No. Vickers factory in Kandivali, a suburb in Mumbai did support British equipmentramana wrote:Anyone know if OFB was making 4.5" guns for ships?
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No. Vickers factory in Kandivali, a suburb in Mumbai did support British equipmentramana wrote:Anyone know if OFB was making 4.5" guns for ships?
An Indian Navy (IN) Heron medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) crashed soon after taking off from Porbandar on India’s west coast on 22 March.
The IN said in a statement that the Israeli-built UAV was on a routine surveillance flight when it crashed, adding that no injuries or loss of life were suffered.
An official inquiry has been launched to determine the cause of the crash.
The eco-banshees will descend on youSingha wrote:we should take a leaf from chinese book and develop huge naval and air bases in the nicobar chain but leave existing islands mostly untouched.
instead just dump rocks and sand and make 20 feet high flat islands for docks and air bases and supply depots, off the real islands.
burrow deftly into some andaman islands to make naval caves with minimal surface footprint!
nicobar being coral atolls vs volcanic islands of andaman, will be shallow sea and easy to build up. infact the area between andamans and thai coast is also shallow.
Cosmo Ji,Cosmo_R wrote: The eco-banshees will descend on you
The A&N islands need to be developed as a major base with the capability to berth major naval assets including aircraft carriers along with army and airforce detachments to defend the same and conduct strike ops. I bet the A&N chain being in Indian hands is something the Chinese are cursingGagan wrote:There is expansion of runways happening now in the A&N islands. The plan is to have a 3+Km runway station long range Maritime partol aircraft there, along with MKI type planes.
MKIs are already on rotating deployment to Car Nicobar.
Port Blair has little space, but there is need for larger capital ships to be berthed there, including 65,000 Ton Carriers. Currently they anchor outside the inner harbour.
I am ready to commit singha to a gulag right there should he think more about this!! I am watching you both!Cosmo_R wrote:The eco-banshees will descend on youSingha wrote:we should take a leaf from chinese book and develop huge naval and air bases in the nicobar chain but leave existing islands mostly untouched.
instead just dump rocks and sand and make 20 feet high flat islands for docks and air bases and supply depots, off the real islands.
burrow deftly into some andaman islands to make naval caves with minimal surface footprint!
nicobar being coral atolls vs volcanic islands of andaman, will be shallow sea and easy to build up. infact the area between andamans and thai coast is also shallow.
Bala-ji, in the late 1950s, JLN talked about the border with China as "not even a blade of grass grows there." During the NDA period, Jayanti Natrajan and Rahul Gandhi spiked BRO plans. The Chinese had no such qualms.Bala Vignesh wrote:Cosmo Ji,Cosmo_R wrote: The eco-banshees will descend on you
In this day and age, the above statement is absurd, I feel. We are facing major environmental challenges, apart from politico-economic ones from all the savagery we have done on earth and humanity is paying the price for it too.
It is incumbent on us to balance both the requirement to preserve the delicate balance of the ecosystem and our requirements for national security. In any case no more in this from me. Sorry about the OT.
Sorry to digress. I am no fan of JLN actions but I have been unable to find this quote - like Djinnah's speech about seckoolarijm in Pakistan. Anyone have a ref? Or is it an "urban legend"?Cosmo_R wrote: Bala-ji, in the late 1950s, JLN talked about the border with China as "not even a blade of grass grows there."
Not sure exactly what kind of reference you are looking for. There are numerous references that say such a statement was made in parliament debate in 1960's. You will need to look at parliament records for official reference. If you just need a credible reference, here is one by Kiren Rijiju, MoS HM.shiv wrote:Sorry to digress. I am no fan of JLN actions but I have been unable to find this quote - like Djinnah's speech about seckoolarijm in Pakistan. Anyone have a ref? Or is it an "urban legend"?Cosmo_R wrote: Bala-ji, in the late 1950s, JLN talked about the border with China as "not even a blade of grass grows there."
Per wiki, the official reference is as below, but need to be confirmed.Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju on Sunday said former prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru's words in Parliament on the Chinese aggression in Ladakh and Arunachal had really pinched our hearts, and had demoralised our forces and the local people. "Participating in a debate in Parliament over the Chinese aggression, the then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru had said: "In those barren land and mountains of Ladakh and Arunachal, not even a blade of grass grows, why Parliament is wasting time," said Rijiju, adding that it is a reality that China took over the entire western part of Arunachal Pradesh, which was a part of Assam in 1962. The Chinese had reached Assam in the foothills of Arunachal Pradesh, and the then prime minister Nehru had stated, "'...my heart goes out to people of Assam', which amounted to surrendering of our territories to the Chinese," said Rijiju.
On 5 December 1961, a year before the Sino-Indian war, Tyagi famously criticised Nehru's statement in the Indian Parliament. Nehru had commented : “But, nevertheless, the fact remains that this area is a most extraordinary area in the world so far as terrain is concerned. At that rate, no tree grows anywhere in this wide area -- there may be some shrubs.”. Tyagi retorted, pointing to his own bald head: "No hair grows on my head. Does it mean that the head has no value?". [Discussion, 5 December 1961, Lok Sabha Debates, Vol. LX, 2-8 December 1961, cited in Selected Works of Jawaharlal Nehru, (Second Series), Volume 73, p. 571]
Myanmar Navy To Test Indian Waters In A Joint Naval Exercise With India
ON MARCH 26, 2018
By:India Today
Battleships from Myanmar have arrived at Vishakhapatnam to take part in India and Myanmar Navy Exercise 2018 (IMNEX-18). The exercise is being held off the eastern coast of India.
The exercise will be carried out in two phases namely the harbour phase (25th-30th March) and the sea phase (31st March-3rd April)
UMS King Sin Phyu Shin (Frigate) and UMS Inlay (Off-shore patrol vessel) are the two Myanmarese navy battleships that are taking part in the joint exercise.
The exercise is aimed at strengthening professional interaction between the two navies, both in harbour and at sea. This will kick-start the process of attaining interoperability between the two navies. The Myanmar navy had also participated in the recently concluded MILAN-18 maritime exercise at Port Blair.
The Indian Navy would be represented by INS Sahyadri (Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Stealth Frigate), INS Kamorta (ASW stealth Corvette), a Chetak helicopter, two Hawk advanced jet trainer aircrafts and a submarine.
Many thanks for the pointers. I will search for exact quotes and datessivab wrote: Not sure exactly what kind of reference you are looking for. There are numerous references that say such a statement was made in parliament debate in 1960's. You will need to look at parliament records for official reference. If you just need a credible reference, here is one by Kiren Rijiju, MoS HM.
and our new minesweepers are still not close to be being signed despite being on the radar er sonar since kargil times?arun wrote:Three Pondicherry Class / Natya 1 Class Minesweepers, INS Konkan, INS Cannanore and INS Cuddalore decommissioned.
PTI via Economic Times:
Navy decommissions 3 minesweepers
Shiv ji, If this is of any help...shiv wrote:Many thanks for the pointers. I will search for exact quotes and datessivab wrote: Not sure exactly what kind of reference you are looking for. There are numerous references that say such a statement was made in parliament debate in 1960's. You will need to look at parliament records for official reference. If you just need a credible reference, here is one by Kiren Rijiju, MoS HM.
If you find any please do share, i have not found any either. Seems a typical case of out of context quoting to suit specific agenda.shiv wrote:Many thanks for the pointers. I will search for exact quotes and datessivab wrote: Not sure exactly what kind of reference you are looking for. There are numerous references that say such a statement was made in parliament debate in 1960's. You will need to look at parliament records for official reference. If you just need a credible reference, here is one by Kiren Rijiju, MoS HM.
Katare ji, I have given the link to that reference, in my previous post..Katare wrote:If you find any please do share, i have not found any either. Seems a typical case of out of context quoting to suit specific agenda.shiv wrote: Many thanks for the pointers. I will search for exact quotes and dates
Ruski ones generally get used for target practice and sunk as there are no takers for the inferior metal, the older brit ones and maybe the Indian made ones too (not very sure) get auctioned off for their metal value and generally get turned into razor blades.srin wrote:What happens when ships get decommissioned ? Esp smaller ships like the minesweepers. Are they going to get scrapped or used for sailor training ?
India will focus on portable and tethered MCM systems to meet interim requirements after decommissioning three minesweepers
Service is not expected to receive new MCMVs for at least three more years
After retiring all but one of its Pondicherry (Natya I)-class minesweepers, the Indian Navy is now focusing on interim minesweeping and portable sonar systems as an interim measure while awaiting the acquisition of new mine countermeasure vessels (MCMVs), service officials have told Jane’s .
The Indian Navy decommissioned three Pondicherry-class MCMVs on 23 March. The 61 m vessels, INS Cuddalore , INS Cannanore , and INS Konkan , were retired after about three decades of service. INS Kozhikode (M 71) is now India’s sole MCM ship that is still in service, and it is currently deployed with the navy’s 21st MCM squadron.
Among portable systems currently employed include 12 units of the EdgeTech-supplied Littoral Mine Countermeasures Sonars (LMCS). The systems are now being deployed from a number of different platforms, including the service’s fleet of Car Nicobar-class fast attack craft.
In addition, the Indian Navy has also issued a request for information (RFI) for at least eight units of expendable underwater mine disposal systems. Being sought is a portable and expandable remotely operated vehicle (ROV)-based system that can detect and neutralise mines in harbours and sea approaches.
Not sure about specific ships, but some have been used for Brahmos missile testingsrin wrote:What happens when ships get decommissioned ? Esp smaller ships like the minesweepers. Are they going to get scrapped or used for sailor training ?
Thanks.Kartik wrote:IN turns towards portable systems for interim MCM requirements
India will focus on portable and tethered MCM systems to meet interim requirements after decommissioning three minesweepers
Service is not expected to receive new MCMVs for at least three more years
……………. Among portable systems currently employed include 12 units of the EdgeTech-supplied Littoral Mine Countermeasures Sonars (LMCS). The systems are now being deployed from a number of different platforms, including the service’s fleet of Car Nicobar-class fast attack craft. ……………..
EdgeTech Announces the Delivery of 12 LMCS Minehunting Systems to the Indian Navy
July 1, 2013
EdgeTech, the world’s leading provider of commercial and military side scan sonar systems, has just completed delivery of 12 advanced sonar systems for the Indian Navy. EdgeTech was awarded the contract after a performance trial with a competing side scan sonar manufacturer; the LMCS System was selected based on its superior performance and meeting or exceeding all the trial requirements of the Indian Navy. The company supplied their Littoral Mine Countermeasure Sonar (LMCS) System employing dual detection and classification capabilities configured to work with SeeByte’s SeeTrack Automated Target Recognition (ATR) software. These systems are the designated upgrade to the Indian Navy’s Pondicherry Class Minesweepers as well as for use on other non-MCM vessels for minehunting.
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John wrote:Sure.Katare wrote:John, can you please do a comparison of Shivaliks and Talwars. Strengths, weaknesses, pro and cons ?
Design: Shivalik. While both vessels incorporate radar cross section reduction. Shivalik incorporates far more of these features and super structure is fully enclosed and weapon systems like torpedo tubes are tucked away inside the structure. Talwar in other hand doesn't even have enclosed mast which makes the mast rather cluttered and should give much higher radar cross section. Also Shivalik incorporates great deal of IR and noise reduction.
Hanger: Shivalik. Shivalik can operate 2 medium helos or one large helicopter, where as Talwar's landing pad and hanger are quite limited in space.
Propulsion: Shivalik. CODOG is superior to COGAG (Talwar) in terms of ASW operations (lower noise) and range when operating on just Pielstick.
Radar suite: Shivalik. The EL\M-2238 is superior to Fregat where as former is phased array radar the latter is planar array radar with design dating back to cold war. While 2238 serves as secondary radar it can potentially replace Fregat and be used as primary radar and used to guide Barak-8 SAM.
Weapon Suite: Shivalik. Both vessels are fairly comparable but Shivalik has the advantage with its twin Rbu-6000 weapon system where as Talwar only single Rbu-6000. Both vessels can be fitted with Kashtan or two Ak-630 + Barak-1 combination. Russians seem to have already fitted Ak-630 on later Grigorovich vessels so i suspect IN will not get Kashtan-M but rather Ak-630 and will fit Barak-1 or SR-SAM during refit.
Main Gun: Toss up. Oto 76 mm is license built locally and is proven weapon system with ability to fire DART and Vulcano rounds. But A-190 is 100 mm at a rate of fire of 80 rate of fire. While on paper A190 looks to be superior, Oto is far easier to maintain and offers more versatility.
EW/ECM/Sonar: Even, Any locally built talwar is likely to get domestic suite similar to what is fitted on P-15A/B/Shivalik.
Cost: Talwar? This deserve question mark since the deal is currently 750 million (another 30 million for turbines?) each where as Shivalik cost around 500-600 million in 2010, i suspect if Shivalik are built now will cost around 800-850 million.
Also current cost figures for Talwar doesn't include any potential cost overruns which are likely to happen while Talwar are built in GSL.
It was supposed to have provisions for light torpedo launcher no word on whether that was ever fitted after commissioning. Not sure why lack of torpedo tubes will make it a DDG, considering Delhi and Kolkata both also have two twin 533mm torpedo tubes.Aditya G wrote:When commissioned Shivaliks did not have HWT. I dont know if that has been added now.
This missing armament makes Shivalik a destroyer rather than a frigate imho
We better plumb the f-ing Russians on PLAN operations to make up for the MiG-29K intel.chola wrote:According to posts on the Paki site:
the 100th and 279th separate naval fighter aircraft regiments of the Northern Fleet aviation of the Russian Navy, whose flights from the deck became impossible due to the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" being in the repair
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In view of this, the Russian side appealed to the Ministry of Defense of the PRC with a request to conduct "training" tours of Russian ship pilots on the almost identical Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning for the time of repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov ".
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Chinese side has responded positively to this request and now detailed negotiations are underway, for which a group of Russian military specialists arrived in China at the beginning of the year. The agreement will be concluded on a commercial basis with the participation of Rosoboronexport. Presumably, Russian pilots will arrive in China in groups of four or six pilots on their planes (Su-33 and MiG-29KR / CUBR) and make a number of take-offs and landings on them on the deck of "Liaoning". The article notes that for both sides this will also be a good way of getting familiarized with the procedures and peculiarities of the actions of ship aviation - even though the Chinese naval aviation "arose from the same nest."