Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 11 Feb 2018 22:22

Really? Don't IAF and IN bases all have automated weather monitoring with thunderstorm and lightning warnings?

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Postby John » 11 Feb 2018 22:29

Cain Marko wrote:
John wrote:They are separated by one year you don’t think in a one year they installed Mf Star covering in the mast.

:oops: missed the obvious...

No worries with the slow pace of construction is easy to mistake the pics. As much as I love blame Russians for delay I doubt turbine supply issues are holding up vessel from being fitted. This seems to be trend our suppliers are not properly managed causing delays in fitting.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 12 Feb 2018 13:19

Posted earlier.

Britain has a massive $21B "black hole" in its defence budget and cannot afford to operate mano of its ships and subs.A brand new SSN under const. may be scrapped ! Two amphib vessels too will be retired.I suggested earlier that we should make an offer for one of its beand new QE class CVs of 65K t,the fastest way to acquire our third (large) CV of same tonnage. This CV comes with a ski-jump and can therefore operate the F-35B JSF which may be available to us from the US, or otherwise with some mods,create an angled deck and operate a variety of naval aircraft which are STOBAR operable.

Forget about the SSN,their new SSNs are proving rather unreliable,but the two amphibs could also be picked up for a song.f there is creative thinkingin the MOD...perhaps it is too much to wish for.Previously,the GOI was very alert and picked up the Hermes/Viraat for a song as well as the original Vikrant,heroine of the "71 war! We've always been lucky with ex-RN carriers,why not consider this seriously? CNS,are you listening?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... black-hole
UK’s new super nuke sub could be SCRAPPED as Government tries to fill budget BLACK HOLE
A TOP-LEVEL nuclear submarine may be scrapped or delayed if the Ministry of Defence (MoD) drastically tries to plug a massive £21 billion budget black hole.

By Anders Anglesey / Published 11th February 2018
The stunning revelation comes as a Royal Navy document showed plans that the Astute class sub could be pushed back, or even “cancelled”.

If the MoD decides to scrap the new vessels it mens only six, instead of eight, of the £1.6bn “hunter-killers” would be able to protect the UK from foreign threats, including Russia.

The Government could scrap the powerful vesselsGETTY
NUKE SUB: The Government could scrap the powerful vessels
HMS Queen Elizabeth: UK's biggest ever WARSHIP docks in Portsmouth for the first time

Crowds flock to the shoreline to see the historical sight of the Royal Navy's new flagship, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, dock for the first time at
HMS Queen Elizabeth, the UK's newest aircraft carrier, sails past the Spinnaker Tower as she arrives in Portsmouth
“These submarines are crucial to defend our deterrent”

Sea Lord Admiral Lord West
In the document, seen by the Daily Express, senior commanders said: “In the long term the delay (or cancellation) will ease the pressure on manning, but we must not be seen to welcome this situation. Any loss of capability will impact on operations.”

Another part of the document added: “To delay (or cancel) of AST 7 will have a significant impact capability.”

The shocking plans emerged one week after MPS warned against the Government’s plans to axe Britain’s two amphibious vessels, and the knock-on loss of up to 2,000 Royal Marines, as part of plans to plug the budget deficit.

Astute subs are among the most quiet in the world and come armed with powerful Tomahawk missiles capable of delivering death from 754 miles away.
Its sonar is also so powerful that it can detect boats coming in and out of New York harbours from the English Channel.

It can also stay underwater for 25 years – only needing to come up for air when replenishing food and water supplies.

The news comes as Russia continues to build up its Northern Fleet with the first of five new Borei II class subs.

Last night former first Sea Lord Admiral Lord West said: ”These submarines are crucial to defend our deterrent, crucial to monitor Russian attack submarines which are now being quite aggressive, crucial for intelligence gathering and crucial to prevent Russian vessels accessing the Atlantic if they want to cause us harm.

“Our original operational requirement was to have eight. Obviously, this news is a bad thing operationally, and unfortunate for the nation.”

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Postby jaysimha » 12 Feb 2018 14:15

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=175237

Print ReleasePrintXClose
Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
03-January-2018 03:43IST
Conventional Submarines

The service life of a ship / submarine varies between 25 to 30 years depending on the class, type and size of platform. Various factors govern the operation of ships / submarines beyond their life span such as force level requirements, utility of the platform, planned replacements of ships / submarines and their induction schedule, status of hull machinery, weapons, sensors as well as equipment and material upgrades and life extension under taken. The submarines periodically undergo extensive overhaul, which significantly enhances their combat-worthiness. Further, Major Refit with Life Certification (MRLC) of vintage conventional submarines are planned. All units of Indian Navy follow a comprehensive Operational cum Refit cycle.

The Government of India had approved a 30 year Long Term Submarine Building Plan which entails indigenous construction of modern Conventional Submarines by 2030.

This information was given by Raksha Rajya Mantri Dr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to Shri Rajan Vichare in Lok Sabha today.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vips » 13 Feb 2018 05:44

India and Oman sign agreement o enhance mutual defence cooperation.

India and Oman on Monday signed a key pact that extends dry docking and other facilities to Indian naval ships in the strategically located Gulf country.

It can be seen as a move that bolsters India’s strategy to counter Beijing in the Indian Ocean region where it is increasingly making inroads.

The two countries have also agreed to hold joint military exercises to shore up their defence partnership, a day after India announced its first naval exercises with another Gulf partner, the United Arab Emirates.

A supplementary pact to an existing defence agreement was among eight accords signed during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s two-day visit to Oman that concluded on Monday.

According to Oman News Agency, the pact envisages use of the strategically located Duqm port and dry dock for maintenance of Indian military vessels—a development that Indian analysts have welcomed given the increasing presence of Chinese ships and submarines in the Indian Ocean.

Former chief of the Indian Navy Admiral Arun Prakash said China’s increasing “footholds” in India’s periphery from Myanmar to Pakistan and establishment of a base in Djibouti were a matter of concern for India.

“China is a Pacific country,” he said, referring to its large coastline along the Pacific Ocean. “So the question is what is it doing in the Indian Ocean? India is at the centre of the Indian Ocean. So India does need to respond” to Chinese moves which “are quite opaque”.

“Duqm is a very strategically located port. So this is a very positive development. This is good news for us,” Prakash added.

During his visit, Modi held talks with Oman’s Sultan Qaboos bin Said and others.

A joint statement issued on Monday said the “two sides expressed satisfaction over the current state of bilateral relations, especially the robust security and defence cooperation, and agreed to further expand their cooperation to new areas of mutual interest, including space, cybersecurity, energy security, renewable energy and food security with a view to taking the strategic partnership to a higher level”.

To provide a boost to defence ties, the two countries agreed to “regular holding of joint exercises by the three defence forces, training of navy, air force and army officials, as also cooperation in the area of coastal defence and through participation in defence exhibitions”.

Besides this, “the two sides agreed to enhance cooperation to strengthen maritime security in the Gulf and the Indian Ocean regions, vital for the security and prosperity of both countries. They further agreed to promote bilateral collaboration for humanitarian assistance and evacuation in natural disasters and conflict situations”, the statement said.

The India-Oman joint statement also strongly condemned “terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, wherever committed and by whomever”.
It “declared that there could be no justification for any act of terrorism anywhere”.

The two countries also agreed on the need to “isolate the sponsors and supporters of terrorism” and urged the international community to “take urgent action against all such entities which support terrorism and use it as an instrument of policy. The two sides agreed to coordinate efforts to counter extremism and radicalization and misuse of religion by groups and countries for inciting hatred and perpetrating acts of terrorism”, the statement added.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SSridhar » 13 Feb 2018 09:09

Russia seeks Rs. 125 cr. to carry out repairs on INS Chakra - Dinakar Peri & Josy Joseph, The Hindu
Russian authorities have demanded over $20 million for rectifying the damage suffered by nuclear submarine INS Chakra , which was dry-docked last week, even as the government is seeking to fix responsibility for the mishap.

According to defence sources, Russia has quoted $20 million (approximately Rs. 125 crore) for fixing the front portion, which was damaged while the submarine was entering the harbour in Visakhapatnam. The accident details emerged in public in early October last year.

The developments around INS Chakra come even as the indigenously built nuclear ballistic missile submarine INS Arihant, which had suffered extensive damage because of human error over a year ago :?: , is yet to be back to active sailing.

Arihant still to sail

After extensive flushing and replacement of many of its pipes, Arihant was floated recently but sailing it will take more time, the defence sources said.

On INS Chakra , Russian officials have conveyed to India that they would be making all the replacement panels in their own facility, and would not be using any Indian facilities. The almost 5x5 ft. panels of the sonar dome would be brought to Visakhapatnam and fitted on to the leased submarine.

In an interview to The Hindu last week, Russian Ambassador Nikolai Kudashev said he wasn’t aware when the nuclear-powered submarine would sail again.

“As far as I know the submarine is under repairs as of now but in the near future it is expected to be back in operation. There is nothing irreversible that happened there. That is what I am aware of,” the Russian Ambassador said.

The Defence Ministry did not respond to queries from The Hindu .

Posting put on hold

Meanwhile, government sources indicate that they want responsibility fixed for the damage suffered by INS Chakra .

As part of the firm stand taken by the government, it is believed to have put on hold the proposal to appoint Inspector General of Nuclear Safety Vice Admiral Srikant as the new Commandant of the New Delhi-based National Defence College (NDC), until responsibility is fixed for the Chakra mishap.

Vice Admiral Srikant is the senior most naval officer responsible for nuclear submarines.
Lt. Gen. YVK Mohan moved out as NDC commandant early in January to take over as the General Officer Commanding IX Corps headquartered at Yol in Himachal Pradesh.

Denying any specific knowledge of the Ministry’s move, Navy officials admitted that a series of appointments in the Navy are currently waiting to be cleared by Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Vice Admiral Srikant’s is also among them.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 13 Feb 2018 11:27

SOPs for entering and exiting Vizag harbour esp. for subs should've been established especially as our N-subs will have deeper draughts than conventional boats. The actual circumstances of the incident have not been released , when it happened by day or night, sub on the surface or submerged, etc. There have over the years been a few incidents, why a full-fledged new N-sub base further down the coast is being built.Now that the event has happened, the faster the sub is repaired the better.$10M is peanuts when compared to the extra bills the RN is getting for its N-sub woes! In fact the budget is so small that it is seriously scrapping its latest SSN!

In 2002 an RN SSN struck the seabed off the Isle of Skye in Scotland and the bill for some hull repair work was 5M GBP.

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Postby nandakumar » 13 Feb 2018 14:12

Meanwhile there is a news report of a blast at Cochin Shipyard in which four people died. The blast occurred in an ONGC Offshore vessel. More details are awaited.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 13 Feb 2018 17:21

Please study this pic carefully,how a heavyweight Chinook has been placed aboard the lift of the QE carrier.This is a deck-edge lift which I mentioned earlier. This is intelligent design where the carrier's lifts have been made as large as posible so that thye can accommodate almost any size of fighter aircraft or helo.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... abeth.html
For the first time ever a giant RAF Chinook helicopter has been stowed in the hangar of a British aircraft carrier. With the nose protruding over the edge of one of HMS Queen Elizabeth’s two mighty aircraft lifts, the 99ft-long helicopter from RAF 7 Squadron was moved from the flight to the hangar deck.
So large are the lifts and hangar spaces on the new Portsmouth-based warship that there’s no need even to fold the rotors.

There ZH902 – a special trials variant of the Chinook – was joined by a second helicopter, and two Merlins, all from the Aircraft Test and Evaluation Centre (ATEC) at MOD Boscombe Down, and a couple of Merlin Mk2s from 820 Naval Air Squadron.

All six helicopters are onboard Queen Elizabeth for trials, finding out what the operating parameters are of the airframes flying from the carrier at sea.

They were transferred to the hangar in advance of rough weather as the 65,000-tonne warship – the largest vessel ever built for the Royal Navy – made her way towards Gibraltar, keeping the helicopters out of harm’s way of the elements

The painstaking process to bring the Chinooks in for the very first time took almost two hours, with the nosecone hanging precariously over the aircraft lift (powerful enough to raise or lower two F-35B Lightning II jets or half the 700-strong ship’s company). With practice it will take a fraction of that time.

The Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth arrived in Gibraltar for her first overseas port visit. The 65,000-tonne future flagship will be conducting a routine logistics stop having left her home in Portsmouth last week for helicopter trials. These helicopter trials take place before the fixed wing F35 Lightning II trials later this year.

On leaving Gibraltar HMS Queen Elizabeth will return to sea to conduct helicopter trials with specially equipped Merlin and Chinook aircraft from the Aircraft Test and Evaluation Centre at MOD Boscombe Down. The data collected will be analysed to work out their operating parameters at sea, ahead of fixed wing flying trials with the F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter off the east coast of the United States in the summer.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 13 Feb 2018 18:41

Please study this pic carefully,how a heavyweight Chinook has been placed aboard the lift of the QE carrier.This is a deck-edge lift which I mentioned earlier. This is intelligent design where the carrier's lifts have been made as large as posible so that thye can accommodate almost any size of fighter aircraft or helo.


Nearly all modern carriers have been designed with large elevators for both oversized aircraft and to move two aircraft/fighters at the same time.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-jQ9IehbBAw/maxresdefault.jpg
http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/c2/0d/ ... edium.jpeg

In the West, one would have to go back quite a bit of time to find carrier elevators sized for just one aircraft although that design feature is present in LHAs which won't be carrying anything north of a 18-20 aircraft fighter wing at the max (only for very small amounts of time).

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 13 Feb 2018 20:09

Very sorry to hear of the blast at Cochin Shipyards today, 5 dead, several critical, hope the loss of life is kept down, and that there is no damage to any vessel.

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Postby SSridhar » 15 Feb 2018 13:45

Special promotion board for Navy officer - The Hindu
The Armed Forces Tribunal has instructed the Navy to constitute a special promotion board for S.S. Luthra, a nuclear submarine engineer, whose allegation that nepotism scuttled his career were upheld by the Supreme Court.

The tribunal order came when the Navy and Vice-Admiral P.K. Chaterjee (retd.), who is accused of undermining the careers of highly skilled nuclear engineers, returned to it after the Supreme Court refused to entertain their appeal.

“All assessments of the SRO [Vice-Admiral Chaterjee] in the confidential reports of Commander Luthra are hereby struck down and will be expunged from the officer’s records and quantified merit as recalculated and already approved by the Chief of the Naval Staff will replace the old quantified merit assessed by the SRO,” the tribunal said in its ruling.


Promotion denied

Commander Luthra was one of the 11 nuclear submarine engineers of the Navy trained in Russia to operate and maintain nuclear reactors. However, he and several others were denied promotion allegedly to favour Captain Agashe, son-in-law of Vice-Admiral Chaterjee, who was in the same promotion batch as Commander Luthra.

Vice-Admiral Chaterjee, then the Inspector-General, Nuclear Safety, was the Senior Reviewing Officer (SRO) for officers serving on the submarines INS Chakra and INS Arihant . He and the Navy had filed an appeal in the tribunal after a military tribunal indicted him in the case and imposed a fine of Rs. 5 lakh.

“Since the officer [Commander Luthra] has, of his own volition, already proceeded on premature retirement, if approved for promotion, the officer will be granted his rank from the original date of his batch, and will be entitled to full pension and all terminal benefits in his enhanced rank,” the ruling said.

Accepting his charge, the tribunal noted that Vice-Admiral Chatterjee, in his capacity as SRO, had shown favour to Capt. Agashe.

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SSridhar wrote:Special promotion board for Navy officer - The Hindu
The Armed Forces Tribunal has instructed the Navy to constitute a special promotion board for S.S. Luthra, a nuclear submarine engineer, whose allegation that nepotism scuttled his career were upheld by the Supreme Court.

The tribunal order came when the Navy and Vice-Admiral P.K. Chaterjee (retd.), who is accused of undermining the careers of highly skilled nuclear engineers, returned to it after the Supreme Court refused to entertain their appeal.

“All assessments of the SRO [Vice-Admiral Chaterjee] in the confidential reports of Commander Luthra are hereby struck down and will be expunged from the officer’s records and quantified merit as recalculated and already approved by the Chief of the Naval Staff will replace the old quantified merit assessed by the SRO,” the tribunal said in its ruling.


Promotion denied

Commander Luthra was one of the 11 nuclear submarine engineers of the Navy trained in Russia to operate and maintain nuclear reactors. However, he and several others were denied promotion allegedly to favour Captain Agashe, son-in-law of Vice-Admiral Chaterjee, who was in the same promotion batch as Commander Luthra.

Vice-Admiral Chaterjee, then the Inspector-General, Nuclear Safety, was the Senior Reviewing Officer (SRO) for officers serving on the submarines INS Chakra and INS Arihant . He and the Navy had filed an appeal in the tribunal after a military tribunal indicted him in the case and imposed a fine of Rs. 5 lakh.

“Since the officer [Commander Luthra] has, of his own volition, already proceeded on premature retirement, if approved for promotion, the officer will be granted his rank from the original date of his batch, and will be entitled to full pension and all terminal benefits in his enhanced rank,” the ruling said.

Accepting his charge, the tribunal noted that Vice-Admiral Chatterjee, in his capacity as SRO, had shown favour to Capt. Agashe.


and lost the valuable services of a bright officer as well.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 15 Feb 2018 16:44

Ministry of Defence13-February, 2018 17:45 IST
DAC Clears Proposal Worth Rs 15,935 Crore


To enhance the anti-submarine warfare capabilities of Indian Naval Ships, the DAC accorded approval for the procurement of Advanced Torpedo Decoy Systems (ATDS) for the Indian Navy. The 'Mareech' system has been developed indigenously by Defence Research and Development Organisation and has successfully completed extensive trial evaluations. The 'Mareech' systems will be produced by Bharat Electronics Limited, Bengaluru at an estimated cost of Rs 850 crore.

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and the name is also given to Indian black pepper which was considered as black gold
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vips » 15 Feb 2018 19:54

chetak wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Special promotion board for Navy officer - The Hindu


and lost the valuable services of a bright officer as well.


Just giving the deserving and wronged officer his rank and pension should not be end of the matter. What about the wrongful conduct of the Navy top brass?
An investigation should be conducted and if Vice Admiral Chatterjee unduly promoted his son in law, he should be punished, his pension should be withheld, should be personally held liable for all the back pay and privileges lost by the officer. An example should be made out of him by stripping him of all the awards and medals he has got during the service and also his son in law should be demoted with immediate effect.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 16 Feb 2018 14:52

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/tender_document/Prebid_Minutes_11m_Work_Boat_18Feb15.pdf
Indian navy PROCUREMENT OF 17 NOS. 11M WORK BOATS WITH ONBOARD/ B&D SPARES

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Feb 2018 02:27

NPOL's torpedo defence system to equip Navy
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k ... 778173.ece

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Feb 2018 02:28

Siemens Inaugurates Medium Voltage Lab for Indian Navy
https://www.arcweb.com/blog/siemens-ina ... ndian-navy

Siemens’ Medium Voltage (MV) Lab at INS Valsura was inaugurated by the Chief of the Naval Staff, on January 24, 2018. The project has been executed by Siemens on a turnkey basis. This marks a new milestone in the modernization plans of the Indian Navy by embracing state-of-the-art technology for ship propulsion. According to the company, Siemens has played a pivotal role in the transformation process of the Indian Navy from diesel-mechanical turbines to an efficient electric propulsion, which will further build stealth and endurance to the fighting vessels as well as reducing its carbon footprint.

The facility will be used for training personnel on the nuances of medium voltage power generation, protection and distribution. This high-technology lab has been set up in the campus of INS Valsura, the Indian Navy’s oldest training establishment, where officers and sailors of the Indian Navy, Indian Coast Guard and friendly foreign navies are training in the field of electrical, electronics, and weapon systems. The construction phase of this mega project commenced in early February 2017 and has been completed in a record time of 11 months. The lab as it stands today is a one-of-its-kind training facility in the subcontinent and is one of only two such facilities worldwide. The setup comprises equipment manufactured at varied locations across India and is in line with the Government’s Make in India initiative.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 17 Feb 2018 03:34

Vips wrote:
chetak wrote:
and lost the valuable services of a bright officer as well.


Just giving the deserving and wronged officer his rank and pension should not be end of the matter. What about the wrongful conduct of the Navy top brass?
An investigation should be conducted and if Vice Admiral Chatterjee unduly promoted his son in law, he should be punished, his pension should be withheld, should be personally held liable for all the back pay and privileges lost by the officer. An example should be made out of him by stripping him of all the awards and medals he has got during the service and also his son in law should be demoted with immediate effect.



This has gone on too many times where senior officers handicap their juniors career out of spite or other reasons.

I think this VADM should be stripped of his rank for conduct unbecoming of an officer and his pension revoked.
Same with all those he favored.

Very clear he has handicapped Commander Luthra's career by making adverse remarks.

This is sufficient grounds for that action.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby vasu raya » 17 Feb 2018 07:27

Rakesh wrote:NPOL's torpedo defence system to equip Navy
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k ... 778173.ece


Awesome development, seems like towed array sonar is being used for torpedo detection

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 17 Feb 2018 07:35

ramana wrote:
Vips wrote:
Just giving the deserving and wronged officer his rank and pension should not be end of the matter. What about the wrongful conduct of the Navy top brass?
An investigation should be conducted and if Vice Admiral Chatterjee unduly promoted his son in law, he should be punished, his pension should be withheld, should be personally held liable for all the back pay and privileges lost by the officer. An example should be made out of him by stripping him of all the awards and medals he has got during the service and also his son in law should be demoted with immediate effect.



This has gone on too many times where senior officers handicap their juniors career out of spite or other reasons.

I think this VADM should be stripped of his rank for conduct unbecoming of an officer and his pension revoked.
Same with all those he favored.

Very clear he has handicapped Commander Luthra's career by making adverse remarks.

This is sufficient grounds for that action.


if someone were so inclined, I guess that there there would be more than sufficient grounds for a genuine PIL.

Not the first time that such a thing is happening and certainly, its not the last.

Why didn't anyone see the conflict of interest in the instant specific case??

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Bangladesh Naval Ships Visit Chennai...... for what ? ¿ ? ¿

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 17 Feb 2018 18:41

Just a customary port visit. Navies do it all the time.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 17 Feb 2018 19:43

An Alternative Plan For P-75I, India’s Submarine Construction Program
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2018/ ... n-program/

A good article. I love the idea. Would love to see others comments on this.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Rakesh wrote:An Alternative Plan For P-75I, India’s Submarine Construction Program
http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2018/ ... n-program/

A good article. I love the idea. Would love to see others comments on this.

If only India had continued to build on its Type-1500 like the South Koreans ...

30-years of wasted time.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby vasu raya » 17 Feb 2018 23:14

If the signature leak issue of Kalvari is addressed, then having improved and indigenized variants with AIP makes sense. if the latter is the least that is required that would address the 'Kalvari problem', there is even better motivation.

Though the proposal for a VLS will make the sub bigger and the signature generated then would be smaller than what is compromised already? so, why is it Brahmos-NG and Nirbhay which fit into 533mm torpedo tubes require VLS?

Give a roadmap from current Kalvari to the improved one, then additional three Scorpenes could be built without breaking continuity. if IP theft is a big issue, how are the French getting away with leakages? as Haridasji would say beggars can't be choosers.

Also, can they have the last two Kalvari with the indigenous CMS replacing SUBTICS?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby tsarkar » 18 Feb 2018 02:47

Rakesh wrote:An Alternative Plan For P-75I, India’s Submarine Construction Program....A good article. I love the idea. Would love to see others comments on this.

Except for the small fact that we really didn't learn anything building Kalvari, so don't have the know how and know why to build a Super Kalvari. Nuclear submarine is a different breed.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 18 Feb 2018 07:46

its high time they started proofing dummy nirbhay from TT. arrangements have to be made and procedures worked out to load, store, maintain and fire this thing properly. its not a plug n play proposal.
a anti ship version of nirbhay would give all our vessels a LR nuisance capability like the LRASM to 'trigger' cheen radars and sam systems in a long range fight :lol:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 18 Feb 2018 09:14

The French get away with it becos they operate N-subs leaving conv. boats for the plebs. A "Super Scorpene" would require considerable redesign and cost much more.They are very expensive even without an AIP system.A VLS plug for missiles like BMos would add to size and weight requiring a more powerful plant as well.Big design and integration challenges.An Amur with VLS would cost a lot less.The design was done a long time ago.Until BMos- NG/L whatever arrives, western subs with std. tube sizes will not be able to accommodate BMos.

What the IN should however do in a G-to-G deal , is to examine the dual tube Dolphin class U-boats it is supplying to Israel.These larger tubes can accommodate Israel's second-strike strat. deterrent.These boats would give us the extra capability when needed for boats operating primarily in the IOR.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sum » 18 Feb 2018 11:24

tsarkar wrote:
Rakesh wrote:An Alternative Plan For P-75I, India’s Submarine Construction Program....A good article. I love the idea. Would love to see others comments on this.

Except for the small fact that we really didn't learn anything building Kalvari, so don't have the know how and know why to build a Super Kalvari. Nuclear submarine is a different breed.

Werent there reports at start of deal about how we managed to regain the art of pressure welding with all the workers sent to France initially bringing it back to India and which would be useful for future too

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby udy » 18 Feb 2018 12:05

Which submarine's model is displayed in the Bhramos stall at the singapore airshow posted on Feb 7 in the @strategic_front twitter thread (Rakesh posted). It has, what looks like 8(6?) bhramos tubes in the back and 4 missile tubes in front of the tower. TIA

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby jaysimha » 19 Feb 2018 11:12

https://www.indiannavy.nic.in/content/rfi-supply-and-installation-magazine-fire-fighting-system
REQUEST FOR INFORMATION (RFI) FOR SUPPLY AND INSTALLATION OF MAGAZINE FIRE FIGHTING SYSTEM (MFFS) for seven warships under construction at two different shipyards in India

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2018 12:01

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/18/asia ... index.html

some details on the seychelles pact.

some needless "we should know our place" comments by Adm Prakash I felt, but then generals and top officials are generally not the best at counter-cheen psyops.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 19 Feb 2018 15:17

udy wrote:Which submarine's model is displayed in the Bhramos stall at the singapore airshow posted on Feb 7 in the @strategic_front twitter thread (Rakesh posted). It has, what looks like 8(6?) bhramos tubes in the back and 4 missile tubes in front of the tower. TIA


Looks more like a model to display plug in capability of brahmos then any specific class of sub.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Feb 2018 18:29

Regarding the LRMP's, anyway we can buy the 737-900 Platform and Intergrate an Indian Sonar, MAD and A2A and A2G Aesa Radar. That way we can 12-16 plus another 16 Platforms with local stuff.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2018 20:24

so that would leave out the wing/belly pylons, torpedo bay, sonobuoy launcher, MAD stinger all of which need structural changes and stuff like radar and EW systems which need electrical system changes and even Boeing changed the FCS to permit a max bank angle of around 45' vs 25' on the civilian model.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2018 22:50

Indian Navy to get submarine rescue vehicles in June
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... BgiMJ.html

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Philip » 20 Feb 2018 13:10

As China concerns grow, India looks to build military presence in Seychelles
By Steve George and Manveena Suri, CNN

Updated 2340 GMT (0740 HKT) February 18, 2018

A rocket is fired from the Indian Navy destroyer ship INS Ranvir during an exercise drill in the Bay of Bengal, April 18, 2017.
New Delhi (CNN)The Seychelles is not typically associated with geopolitics. But beyond the white sandy beaches and tropical jungles, the tiny archipelago nation is emerging as a key player in India's battle to counter growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean.

Late last month, India and the Seychelles signed a revised agreement granting India permission to construct a military base on the Seychelles' Assumption Island, roughly 1,650 kilometers (1,025 miles) east of mainland East Africa.
The deal, which follows several years of diplomatic negotiations, will provide India with a crucial military staging point in what is fast becoming a critically strategic region.

In 2016, approximately 40 million barrels of oil per day -- equivalent to just under half of the world's total oil supply -- traveled through Indian Ocean entry and exit points, including the Straits of Hormuz, Malacca and Bab el-Mandeb.
India, which has more than 7,500 kilometers (4,700 miles) of coastline and sits at the very center of the Indian Ocean, is dependent on free and open access to those same shipping lanes for trade.
According to the Indian Ministry of Shipping, around 95% of the country's trade by volume, and 70% by value, comes via the Indian Ocean.

Chinese consolidation
India's attempts to better secure its access to the region mirrors a similar strategy deployed by its neighbor and long-standing rival China.
Under Chinese President Xi Jinping, China's naval reach has grown considerably, expanding far beyond its immediate coastline into areas not previously considered within its sphere of influence.
In July last year China established its first overseas military base in Djibouti, near the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, among the world's busiest shipping lanes and one of three crucial Indian Ocean arteries.
The strait, which is only 29 kilometers (18 miles) wide at its narrowest point, connects the Mediterranean Sea via the Suez Canal, and the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean beyond.
The opening of the Djibouti base was followed several months later by the country's controversial acquisition of the Hambantota port in Sri Lanka, just 22.2 kilometers (13.8 miles) by some estimates from the primary Indian Ocean sea lane that links the Malacca Straits to the Suez Canal.

China sends troops to Djibouti, establishes first overseas military base
Speaking to CNN, Malcolm Davis, a senior analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in Sydney, described the Hambantota deal -- which saw Sri Lanka grant China a 99-year lease on the port to service some of the billions in debt it owes to Beijing -- as part of a "determined strategy by China to extend its influence across the Indian Ocean at the expense of India."
"That port then gives them not only a strategic access point into India's sphere of influence through which China can deploy its naval forces, but it also gives China an advantageous position to export its goods into India's economic sphere, so it's achieved a number of strategic aims in that regard," said Davis.

Stoking fears
Earlier this month, China took the unusual step of denying accusations that it was "land grabbing" in another critical Indian Ocean seaport -- this time in the Maldives.
Like Sri Lanka, the Maldives has long been considered within India as a close regional ally. But in recent years, the country, led by President Abdulla Yameen, has drawn closer to China, inviting investment under Beijing's expansive "One Belt, One Road" economic initiative.
This has prompted concern in some corners, not least from the country's opposition leader, Mohamed Nasheed, who has stated publicly that China is "buying up the Maldives" under Yameen's rule.

Speaking to reporters last month, Nasheed claimed as much as 80% of the Maldives' foreign debt was owed to China, raising the prospect that the nation, much like Sri Lanka, could eventually be forced to hand over infrastructure to help pay off its debts.
Though China has denied the accusations, such views have helped to stoke fears in India of potential encirclement by China, and that analysts say, is playing into India's renewed push to consolidate regional alliances.
Speaking to CNN, Gurpreet Khurana, the executive director of India's National Maritime Foundation, said the new Seychelles deal was part of an Indian effort to safeguard territorial integrity.
"India has a primary area in the northern Indian Ocean and the secondary is the Indo-Pacific region. We (India) have interests that we have to preserve. With the Chinese going into the Indian Ocean in a big way, our strategic interests are expanding as well, and this is the only way India will be able to preserve itself," said Kurana.
No details confirmed
Though specific details of India's newly signed Seychelles agreement have not been released, a report by Janes suggests it includes provisions for a naval base and air strip.
A previous version of the accord, first proposed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2015, failed to takeoff, due to concerns over sovereignty and costs. Issues that this time around appear to have been ironed out. A statement released by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs sought to characterize the new, revised agreement as a joint endeavor.
"India and Seychelles have drawn up a cooperation agenda that covers within its purview joint efforts in anti-piracy operations, and enhanced EEZ surveillance and monitoring to prevent intrusions by potential economic offenders indulging in illegal fishing, poaching, drug and human trafficking," read the statement.

US, India and Japan begin naval exercises, as China looks on
The move has stirred resistance in the Seychelles, however, where earlier this month, a group of 50 residents held a demonstration to protest the accord, citing a lack of transparency and environmental concerns.
The organizer of the protest, Ralph Volcere, told the official Seychelles News Agency that the island republic should not become involved in the "conflicts of superpowers."
"We need to remain nonaligned, friendly to all -- enemy to none," Volcere was quoted as saying.
Speaking to CNN, Arun Prakash, a retired four-star admiral and former Indian naval chief, refuted claims that the Seychelles agreement draws the island nation into a wider geopolitical rift.
"(What India is building in the Seychelles) is a facility, not a military base. It has not been our policy to set up military bases on foreign soil ... We were a colony for centuries, and after we became free, we do not want to do the same to another country. Setting up military bases is another form of colonialism," said Prakash.
"In international relations, China's approach is called a realist approach. India is far more sensitive to the opinions to its neighbors. Ours is a softer one ... China has a lot of money to spend. If they want to build a base, they can do it overnight. We don't have the financial and technical means to do this like them," said Prakash.
With Sri Lankan port acquisition, China adds another 'pearl' to its 'string'
Close ties between India and the Seychelles stretch back several decades, though have tightened in recent years under Prime Minister Modi.
During a previous visit to the Seychelles by Modi in May 2015, the Indian leader outlined a vision for the Indian Ocean region with "collaboration as its backbone."
Under the banner of SAGAR (Security and Growth for All in the Region), a Modi-led initiative that seeks to develop better cooperation among Indian Ocean nations, Indian naval ships have helped to patrol the waters around the Seychelles, and in 2016, India installed a coastal surveillance radar system in the archipelago to gather and analyze intelligence.
The new agreement, which according to the Seychelles News Agency will be valid for an initial 20-year period once ratified, includes a clause that allows the Seychelles government to suspend operations at the base in certain circumstances it considers detrimental to its national interest, such as the outbreak of war.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/18/asia ... index.html

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 20 Feb 2018 13:17

Singha wrote:so that would leave out the wing/belly pylons, torpedo bay, sonobuoy launcher, MAD stinger all of which need structural changes and stuff like radar and EW systems which need electrical system changes and even Boeing changed the FCS to permit a max bank angle of around 45' vs 25' on the civilian model.


Or all of that expect the radar/ EW systems, freedom to integrate our missiles and weapon systems and radars. Given them an order of 20 or so to be delivered by 2028.


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