect her, retired RAF leaders warn.

In a letter published in Thursday’s Telegraph, former senior officers say that the current plan to buy nine aircraft is not enough and at least three more are needed.

The letter from four former RAF officers with significant maritime aviation experience comes as the new warship costing more than £3bn has recently begun trials in the North Sea.

Britain axed its troubled Nimrod patrol plane programme as part of the 2010 cost-cutting defence review. The Ministry of Defence announced in 2015 that it will order nine Boeing P-8 submarine hunting planes,

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 13 Jul 2017 12:33

"INS India",INS Andmans & NIcobar",INS lakshadweep,are "unsinkable" aircraft carriers ion the IOR that belong to us.We should leverage our great geo-strategic position on the map to the max. basing more lethal aircraft/hello,UAVs at the earliest.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/how-indi ... -ace-card/
How India is Playing its Indian Ocean Ace Card
A closer look at New Delhi’s renewed focus on the Andamans.

By Jeff M. Smith
July 07, 2017

For an isolated outpost over 800 miles from India’s coast, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands have made a surprising number of appearances in the Indian headlines the past two months.

In May, Prime Minister Modi Narendra Modi implored his countrymen to visit the Andamans and its colonial-era Cellular Jail in a “pilgrimage of our freedom struggle.” Two weeks prior, Delhi announced it had approved the construction of a new missile test facility on Rutland Island.

Is this yet another case of all smoke and no fire, continuing India’s longstanding tradition of neglect toward the former penal colony? Or is it a sign that Delhi has finally recognized the value of its strategic goldmine positioned at the mouth of the Strait of Malacca?

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The establishment of a formal military command on the Andamans in 2001 was initially met with great fanfare. The Andaman and Nicobar Command (ANC) was billed as India’s first “tri-service” military command with rotating commanders from all three services. It was meant to serve as a model of “joint-ness” and a physical manifestation of India’s “Look East” policy. Yet, the announcement followed by a steady drumbeat of unfulfilled promises about upgrading the dilapidated civilian and military infrastructure on the islands. Night flights in the capital of Port Blair began only in 2015.

The Indian bureaucracy proved notoriously successful at stifling proposals intended for the ANC, including the construction of a new missile test facility on Rutland Island in the South Andamans. Concerned with the wellbeing of an endangered species of hornbill bird, the environment ministry stalled the initiative for years. On May 15, it finally caved. As the Economic Times notes, the new facility will be located at an “ideal distance” from mainland for ballistic missile tests:

As of now, long-range missile tests are being carried out from the Odisha coast and are tracked by naval vessels on a trajectory into the Bay of Bengal. Most of the long-range tests for missiles like Agni IV and V have to be tracked over sea, with specialized vessels noting the ‘hit zone’ into the water. DRDO [Defense Research and Development Organization] requires a land-based test area as well to accurately track its long-range missiles…

The Rutland Island announcement follows a gradual but material increase in the level of Indian interest and activity on the Andamans in recent years that can likely be attributed to two related factors: the election of Prime Minister Modi and the emergence of China as a significant military actor in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR).

Not long after assuming office Prime Minister Modi launched a “Neighborhood First” initiative designed to buttress India’s strategic position in the IOR. This quickly manifest in a series of high-profile visits and military agreements with India’s island neighbors as well as a renewed commitment to resourcing the ANC. In 2015 Mr. Modi unveiled a ten-year, $1.5 billion infrastructure package for the Andamans, including a recommitment to double the number of naval patrol craft to 32 and army personnel to 6,000.

In January 2016, Delhi approved the rotational deployment of advanced, U.S.-origin P8-I Poseidon maritime surveillance patrol aircraft and Israeli-origin unmanned drones through the ANC. In March 2016 the ANC received new landing craft and interceptor boats from the Indian Coast Guard. In April 2016 India dispatched a guided-missile corvette, the INS Karmuk, to the Andamans in what appears to be the first permanent deployment of a major surface combatant to the command. Around the same time the Indian media reported Delhi and Tokyo had begun discussions to install a “sea wall of hydrophones” in the IOR which would assist in the tracking of foreign submarines.

Last month the Indian Navy announced its first indigenously-developed floating dock would be deployed to the ANC. Yet, arguably the most significant military upgrade underway at the ANC involves the expansion of a 3,500-meter runway at the Campbell Bay military base established in 2012 on the southernmost island of Great Nicobar.

Campbell Bay is over 300 miles closer to the mouth of the Strait of Malacca than the airfield at Port Blair and overlooks the Six Degree Channel, a high-traffic shipping lane connecting the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Plans to expand the runway to 6,000, and eventually 10,000 feet, would permit the base to host a far wider range of air assets like the P8-I Poseidon and better monitor traffic transiting the naval chokepoint at the Strait of Malacca.

Indian analysts have begun speculating that the ANC could one day be transformed into a major regional shipping hub or upgraded to a major naval command capable of hosting aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and India’s frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighters.

The second factor driving India’s renewed focus on the Andamans, and the catalyst for Modi’s plans there, is China and its growing military footprint in the IOR. After only limited forays in decades prior, in 2008 the People’s Liberation Army Navy began rotating a three-ship anti-piracy naval task naval force through the IOR for patrols off the Horn of Africa. Chinese nuclear and conventional submarine patrols followed in 2013 and 2014, making headlines with port calls to Karachi and Colombo.

In 2015, the pace of Chinese activities in the IOR quickened. Beijing established its first overseas ‘military logistics supply facility’ in Djibouti, assumed control of Pakistan’s Gwadar Port, finalized plans to sell eight Yuan-class submarines to Pakistan, and announced the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). In aggregate, these moves seized the attention and piqued the threat perceptions of India’s military planners, reviving longstanding concerns about China’s so-called “string of pearls” and refocusing India’s attention on the ANC.

After the tragic disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH 370 in 2014, Delhi denied a request by Beijing to send a naval convoy into the Andamans’ 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) to search for the missing aircraft. When two Chinese vessels entered the Andamans’ EEZ that month, they were “intercepted” by the Indian Coast Guard and asked to leave. Indian military officials have since revealed to the press that Chinese warships “attempt to get close [to the Andamans] at least twice every three months.”

Meanwhile, at a think tank forum in Delhi in mid-2016, a Chinese ambassador ominously declared that “someone in the future may dispute the ownership of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.” The account was conveyed by Vice Admiral Arun Singh, the former head of India’s Eastern Naval Command, who was present at the meeting. He warns that at “some future date of its choosing, the Chinese government is quite capable of producing a ‘new, just-found 700-year-old document’ that would purport to show that Admiral Zheng He had visited the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, in support of China’s claims to these islands.”

The low-level rivalry that’s kept China-India relations at a steady simmer since the 1962 border war has been intensifying in recent years. It’s the product of several factors including persistent tensions over legacy disputes like China’s patronage toward Pakistan, India’s hosting of the Dalai Lama, and two countries’ outstanding border dispute. Yet, the substantial growth in China’s presence and influence on both the subcontinent and in the Indian Ocean over the past decade has added a new, more volatile layer of friction to the cold peace governing bilateral relations. After losing several hands to Beijing in its own backyard, Prime Minister Modi is positioning to play India’s ace card in the Indian Ocean.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sanjaykumar » 13 Jul 2017 21:51

I hope whenever General He is mentioned, the Indians bluntly tell the Chinese 'don't insult my intelligence'.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 13 Jul 2017 22:28

India looks to revive $1.65 billion ShinMaywa US-2i amphibious plane deal with Japan
http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... an/761210/

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Jul 2017 22:44

Rakesh wrote:India looks to revive $1.65 billion ShinMaywa US-2i amphibious plane deal with Japan
http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... an/761210/

I wont be surprised if someday a japanese involved in these negotiations kills some MoD guy with his katana or just fist..

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 13 Jul 2017 23:29

Shift production to India for 12-18 planes. Who thinks of these thinks. Are these to fill up lines on list of MoUs signed.

Get those damn planes built in Japan. Collaborate on building the wide body civilian aircraft here.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prasad » 13 Jul 2017 23:31

Or ask for production tech for our amca & ucav programs.

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Postby brar_w » 14 Jul 2017 00:32

Prasad wrote:Or ask for production tech for our amca & ucav programs.


In exchange for 12-18 aircraft? :D

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prasad » 14 Jul 2017 00:35

Hey. If you don't ask, you'll never get :)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jul 2017 00:40

Prasad: There are countries that buy a lot more and get nothing in return. You will get nothing for 12 - 18 aircraft. Even the smile is not free :)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 14 Jul 2017 01:11

Philip, RIN Admiral Cunningham once said "Naming enemies makes them" So it could be they didn't want to acquire weapons which they didn't have a use for as that would attract undue attentions.

BTW, have you come across any books or memoirs of the pre Partition RIN?

I came across it in some old encyclopedia and had no access to copiers in those days.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 14 Jul 2017 01:29

Indranil wrote:Shift production to India for 12-18 planes. Who thinks of these thinks. Are these to fill up lines on list of MoUs signed.

Get those damn planes built in Japan. Collaborate on building the wide body civilian aircraft here.


Agreed such a waste of time.
We are going to more P8s in India... did we ask for the same from Amreekans.

We are fooling ourselves.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Chinmay » 14 Jul 2017 06:55

Indranil wrote:Shift production to India for 12-18 planes. Who thinks of these thinks. Are these to fill up lines on list of MoUs signed.

Get those damn planes built in Japan. Collaborate on building the wide body civilian aircraft here.


+ 108. Getting a percentage of the deal as industrial or infra offsets would be so much better.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 14 Jul 2017 11:04

Indian Navy launches hunt to acquire 110 helicopters in $5B deal

^^ Twin Engine , 4.5 T class exactly sounds like Dhruv but they want to import another type ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2017 12:18

The main reason they're reopening the file is to somehow shoehorn that expensive boat-that-flies,into a mil deal with Jap[an,thus "cementiong" a new mil relationship with it.At over $100M a pop,the deal is a v. expensive one when compared with other alternatives and comes with NO armament also,esp. ASW capability.Much cheaper alternatives are available,but his deal is being pursued in knee-jerk fashion,much like the Rafale deal .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 14 Jul 2017 12:44

Any news of Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine , Is navy ready to use it on newer class ships ? Or is it awaiting the same fate as Airforce Kaveri ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Viv S » 14 Jul 2017 13:44

Philip wrote:The main reason they're reopening the file is to somehow shoehorn that expensive boat-that-flies,into a mil deal with Jap[an,thus "cementiong" a new mil relationship with it.At over $100M a pop,the deal is a v. expensive one when compared with other alternatives and comes with NO armament also,esp. ASW capability.Much cheaper alternatives are available,but his deal is being pursued in knee-jerk fashion,much like the Rafale deal .

There are no alternatives offering the same capabilities. That the US-2 shouldn't be a priority given critical lacunae elsewhere in the force structure, is a different issue. The purchase ought to be deferred to a future date and acquired off-the-shelf at that time. However, the choice of the aircraft itself is indisputable.

The Be-200 that you're championing can only be used in calm seas and has very limited SAR potential.

US-2: Sea State 5, Wave Height - 3 metres
Be-200: Sea State 3, Wave Height - 1.2 metres

-> The Be-200 would be unable to operate in the Bay of Bengal & Arabian Sea most of the year, and the unable to land in the most of the Indian Ocean, for about 6-8 months in the year, making it all but useless as a SAR aircraft.

Looking for ASW capability in an amphib is also a ridiculous idea. Why the hell would a ASW aircraft need to land at the sea? Its not delivering care packages to the enemy submarines.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 14 Jul 2017 15:03

^ And the difference in range as well

Some 4500 kms odd of the US-2 Vs the 3000 kms odd of the Be-200

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sankum » 14 Jul 2017 16:27

Austin wrote
Indian Navy launches hunt to acquire 110 helicopters in $5B deal

^^ Twin Engine , 4.5 T class exactly sounds like Dhruv but they want to import another type ?


Same rerun of 4.3T naval Panther vs 5.5T naval Dhruv saga for Coast Guard with full paid news mafia at works.

The requirement of NLUH is redundant when naval dhruv is available while allowing HAL to develop twin engine version of LUH if the requirement is so desperate.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 14 Jul 2017 18:40

When you have idiots on this forum saying - "we won all wars with imported weapons" then this makes total sense to have imported - Army, Navy and air force. Send Indians overseas for jobs too!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Jul 2017 20:22

Vivek K wrote:Send Indians overseas for jobs too!

Sorry about the OT but dont we already do that, under the label of on-site??
But why is the Dhruv getting a miss?? Even if it is overweight, the priority should have been accorded to it for this role since it is our own and we can tweak it how we see fit.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 16 Jul 2017 06:38

Indian Navy wants its only fighter aircraft to toughen up
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 03125.html

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 16 Jul 2017 06:47

These 4 countries collectively will stop China from ruling the South China Sea
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=263206

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sum » 16 Jul 2017 06:52

Rakesh wrote:Indian Navy wants its only fighter aircraft to toughen up
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 03125.html

Anti Russian propaganda of course.
The IN doesnt know how to use these fine machines :twisted:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 16 Jul 2017 07:25

CE2F Chariot of the Indian Navy MARCOS
http://tejasmrca.weebly.com/naval-syste ... avy-marcos


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