Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 07 Nov 2018 10:29

Rakesh wrote:Squadron Leader Ajmer Singh of Indian Air Force creates record, flies 101 sorties in a day
https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/hum ... 56108.html


:shock: 101 sorties in 1 day... Wow

The point-to-point share rickshaw guy outside my colony does not do 101 trips in 3-4 days

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bala Vignesh » 07 Nov 2018 11:23

Not takiing away anything from Sqn Ldr, but these were probably joy rides for about 10min a piece, in a motor glider. So no way comparable to a Autowala.

These are common for an adventure sports facility.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chetak » 07 Nov 2018 12:31

Bala Vignesh wrote:Not takiing away anything from Sqn Ldr, but these were probably joy rides for about 10min a piece, in a motor glider. So no way comparable to a Autowala.

These are common for an adventure sports facility.


So flying a powered hang glider is a "sortie"??.

Is it the same when civilians also pilot a "powered" hang glider??

Sortie has historical connotations of military intent and content.

Can we seriously equate fighter and bomber sorties to "powered" hang glider "sorties"??

The jury is out on this one and may never return.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 07 Nov 2018 15:59

Bala Vignesh wrote:Not takiing away anything from Sqn Ldr, but these were probably joy rides for about 10min a piece, in a motor glider. So no way comparable to a Autowala. These are common for an adventure sports facility.


Sir, even a 10 min/sortie for 101 sorties works out to nearly 17 hrs of flying (and prep - include Take off, Landing, Refueling, Checks etc) in a 24 hr day.

Would require very good skill, excellent physical and mental condition, good reliable equipment (and support team).

The autowallah comparison i only meant in a fun way, no disrespect intended. Just that the point-to-point share ricks of Mumbai are also usually short distance rides, typically about a km or so and they last about 5 minutes to and 5 minutes back.

Admittedly the Sqn Leader did not need to cope with Mumbai type traffic :D

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 07 Nov 2018 20:55

The whole point of this exercise is to highlight the adventure that is available in the Armed Forces. The Navy and the Army do similar things i.e. like scaling up Mount Everest or circumventing the entire globe in a sailing vessel. This is free advertisement for young aspirants. So when they say 101 sorties, they obviously do not mean combat sorties. You cannot even fit 101 combat sorties - by a single pilot - in a 24 hour cycle!

The officers who conduct these adventures have regular jobs in the Indian Air Force, like being a helicopter, transport or fighter pilot. Or some other role in the IAF. Ditto for the officers in the Army and Navy.

Take it in the right spirit. Loosen up and don't be so serious and rigid about everything :)

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SBajwa » 07 Nov 2018 21:38

brar_w wrote:
Khalsa wrote:LOL
having observed the exercises of Igla at a close range I can assure you that a dedicated strike formation (unknown) to the defenders has not chance of being shot down in the area unless they linger.

So imagine a group of F-15s carrying laser guided bombs or conventional bombs are arriving from a direction to destroy a reactor under construction, they will go low below the immediate horizon of the occasional sweep of eye balls that by the time they are visible .... it will be a race between human screaming and assimilation of commands between 4 different people and the velocity of a F-15 at close to 2000 Km/h


The main problem these weapons (Stinger/Avenger) are trying to solve in this context is the UAV/UCAV threat or 911 type airliner threat, not supersonic fighters that need to fully cooperate for them to get a kill. You can use more capable missiles against them. In Singha's example, Washington DC is defended by NASAMS and there may be Avenger/Stingers there as well for precisely the type of threat I described earlier. Neither of the systems is there to fend off a direct attack by strike fighters because that threat just doesn't exist.


Right!
Mexico, Iceland, Europe, Japan, Russia and China are too far! Only Canadian fighter jets could attempt a raid!

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Nov 2018 22:43

Rakesh wrote:The whole point of this exercise is to highlight the adventure that is available in the Armed Forces. The Navy and the Army do similar things i.e. like scaling up Mount Everest or circumventing the entire globe in a sailing vessel. This is free advertisement for young aspirants. So when they say 101 sorties, they obviously do not mean combat sorties. You cannot even fit 101 combat sorties - by a single pilot - in a 24 hour cycle!

The officers who conduct these adventures have regular jobs in the Indian Air Force, like being a helicopter, transport or fighter pilot. Or some other role in the IAF. Ditto for the officers in the Army and Navy.

Take it in the right spirit. Loosen up and don't be so serious and rigid about everything :)

Think of it as a diwali celebrations in your job. May not be your core job, you may still enjoy it and serves as good thing to show in campuses


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