Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 03 May 2018 19:00

Media reports: India has reportedly missed the bus yet again...for issuing tenders for subs ($7.5B) and naval helos ($5B) and the entire process will have to start again. This is a setback to the PM's " make in India" policy not to mention further delays in critically reqd. reg. systems.Great work MOD!

After the DAC gives its approvals, tenders must be issued within 6 months or the approval lapses.I can't understand this asinine policy which just increases delays not to mention even higher mountains of files tied with red tape.If there is a genuine reason for extending the 6 month period, it should be a simple nod from the DM as DAC approval has been obtained.This is sadism in the extreme.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 04 May 2018 10:29

Rajat Pandit
‏@rajatpTOI May 2

India has not inked COMCASA till now despite buying military hardware worth $15 billion from US. Instead of encrypted & secure radio, data, navigation & comm systems protected by COMCASA, India has used commercially available kits to equip C-130J, C-17 & P-8I aircraft

There are fears the use of American C4ISR systems could compromise India’s tactical operational security, enabling the US to keep track of Indian warships & aircraft. India would like a less-restrictive COMCASA that addresses all its concerns, say officials

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kersi » 04 May 2018 12:49

Pratyush wrote:


Let the contract be assigned to Pvt sector yard at the price quoted by MDL. In the interest of getting the ship's being built on time.

While the MDL repairs itself and then focuses on the p 15 b and p 18.


Could it be sabotage ? IN local ship building plans go haywire. So ? IMPORT !!!!!

This is what my dirty filthy wicked mind tells me !

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby tsarkar » 04 May 2018 14:20

Austin wrote:Rajat Pandit
‏@rajatpTOI May 2

India has not inked COMCASA till now despite buying military hardware worth $15 billion from US. Instead of encrypted & secure radio, data, navigation & comm systems protected by COMCASA, India has used commercially available kits to equip C-130J, C-17 & P-8I aircraft

There are fears the use of American C4ISR systems could compromise India’s tactical operational security, enabling the US to keep track of Indian warships & aircraft. India would like a less-restrictive COMCASA that addresses all its concerns, say officials

Very valid fears. We use Israeli/indigenous datalinks on P-8I and we can use the same for Predator/Reaper/Guardian/Avenger drones.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 04 May 2018 14:30

https://www.dsei.co.uk/__media/librarie ... FF-pdf.pdf

pic of the 250T goliath crane is here.

looking at markings, it was executed by http://www.mcnallybharat.com/ - who they sourced it from is not clear and if there are any weather certifications and "batten down the hatches" protocols for such tall cranes in any seaport facing high winds.

the weight and solidity of these things might give a false sense of being a immovable object.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby RKumar » 04 May 2018 16:37

Austin wrote:Rajat Pandit
‏@rajatpTOI May 2

India has not inked COMCASA till now despite buying military hardware worth $15 billion from US. Instead of encrypted & secure radio, data, navigation & comm systems protected by COMCASA, India has used commercially available kits to equip C-130J, C-17 & P-8I aircraft

There are fears the use of American C4ISR systems could compromise India’s tactical operational security, enabling the US to keep track of Indian warships & aircraft. India would like a less-restrictive COMCASA that addresses all its concerns, say officials


For me, these are a no go agreements. We should not sign any of these agreements like there is no Good or Bad Taliban on similarly there are no Less or More Restrictive agreements. These are all USA tools to promote their agenda, we should must protect our independence.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prasad » 04 May 2018 23:15

An interview with CMD of Goa Shipyard ltd
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2018/ ... w-programs

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Gagan » 04 May 2018 23:58

Simple
Get a pvt shipyard like Reliance Pipavav or L&T Kattupalli to build the lower hulls till float out.
Then tug these hulls to Mazgaon Dock for final fitment.

We can start with a public-pvt partnership here too no?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Pratyush » 05 May 2018 08:00

Gagan wrote:Simple
Get a pvt shipyard like Reliance Pipavav or L&T Kattupalli to build the lower hulls till float out.
Then tug these hulls to Mazgaon Dock for final fitment.

We can start with a public-pvt partnership here too no?



How do you know if people like Rahul Gandhi will not start shouting Adani Ambani against this action. With a large section of population supporting them.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby uddu » 05 May 2018 09:41

Don't think that all pvt companies can make great stuff. If you look at the order in hand, Reliance Naval has not yet delivered the Offshore Patrol vessels it's supposed to have handed over to the IN long back. Whereas L & T seems to have done a good job when it comes to building hulls for our nuclear subs etc. They have gained expertise over a period of years rather than just start with a Patrol vessel and struggle with it like Rnaval is doing.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Gagan » 05 May 2018 10:58

L&T has built that huge floating dock for the IN, also coast guard interceptors - some 30-50 of them ahead of time
After Pipavav shipyards went bust and had not completed even one OPV, Reliance has been working at breakneck speed to finish the project and get more orders from the IN. They have had several meets with the IN, who are closely monitoring the build and seem to be satisfied. Reliance Pipavav also have an agreement with the US Navy for servicing their ships at pipavav according to reports.

Just building the lower hull should be well within the reach of these private shipbuilders, which they can do very fast as well.
It will give Mazgaon the 30 months it needs to replace the crane and rebuilt infrastructure that was damaged.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kakarat » 05 May 2018 11:10

Gagan wrote:Just building the lower hull should be well within the reach of these private shipbuilders, which they can do very fast as well.
It will give Mazgaon the 30 months it needs to replace the crane and rebuilt infrastructure that was damaged.


Please read the report the crane crash is at GRSE and not MDL

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Pratyush » 05 May 2018 11:23

I am sorry about that MDL and grse confusion.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 05 May 2018 11:34

I think that if RDEL were given more numbers they would be better off, but an Ru study of both yards for sub construction was interesting.Both had suitable facilities, but L&T superior skilled manpower.Ultimately that counts.
DPSU yards should not be afraid of a little competition.There are so many orders in hand and many more to come.They cannot deliver on time with what's on their plate ,though GSL seems to be doing well, and should not envy the pvt. sector.The P-75I line should go to a lot. yard for a new Ru design with MDL building German U-boats.That way we will possess the best of the east and west until our desi designers come up with their designs for a conv. sub post 2030.They would be better off designing right now, with assistance, the 6 planned SSNs/ SSGNs, which are required to deal with China's huge fleet of N-subs .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby hnair » 05 May 2018 17:36

Goddamn.... that looks bleak. Really hope this was not caused by some crappy SOP, where the crane is left for months over a precious hull inside an even more precious facility and an event (artificial or not) triggers this collapse

Added later: batchmate who works there was saying she is confident things will be back to normal soon and is already being put back on track. Maybe stories about extensive hull damage are psyops to pile on pressure for handing out contracts to some foreign yards.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby John » 05 May 2018 22:25

^ That's for info. I don't think it will encourage move foreign yards since even Russia seems to be more outsourcing that work to local yards under the guise of "Made in India" to maximize profit. It will only increase pressure to finalize the Admiral Grigorivich deal.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 05 May 2018 22:35

Paanwaala working there says the same. Happened during a severe thunderstorm. Work is continuing , but at a slower rate.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby tsarkar » 05 May 2018 23:06

^^ I don't recollect a NOTAM for severe thunderstorms in Kolkata/Eastern India. However mechanical/structural/civil engineering has improved exponentially in the last few years and I expect GRSE to rise like a Phoenix from the ashes sooner than later like INS Betwa.

Good part is only hull was being constructed and no costly radar or missiles being fitted out. We make the DMR249A steel in India and with repairs to the old Goliath or a new Goliath, we can quickly build/repair Project 17A modules.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 05 May 2018 23:42

Thanks Indranil and HNair. IN ship building has entered sade saathi shani period may. Everything is getting delayed.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 06 May 2018 18:44

This is an effing catastrophe! The impact of the crane collapsing on the vessel would probably write off the vessel.The hull and keel would've suffered serious damage, deformation, etc. It may be better to simply build
a new vessel than try and repair the damaged vessel as so much of removal of damaged components must first be done before any repair work can start.Double the work.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 06 May 2018 20:35

it fell on modular sections of the vessel which must have been empty of fittings....so not a major loss. I dont think the sections had been assembled or fully fitted out yet. at most I would say 1 section is a wash given the crane is a narrow structure not a "roof"


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 06 May 2018 20:40

mostly 1 or max 2 of such "slices" got crushed. our modular shipbuilding does not fit out the sections as completely as the latest western shipyards do, which accounts for our longer fitting out times once the ship is floated....this may have proved a blessing in disguise here.

smaller versions are used in granite and marble shops where slabs are stacked up .... they pick and move to waiting truck....

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 06 May 2018 20:44

hyundais ulsan shipyard delivers around *300* ships annually using modular techniques, albeit mostly they are simple cargo ships

as one can see that goliath crane collapsing will total one modular section

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 06 May 2018 21:18

Karthik S wrote:Thanks Indranil and HNair. IN ship building has entered sade saathi shani period may. Everything is getting delayed.


When you have volumes, shipyards would probably need to efficient about the execution of orders ., anticipating and replenishing inventories, maximizing production .. is this because of management issues or inefficiency?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 06 May 2018 21:21

Curious though, if modular construction is in vogue., why not let the private shipyards build sections and ship them to the main assembling shipyard ., say for eg GRSE ?? ..

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 06 May 2018 21:25

RKumar wrote:
Austin wrote:Rajat Pandit
‏@rajatpTOI May 2



For me, these are a no go agreements. We should not sign any of these agreements like there is no Good or Bad Taliban on similarly there are no Less or More Restrictive agreements. These are all USA tools to promote their agenda, we should must protect our independence.


+1. India in a decade will not be the "middling" of today .. its better off in the long run without these restrictive "foundational" agreements.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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http://www.pib.nic.in/Pressreleaseshare ... ID=1531429


Ministry of Defence
Naval Commander’s conference to begin on 08 May at New Delhi
Posted On: 06 MAY 2018 10:56AM by PIB Delhi

The first edition of this year’s Bi-annual Naval Commander’s Conference is scheduled from 08 to 11 May 18. During the conference, Navy will review its new Mission-Based Deployments philosophy aimed at ensuring peace and stability in the region. The new deployment philosophy, in furtherance of the Hon’ble Prime Minister’s vision of Security and Growth for All in the Region (SAGAR), aims at sustained, peaceful and yet responsive presence of Indian Naval ships in critical areas and choke points.

The Navy’s focus over the past year has been on Combat Efficiency and Materiel Readiness, and upkeep of its large fleet of 131 ships and submarines. Various measures taken to improve Combat Efficiency, including the new Transition Cycle for ships for transition from maintenance periods through a training phase and thereon to full scale operations will be examined at the conference.

Measures to ensure safety, continued training, and checks and balances on crew proficiency on-board its frontline warships will also be reviewed. An overhaul of the training standards of units by revamping the ‘Ship Operating Standards (SHOPS)’ is also underway. The new SHOPS, set to be unveiled shortly, focuses on Role-based training in realistic scenarios and sets standards to be met by units as also targets individual crew proficiency levels.

The Navy has been at the forefront in the absorption and exploitation of cutting-edge technology. Naval Commanders would deliberate upon steps to improve the Teeth-to-Tail ratio and explore niche fields such as Artificial Intelligence and Big Data Analytics. Harnessing cutting-edge technology, specifically those ‘Made-in-India’, to improve organisational effectiveness and efficiency would be another key focus area of the Commanders.

Indian Navy has been the flag-bearer of the indigenisation and ‘Make in India’ initiative. 27 ships and submarines are currently under construction in Indian Shipyards, including the first indigenous Aircraft carrier ‘Vikrant’. The Navy promulgated the ‘Indian Naval Indigenisation Plan 2015-30’ which has laid down our plans for the next fifteen years. This allows for Industry to formulate strategies to meet the requirements of the Navy through the new Strategic Partnership Model, notified in May 17, as well as domestic R&D. These initiatives, which are aimed at enhancing indigenous defence industrial capability extending up to the Micro Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs), shall also be discussed.

The Commanders would also deliberate on the optimal utilisation of the Navy’s share of the defence budget through prioritising capital acquisitions and modernisation plans to bridge critical capability gaps. The four day conference would culminate on 11th May.

The Naval Commander’s Conference would be addressed by the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri during the inaugural session followed by discussions with the officials of Ministry of Defence.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 07 May 2018 12:12

China here to stay in Indian Ocean, its military movement cause for concern: Navy chief Sunil Lanba
The People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) is here to stay in the Indian Ocean and its military movement has fuelled concerns about China’s intent in the region, India’s senior-most military commander has said.

Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba said the Navy is keeping a sharp eye on “the pattern and periodicity of extra-regional deployments” in the Indian Ocean Region. A fleet of 50 combat-ready Indian warships is carrying out round-the-clock surveillance, he said. “Their (PLAN) headquarters is now used to handling forward deployments. Over the last decade, China has developed the capacity to operate its warships at a great distance from its shores and for long periods of time,” Lanba said in an interview. He is the country’s top military leader as chairman, chiefs of staff committee — a panel consisting of the three service chiefs.

Lanba’s comments come at a time when China’s growing military assertiveness in IOR is being discussed internationally. There were tensions between the US and China last week, with the Trump administration accusing China of directing powerful lasers at US aircraft flying over a Chinese military base in Djibouti.

The navy chief said China had “deeper pockets” than India and it was “going about systematically” increasing its presence and investments in the region. “There is a degree of debt-dependence of countries such as Djibouti on China,” Lanba said.

China began deploying troops to its first overseas naval base at Djibouti in the Horn of Africa in July 2017, in what some global experts said was the outcome of Beijing’s “debt-trap diplomacy”.

Mounting debts have led countries such as Sri Lanka, the Maldives and Pakistan to give control of territories, which are of strategic significance, to China.

The base in Djibouti has shored up China’s capabilities to sustain naval units in the Indian Ocean.

In February, Lanba cautioned “weaker nations” to be watchful of the “intent under the garb of cooperation” of their economically and militarily superior partners. “China is very focused on the IOR to secure and further its national interests. And for this, it will strengthen and use its naval power,” said Sudarshan Shrikhande, a retired rear admiral. He said China would become a more capable and versatile sea power in the coming years and India would have to do a lot more to sharpen its naval edge.

Lanba said the pattern of deployment of Chinese warships in the IOR was being mapped. “At any given time, they (China) have six to seven warships deployed in the region. Also, they send two conventional submarines to the area every year. This year we have detected no submarine movement,” he said, adding that the Indian Navy was focused on extending its own sustenance and reach in IOR.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 07 May 2018 12:50

There is only one method in which to deter the Chinese."Do unto them what they do unto you".
The IN/GOI must plan for a permanent presence in the Indo-China Sea (ICS),and I'm sure that we can work out a suitable agreement with Vietnam for the same,to support our vessels and aircraft,just as China is using Gwadar and Jiwani in Pak.Vietnam operates 6 late model kilos.which we are supposedly helping train their sub crews.Supplies of BMos,Prahar,Akash and other missiles like Prithvi,building warships for the Vietnamese navy,etc.,will hugely help us counter China in its own backyard.Other logistic help at SPore will also help us sanitise the Malacca Straits.However,a more pro-active MEA which falls woefully short of achievements (read the Maldivian ambassador about Indian red tape for projects,etc.) especially when interacting with our neighbours in the IOR littorals is an absolute must. There is a lot that smart diplomacy can achieve without the showing of the "big stick".

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 4317e6628a
The MOD is re-examining US pacts which would allow us access to UCAVs,etc.,but want a less resrrictive COMCASA agreement that "adresses India's concerns".

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 08 May 2018 00:38

Should fit well on Delhi class:

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Comparison with 2x2 installation on Rajputs:

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Singha wrote:it fell on modular sections of the vessel which must have been empty of fittings....so not a major loss. I dont think the sections had been assembled or fully fitted out yet. at most I would say 1 section is a wash given the crane is a narrow structure not a "roof"


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 08 May 2018 03:18

X-Post from the MoD: Defence Procurement Policies Issues and Discussions thread...

Philip wrote:
DPC turning out, as expected, to be yet another bureaucratic pimple
https://bharatkarnad.com/

Posted on May 6, 2018 by Bharat Karnad

Another reported that the stress was on the military services alighting on a coordinated plan to avoid developing duplication and triplication of capabilities that would be mindful of the financial constraints and keep in view rapidly advancing technologies and the likely nature of the wars of the future. In this context, the navy was asked not to push for the third indigenous aircraft carrier (that NHQ had hoped would have on board the prohibitively costly electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) that the US Navy is finding to be unaffordable. All present also apparently agreed that the flab needs to be excised. That’s all that has come out in the public realm.

How real is the bolded part? After all this is Bharat Karnad talking...

If true, disappointing....but not surprising. Both the carrier borne fighter and the aircraft carrier itself were unaffordable, considering the pittance that is allocated to the services for new acquisitions.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 08 May 2018 03:25

This broken record wants an order for a 2nd Vikrant class. This way you can at least share the air wing between the 3 ships.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 08 May 2018 04:09

http://www.janes.com/article/79674/china-launches-second-type-055-destroyer

Relevant for IN

Construction of the larger Type 055s has been undertaken outside the assembly hall, in part under sheeted scaffolding structures, followed by launch via the shiplift. Satellite imagery from April 2018 appears to show a growing number of ad-hoc scaffolding structures to protect hulls under construction, with work on at least one and possibly two Type 052D destroyers being undertaken outside the main construction hall.

Two shipyards – Changxingdao and Dalian – are constructing Type 055 destroyers. Changxingdao has been the lead yard for building destroyers for the PLAN since 2008, when the Jiangnan shipyard relocated from central Shanghai to the island at the mouth of the Yangtze River...
so there a lead yard and a second one providing support

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby vasu raya » 08 May 2018 06:50

Singha wrote:L&T launcher from livefist

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How different is the above config from the concept shown here, starting at 1:28

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 08 May 2018 07:27

Aditya G wrote:This broken record wants an order for a 2nd Vikrant class. This way you can at least share the air wing between the 3 ships.

IMO, a follow on Vikrant Class is always the better option from a timeline perspective. Just wider lifts is all I ask. Wider lifts to accommodate a greater variety of aircraft (Rafale M, F-18E/F, F-35B/C, etc) versus the Vikrant which can only accommodate the MiG-29K or the Tejas (which the Navy does not want). Since Boeing has cleared the F-18 to operate off a ski jump - from the Vikrant and Vikramaditya - I see no reason why the aircraft cannot do the same off another ski jump-equipped vessel. Gives the Navy greater flexibility - on which aircraft to choose - which Vikrant does not.

The Vishal has struggled to take off, since it has no takers in the MoD. First the nuclear-powered option was shot down by the MoD last year and if Bharat Karnad's reporting ( :roll: ) is true, EMALS appears to be on shaky ground. In the absence of either, what is the point?

Lay the keel for a follow on Vikrant and then decide on a Vishal Class aircraft carrier. As a sidetone, issues with the MiG-29K have to be resolved. With the Naval Tejas not in the picture and heaven-only-knows when the 57 carrier borne fighters will come, improving the serviceability of the MiG-29K is the only solution.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cain Marko » 08 May 2018 07:45

Aditya G wrote:This broken record wants an order for a 2nd Vikrant class. This way you can at least share the air wing between the 3 ships.

Absolutely, but they'll need to increase the fulcrum fleet. In some ways, I feel India should just negotiate with the russkis to get the mig 35 production line transferred. Reengine the bird with Snecma kaveri or typhoon engines and change the radar with an Israeli kit. 200 units between the Navy and vayu sena.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cybaru » 08 May 2018 08:23

Cain Marko wrote:
Aditya G wrote:This broken record wants an order for a 2nd Vikrant class. This way you can at least share the air wing between the 3 ships.

Absolutely, but they'll need to increase the fulcrum fleet. In some ways, I feel India should just negotiate with the russkis to get the mig 35 production line transferred. Reengine the bird with Snecma kaveri or typhoon engines and change the radar with an Israeli kit. 200 units between the Navy and vayu sena.



By the time you sign the dotted line, qualify a new engine, radar, go from IOC to FOC another 10-12 years would have gone by. Do you still think it will be worth it if that is the timeline?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kashi » 08 May 2018 08:28

Cain Marko wrote: Absolutely, but they'll need to increase the fulcrum fleet. In some ways, I feel India should just negotiate with the russkis to get the mig 35 production line transferred. Reengine the bird with Snecma kaveri or typhoon engines and change the radar with an Israeli kit. 200 units between the Navy and vayu sena.


Two questions here

1. Are RD-33K and Kaveri-Snecma engines interchangeable i.e. they can be swapped around without needing to modify engine intakes and diameter of the engine slot?

2. Does Mig-35 even have a carrier/naval variant?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby tsarkar » 08 May 2018 11:41

Kashi wrote:1. Are RD-33K and Kaveri-Snecma engines interchangeable i.e. they can be swapped around without needing to modify engine intakes and diameter of the engine slot?
No studies have been done to that effect.

Kashi wrote:2. Does Mig-35 even have a carrier/naval variant?
Its an exact copy of Indian funded MiG-29K minus folding wing. The original prototype retained the folding wing.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 08 May 2018 12:01

CM,the MIG-35 is a new aircraft based upon the 29's configuration which is an excellent aerodynamic platform,like a smaller Flanker ,Inside it has been extentively modified with AESA radars,avionics and I think a new improved TVC engine,perhaps more composites,etc. I don't think a definitive naval variant has flown as the RuN appears to be satisfied with the 29K for now,until their future carrier programmes take off.
What would be ideal for the IN is to acquire an upgraded version of the 29K with an AESA radar,etc.,an aircraft that has resolved all the problems the IN has had with the first batch of 29Ks. We don't know what was signed in the deal and what liabilities MIG has regarding problems,etc.Otherwise,one option is for replacing the legacy 29Ks with a batch of new improved/upgraded aircraft which have as many features which are on the 35.The IN can examine the IAF's 29UGs for one,and determine which variant and mods would suit it better.

According to a piece by BK,posted elsewhere,the DAC seems to have shot down the IN's future 3rd 65K EMALS CV due to its cost factor.The survivability of large capital ships and their escorts is going to be tough once the hypersonic missiles like the Ru Zircon and Chin ones being developed arrive.
We are going to witness tomorrow upgraded MIG-31Ks carrying Russia's latest hypersonic KH-47M2 M-10 Kinzhal missile at the Victory Day flypast for the first time.Imagine (hopefully) IN LR Backfires carrying these type of missiles with a 2000km range! We eagerly await the advent of BMos-H .

https://theaviationist.com/2018/05/05/r ... ehearsals/
The Kh-47M2 is a much-hyped long range missile claimed by Russia to be capable of speeds up to Mach 10 with a range of 1,200 miles (approximately 2,000 kilometers). The Russians further claim the weapon has maneuver capability even in part of the hypersonic performance envelope. While western analysts remain skeptical about the Kinzhal’s claimed capabilities, the missile has garnered significant attention in aviation media and intelligence communities.

The missile, is actually not a “hypersonic weapon” in the sense that it is an air-breathing cruise missile based on scramjet technology: it appears to be an adaptation of the Iskander missile and, as a ballistic missile, it flies at hypersonic speed with a reported cruise missile-like flat flight profile.


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