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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 03 May 2017 13:39

^^ They will be using VLS shtil-1 on the additional talwar class being considered for purchase.

I am sure all weapons work like Ad commercials seen on TV

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cain Marko » 03 May 2017 18:17

Austin wrote:Air Defence trials on Adv Talwar class frigate , VLS Shtil-1 can be seen in Action , Report are that VLS shtil-1 has ARH seeker

https://youtu.be/nWWbMmzLcpY

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2585710.html

missile firing of the Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system passing State tests in the Baltic Sea of ​​the third built for the Russian Navy frigate modified project 11356 Admiral Makarov. A simultaneous launch of four anti-aircraft guided missiles (9M317M or 9M317MA) was made.


Wasn't the makarov part of the latest talwar package
Bought by India?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 03 May 2017 18:27

It's Admiral Grigorovich.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Dihilipscussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby hnair » 03 May 2017 18:39

suryag wrote:^^^ Thanks Philip-lite sir, all Russian weapons work like "ad commercials seen on TV"


No personal baiting

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 04 May 2017 12:57

Must work! Otherwise penalties must be imposed...for all firang imports.There should be a level playing field. 'Adm.Grig/Talwar upgraded frigates will be v.useful additions to the fleet.Excellent bang for the buck and will come into service fast. If only more subs could come even faster...!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 05 May 2017 15:10

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017050310 ... val-docks/
India Revises Terms for Naval Transport Dock, Calls Fresh Bids © AP Photo/ Rajanish Kakade
ASIA & PACIFIC
18:35 03.05.2017
The Indian government has asked two of its domestic manufacturers to provide fresh commercial bids for manufacturing 20,000-ton landing platform docks (LPD) by the end of this month.

Indian Navy Expects $2.6 Bln Deal for Amphibious Transport Dock by Year End
New Delhi (Sputnik) — The government planned earlier to give the contract to both private and government-owned shipbuilders. Now, sources said, it was decided to give the entire four LPD contract to private players upon acceptance of their revised bids under the reworked plan.


https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017050410 ... al-vessel/
India to Challenge Chinese Monopoly on Naval Vessel Supply to Sri Lanka © Photo: Chamal Pathirana
ASIA & PACIFIC
10:48 04.05.2017
Amid increased Chinese presence in the Indian Ocean Region, India has expedited supplying naval vessels to its neighbors to sustain its hold in the region. Once the naval vessel is delivered to Mauritius, India’s Goa Shipyard is expected to transfer an offshore patrol vessel to Sri Lanka next month.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 05 May 2017 15:33

Livefist‏ @livefist 3h3 hours ago

Just in: RollsRoyce and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. (GRSE) agree on final assembly of MTU Series 4000 engines in India.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 05 May 2017 15:42

Revised LPD tender favours pvt. yards.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/ind ... icy-change
Indian Navy to buy vessels from private shipyards in policy change
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, May 4, 2017 (Photo Credit: Petty Officer 1st Class Scott Morton/U.S. Navy)
NEW DELHI — In a departure from an earlier policy of awarding big-ticket defense programs to state-owned companies on a nomination basis, the Indian Ministry of Defence has decided to source four landing platform docks from private defense companies.

"MoD will shortly invite revised commercial bids for purchase of four LPD vessels costing around $3 billion from two shortlisted private defense companies because the price validity has expired [last month] and government-owned companies have been dropped from the program," according to a senior MoD official.

Under the 2013 tender, only two LPDs were to be built by a domestic private sector company and the remaining two vessels on nomination basis by state-owned company Hindustan Shipyard Limited.

Only domestic defense companies Larsen & Toubro and Reliance Defence and Engineering Limited, or RDEL — formerly known as Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering — could clear the financial and technical compliance completed last year.

Currently no defense company in India can build LPD vessels alone. To execute the LPD program, L&T has teamed with Navantia of Spain while RDEL has forged a partnership with DCNS of France.

"The validity date for the tender has expired and the number of extensions that could be asked for from [the] Defence Procurement Procedures (DPP) perspective have also lapsed. Thus, MoD has no option but to ask for a fresh commercial bid," the senior MoD official said.

Welcoming the move to give all four LPD orders to private sector companies, Anil Jai Singh, a defense analyst and retired Indian Navy commodore, said: "Given the full-capacity order book with the government-owned shipyards, it is a welcome and long overdue step to bring the private shipyards into the shipbuilding mainstream with a substantial order which makes it worth their while."

Ankur Gupta, a defense analyst with Ernst and Young India, held a similar view. "This is a great opportunity for the Indian private defense companies to receive an order that is comparable in terms of numbers to what the public sector defense companies has been receiving over the past decades."

However, one Indian Navy official said the service fears that "private companies could underquote fresh commercial offers in desperation to win the order and eventually not deliver the vessels on time."

In response, the MoD official admitted: "Yes, there is a distinct possibility for such an eventuality."

The selected private shipyard will be asked to deliver the first LPD in eight years and subsequently other vessels in a time frame of two years thereafter, according to the Indian Navy official.

The LPD vessel is expected to accommodate 1,430 personnel and be equipped with a point-defense missile system, a close-in weapon system, an anti-torpedo decoy system, a chaff system, and heavy and light machine guns. In addition, helicopters up to 35 tons are expected to be able to operate from the vessel.

The Indian Navy currently operates only one LPD — the former U.S. Navy Austin-class amphibious transport dock Trenton, acquired in 1997 and renamed INS Jalashwa.

"The Indian Navy needs the LPDs most urgently to meet the strategic and tactical requirements for protecting the Indian Ocean region island territories and the territorial waters," the Navy official said.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 05 May 2017 15:44

Wow! All four LPDs to private firms? Such large ships? Only the Vikrant CSL is building is bigger than these.

I hope it works out. It could be one of the most important decisions the MoD make and herald in a new era of bharati shipbuilding.

I can't wait to see pictures of the first LPD.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jamwal » 05 May 2017 16:14

Written by Raghuvanshi ? Hard to beleive him

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jayasimha » 05 May 2017 16:48

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFI) FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SEVEN NEXT
GENERATION CORVETTES (NGCs) FOR INDIAN NAVY

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/def ... t%2016.pdf

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby titash » 05 May 2017 17:14

jayasimha wrote:REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFI) FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SEVEN NEXT
GENERATION CORVETTES (NGCs) FOR INDIAN NAVY

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/def ... t%2016.pdf


Sounds like the P-28A...a more general purpose version of the Kamorta class.

SSMs and lightweight torpedo tubes and ALH/NUH in lieu of the big Sea King. But still carries a towed array. Very respectable and well balanced frigate in my opinion. a true Leander class replacement...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jayasimha » 05 May 2017 17:46

date is old,, but seeing today only...

RFI for Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) Training Simulator for Project-75 (Scorpene) Submarine of Indian Navy

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/def ... download=1

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jayasimha » 05 May 2017 17:47

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFI) FOR CONSTRUCTION OF
FOUR IN NUMBER 250 MEN FERRY CRAFT
https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/def ... 4Apr16.pdf

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby arun » 05 May 2017 19:25

Austin wrote:Livefist‏ @livefist 3h3 hours ago

Just in: RollsRoyce and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. (GRSE) agree on final assembly of MTU Series 4000 engines in India.



Rolls Royce Power Systems press release disclosing agreement has been concluded with Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd (GRSE) for “significantly more complex” assembly of MTU 4000 seriesmarine diesel engines, namely the 12V 4000 M90 and MTU 16V 4000 M90 engines, at Ranchi.

Do note that is not the first time that GRSE has been involved with assembly of the 4000 Series engines in India as RR says “Since 2004, GRSE assembles Series 4000 engines in India from components and parts sourced from MTU. The now agreed assembly is significantly more complex than the work done previously”.

ROLLS-ROYCE AND GARDEN REACH AGREE TO ASSEMBLE MTU ENGINES IN INDIA

May 05, 2017
•MTU Series 4000 engines for naval vessels will be assembled at Diesel Engine Plant in Ranchi
•Agreement deepens long-standing co-operation between MTU and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers

FRIEDRICHSHAFEN, GERMANY – Rolls Royce and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. (GRSE) have agreed the final assembly of MTU Series 4000 engines in India. The 12V and 16V 4000 M90 type engines will be assembled in GRSE’s Diesel Engine Plant in Ranchi. An option for the local production of parts in the future was also agreed. The engines have a rated power of 2,040 and 2,720 kW, respectively, and will be installed in various naval vessels built by GRSE. The agreement includes the transfer of MTU technology related to assembly, testing and painting. GRSE is one of India’s leading shipyards and part of the Indian Ministry of Defence as a Defense Public Sector Unit (PSU). MTU is a brand of Rolls-Royce Power Systems.

Rear Admiral (ret.) V K Saxena, Chairman and Managing Director at GRSE, said: “This agreement strengthens our long-standing and successful partnership with MTU. It is an important contribution to our indigenization programme in line with the government’s Make in India strategy. We plan to take forward the partnership between GRSE and MTU partnership and to achieve 40 percent indigenous content progressively for MTU 4000 series engines.”

Praveen Mohan, CEO of MTU India, said: “We are delighted to continue and deepen our co-operation with GRSE. India is one of the most important growth markets for MTU. MTU has demonstrated its commitment to India as a location for business and investment for many years through the Engineering & Research Center and Global Purchasing Office based in Pune as well as earlier licence agreements with GRSE. We look forward to making further engines in India.”

MTU and GRSE have a long-standing relationship spanning over three decades which started with the assembly of MTU Series 538 and 396 engines, also at the Diesel Engine Plant (DEP) in Ranchi. Since 2004, GRSE assembles Series 4000 engines in India from components and parts sourced from MTU. The now agreed assembly is significantly more complex than the work done previously. GRSE’s DEP has already assembled more than 100 MTU engines.

The Indian government’s strategy for strengthening the Indian economy – called “Make in India” – is gaining prominence in India for all naval and land defence projects. The agreement between MTU and GRSE is in line with this strategy.


From the RR Web site here:

Clicky

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 07 May 2017 03:32

INS Rajput - your own Mini-Slava class cruiser

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 08 May 2017 13:14

Great to see that the Rajput has been refitted with 8 BMos SSMs replacing the old SSN-2-D missiles. Amazing how the Kashin class,which is fundamentally a '60's design has evolved and been improved by us. The Krivak too morphed into the Talwar.Grigorivich class. We did the same with a stretched ull of the Leander into the G/B class. It shows that when you have a v.good hull,one can do wonders topsides with newer eqpt./sennnsors,helos, when they arrive.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jayasimha » 08 May 2017 18:57

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFI)
FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ELEVEN AMMUNITION CUM TORPEDO CUM
MISSILE BARGES
https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/def ... download=1

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bheeshma » 08 May 2017 22:25

Rajput is already 37 years old. How long is navy planning on keeping them around? Except for the last 2 most are already 33+ yrs old. Hopefully P-15B's will come in faster to replace these.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 08 May 2017 22:47

INS Vizag is coming next year.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby K_Rohit » 09 May 2017 12:51

Philip wrote:Great to see that the Rajput has been refitted with 8 BMos SSMs replacing the old SSN-2-D missiles. Amazing how the Kashin class,which is fundamentally a '60's design has evolved and been improved by us. The Krivak too morphed into the Talwar.Grigorivich class. We did the same with a stretched ull of the Leander into the G/B class. It shows that when you have a v.good hull,one can do wonders topsides with newer eqpt./sennnsors,helos, when they arrive.


If I am not mistaken, its 4 Brahmos and not 8. Even the other Rajput, which had a VLS put in place of the aft SA-N-1 launcher had 4 Brahmos, I think.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby JTull » 09 May 2017 13:48

K_Rohit wrote:
Philip wrote:Great to see that the Rajput has been refitted with 8 BMos SSMs replacing the old SSN-2-D missiles. Amazing how the Kashin class,which is fundamentally a '60's design has evolved and been improved by us. The Krivak too morphed into the Talwar.Grigorivich class. We did the same with a stretched ull of the Leander into the G/B class. It shows that when you have a v.good hull,one can do wonders topsides with newer eqpt./sennnsors,helos, when they arrive.


If I am not mistaken, its 4 Brahmos and not 8. Even the other Rajput, which had a VLS put in place of the aft SA-N-1 launcher had 4 Brahmos, I think.


It WAS fitted with 4 in 2003 (from horse's mouth), but the above picture confirms another pair on each side.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Surya » 09 May 2017 17:43

Bheeshma wrote:Rajput is already 37 years old. How long is navy planning on keeping them around? Except for the last 2 most are already 33+ yrs old. Hopefully P-15B's will come in faster to replace these.



Well maintained, well captained - they have still beaten out newer ships

a fundamentally solid design.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 09 May 2017 18:11

i would like to see a new line of rajput hulls as fast paced harassment and sub hunting ships with asroc missiles , helis and 16 pack of HWT. these things can chase down SSNs.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 09 May 2017 18:43

The Delhis were supposed to be developed from the Rajput/Kashin design. Amazing how long these ladies have lasted. I think that since they've been fitted with BMos,they could serve for as long as 40 yrs. provided their hulls are in good shape. The SAMs too could be upgraded with VLS Shtils or B-8s instead ,unless some upgrades have been done to the SAN-1s which we are unaware of. I am sure that replacing those ponderous radars/missile directors,etc. with smaller more modern ones would lighten the loading too. These destroyers are great assets.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 09 May 2017 22:11

RuN also has 1 rajput in service.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bheeshma » 09 May 2017 22:26

Why would anyone want more Rajputs? I would prefer 4 more P-28A's for the same ASW and 8 more variants with Brahmos-M to replace P-25/25A's.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 10 May 2017 01:24

Saw an awful detail about the LPDs."8"yrs for the first one!The next one's at 2 yr intervals.YeGods!
The Chinese must becrolling with laughter.They've built their new carrier in less than 5 yrs and will have two more launched by 2020+.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 10 May 2017 02:48

Has there been news about General Dynamics being given the go ahead to sell India, EMALS (not tech) ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cosmo_R » 10 May 2017 04:27

Khalsa wrote:Has there been news about General Dynamics being given the go ahead to sell India, EMALS (not tech) ?


That would be General Atomics

http://www.ga.com/emals

AFAIK, the US has indicated it would sell emals to India as part of the collaboration on the 'Vishal'. But no new news that I have seen.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 10 May 2017 04:41

Cosmo_R wrote:
Khalsa wrote:Has there been news about General Dynamics being given the go ahead to sell India, EMALS (not tech) ?


That would be General Atomics

http://www.ga.com/emals

AFAIK, the US has indicated it would sell emals to India as part of the collaboration on the 'Vishal'. But no new news that I have seen.



Ah Thank you. yes the fingers typed in Dynamics.

Another follow up question. Do we also get tech for this later on ... i.e are those separate negotiations or just intertwined.
Anyone got a link to a discussion page.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 10 May 2017 06:01

Cosmo_R wrote:
Khalsa wrote:Has there been news about General Dynamics being given the go ahead to sell India, EMALS (not tech) ?


That would be General Atomics

http://www.ga.com/emals

AFAIK, the US has indicated it would sell emals to India as part of the collaboration on the 'Vishal'. But no new news that I have seen.



This has been confirmed by multiple news stories from the US side.

But from the Indian end, the IN 's vision for a 65K-ton CATOBAR incorporating EMALS has been rejected by the Ministry of Defense. Top IN brass had said they will bring up the plan every so many months until it is accepted. Adm. Lanba and Vice Adm. Despande said they are confident they will eventually get the okay. They said are willing to table other big ticket items to get this carrier.

So that tells me the Navy has a clear cut vision of what they want but the MoD is not willing to sign off on it -- yet.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 10 May 2017 06:12

chola wrote:So that tells me the Navy has a clear cut vision of what they want but the MoD is not willing to sign off on it -- yet.


What the hell ?
Why the obstructionism ? Has Vishaal not been cleared or does MoD wants a ski jump or a single vendor situation like the Jaguar re-engine project.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Sid » 10 May 2017 06:31

EMALS will be hyper expensive, and will be a drain on ship's power supplies. Plus they won't part with any tech related to EMALS. Also it does not make sense to go for a Gen 1 EMALS. Risks for our second ship are just too obvious.

Why we end up being the first "guinea pigs customer" for everything new in defense market.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 10 May 2017 06:34

There are likely to be 3 operational EMALS equipped carriers (if not 4) on top of the already working ground facility, by the time the IN floats her EMALS equipped carrie out at sea if it chooses to exercises that option.

https://s21.postimg.org/e8vf79g1j/Ogles ... Page_8.jpg
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Pratyush » 10 May 2017 06:38

One 25 megawatts gas turbine with capacitor bank will do the job.

As what I understand it takes 75 seconds for an EMALS to reach its full capacity. So for 2 launchers one 25 mw gt will be sufficient to power it up.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srai » 10 May 2017 08:16

Sid wrote:EMALS will be hyper expensive, and will be a drain on ship's power supplies. Plus they won't part with any tech related to EMALS. Also it does not make sense to go for a Gen 1 EMALS. Risks for our second ship are just too obvious.

Why we end up being the first "guinea pigs customer" for everything new in defense market.


The contract on the sale of EMALS stipulates the US personnel be on-board INS Vishal at all times during operation for monitoring usage and fixing minor issues. Personnel also need to be accommodated at the IN naval base where the ship will be berth for safeguarding of "sensitive" technologies. They are the only authorized people who can undertake inspection/repairs of the equipment related to it. Further, the contract states that in the event of any major issues the ship will be sent to a US shipyard for a complete "debug", and all related ship-design should be shared with the US entity for the fulfillment of the said support contract agreement :P

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Sid » 10 May 2017 09:07

Following is a transcript from an oversight committee on USN EMALS. Although old lot of info is relevant.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-111h ... g52945.pdf

Page 15 onwards it got some interesting info.

Mr. AKIN. Well, there have been some problems on it. Is that right?
Captain MAHR. Yes, sir.
Mr. AKIN. What exactly were the problems? It is much more ex- pensive now. General Atomics did us a favor and charged a whole lot more, right, because some things happened that made it more expensive?
Captain MAHR. Yes, sir.
Mr. AKIN. Where did we get off the track to start with?
Captain MAHR. From an engineering perspective, we have found
a lot of things. We have tested the—we have completed one main phase of test, and we are in the process of finishing the next two main phases of test. The motor generator, as we have been talking about——


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