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The following article appeared several years before, but worth reading again and again
Late Admiral Ronald Lynsdale Pereira, PVSM, AVSM, ADC, ex ‘Chief Of Naval Staff’ (CNS) is an illuminating chapter in Indian Naval history. It has almost been twenty years since he passed away. However, his memory still lingers and helps stiffen the spine of men, some young and some old, even those not from the Navy. Ronnie’s memory makes them march with pride and affection, whistling ‘Auld Lang Syne’. So what is it that these men remember about Ronnie ‘The Man’, and his incredibly gracious wife Phyllis?

Ronnie was born as a chirpy, bouncy, very huggable baby at Kannur, at the northern tip of Kerala about fifteen years before World War-II. Like all zestful young boys, he grew up in rural India with simple and achievable ambitions, either to be a doctor like his father, or become a dentist. But somewhere during his teen years, the salt laden sea breeze in Kannur and the hype of World War-II instilled in him a wander lust, quest for adventure, a perception that soldiering was more interesting than doctoring. He was drawn to the Navy, like fish to water.

He was commissioned into the Royal Indian Navy on his 20th birthday (May 25, 1943), given command of a homemade, quickly fitted out, leaky wooden fishing trawler masquerading as a gun boat, with a dozen sailors as raw as Ronnie, and immediately sent to fight the might of the Japanese Navy in the ‘Bay Of Bengal’. And fight he did, all his life, with just about everyone except his wife Phyllis whom he married in 1952. He had two exceptionally strong character traitsintegrity and moral courage. He stood up for what he believed was the ‘right thing’ and never let anyone bulldoze him.

HE WAS COMMISSIONED INTO THE ROYAL INDIAN NAVY ON HIS 20th BIRTHDAY (MAY 25, 1943), GIVEN COMMAND OF A HOMEMADE, QUICKLY FITTED OUT, LEAKY WOODEN FISHING TRAWLER MASQUERADING AS A GUN BOAT, WITH A DOZEN SAILORS AS RAW AS RONNIE, AND IMMEDIATELY SENT TO FIGHT THE MIGHT OF THE JAPANESE NAVY IN THE ‘BAY OF BENGAL’.

Like most of us, he often made mistakes. However, unlike most of us, he made those mistakes his stepping stones; unlike most of us he tortured himself to learn from those mistakes. As he grew up through the ranks of the officer cadre, first in the Royal Indian Navy, and then our own Indian Navy, he acquired tenacity, fortitude, resilience, charisma, a towering stature, a booming laughter that immediately endeared his subordinates to him, portrayed his self confidence, his merriment and spirit of adventure. At the pinnacle of his Naval career, he was appointed CNS and called upon to command the growing Indian Navy. While he grew up, and as CNS, he did this and that, went hither and thither, sailed about the oceans and trawled about Naval HQ, but unlike most, he was always at ‘Full Ahead’ with a sense of purpose and with utmost dedication. As Anil Kumar (now veteran) remembers, Ronnie would often say, ‘it’s your prerogative to have a Navy, and mine to run it’. His unflinching on matters military and national security or those which affected the operational efficacy or morale of his men are legendary. He never ever asked anything for himself. He had only one thought, ‘what can I do for the country and the men whom I command’. He was from the rare breed. Wow,….. what a man.

In due course, he retired. He simply went home to a house called ‘At last’ in Bangalore, drove around on a ‘Lambretta’ scooter from which he often fell off, broke most of his bones, caught cancer and died on Oct 14, 1993 at the age of 70 without once changing his colours on integrity and moral courage. He was an extraordinary mortal, a sailor’s sailor, with a contagious sense of honour and love for soldiering. Apart from the multitude of Admirals, Generals and Air Marshals, junior service officers in uniform crowding his funeral service, there was also a large gathering of ordinary sailors and civilian officials who came to say farewell to an ‘officer and gentleman’ they’d loved like no other. As his body was being laid to rest, they recalled the way he often summed up the essence of leadership: ‘Love your men, but don’t spoil them. Kick them if you must. Above all, make them proud of themselves, their uniform, the country and you’. What more can I say about Ronnie, the incredible, unforgettable CNS ? Oh…….I can say a million more words with conviction and affection, but I have a brief to keep this short.

He was an extraordinary mortal, a sailor’s sailor, with a contagious sense of honour and love for soldiering. Apart from the multitude of Admirals, Generals and Air Marshals, junior service officers in uniform crowding his funeral service, there was also a large gathering of ordinary sailors and civilian officials who came to say farewell to an ‘officer and gentleman’ they’d loved like no other

Let me begin with what venerable Adm Arun Prakash, himself a later day venerable CNS, had to say of Ronnie. Prakash recalled, ‘In a world of slipping ethical standards, where our young people desperately seek role models, Ronnie stands out as an iconic figure of impeccable integrity for three generations of Indian naval officers. While we quaked in the knowledge that any hint of wrongdoing would invoke the admiral’s messianic wrath, the kindness and compassion that he and Phyllis Pereira so often showed, earned them the Navy’s lasting love and admiration’. Adm Prakash made two glaring omissions in his eulogy. Firstly Ronnie stands out as an iconic figure of impeccable integrity not only for the Indian Navy, but is folklore for the Army and Air Force too. Secondly he earned the lasting love and admiration of not just the Naval personnel, but an incredible number of others in and out of all sorts of uniforms.

Amongst the many who still love and worship him are Cadets(Cdts) of the National Defence Academy (NDA), where he was Dy Cmdt in early 70’s, where he kicked butts and turned a whole generation of juvenile delinquents to socially useful and upright gentlemen. The very generation who now form the top echelon of the Army, Navy and the Air Force. This is therefore an eulogy not from Naval history, ward room tales, or chewing the cud by old Naval crabs, but a eulogy by the old goats who went on to wear the drab Olive Greens, Khakis and Blues, even from the ones who never wore a uniform because of him, all of them illustrious men in their own right. This is a eulogy by the ones who were fortunate to have been within arms distance of Ronnie, even for a few seconds. He touched all our lives, kicked our butts, breathed wit and wisdom into our ears and gave us a steady course to steer during the turbulent weather and heavy seas of our youth.

Air Cmde (Retd) M.M. Ali says …….. ‘I was Dy Dir Gen NCC of Karnataka and Goa Dte in late 90’s when one day an old lady walked up four floors to my office’, the lift was not working. After catching her breath she introduced herself. ‘I am Phyllis Pereira, the wife of late Adm Pereira’. I jumped out of my chair and stood to attention. ‘It is a pleasure to see you Mam’, I said with genuine warmth. ‘I came to thank you’, she said. ‘You see, I was crossing the road when a scooter knocked me down and three NCC girls in uniform who were returning from the parade helped me get up and cleaned me with the drinking water from their water bottles. They helped me cross the road. I have come to thank you for teaching the children the right values. I thanked the girls but forgot to ask their names’, she said with guilt, accompanied by an irresistible endearing smile. What should one say to a woman like that, except ‘Wow, Wow’. If she was like that, what would the husband & wife team have been like? Any guesses?

Ronnie’s rapport with the young men made him the ideal choice as Dy Cmdt of the NDA in 1971. He ran the place like one of his ships, seemingly everywhere, exhorting the cadets to play fiercely, study hard and march smartly. Nothing escaped his attention. ‘It wasn’t unusual for bleary-eyed cadets to stumble into the tea-room at dawn to see their Dy Cmdt tasting the dog biscuits or tea’, says Col (Rtd) Kelly Vishwanathan. So harddriving was he, weary cadets often joked, that if he barked ‘Quick March’ to the ‘Ashoka Pillar,’ it would start marching. Because Ronnie and Phyllis never had any children, they came to love every young man they met in NDA, especially the mavericks who were sent to him for displeasure. Ronnie addressed them as ‘Son’, a tradition that came to be in all services. Ten whole courses in NDA vied with each other to be called their ‘Son’, it was an honour for the Cdts. Although being at the NDA meant that Ronnie, to his great disappointment, had to sit out the 1971 war, his tenure there is still remembered by all his cadets, now senior service officers, as if NDA was Ronnie’s personal ‘Longewala’, a war zone. ‘He had a very clear vision of what an officer and gentleman ought to be’, says GS Malhi, now an accomplished veteran. ‘Above all, he wanted us to be mentally agile and morally upright, like himself’.

“I learnt so much from him,” recalls veteran SPS Bhalla, who was closest to Phyllis and Ronnie, almost an adopted son. ‘He advised me on all kinds of things, from the importance of treating my wife as an equal partner to the need to accept personal responsibility’. Once afterwards, when Bhalla boasted about what a good golfer he had become, Ronnie a keen golfer himself chided him rather dryly. ‘Please remember that your handicap does not figure in your confidential report, work well, as much as you play well’. His advice was significant, especially because Golf and the card game ‘Bridge’, and not work, was usually the route to career advancement even in those days.

One of the most undisciplined cadets during Ronnie’s time in NDA was Anil Mago, now veteran, who had already spent 9 terms instead of the usual 6. There was this time when Cdt Mago was relaxing in his Juliet Sqn cabin in a towel, while the rest of the academy was in class, when the indomitable Ronnie decided to make a surprise round of JSqn. If ‘caught’ Cdt Mago would have been thrown out of NDA for sure. Some smart thinking, and in a jiffy, Mago was in the clothes of Cdt Orderly Prabhu Dayal, sitting in the corridor outside his cabin with a ‘Gandhi’ cap, polishing drill boots. Prabhu Dayal in his underpants and vest was sent to hide in the toilet. Ronne was not fooled while he walked past briskly. ‘Good thinking Cdt Mago’, Ronnie barked. ‘I like people with imagination and quick reaction’, Ronnie swept past without stopping. He knew each of the 1500 odd cadets by face, by name and their antecedents and could not be fooled. Soon Mago was in trouble again and was marched up to Ronnie, then officiating as Cmdt. Mago was destined for relegation. Ronnie knew that if Mago was relegated again, he would be thrown out of NDA. As he was marched in, Ronnie roared. ‘Hold it right there Son. Your one foot is in my office and the other on a banana peel outside. Beware and evaporate’, he commanded. Mago did a smart about turn and ran for his life. He never, ever, slipped on a banana peel again and went on to become a very successful and decorated Artillery officer, just as Ronnie knew with clairvoyance. Ronnie was an incredibly sane and kind man and not at all officious or a mindless disciplinarian when special occasions called for it.

Air Vice Mshl M Bahadur recollects that when the local theatre in Poona would not lend prints of the movies ‘Patton’ and ‘Tora Tora’, for local screening in NDA auditorium, Ronnie took the whole NDA, about 1500 Cdts, to Poona simultaneously, in proper military fashion, in cycle squads like marching columns on Raj Path, supervised by Divisional Officers on scooters and motor cycles with a cycle repair truck, ambulance and a doctor in tow. Ronnie himself went from intersection to intersection, directing the traffic. There were ‘Nimbu Pani’ and sandwich stalls all along the way, an incredible feat of military logistic support planned and executed by him. ‘If Mohammed would not come to Mountain, I have brought the Mountain to Mohammad’, Ronnie commanded the owner of the theatre. ‘You are going to show us the movies free of cost. After all, these boys have to go and fight a war to help keep our enemy at bay’. Bahadur says that when Patton came on the screen, he perceived him as Ronnie.

Otherwise, Ronnie was quick to distribute very exhaustive physical punishments (‘Restrictions’ and his favourite ‘Singarh Hikes’), instantly demote cadet appointments, all of it with advice that juvenile delinquents never forgot. It helped pupa to turn to butterfly. He once caught a Cdt appointment punishing junior cadets wearing a dressing gown. He gave him a dressing down and de-tabbed him on the spot. ’Always be in uniform when you have to punish someone’, Ronnie counselled him. ‘Uniform gives you the authority, without it you are no body’. Ronnie was everywhere, ‘Omni Present’, ‘Omni Potent’, on horseback, on cycle, and sometimes hiding behind bushes, far before the cadets awoke and far beyond the time when they slept. He was always in his smart white uniform. To the last man, all Cdts of that generation remember him and eulogize him as a kind and generous man, a father to love and to cherish, though he was their nemesis.

‘Wow, Ronnie Pereira, I remember him very fondly’, says Anjit Bose (now an AF veteran) who was one of the worst of the juvenile delinquents converted to honourable citizen by Ronnie by stick and carrot. ‘Ronnie was a guy I would follow to the end of the earth. He nicknamed me ‘Goonda Bose’ in my second term in NDA after watching me fight in Novices Boxing. Well he was a smoker, and I was a smoker, looks like I got caught every time I took a puff, and as per Ronnie I was not old enough to have his privileges, so he kicked my butt and I loved it’.

Another veteran Rajan Phadke recalls, ‘Ronnie came by E-Sqn on a cycle one evening and caught me smoking. He asked me to keep reporting to him in different NDA dress, every hour and all night. At 8 in the morning I reported to his house in ‘Mufti’. When I reached his ‘Peacock Bay’ residence Phyllis was tending to the lawn. ‘Were you the one who was ringing the calling-bell all night?’ she asked kindly. ‘You must be hungry’, she said and offered me a sumptuous breakfast. ‘Ma, I was caught smoking’, I confessed to her without guile, and pointed at the 555 State Express cigarette packet lying on the table. She laughed aloud, like bells pealing. Ronnie came out to the lawn, and promptly lit a cigarette. ‘You are too young to smoke, wait till you are a few years older’, she counselled. ‘I know you are always on punishment’, Ronnie commented, ‘When you last went to Poona on Liberty?’, he asked with concern. ‘I don’t remember Sir’, I stammered. ‘It has been a year or two since I was let out of prison’, I told him with a quarter guard smile. Ronnie stared at me silently for a while. Afterwards he sent me on parole, ‘Liberty’ to Poona, in his own staff car, since I had already missed the 0930 bus. He even gave me pocket money to see a movie. I did not know whether to laugh or to cry, but that was the last time I broke the law.

Ronnie taught Johnson Chako and Nagendra Malik (both veterans now) to swim, simply by making them jump off the 10 mtr board and not allowing them to grab the sides of the pool. Ronnie in full Naval regalia walked along the sides of the pool, kept egging them on. ‘Kick your legs, stroke your arms, keep going’ he kept roaring like a lion. And when they did finally reach the other end of the pool, he declared them ‘Swimmers’ and gave them a pat on the back, equivalent to winning a ‘Param Vir Chakra’, they were just 17 years old.

Phyllis Bedell Pereira, now close to 90, has dementia and Parkinson and no relatives left except a grand nephew of Ronnie. She is cared for in an austere old age home in Bangalore run by the Catholic Sisters of Charity with no ostentation. Phyllis is in incredibly good health, but remains confined to bed. Quite possibly because without Ronnie for steerage, she has nowhere to go, she is probably like a boat that has beached. However, if she sees a man in uniform, she gets up immediately and says ‘He is my Son’. She starts beaming. She is sad when he leaves.

I can go on and on……., the tales from those who now sit at the top floors of Service HQs as well as subordinate formations, heads of corporate houses, entrepreneurs, retired veterans, all of them stalwarts in every walk of life. But I will simply and humbly say, ‘Ronnie Sir, we love and cherish your memory. Even in death you are closer to us than the distances that you have chosen to go. You shall live on, till the last of us who love you, and owe you, fall in our own mortality’. God bless you ‘Ronnie Sir’ and Phyllis ‘Mom’.

The author Wg Cdr Unni Kartha VSM (Retd) is an erstwhile test pilot and normally writes with the pseudonym “Cyclic”
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https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/8 ... 6307815428

Navy statement on successful launch of Kh-35 anti-ship missile for the first time from an upgraded Russian Il-38 platform:

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Not necessarily Sarkar ji: we can de-couple sensor & shooter with an ASROC like weapon. Sensor can be a helicopter or sonobuoy or SOSUS-type array. The sensor may not have the payload capacity to carry lots of torpedoes. If the location is cued to the nearest ship, the latter can launch a salvo of ASROCs
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Indian Navy's Largest-Ever Exercise vs 'Enemy Submarines' (Read China)
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/off-goa- ... vy-1657264
Elsewhere, at the same time, MiG-29K fighters blasted off the deck of the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya to engage Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30 jets launched from the Lohegaon airbase in Pune. The Sukhois represented "enemy" aircraft which the MiGs had to "intercept" before they could get into a position to "launch" anti-ship missiles targeting the Indian fleet.
Indian Navy downplays concerns of international naval exercise by Pak
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 060243.cms
A day after the IL 38 Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft (LRMRA) carried out a successful Anti Ship Missile firing on a target ship in the Arabian Sea, Lanba said, all the LRMRAs with the Indian Navy will now have the ability to take on any ship.
Indian Navy practices sinking Chinese subs in largest-ever military exercise
http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/indian-n ... -exercise/
The exercise involves practicing various anti-submarine warfare scenarios with Indian diesel-electric attack submarines standing in for People’s Liberation Army Navy and Pakistan Navy submarines. According to local media reports, the INS Chakra, a Russian-made Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, has been hunting “enemy” submarines 200 kilometers off Goa’s coast for the past few days.
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Rakesh wrote: Indian Navy practices sinking Chinese subs in largest-ever military exercise
http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/indian-n ... -exercise/
The exercise involves practicing various anti-submarine warfare scenarios with Indian diesel-electric attack submarines standing in for People’s Liberation Army Navy and Pakistan Navy submarines. According to local media reports, the INS Chakra, a Russian-made Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, has been hunting “enemy” submarines 200 kilometers off Goa’s coast for the past few days.
Not only practicing offensive capabilities, but openly stating so is interesting change of pace.
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Assuming the above is the Arihant, it seems to be heavier and the waterline is high on the sub compared to the last time we saw it in a similar scene (below). Could it be that the mijjiles have been loaded for K4 testing?
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I am unable to determine from my naked eye if the waterline is higher, but not sure if 4 BMs will cause a visible change to a sub's waterline mark.
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Comparison using Google Earth's time lapse feature using identical coordinates and perspective

October 2015:
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November 2015:
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November 2016:
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Karthik S wrote:I am unable to determine from my naked eye if the waterline is higher, but not sure if 4 BMs will cause a visible change to a sub's waterline mark.
You're probably right. 17t x 4 = 68t. Arihant's displacement when surfaced is apparently 6000t.

I'll assume you are right. Does it even look like the same submarine? I'm not sure. Is the newer image of a different, shorter submarine?
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Thanks chetak very much for sharing the article about admiral Ronald Pereira
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Karthik S wrote:I am unable to determine from my naked eye if the waterline is higher, but not sure if 4 BMs will cause a visible change to a sub's waterline mark.
You're probably right. 17t x 4 = 68t. Arihant's displacement when surfaced is apparently 6000t.

I'll assume you are right. Does it even look like the same submarine? I'm not sure. Is the newer image of a different, shorter submarine?
Difficult to determine unless we have a scale ratio. But we know Aridhaman should be ready by now for trials, so could be it.
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Is that a second sub behind the first one under cover? It seems like its peeking out from the top cover almost to the top left of the image.
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The Chakra is well poised to snoop on the planned Paki multi-national naval exercise in the Arabian Sea.I am sure that sev. of the IN's UW and LRMP assets too will be used to watch the show.
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Could not find the thread on carriers.

Here is some news on Vishal: 90 mt EMALS is what the SAAB team is expecting ("We know that the ........")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdX2XbXUyoQ&t=955






IF that is true, then the IN is getting the F-18. Combine that with the news on 4 Hawkeyes (in the India-US thread).
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Sea Gripen is just about as mature (design) as the Sea Viper, Sea Typhoon, Sea Eagle.
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^ saar can you please provide more details on sea viper concept. Recent IN. Carrier prop photu DoD show vipers lined up on deck. :D

I prefer solah over gripen...far more potential imho
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You do realise he was being sarcastic? There will never be a navalized version of the Viper.
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Periscope: Give Indian Navy its due
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion/ ... s-due.html
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Video - Indian Navy celebrates 50 Years of Submarines with special rendition by Shankar, Ehsaan and Loy
http://www.newsnation.in/india-news/vid ... 61015.html

Navy ropes in music composer trio Shankar-Ehsan-Loy for submariner's theme song
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 69597.html
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Rakesh wrote:You do realise he was being sarcastic? There will never be a navalized version of the Viper.
Yes, yes i got the sarcasm, but was just curious about a naval viper. In any case, how different is the gripen navy version....all paper tigers.
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Cain Marko wrote:
Rakesh wrote:You do realise he was being sarcastic? There will never be a navalized version of the Viper.
Yes, yes i got the sarcasm, but was just curious about a naval viper. In any case, how different is the gripen navy version....all paper tigers.
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On that TROPEX video (excellent visuals, btw), I noticed all the officers had their blood group attached to their uniforms on the chest. Hadn't noticed that earlier - is that a new practice, or is it SOP during operations/exercises? What about the other services?
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In bhawk down the delta force unit was shown writing it with marker pen on sock
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arshyam wrote:On that TROPEX video (excellent visuals, btw), I noticed all the officers had their blood group attached to their uniforms on the chest. Hadn't noticed that earlier - is that a new practice, or is it SOP during operations/exercises? What about the other services?
I have seen it on overall's of all the forces!! Will try and get a picture of it from AI.. But that has been standard practice for some time now, iirc..
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I am amazed that no one in MoD or even in the IN realizes that all this off the hook PPT presentations of how my fighter X can be modified to operate from INS Vikrant is just bullshit. Only thing that can operate from 40k STOBAR carrier (Vikrant) today is either a Mig-29K or F-35B.

IN's number 10 uniforms have always had a placeholder for blood group on the white strip above the pocket.

--Added later; there was news chirp around IN being pushed to evaluate Rafale M in name of commonality with IAF's MRCA. What's the latest there ? One could argue that Rafale M's could operate from Vikrant ; however catch is Charles de Gaulle which is in the same weight class as Vikrant uses a highly customized steam catapult and arrestor system (dervied from the one deployed on Nimitz class).
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I laugh when SAAB says gripen can be made catobar and stobar ready with minor structural changes.

Every design bureau which has actually carried out a conversion has remarked that the resultant fighter is almost like a new development. IN's own experience says so. But if we want to believe slideware, then ...
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Austin wrote:https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/8 ... 6307815428

Navy statement on successful launch of Kh-35 anti-ship missile for the first time from an upgraded Russian Il-38 platform:
Air launched brahmos? ?? .. terrific then ..can take out a carrier in one go !
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^ na kh35 saw a picture on other site.

But lungi dance moment with ATV pictures aridhaman is in action, I have a feeling next launch would be from her tubes
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Indian Navy thread?

Govt orders construction of 240km of railways on India's Unsinkable Aircraft Carriers
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=250399
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INS Sarvekshak goes green; instals solar power system
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 110554.cms

Survey ship INS Sarvekshak installs solar panels on Helo Hangar
https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/8 ... 9042786308
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Reach new heights: Naval engines and marine propulsion system
http://www.cassindia.com/inner_page.php ... k=military
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INS Khanderi: India’s Second Kalvari-Class Scorpene Submarine
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... submarine/
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Indian Navy Fleet Strength as of today;
02 Aircraft Carrier*
11 Destroyers
14 Frigates
18 Corvette (Missile)
05 Corvette (ASW)
10 OPV
24 FACs (including Super Dvora)

102 Interceptors

06 Minesweepers

16 Submarines**
05 Mini Submarines - unconfirmed if still operational

01 LPD
08 LST
04 LCU
04 LCM

04 Replenishment Tankers

01 Training Ship
04 Training Ship (Sail)

01 Diving Support Vessel
01 Marine Accoustic Research Ship
09 Survey Ship

* INS Viraat to shortly be retired officially
** Incl. one Kilo with accident
That's 146 major ships excluding the interceptors, viraat and kilo

Comments and corrections welcome
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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I always thought the Naval Variant of Tejas was not a good idea to start with , Single Engine , Over Weight , lacking in Weapons and Persistance due to less fuel carried. They can be carried as experimental program to support further development to gain experience but not an operational fighter

Considering we dont operate dozen of CBG and the best hope we have till 2030 would be 2 Air Craft Carrier fleet which would not carry more than 50-60 aircraft to its full capacity and perhaps at any point in time only one will be operational so make that 30-35 and the other will be in maintenance, We cant afford to have suboptimum solution. The current CBG needs atleast twin engine Rafale class fighter in weight and category considering the threat environment we are in.
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What was the projected timeline for NLCA with new engine?
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India really needs to explore joint defense development & production with these Indo br0thers.

There's nothing like Indo-Indo cooperation.

Especially with Yew Noe Hoo trying to slip a noose around the whole region.

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Some photos by me & friends on TROPEX 2017 After Party https://flic.kr/s/aHskP2kBMZ

And some Ka-31 photos taken earlier https://flic.kr/s/aHskNTtMK7
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