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Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 02 Apr 2018 03:42

chola wrote:Cross-posting from the chini mil thread:

chola wrote:According to posts on the Paki site:



We better plumb the f-ing Russians on PLAN operations to make up for the MiG-29K intel.

The faster we can move on from the MiG-29K, the better.


some news about the Russians offering more Mig 29 s to "make up the numbers " ahem :lol:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 02 Apr 2018 05:31

You can bet that the aircraft had their key eqpt. removed before exercising with the Chins.We do the same when we exercise with the US and West with our MKIs! In any case the Chin clones of the SU-33 exist so little to be gleaned from this.In fact it gives the Rus a chance to see what the Chins have done with the Varyag.Improvements definitely from the 2 decades old eqpt., etc.

The media report about us wanting 80 more MI- 17Vs and the offer of a MIG-29 sqd.+ to make up our acute shortages ( possibly immediately), beggars a Q I asked a long time ago.Why have we never contemplated building the helo here? We have around 200 in service and having so many in the inventory with at least 100 more inevitable is worth doing.The MI- 17V is the unmatched world leader in med. sized helos used even by the West in Afghanistan.

The soonef the req. for 200 naval helos is also decided upon the better.Warships without ASW capability are sitting ducks.A look at the KA-226 naval version is worthwhile sincd the IA is acquiring hundreds.It must satisfy the IN's light helo ASW reqs. though, ability to carry LW torpedoes, etc.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby suryag » 02 Apr 2018 13:03

Why cant they do it with us ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby hnair » 02 Apr 2018 16:17

Uh oh fig leaf alert :lol:

In the past, the Russian navy had been without STOBAR vessels for long years and yet they did not come to India, despite long collaboration and vast Indian experience (including combat). Nor did they loose any edge by training only from land based facilities. So why would anyone go to the PLAN?

Go with the most obvious explanation: PLAN is unable to train its pilots due to either design inadequacies or lack of experience. Russians are being called in to sort it out under guise of Kunetsov maintenance. They are being contracted to develop SOPs and training programmes.

H&D needs to be maintained and Pensacola seem open to only Injuns :oops:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby John » 02 Apr 2018 16:37

OT but it's an attempt by Russia to sell Mig-29k, J-15 have utter disappointment for China because of its inability to carry meaningful load from Liaoning and maintenance issues.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 02 Apr 2018 18:19

Chins unwilling to acknowledge that gleat Chinese navy can't ploperly opelate airclaft from calliers what?
Seems possible,but it could've been done more discreetly by just sending a team which wouldn't be noticed.What about gleat Chin stearth airclaft supposed to also be callier capable?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 02 Apr 2018 23:21

that would be the J31. smaller and lighter than the J15 for sure and blazing rates of climb, ELO and heavy internal payload...worthy of the proposed 110,000t "Punisher Class Carrier" :twisted:

it is what the JSF could have been, but never will be ... tsk tsk

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Postby brar_w » 02 Apr 2018 23:59

Singha wrote:that would be the J31. smaller and lighter than the J15 for sure and blazing rates of climb, ELO and heavy internal payload...worthy of the proposed 110,000t "Punisher Class Carrier" :twisted:

it is what the JSF could have been, but never will be ... tsk tsk

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A twin engine JSF would not have made sense for the US. If they wanted a twin engine aircraft there would have had to be a need for that two engines which would have meant a larger aircraft that would have sized out a single engine option (like the F-22 did). There are logistical elements you look at when your planned fleet size is a couple of thousand units unlike a silver bullet fleet.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 03 Apr 2018 00:01

Singha wrote:that would be the J31. smaller and lighter than the J15 for sure and blazing rates of climb, ELO and heavy internal payload...worthy of the proposed 110,000t "Punisher Class Carrier" :twisted:

it is what the JSF could have been, but never will be ... tsk tsk


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2018 05:38

Relax i was just being sarcastic about j31

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 03 Apr 2018 14:59

Well, keep in mind that they don't have any official interest in that aircraft. If the Chinese are smart, they will likely hold off on integrating a new advanced fighter into their carrier aviation until they first put a working catapult out which they are confirmed to be working on.

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Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Peregrine » 04 Apr 2018 00:23

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

Nuclearisation of Indian Ocean pushing Pakistan, India closer to war: report

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The acquirement of nuclear-armed submarines by Pakistan and India has increased the chances of a destructive war between the two countries, reported Vox.

Islamabad has publicly stated that the decision to arm Pakistan Navy with nuclear submarines is a direct response to New Delhi, which announced the deployment of its first nuclear submarine, in August 2016, according to the American news website.

In theory, the presence of nuclear missiles on submarines had made any war between the two adversaries potentially unwinnable, and ultimately, futile, the US-based news website underlined.

As Pakistan and India have now achieved completion of the nuclear triad, both have the capability to strike each other by land, air and sea. In the event of a nuclear war, the submarine is traditionally considered the ‘safest’ bet, as it can survive a first strike by the enemy, and retaliate effectively.

Pakistan and India are arch enemies and bilateral relations between the two countries have been uneasy at best ever since becoming independent in 1947. More recently, they have also been locked in a nuclear arms race.

Vox notes that as the race spirals over into the Indian Ocean, the number of atomic weapons on the sub-continent is increasing, the chain of command and control over these weapons is at risk of being loosened, and they are now being placed in an environment where things can go horribly wrong.

“The nuclearisation of the Indian Ocean has begun,” Zafar Jaspal, a nuclear security expert at Islamabad’s Quaid-e-Azam University, told Vox. “Both states have now crossed the threshold,” he added.

The report has compared the situation in South Asia to the nuclear standoff on the Korean peninsula, although it admits that Islamabad and New Delhi have managed to avoid international scrutiny over their nuclear programmes. It has also warned of a nuclear conflict arising from a surprise attack, as inexperienced officers control atomic weapons in contested waters.

Accidents, mishaps and attacks

According to Vox, United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom and France all have nuclear-armed submarines that are also powered by nuclear propulsion. They can travel underwater, virtually undetected, for months, limited only by the availability of food for their crew, for which they have to come to the surface.

Pakistan, Israel and India, on the other hand, have nuclear-armed submarines that are powered by diesel-electric engines. Compared to the elite class of hardware owned by major world powers, these tend to make a lot more noise, and can only stay submerged for two weeks at most. These submarines are, therefore, easier to track.

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Vox further reported that despite spending billions of dollars on the Arihant, India came close to a colossally embarrassing disaster when a hatch on the submarine was left open and seawater flooded the propulsion compartment. The Indian Armed Forces blamed a ‘human error’ for the mishap, and the defence ministry tried to ‘hush-up the whole incident’.

In a startling revelation, the American website claims that even the political leadership in India was kept in the dark about events surrounding the incident.

The Hindu later reported that the submarine was undergoing ‘extensive repairs’.

The US-based news website also highlighted that another Indian nuclear submarine is sitting dry in the dock after ‘an unspecified accident’ damaged sonar equipment on it. INS Chakra was on loan from Russia, and Moscow has already billed India US$20 million for repairs.

Pakistan has also announced that it has successfully tested a submarine-launched cruise missile which has the ability to carry nuclear payloads and is in the process of putting nuclear-tipped warheads onboard its French-built nuclear submarines.

It has also reached a deal with China to buy eight more diesel-electric attack submarines that can be equipped with nuclear weapons. These are scheduled for delivery in 2028, according to Vox. Islamabad has also signalled its willingness to put nuclear missiles on surface vessels, as it moves away from a doctrine of ‘minimum credible deterrence’ to ‘full spectrum deterrence’.

Command and control

Putting nukes in the hands of officers at sea weaken the chain of command and control over atomic weapons, the American website claims. It also adds to chances of an accidental exchange of fire which could result in a full-on nuclear war on the sub-continent.

As Pakistan and India look for the membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), both have implemented vigorous checks for the safety and security of their existing arsenals.

The ultimate authority over nuclear weapons in both countries rests with civilian leaders. Pakistan, for its part, has established a state-of-the-art system for the safety of its nuclear weapons. There is a National Command Authority (NCA), headed by the prime minister in Islamabad, which must authorise the decision to use nuclear weapons.

However, Pakistan and India keep their nuclear systems de-mated, which means that the nuclear warheads that power missiles are kept in different locations. Vox further reported that India also keeps its ‘trigger or detonator far from the fissile core’. At sea, in contrast, these measures are not implementable.

The website revealed that warheads and missiles have already been assembled and stored in the same place at sea, and individual submarine captains have ‘significant freedom to decide whether to launch their nukes’.

“The new danger for both countries is that the problem of command and control over the submarines becomes very tenuous,” Pervez Hoodbhoy, a nuclear physicist and frequent visiting scholar at Princeton University, told Vox.

“With land-based weapons, the warhead is separated from the delivery system. You can’t do that with warheads on a submarine. When it leaves the port, it is already armed.”

“Either you do not give the arming code to the captain … or you give it to him before he leaves the port and he can, of his own accord, launch a nuclear missile,” he stated.

Traditionally, the weakest link in the chain of nuclear command at sea has been the problems associated with communicating with submarines.

Normal radio communication is not possible with a submerged sub, and to communicate with central command, these machines use very low frequency (VLF) and extremely low frequency (ELF) radio transmissions. Voice messages are not possible at these frequencies, so only coded messages and text messages are put through. These dispatches are also one-way, and submarines cannot reply or ask questions of the central command.

“Essentially the submarine is on its own,” Hoodbhoy said to the news website, adding that “it can’t communicate back” unless it sticks an antenna above the water surface and compromises its location.

There have also been concerns that if a first strike by any nation destroys land-based communications networks of the other, nuclear-armed submarines of the country will essentially operate on their own.

Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is managed by an elite agency within the military called the Strategic Plans Division. The American website notes that the SPD projects an image of calm professionalism.

In Islamabad, Vox reporters also met Director SPD Arms Control Brig Gen Zahir Kazmi who told them that the country “is very much alive” to the dangers of managing nuclear weapons at sea. “We are confident but not complacent,” he was quoted as saying.

Kazmi recognised the responsibility of safeguarding the weapons in the face of a challenging domestic security environment but bristled at any suggestion from Americans that Pakistan’s military might not be up to the task of protecting its most important assets.

“Managing nuclear safety and security is not a white man’s burden only,” he said. “Pakistan is managing its responsibilities quite well. There is a deliberate tendency to forget that Pakistan’s record is as good, if not better, than that of the US.”

The involvement of the United States in the affairs of the Indian Ocean has been met with fierce criticism. Publicly promoting the facade of neutrality, the Americans have in secret signed commercial agreements with India that allow New Delhi some benefits afforded only by signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Vox outlined.

Pakistan is also moving towards ‘full spectrum deterrence’, which represents a significant shift from the doctrine of ‘minimum credible deterrence’ it previously followed. The development of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons is the clearest example of this, Vox noted.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby tsarkar » 05 Apr 2018 20:14

MiG-29K performing Touch & Go on the INS Vikramaditya landing strip. Requires good proficiency.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ8fp17UMAAr-T9.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch-and-go_landing

A beautiful photo of INS Tarkash with USS Theodore Roosevelt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZUeUWbVwAASxOz.jpg\

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 05 Apr 2018 20:51

Fadnavis, politicos witness naval exercise

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Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis along with MPs and senior state functionaries visited front-line warships of the Indian Navy's Western Fleet and witnessed a naval exercise on Wednesday.

This was the first time such an event was attempted.

"Vice Admiral Girish Luthra, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Western Naval Command, hosted Fadnavis and other visitors, which also included Ramraje Naik Nimbalkar, chairman of the Legislative Council, and Haribhau Bagade, speaker of the Legislative Assembly," an official said.

The dignitaries were on board front-line Navy warships of the Western Fleet for the exercise, in which INS Vikramaditya along with some warships—INS Chennai, INS Kolkata, INS Trishul and INS Teg—of the Western Fleet participated, the official added.

The shipborne anti-submarine warfare Seaking and AEW Kamov helicopters and the MiG-29K carrier-borne fighter aircraft participated in an impressive air power demo.

"Besides a detailed briefing on the role and scope of operations of the Western Naval Command, an operational demo was conducted for the embarked personnel. The exercises and live demonstration included a submarine demo by the recently commissioned submarine INS Kalvari and missile demo by INS Vidyut," the official noted.

"In addition, a search and rescue demo by SAR helicopters provided a clear insight into the complexities of rescue operations at sea, especially in higher sea states," the official said in a statement.

Fadnavis lauded the role of the armed forces in safeguarding territorial, maritime and economic interests of the country and acknowledged the gallant services of the naval personnel to the nation with professionalism and fortitude in the challenging environments of the high seas.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kartik » 06 Apr 2018 02:28

IN MiG-29K of INAS 300 White Tigers squadron with the iconic emblem on its nose.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 06 Apr 2018 02:50

^^^ Very nice picture. First time I am seeing the White Tigers of Rewa on a MiG-29K.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Viv S » 06 Apr 2018 03:05

"Caution TP-5 Do Not Turn" ??

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 07 Apr 2018 11:46

[b]India orders additional Barak-1 short-range SAMs[/b

http://www.janes.com/article/78846/indi ... range-sams

The Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has contracted Israel Aerospace Industries/Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to supply additional Barak-1 short-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).

The contract, which is valued at INR4.6 billion (USD70.5 million), will see 131 Barak-1 shipborne, point defence missiles delivered to the Indian Navy (IN), the MoD announced in a 20 March statement. The acquisition had been cleared by the ministry in January.

In April 2017 the MoD's Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) had also cleared the import of 100 Barak-1 SR-SAMs worth INR5 billion for the IN, but it is believed that no contract was signed thereafter. Prior to that, in October 2014, the MoD had signed a contract to acquire Barak-1s for the service for INR8.75 billion.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 08 Apr 2018 13:18

CHIEF OF THE NAVAL STAFF ADMIRAL SUNIL LANBA IN CONVERSATION WITH NITIN A GOKHALE... EXCLUSIVE


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 08 Apr 2018 13:55

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taiwan-usa-submarines/trump-administration-grants-license-for-taiwan-submarine-project-report-idUSKBN1HE0PU
The news agency said Taiwan Ministry of National Defense Chen Chung-chi confirmed that the U.S. Department of State had agreed to grant the license needed to sell the technology to Taiwan that it would need to build its own submarine.

could be of some significance to India !

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 12 Apr 2018 11:47

Defense Expo 2018: Amphibious plane, shipborne UAV to join military fleet

Mahindra signed an MoU with ShinMaywa Industries Limited, Japan, to manufacture and assemble the US-2 amphibious aircraft in the country. Mahindra will also set up MRO (maintenance, repair and overhaul) units for the aircraft. The MoU has come at a time when India and Japan are discussing the methodology for the procurement of US-2 by the Indian Navy


In another development, Mahindra Defence and Israeli firm Aeronautics signed an MoU to partner for naval shipborne UAVs for the Indian Navy. Aeronautics, a leading manufacturer of UAVs, is an Israeli public listed company and its Orbiter series of UAVs has been sold to many countries. The Orbiter 4 is an advanced multi-mission UAV that can carry and operate two different payloads simultaneously. It can carry advanced radar and cellular interception sensors and fly for up to 24 hours at 18,000 feet with a maximum take-off weight of 50kg.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby arun » 12 Apr 2018 20:01

X Posted from the Indian Military Aviation thread to the Military Acquisitions, Indian Navy and the India and Japan threads.

Mahindra Defence press release regards joining hands with Shinmaywa Industries Limited to “set up MRO services / manufacturing and assembling of structural parts & components” for the US-2 Amphibious Aircraft :

Mahindra Defence and Shinmaywa Industries Limited Join Hands for US-2 Amphibious Aircraft

Tokyo / Chennai, April 11, 2018: Mahindra Defence’s Memorandum of Understanding with ShinMaywa Industries Limited, Japan, manufacturer of Amphibious Aircraft US-2 is one of the key events at Defexpo 2018, Chennai. Signing this MOU on the side lines of this event offers both the companies to join forces in order to set up MRO services / manufacturing and assembling of structural parts & components for US-2 amphibian aircraft.

ShinMaywa US-2, manufactured by Japan-based ShinMaywa Industries, is a modern amphibious aircraft is a veritable force multiplier since it fulfils a multitude of missions in a single platform. It is an unique aircraft and the only ‘in service’ open sea capable amphibian aircraft with state of art equipment, very rough sea operations (Sea state 5 up to 3m wave height), riverine/lake landing capability, STOL features, long endurance and extended radius of operations with large payload capacity. With such unique features, US-2 may be considered as an effective platform to carry out ‘Benign’ missions such as SAR, CASEVAC, Humanitarian Relief and Disaster Management, and ‘Constabulary’ missions such as extended EEZ surveillance,Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA) missions of the Indian Navy etc. The ShinMaywa US-2 fleet is deployed by Japanese Maritime Self Defence Forces across their remote islands chain for Exclusive Economic Zones protection, surveillance and Search & rescue operations.

India and Japan are now discussing the methodology of procurement of Amphibian Aircraft US-2 requirements of the Indian Navy. Both nations are working on the way forward to induct this aircraft in India.

Both ShinMaywa and Mahindra Defence have entered into this partnership with a view to set up MRO services in India and also undertake manufacturing, assembling of structural parts & components for US-2 amphibian aircraft etc. Mahindra is the only Indian private sector OEM for small aircraft which sold in many countries globally. Given their joint capabilities it is only natural that both companies have come together and are confident of delivering solutions for this aircraft as mandated by the Indian Ministry of Defence.

Mr SP Shukla, Group President, Aerospace & Defence Sector, Mahindra Group and Chairman, Mahindra Defence, said that “This partnership between two companies familiar with the aviation business is positive especially for MRO and maintenance services in the Indian defence aerospace sector. We are committed to absorbing maintenance TOT for this large amphibious aircraft in India. Our partnership will enable us to leverage our strengths and consequently this will contribute to growing Indian aerospace ecosystem.”

Mr Yasuo Kawanishi, Director, ShinMaywa Industries Limited said, “This is a versatile aircraft ideally suited for Indian conditions. The US-2 with its unmatched capability is considered to be extremely useful for strengthening the safety and security of SLOCs, long range Fleet Support and Island/Off shore assets (both overseas and coastal) support functions. These missions when combined in a single multimodal platform such as the US-2 can earn for India the precious goodwill of nations of the Indian Ocean region commensurate with its identity as a responsible rising power. Japan Maritime Defence Force have extensively used this aircraft for many years now”

This MOU also envisages both the companies to build up a strategic partnership for future versions of US-2 amphibian aircraft.

About ShinMaywa Industries

The ShinMaywa group has a product range of Aircraft, Industrial Machinery, Environmental Systems, Special Purpose Trucks and Passenger Boarding Bridges. ShinMaywa products are exported to over 100 countries around the globe, including India. Among the defence products, it manufactures the Amphibious Aircraft US-2. The ShinMaywa Group statement “Brighten Your Future” expresses the resolve of the company to contribute to a better tomorrow and the earnest desire to play an indispensable role in society.

ShinMaywa Industries Limited: website: http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/

About Mahindra Defence

Mahindra Defence has companies engaged in catering to needs of all three wings of Defence forces – Army, Air Force and Navy. Their product range includes armoured vehicles, underwater warfare equipment, avionics and surveillance equipment’s etc. Mahindra Defence is also poised to enter the field of defence aviation and has interest in building helicopters and aircraft for the armed forces. Through Land Systems units in India and UAE, Mahindra Defence has been supplying customized armoured vehicles to the Indian Army, Para Military Forces and overseas customers. Naval Systems unit based in Pune has been supplying decoy & torpedo launchers, large composite structures for defence applications to the Indian Navy etc. Mahindra Defence is also engaged in Defence Electronics and Avionics through a JV with Telephonics.

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Postby arun » 12 Apr 2018 20:14

X Posted from the UAV’s thread to the Military Acquisitions, Indian Navy and the Indo-Israel threads.

Mahindra Defence press release regards joining hands with Aeronautics Ltd of Israel “to offer the maritime version of Orbiter 4 for the Indian Navy”, The Orbiter 4 is a Naval Shipborne UAV:

Mahindra Defence and Aeronautics Limited Israel to Partner for Shipborne UAVs
Chennai, April 11, 2018: Mahindra Defence and Aeronautics of Israel signed a Memorandum of Understanding to partner for Naval Shipborne UAVs. Aeronautics and Mahindra will offer a UAV system which can be launched and recovered from Indian warships.

Aeronautics, a leading manufacturer of Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), is an Israeli public listed company, and is a key player in the defence domain. Aeronautics is the OEM of Orbiter series of UAVs which has been sold in many countries globally.

The Aeronautics Orbiter 4 is an advanced multi-mission platform with an ability to carry and operate two different payloads simultaneously. With an open architecture, the Orbiter 4 can be specially adjusted to the needs of each mission. Among the different payloads the Orbiter 4 can carry are Maritime patrol radar (MPR), Cellular interception sensor, Satellite communication, Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR), Automatic Identification System (AIS) and advanced electro-optic payload. Orbiter 4 capabilities include maximum endurance of up to 24 hours, maximum take-off weight of 50 Kgs, maximum flight altitude of 18,000 feet while operating different payloads.

Mahindra Defence and Aeronautics have entered into this partnership to offer the maritime version of Orbiter 4 for the Indian Navy. The UAV will carry state of the art sensor payloads as required by Indian Navy. The UAV will be capable of being launched and recovered from small warships that do not have a helicopter deck including small warships which are around 50 m in length. This UAV will be a force multiplier for the Indian Navy.

Mr Amos Mathan, CEO Aeronautics LTD said, “Aeronautics has entered into this partnership to offer the maritime version of Orbiter 4 to Indian Navy. We will work together with Mahindra Defence to manufacture Orbiter UAVs in India. We are ready for transfer of technology and transfer of production line in India. This is a sign of Aeronautics’ commitment to India by offering our newest and most advanced aerial solutions for operations by Indian Navy - one of the best navies in the world.”

Mr SP Shukla, Group President, Aerospace & Defence Sector, Mahindra Group and Chairman, Mahindra Defence, said that “Mahindra group has been supporting Make in India initiative whole heartedly. We always identify high quality products and enter into partnerships that we believe will bring maximum value to our defence forces. We believe that Indian armed forces should get the state of the art products while we develop skill and competency for defence manufacturing indigenously. Specifically, we have entered into this partnership to address a range of possibilities from offsets to manufacturing in India which includes transfer of technology and life time support of the product.”

About Aeronautics LTD

With its UAS’s deployed by over 75 defense, military, and homeland security forces in more than 50 different countries around the world, Aeronautics group provides unmanned aerial solutions for the most advanced Defense Para-military and HLS missions. Integrating surveillance equipment with network information, Aeronautics’ unmanned aerial systems are ideal for land, sea and air operations, and have already accumulated hundreds of thousands of operational flight hours worldwide.

Learn more about Aeronautics Group on www.aeronautics-sys.com

About Mahindra Defence

Mahindra Defence has companies engaged in catering to needs of all three wings of Defence forces – Army, Air Force and Navy. Their product range includes armoured vehicles, underwater warfare equipment, avionics and surveillance equipment’s etc. Mahindra Defence is also poised to enter the field of defence aviation and has interest in building helicopters and aircraft for the armed forces. Through Land Systems units in India and UAE, Mahindra Defence has been supplying customized armoured vehicles to the Indian Army, Para Military Forces and overseas customers. Naval Systems unit based in Pune has been supplying decoy & torpedo launchers, large composite structures for defence applications to the Indian Navy etc. Mahindra Defence is also engaged in Defence Electronics and Avionics through a JV with Telephonics.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 13 Apr 2018 05:24

Philip wrote:Chins unwilling to acknowledge that gleat Chinese navy can't ploperly opelate airclaft from calliers what?
Seems possible,but it could've been done more discreetly by just sending a team which wouldn't be noticed.What about gleat Chin stearth airclaft supposed to also be callier capable?



And we should be happy about this, Filipov? We are paying the Russians so they can help the chinis with their carrier operations?

We paid for the development of the MiG-29K so the Russkis can sell it or its specs to the PLAN?

That gleat stealth aircraft of theirs also fly with the same Russian engines as the paki Blunder.

Nothing with this is good for us. The faster we junk the MiG and the Russians the better.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 13 Apr 2018 06:17

Yes, let's junk all Ru milware , denude ourselves of our key weapon systems and let the Chinese and Pakis walk all over us! Just imagine the replacement time for retiring aircraft like the MIG-21s for the IAF. Prod. rates of the LCA are dismal too.


For the record, all Pak's key mil eqpt. comes from the US.So why are we being armtwisted into buying obsolete US aircraft like F-16s which Pak has operated for fdecades? For the record, both China and Pak do not operate MIG-29s, they merely have a legacy engine , not the weapon system.We were also offered the Varyag first remember.Our planners could've picked it up for a song along with the rights of building more. We failed to see the Chinese ambitions even though it was very clear as China would pick up at scrap value carriers being sold for scrap to study their design first hand.

Most unfortunately, during the lost decade of the IN, when not a single new vessel was acquired barring a second-hand Leander frigate from the UK when we were building the improved G class, the land-locked mentality of the MOD and inability of the then IN top brass, failed to convince the GOI of the huge importance of the maritime sphere in India's security. China gave top priority to its naval expansion and is now realing the rewards.It is taking us 20 yrs. to build IAC-1 of 45,000t at Cochin.China in just 6 yrs. time has built a sister ship of the Varyag, will build at least 4 more large carriers, at least two to be N-powered.We must be thankful that we have the ex-Gorky, which was a real task to reconfigure, rebuild and renew its aviation complex for in retrospect a reasonable cost.A new 65K t CV would cost us as shown much earlier, around $10B.The 57 new naval fighters to operate from the yet-to-be approved CV will cost us another $8-10B at least.

The GOI should re-examine our carrier reqs., build for now another improved sister ship of the IAC-1 around 50K t, easily doable and with the money saved, acquire a large number of supersonic Backfires, equipped with LRCMs and BMos, plus the critically reqd. subs ,etc., which are sorely needed by the IN. .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Arun.prabhu » 13 Apr 2018 07:11

All valid points, but China does not have such a huge naval lead as we fear. Look at their neighbourhood. How much of their navy can they spare to send against ours? And which route would that fleet take? The deep sea route that they do not and cannot control or through the islands of SE Asia where they can be ambushed from any inhabited island with short range anti shipping missiles or submarines or mines? How would their oil supplies, raw materials, finished goods, etc be passing through the Indian Ocean when their navy is confronting us? How much must they use in escort duties and thus effectively attrite out of naval confrontations in said war? ? I would say that MOD Made a wrong strategic decision in letting the navy rot for a decade rather than malfeasant. And that happens in war or the preparations for it. Thing is, we have shorter lines of communication, supply and we’ll be operating close to our naval bases whereas their assets will be operating from naval bases in the ass end of nowhere wrt to their supply chain. Let the Chinese pride themselves on their string of pearls strategy. It is absolutely the worst damn idea in the history of naval warfare unless you’re America and absolutely control the world’s oceans.

When war comes, we can take down a couple of pearls at reasonable expense in lives and material and absolutely slit their jugular.

Philip wrote:Yes, let's junk all Ru milware , denude ourselves of our key weapon systems and let the Chinese and Pakis walk all over us! Just imagine the replacement time for retiring aircraft like the MIG-21s for the IAF. Prod. rates of the LCA are dismal too.


For the record, all Pak's key mil eqpt. comes from the US.So why are we being armtwisted into buying obsolete US aircraft like F-16s which Pak has operated for fdecades? For the record, both China and Pak do not operate MIG-29s, they merely have a legacy engine , not the weapon system.We were also offered the Varyag first remember.Our planners could've picked it up for a song along with the rights of building more. We failed to see the Chinese ambitions even though it was very clear as China would pick up at scrap value carriers being sold for scrap to study their design first hand.

Most unfortunately, during the lost decade of the IN, when not a single new vessel was acquired barring a second-hand Leander frigate from the UK when we were building the improved G class, the land-locked mentality of the MOD and inability of the then IN top brass, failed to convince the GOI of the huge importance of the maritime sphere in India's security. China gave top priority to its naval expansion and is now realing the rewards.It is taking us 20 yrs. to build IAC-1 of 45,000t at Cochin.China in just 6 yrs. time has built a sister ship of the Varyag, will build at least 4 more large carriers, at least two to be N-powered.We must be thankful that we have the ex-Gorky, which was a real task to reconfigure, rebuild and renew its aviation complex for in retrospect a reasonable cost.A new 65K t CV would cost us as shown much earlier, around $10B.The 57 new naval fighters to operate from the yet-to-be approved CV will cost us another $8-10B at least.

The GOI should re-examine our carrier reqs., build for now another improved sister ship of the IAC-1 around 50K t, easily doable and with the money saved, acquire a large number of supersonic Backfires, equipped with LRCMs and BMos, plus the critically reqd. subs ,etc., which are sorely needed by the IN. .

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby arun » 13 Apr 2018 15:31

Rolls Royce press release announcing agreement with Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) for transfer of technology related to localising of engine components, engine assembly, testing, painting and major overhauls of 16-cylinder and 20-cylinder MTU Series 8000 engines :

Rolls-Royce and Goa Shipyard Limited agree to manufacture MTU engines in India

Thursday, 12 April 2018

Goa Shipyard Limited will assemble MTU Series 8000 engines in India
Agreement covers assembly of 16- and 20-cylinder engines in new facility in Goa
Agreement is part of Rolls-Royce’s commitment to “Make in India”


Pune, India

Rolls-Royce and Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL), a premier defence shipbuilding yard in India under the Ministry of Defence, have agreed to cooperate in the local manufacturing of technologically-advanced MTU Series 8000 engines in India. Under the agreement, which was signed today at India’s leading defense trade show Defexpo, the companies will assemble the 16-cylinder and 20-cylinder MTU Series 8000 engines at GSL’s new facility in Goa. The MTU brand is a worldwide leader in large diesel and gas engines and complete propulsion systems and part of Rolls-Royce Power Systems.

The agreement includes transfer of MTU technology related to localising of engine components, engine assembly, testing, painting and major overhauls. MTU Series 8000 engines are the largest and most powerful MTU diesel engines with a power output of up to 10 MW. They are fitted onboard all Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) recently constructed or currently under construction in India. This includes eleven Coast Guard OPVs by GSL (six completed and five under construction), five Naval OPVs under construction at Reliance Defence Engineering and seven Coast Guard OPVs by L&T.

RAdm (Retd) Shekhar Mital, NM, Chairman & Managing Director of GSL said: “In line with the thrust on indigenization and ‘Make in India’ initiative of the MoD, Government of India, GSL has been on the forefront for increasing the indigenous content onboard vessels constructed at GSL. Since main diesel engines constitute the heart of a ship and are among the major high value imported equipment items onboard ships, the collaboration will aid to significantly increase the indigenous content onboard ships constructed in India. It will also provide a strategic edge to Indian Defence Sector as know-how and infrastructure for such niche technology will now be available with a PSU Shipyard, which can be gainfully utilised by the Indian Navy and Indian Coast Guard. For some time we have been on the lookout for acquiring such technology of marine propulsion engines and we are thankful to our partners Rolls-Royce and MTU Friedrichshafen for choosing us as collaborator. Under the agreement we will be catering for marine propulsion requirements within the country in the range of 7 to 10 MW. The new facility being created by GSL will also undertake all major overhauls of these engines.

This venture will be a game changer. Plans are in place to progressively increase the indigenous content and with a strong manufacturing base in India, we are confident of achieving significant indigenous content in these engines. Besides creating self-reliance for India, it will usher in new opportunities for the local industry for indigenisation. I’m sure that with favourable Government policies and thrust on indigenisation, this collaboration will be highly successful.”

Praveen Mohan, Director & CEO, MTU India, said: “The agreement with GSL to manufacture MTU’s most-advanced Series 8000 engines in India is a significant milestone and further reinforces our commitment to ‘Make in India.’ We have been working with the Indian defence sector for several decades and our well-proven MTU engines propel and power many vessels of both the Indian Coast Guard and Indian Navy. We are committed to collaborating with our stakeholders to help support the country’s vision of indigenisation and self-reliance.”

MTU Series 8000 engines are the top-selling propulsion engines in their power class for naval vessels. They are also proven in ferries and yachts and have altogether completed over one million operating hours. Series 8000 engines are available in the power range from 7 to 10 MW. They feature low overall operating costs, high power density and environmental compatibility. Common rail fuel injection combined with the electronic engine control system make it possible to achieve fuel consumption levels of less than 200 g/kWh and very low exhaust emissions. Series 8000 engines are certified as marine engines in accordance with all accepted classification standards worldwide. They were also awarded Naval Vessel Rules (NVR) certification by the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS) in 2014 and are subsequently the first advanced technology engines in this power class to meet the stringent requirements of this certification.

Rolls-Royce Press Release

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 16 Apr 2018 18:15

DefExpo 2018: Spare parts for Russian planes used by Navy likely to be made in India
CHENNAI: The spare parts for Russian planes used by the Indian Navy and the Indian Air Force and equipment onboard warships may be manufactured small and medium industries in the country as the armed forces are pushing for joint venture or agreement between Indian and Russian companies to make these components in India.

Indian tri-services officials, Indian firms and Russian firms had a few rounds of meetings at the India-Russia Military Industrial Conference at the DefExpo 2018 venue near here on Friday. Around 60 Indian component makers took part in the sessions.

Rear Admiral and Assistant Chief of Naval Staff V M Doss said the move to indigenise production of spare parts for the Russian planes being used by the Navy itself would lead to a saving of 400% to 2,000%. The Navy was looking to indigenise spare parts of MIG 29k planes which were inducted in 2009 and would be in service till 2037 to 2040, he added.The planes are based out of Goa, Visakhapatnam and aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. They will also be based at IAC 1 aircraft carrier that will be commissioned in the future.


He said that the Navy was looking at long-term supply and maintenance contracts for spare parts.There is also a plan to set up a facility for repair of 500 lines of components like avionics and others for the planes at Navy Aircraft Yard in Goa while engine repair and overhaul facility will be set up at HAL in Koraput.


The Navy is looking to indigenise series of components of fighter jets, including radar, hydraulic system, head up display, cooling turbine or air conditioning, flight data recorder, landing gear and main nose, fire warning system and airframe.Similarly, the Indian Air Force has identified 35 additional line for indigenisation under the ‘Make in India’ programme including spare parts for Mi helicopters.

The Indian Navy has a large number of Russian-made equipment, including hull, electrical systems, weapons and sensors. An official who made a presentation at the meeting said indigenisation was crucial because after sales service suffered from many issues including delays in sourcing spares.
Konstantin Svodin from the department of aviation industry, Russia, said: "We got the list of all platform for which after sales support were needed. Many joint venture agreements were signed during the DefExpo. We propose signing of inter-government agreement to do aftersales support for planes, helicopters, tanks and air defence systems and also provide a separate JV for making spare parts in India.”

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Lalmohan » 17 Apr 2018 17:04

china is actively looking at control/ownership of arctic routes as an alternative to the Malacca bottleneck
especially as the ice is a lot less prevalent these days. they are making commercial and 'scientific' moves in the region quite actively
of course, that way the US and Russians have a better stranglehold on them directly too...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 17 Apr 2018 18:27

Russia was first off the blocks.Interesting about China.Trying every which way to lessen dependence upon the ME.
However, did it not sign a massive deal worth $500B with Russia for O&G a few years ago? I thought that those supplies were to have been piped. Perhaps it is its merchant fleet shipping goods made in China worldwide.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 17 Apr 2018 20:49

Phillip, Do look for reports of In participation in Ex Gaganshakti 2018.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 18 Apr 2018 00:04

US-2: The deal seems to have taken the shape of offsets rather than assembly, which was a stupid idea given the low volumes required of this niche aircraft. MRO and some parts manufacturing, potentially for Japanese customer as well will be great.

MiG-29: IN should be pragmatic - setup those spare parts supply chain and buy another unit of MiG-29Ks + one more Vikrant class carrier. An IAF+IN order can be combined as well.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya G » 18 Apr 2018 00:14

Defexpo '18 seems to be a bit muted on Navy related news - surprising given its a Land and Naval systems exhibition.

A nice one are the official drawings of ASW-SWC;

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Observations:

1. Water Jet propulsion
2. Conventional layout. At 74m is 50% bigger than the WJ-FACs in length
3. 01 x IRL, presumably with under deck magazine and triple TTL amidships
4. 01 x 76mm cannon - surprising but good choice rather than a 30mm
5. Hull mounted sonar
6. Not visible in the schematics but will probably come with towed sonar.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prasad » 18 Apr 2018 09:00

Ushus-2 Submarine Sonar Suite model on display at DefExpo in Chennai.
https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 7980912640

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Apr 2018 23:30

Mahindra Defence and Aeronautics to offer Orbiter 4 for Indian Navy
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/m ... dian-navy/

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Apr 2018 23:32

UkrOboronProm offers to maintain Indian Navy’s new Kiev-class vessel
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/u ... ss-vessel/

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Apr 2018 23:33

Russia to upgrade Indian Navy’s Ka-28 helicopters
http://mil.today/2018/22972/

Holding Russian Helicopters will improve flight characteristics of Ka-28 helicopters operated by Indian Navy. The aircraft will be equipped with new radioelectronics, up-to-date navigation system and modernized communication facilities....

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Apr 2018 23:34

Naval Group, GSL partner on simulators for Indian Navy
http://www.janes.com/article/79248/nava ... ndian-navy

French shipbuilder Naval Group (formerly DCNS) has signed an agreement with state-owned Indian shipbuilder Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL) to expand collaboration on developing and building submarine simulators for the Indian Navy (IN).

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 18 Apr 2018 23:37

India to re-tender naval replenishment ship project
http://www.janes.com/article/79390/indi ... ip-project

The Indian Navy’s five-unit fleet support ship (FSS) project is set to be re-tendered globally after an expected collaboration agreement between India’s Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) and South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) fell through.


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