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Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kersi » 10 Oct 2017 11:39

Aditya_V wrote:Well given our past experiences 1965 and 1971, Pathankot 25km from the border comes with very little reaction time to defend and always has been subject to special attention by PAF, Kangra Airport 55KM from Pathankot can be used as offensive operations in the same theatre, especially to cover Islamabad Peshawer, Chamb Jourian sector etc.

Chandigarh, Ambala et al are good 200KM away from Pathankot.


Amritsar air base is less than 30 km from IB. Pathankot AFB is less than 60 km. Thus spake Aunty Wikimapia

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Oct 2017 12:37

PathanKot AFB is less than 25Km from IB

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2017 00:48

Shiv wrote:But I see the future more automated and less seat of pants. That said - the sad Mi 17 accident shows that no computer may be able to prevent some incidents and developing pilot skills to react to dire emergencies is important. Let me once again remark that unlike forum myths where it is assumed that "war is stressful for pilots" and flying is otherwise an easy joyride - that is simply not true. Flying itself induces a lot of physical and mental stresses and a war situation increases the workload.



These three will be pioneers in IAF.


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby JayS » 11 Oct 2017 11:23


Reading the article its seems the guy was clearly was in it for money. How is this a honeytrap..? :?:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 12 Oct 2017 05:14

Moved to IAF History Thread....

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 12 Oct 2017 23:22

Shouldn't this be in the IAF history thread?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 14 Oct 2017 01:11

Good point, I will move this there and delete my post.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 16 Oct 2017 22:05

India informs US it’s ready to buy ISTAR aircraft from Raytheon


NEW DELHI ― India has made an official request to purchase two ISTAR aircraft under a government-to-government deal. The move comes within a month of U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis’ visit to India.

A formal letter of request was sent to the U.S. Defense Department earlier this month expressing intent to procure two intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance aircraft via the Foreign Military Sales program, a Ministry of Defense official said.

“This is a priority program, as many of the [Indian Air Force’s] surveillance programs have been delayed,” the MoD official said.

The ISTAR aircraft is a critical requirement and will be operated by the Air Force, the official noted, adding that the deal is estimated to cost $1 billion.

ISTAR aircraft will be supplied by Raytheon of the U.S. on a Gulfstream platform.The MoD also constituted a joint committee comprising of scientists from the Defence Research and Development Organization, officials from the Air Force, and MoD officials. The aircraft acquisition is expected to be expedited. The committee will finalize the mission software and critical equipment for the ISTAR aircraft.

Raytheon has provided a classified briefing on the ISTAR aircraft program to related agencies in India. Raytheon executives in India were unavailable for comment.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 17 Oct 2017 16:31

U.S. to extend C-17 offer to India
https://www.stratpost.com/u-s-extend-c-17-offer-india/

Why do things take forever to sign? Why? :roll:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 17 Oct 2017 16:33

https://twitter.com/saurabhjoshi/status ... 4837583872 --> 2nd Sqn of MiG-29 upgraded aircraft will be established this Air Force Day - ACM Dhanoa

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 17 Oct 2017 17:01

Best wishes & compliments of IDS to all the Air Warriors on the 85th Anniversary of the Air Force & Air Force Day.
https://twitter.com/hq_ids_india/status ... 7462299648

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 17 Oct 2017 17:04

Rakesh wrote:U.S. to extend C-17 offer to India
https://www.stratpost.com/u-s-extend-c-17-offer-india/

Why do things take forever to sign? Why? :roll:


That too after applying political pressure. :lol:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby JayS » 17 Oct 2017 17:38

:lol: :lol: ^^ I think we need to privatize the Government itself...


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prem » 17 Oct 2017 22:30


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2017 22:14

I have a question.
First Pratt and Whitney complains its engines get worn out in Indian weather conditions.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Indust ... 9.ece/amp/

What exactly?
Pratt & Whitney has informed the Directorate General of Civil Aviation that Indian climatic conditions are primarily responsible for snags encountered in its engines fitted in Airbus A320 new engine option planes.

The American aircraft engine manufacturer has said that weather conditions unique to India such as high humidity, heat and saltiness due to the ocean were causing problems to A320neo plane engines, sources said.

“We saw some early distress on our PW1100G-JM engine combustor panels, primarily in the challenging environment of India. Modifications were implemented mid-last year and improvements are on track to be introduced by the end of this year,” Pratt & Whitney sources told The Hindu.


‘Traffic disruptions’

The Pratt & Whitney engines on Airbus’ fuel-efficient A320neo planes have encountered issues in two components — the combustor chamber lining and the No. 3 bearing seal — that start to wear out sooner than expected. The engines need to be replaced much earlier than in the normal replacement cycle. This has led to some air traffic disruptions as low-cost carriers IndiGo and GoAir using A320neo planes with Pratt & Whitney engines continue to face snags. The airlines had complained about the slow pace of engine replacements.

GoAir had said last week that of its six A320neo planes, one was grounded. IndiGo’s five planes are parked at present due to lack of engine spares. IndiGo has 141 A320s, of which 24 are A320 neos. IndiGo has signed a contract with Pratt & Whitney for the first 150 planes out of 430 A320 neo planes on order.

Although the A320neo fitted with P&W engines has faced problems globally too, sources said the premature degradation of the engine’s combustor chamber lining is a unique glitch faced in India due to its climate.

The engine maker is now building an improved design to replace all the engines for all airlines, sources said. “Since March, new engines and overhauled engines have incorporated improvements that have enhanced the engine’s durability. We have increased spare engine deliveries as well as overhauled engine returns with this improved design which should help to stabilise the current fleet,” sources in P&W said.




Does the IAF face similar engine wear issues for the numerous airplanes they have some of which have US made engines?

What exactly is the issue for the combustor and the bearing seals? Excess humidity with salt exposure causing corrosion?

Indranil can you research this corrosion issue that P&W faced? Are there papers published on this?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby shiv » 19 Oct 2017 17:05

ramana wrote:Does the IAF face similar engine wear issues for the numerous airplanes they have some of which have US made engines?

What exactly is the issue for the combustor and the bearing seals? Excess humidity with salt exposure causing corrosion?

Indranil can you research this corrosion issue that P&W faced? Are there papers published on this?


Ramana yes - I have heard about "Indian atmospheric conditions" in the past. This was in the context of engine manufacturers initially blaming the IAF for improper usage and trying to weasel away - but gradually it became clear that Indian conditions were different. The main fallout was in terms of what parts to inspect and what frequency to inspect them at.

Acknowledging that it is atmospheric conditions and not brown monkey pilots who do not know how to fly (a comment that I still see on my YouTube channel) is a step forward. I had mentioned long ago about Wingco Suresh telling me about extremely clear dust free skies over Europe and the USA where objects were visible 10 km away, compared to India where the visibility was much less due to haze and particulate matter.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 20 Oct 2017 00:41

Yes. Nothing new.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kartik » 20 Oct 2017 01:50

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/saurabhjoshi/status/915830134837583872 --> 2nd Sqn of MiG-29 upgraded aircraft will be established this Air Force Day - ACM Dhanoa


As per Angad Singh, that will be No.47 'Black Archers'

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 20 Oct 2017 01:53

Awesome. Thanks Kartik. Was No 28 'First Supersonics' the numero uno squadron to be established with upgraded MiG-29s?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 20 Oct 2017 01:55



IAI loses out to Raytheon on Indian ISTAR deal
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/123754 ... istar-deal

India has handed a major blow to Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) (TASE: ARSP.B1) unit ELTA, which had been hoping to win a $1 billion deal to sell two ISTAR (intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance) aircraft. IAI had been strong in the running to win the deal after receiving a restricted global request for information from the US government for the acquisition of ISTAR-capable aircraft in 2013. Thales of France, Raytheon and Boeing of the US, and the UK's BAE Systems also received the request. The Indian government has now awarded the procurement to Raytheon.

Defense industry sources had seen IAI as having a major chance of winning the deal due to IAI's strong presence in India. In recent years, IAI has won three major deals from the Indian government: Barak 8 naval defense missiles in two deals worth $2 billion last April and three Phalcon AWACS aircraft worth $1.1 billion in a deal completed in 2010. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ground breaking visit to Israel in July, several months after the Barak 8 deal was signed, was seen as a further sign that the two Asian powers were forming much closer defense ties. Modi had then declared the opening of a path of partnership with Israel and that India places great importance on Israel's advanced technology.

ELTA had been offering India an ISTAR aircraft similar to the Israel Air Force's Nachshon, which is based on a Gulfstream 550 platform -- the executive jet produced in the US but adapted for ISTAR missions by ELTA. In addition to the Israel Air Force, ELTA has also sold such aircraft to Singapore, according to foreign media reports. According to "US Defense News," India officially asked the Pentagon to go ahead with the Raytheon procurement in early October following the visit of US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to New Delhi. The visit was designed to strengthen military cooperation between India and the US. In 2016, Barack Obama's final year in office, the US granted India the status of "major defense partner" in an effort to iron out bureaucratic obstacles to future US-India defense deals.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 20 Oct 2017 04:25

The US has the best kit in the arena, and two aircraft is a useful, niche capability. I would likely assume the IAF has asked CABS to start working on something similar as well. Once economy picks up, more such ISTAR aircraft may enter the IAF as well.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby pkudva » 20 Oct 2017 08:57

Prem wrote:


I certainly wish this gets concluded soon.

However Indian Bureaucracy is so busy in only pushing the files. I do not know who monitors the Projects & who is held accountable for delay in the conclusion of contracts, Delay in delivery, commissioning & allotment of necessary resources.

Till date other than MP, We have not seen any other RM who has taken interest in each and every Project & has shared his personal vies in every Project. This is what we want where in every meetings Minister should be accountable & put his thoughts for strategic Projects along with PMO.

The Present Dispensation has Ltd Time & India has lot of hopes in the NDA Gvt & we must be hopeful that critical Contracts get concluded soon....to the list of many!!!


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