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Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srin » 23 Jul 2017 13:40

So, there is some report that we'd exercised options to buy 38 more after the initial 75.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/12307/ ... r_Aircraft

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srin » 23 Jul 2017 13:50

Austin wrote:Swiss firm not extending maintenance deal for India's PC-7 trainers

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/swi ... 7-trainers


This is going to get really messy now. See, Pilatus was the first deal that we signed based on Life cycle cost and not the acquisition cost. There were lots of rumbling around that - Koreans weren't happy, MoF itself wasn't sure etc. So, if the maintenance deal isn't signed because of high cost, how did Pilatus become L1 in life cycle cost assessment ? :x

Btw, Ajai Shooklaw's blog is a treasure-tove wrt Pilatus: http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/search?q=pilatus

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby suryag » 23 Jul 2017 14:31

If it had been HAL atleast we could have tarnished their image in every newspaper and shamed them, don't understand what we can do with Pilatus

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_Sharma » 23 Jul 2017 14:32

How many Mirage 2000s have been upgraded upto now?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 23 Jul 2017 15:04

http://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/ru ... 70063.html

Russia Keen to Sell MiG-35 to Indian Air Force, Says Official

Zhukovsky: Russia is keen on selling its new fighter jet MiG-35 to India with the MiG corporation's chief saying the country has evinced interest in the aircraft and talks were on to understand its requirements.

Chief Executive Officer of the MiG Aircraft Corporation Ilya Tarasenko said that after having presented MiG-35 in January, the MiG corporation began to actively promote the aircraft in India and in other parts of the world.

"We are proposing supply of the aircraft for tenders in India and we actively work with its Air Force in order to win the tender," he said while talking to reporters on the sidelines of the MAKS 2017 air show here.

The MiG-35 is Russia's most advanced 4++ generation multipurpose fighter jet developed on the basis of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft.

Asked if India has expressed any interest in the MiG-35, Tarasenko said, "Of course they have."

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vips » 23 Jul 2017 18:35

Natasha lobby trying to sell MIG-35 to India as a light plane.


Director of Russia's Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev also said that Russia is ready to take part in India's tender for the supply of light fighter jets with its MiG-35 plane. :rotfl: :rotfl:



"I would like to note the demand for this aircraft for our own air force, as well as our foreign partners. The plane is light, multi-functional and has high manoeuvrability," Tarasenko said, adding that the MiG was also offering special commercial terms to its partners (lots of free supply of Vodka).


The MiG-35 is Russia's most advanced 4++ generation multipurpose fighter jet developed on the basis of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft.


Just like the MIG 29K that was sold to Indian Navy was supposed to be an improved version of the old legacy aircraft. the same BS is being made of MIG 35 being an improved aircraft.

Finally look at the outright lies and bombastic claims.

Highlighting the main features of the MiG-35, Tarasenko said its technical specifications were close to a fifth generation aircraft, namely its flight capabilities, its new weapon range and defence systems, including stealth.


Stealth close to fifth generation aircraft,Guess they have finally figured out on how to make non-smoky engines. :rotfl: :rotfl: .
They are also setting expectations of the level of "stealth" we can expect from the FGFA should we go that route.


Director General of Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG Ilya Tarasenko said the MiG-35 was "the best"+ and definitely better than Lockheed Martin's fifth-generation combat aircraft F-35. He claimed that the MiG-35 would beat the American jet in air to air combat.


:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby brar_w » 23 Jul 2017 20:43

Vips wrote:
Just like the MIG 29K that was sold to Indian Navy was supposed to be an improved version of the old legacy aircraft. the same BS is being made of MIG 35 being an improved aircraft.



Kazakhstan is likely going to pick up the MiG-35 with their firm Kazakhstan Engineering picking up program work share.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SwamyG » 24 Jul 2017 07:59

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... 4110/lite/

Kargil war: When an IAF Jaguar had Sharif, Musharraf in its crosshairs

Is this too much information on some of the modalities?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srin » 24 Jul 2017 08:13

Highlighting the main features of the MiG-35, Tarasenko said its technical specifications were close to a fifth generation aircraft, namely its flight capabilities, its new weapon range and defence systems, including stealth.


Of course, it is stealthy. You don't see any of them flying in air forces do you ? :lol:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Gyan » 24 Jul 2017 19:23

Austin wrote:Swiss firm not extending maintenance deal for India's PC-7 trainers

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/swi ... 7-trainers


So much for cost benefit anal-ysis of imports.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 24 Jul 2017 20:07

SwamyG wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/kargil-war-when-an-iaf-jaguar-had-sharif-musharraf-in-its-crosshairs-4764110/lite/

Kargil war: When an IAF Jaguar had Sharif, Musharraf in its crosshairs

Is this too much information on some of the modalities?


Something doesn't seem right

For instance

The flight commander of the first aircraft had lased on to Gulteri while Sharif and Musharraf were there, and the second aircraft was ready to fire the bomb when Air Marshal Singh told them not to fire. The second Jaguar then fired the bomb in Mushkoh Valley on the Indian side of the LoC.


Why drop the bomb on the indian side... why drop it at all ?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SwamyG » 24 Jul 2017 22:57

^^^ I think it is part of some psy-ops from India.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Bala Vignesh » 25 Jul 2017 00:28

India looks to add muscle to Kaveri engine for Super Sukhoi upgrade!!
Well, this is interesting, to say the least!!!

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 25 Jul 2017 03:27

^^ if wishes were horses...first let the final plan for kaveri happen, before sheikh chilli dreams emerge.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2017 03:37

Bala Vignesh wrote:India looks to add muscle to Kaveri engine for Super Sukhoi upgrade!!
Well, this is interesting, to say the least!!!



Mind adding the highlights? The link comes up as blocked.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby NRao » 25 Jul 2017 03:42

ramana wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:India looks to add muscle to Kaveri engine for Super Sukhoi upgrade!!
Well, this is interesting, to say the least!!!



Mind adding the highlights? The link comes up as blocked.


Confident with initial studies that show that the desi ‘Kaveri’ engine can be revived and turned around for fighter jet operations in a short time span, India has asked its French collaborators whether the power-pack of the engine can be further boosted to upgrade its fleet of Su-30 MKI fighters.

The Kaveri project – which was abandoned in 2014 as it did not meet the power requirements of the Air Force – is being revived with French help for use on both the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and a new unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) project.

Work is on with the French side to use the significant offsets on the Rafale fighter jet deal to fund a redevelopment of the Indian jet engine project. French company Safran has to invest over $1 billion in India as part of its offset obligations for the Indian Rafale deal.

India is keen on an indigenous power plant that can be used for its future series of aerial combat platforms. Sources have told ThePrint that now the Indian side has suggested that the Kaveri engine be rated up to produce a power of 125 kn – to make it usable for the Su-30 MKI fleet.

The Air Force has a fleet of just under 300 Sukhoi jets that will need to be upgraded. “The idea is to have a more powerful engine that can be used for a ‘Super Sukhoi’ upgrade. With the numbers we require, it will be good to have a Make in India solution,” sources involved in the process told ThePrint.

The sources said that studies are now being carried out on the feasibility of using the upgraded Kaveri for the Su-30 MKI fleet. While Russia will need to be consulted for an engine replacement on the fleet as it is the designer of the jet, officials on the Indian side do not foresee any objections given that French engines are being extensively used, including on the KA-226 helicopters that are to be manufactured domestically for the Army.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2017 05:03

So what is the thrust level required for current SU-30MKI?

Never mind. From Wiki

AL-31FP Improved variant for the Indian Su-30MKI with thrust vectoring Salyut, HAL 2000 123 kN (27,700 lbf) Yes Su-30 MKI, Sukhoi Su-30MKM In service/production


Can anyone well versed in thermodamnics tell if the Kaveri core can be enhanced to produce 125 KN?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2017 05:07

Shouldn't they look to see if Kaveri can be a drop in replacement for Mig 29s?Would increase availability.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 25 Jul 2017 05:17

^^Shouldnt it be first looked to fit into Tejas itself (I know even though this has been decoupled). Someone mentioned that french are holding back on mating it with Kaveri

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2017 05:44

They are looking beyond LCA. They think it will happen. Take a look at the article.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cybaru » 25 Jul 2017 06:16

Is the TVC independent of the engine? Can the old engine be dropped and the TVC retained?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kakarat » 25 Jul 2017 16:07

Saurav Jha‏ @SJha1618

Saurav Jha‏ wrote:2:37 PM - 25 Jul 2017 - 125 KN will be a different engine. Different core.Different other things as well.
2:44 PM - 25 Jul 2017 - As far as the Sukhoi upgrade is concerned, they might look at the 117S (AL-41F1S), although it has a larger diameter than the AL-31FP
2:44 PM - 25 Jul 2017 - A 125 KN indigenous low-bypass turbofan will not have a thrust advantage over the AL-31FP.
2:45 PM - 25 Jul 2017 - So if it is indeed designed for use on the MKI, than the idea would be to get a more maintainable & fuel efficient engine.
2:46 PM - 25 Jul 2017 - And perhaps with a better thrust-to-weight ratio.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sum » 25 Jul 2017 16:33

Bala Vignesh wrote:India looks to add muscle to Kaveri engine for Super Sukhoi upgrade!!
Well, this is interesting, to say the least!!!

We were bombarded with news about how the Kaveri spin-off for marine applications, the KGMT, was a easy and done deal and would be soon being put onto IN ships since very little modifications required.We saw where that came to finally.

So better we actually are sure that thing is ready before DDM creates some splash and then nothing happens which leads to egg on face situation

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 25 Jul 2017 17:27

Bala Vignesh wrote:India looks to add muscle to Kaveri engine for Super Sukhoi upgrade!!
Well, this is interesting, to say the least!!!


Lets not do too many things and fail but rather do one thing well and succeed.

Get the 90kn Kaveri sucessful and fly it with Tejas airframe and get it flight certified and build 300 Tejas with Kaveri ...later on we can think about bumping the thrust and integrating with other aircraft , Lets get our basic right first !

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 26 Jul 2017 01:07

this is getting hilarious. we are unable to even fund support a functioning level 1 kaveri and now there is talk of advanced stuff. seriously, get first level done otherwise all these fancy aims will just be used to mock legitimate achievements elsewhere viz LCA

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 26 Jul 2017 01:33

Karan M wrote:this is getting hilarious. we are unable to even fund support a functioning level 1 kaveri and now there is talk of advanced stuff. seriously, get first level done otherwise all these fancy aims will just be used to mock legitimate achievements elsewhere viz LCA

Agreed, I was doing a facepalm when I read this.

We should be exploiting the underpowered Kaveri in a platform that does not need much power.
UAV , UCAV ?

Not every education syllabus last just 3 years in a University shop. The Jet Engine and its metallurgical learnings must be learnt and absorbed over decades. Thats when we will stop begging and they will flock to our shores, begging. The maturity of the Western Made engines comes from the multiple failures and short comings learnt from decades.

Learn to make peace with the fact that solid understanding of a product comes from learning how to make
things work over countless attempts and along the way you learn how to make it the wrong way
3000 times before you finally master, patent it and EFFING own it.

After many experiments, first with carbon filaments and then with platinum and other metals, Edison returned to a carbon filament.[55] The first successful test was on October 22, 1879;[53]:186[56][57][27] it lasted 13.5 hours.[58] Edison continued to improve this design and on November 4, 1879, filed for U.S. patent 223,898 (granted on January 27, 1880) for an electric lamp using "a carbon filament or strip coiled and connected to platina contact wires".[59] This was the first commercially practical incandescent light.[60]

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 26 Jul 2017 01:59

It makes zero sense to me to design an engine for Su-30, when a tested engine already exists and is available. Get a proper ToT agreement for Al-41, or whatever the hell it is called. AMCA's engine requirement seems to be at 125 kN category. There is no existing engine in that category. We should focus on it.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby shravanp » 26 Jul 2017 02:26

saars until and unless we don't have an engine, wholly made by ourselves, we actually don't even make a plane. I don't know how much of the credence should be given to the above article, but Kaveri development should be encouraged to at least power our Tejas.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sankum » 26 Jul 2017 06:26

Next gen Kaveri @125KN doubles the required order with 600-700 nos engines for AMCA and 600-700 nos engines for Su30 mki upgrade.

With total order for1200-1400 engines it makes economic sense for French as well as India to invest in it.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kartik » 27 Jul 2017 02:26

Seven nations commit to Israel's Blue Flag exercise


According to the commander of the Israeli air force's Uvda air base, identified only as Col I, France, Germany, Greece, India, Italy, Poland and the USA will take part in the exercise; making it the largest multinational event to be staged in the country.


During the two-week exercise, 70 fighter aircraft will train together with the Israeli air force's Lockheed Martin F-16C-equipped "Red Squadron", based at Uvda. Also dubbed Flying Dragon, the aggressor unit is used during training by all combat squadrons in Israel.

..



I'd expect F-16s from Greece, Poland and the US may send F-15s as well..unlikely to see either the F-35 or F-22, IMO. Expect Typhoons from Italy, Tornadoes from Germany and Rafales with Mirage-2000Ds from France. The IAF will most likely send over Su-30MKIs. Would love to see the MiG-29UPG and Mirage-2000I get some exposure to international exercises, but its unlikely.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 27 Jul 2017 06:27

Good point Kartik. The MiG-29UPG and the Mirage 2000I would be better platforms since they got their upgrades.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 27 Jul 2017 08:03

data point - Egypt has taken delivery of first single seat rafales this week. rest another 12-15 will be delivered by end of 2018 its been claimed.
http://www.egyptindependent.com/new-mul ... ive-egypt/

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby shiv » 27 Jul 2017 08:25

Folks - pardon me. See if this makes sense. I ask with reason:

shiv wrote:1.I need a son
2.For that I need a wife
3. but the wife should be exactly 5 feet sevenand a half, should weigh 52 kg and be guaranteed not to get high BP after age 50


I am guessing that most sane people would laugh at the 3rd requirement

But why does the following make sense?

We need a medium combat aircraft
For that we need an engine
but the engine must be no more than 130 kN and no less than 120 kN


This may sound sensible but we have designed and produced no engine at all. We need to get a working engine and then put it on a plane designed round the engine. But we have designed the plane and are now making demands about the engine. That sounds weird to me.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 27 Jul 2017 09:01

>> But we have designed the plane and are now making demands about the engine. That sounds weird to me.

a anecdotal saying is americans design planes around engines being the king of fighter engines. they are exuberant about raw power and have a overabundance of powerful engines. big and baad is what they do best like bulling the F15 around corners on twin burners or f22 standing on its tail and racing up just because it can. being da king they are fuel efficient to boot.

europeans design a plane and then find/build a suitable engine of modest tw. the diff being they can design and build whatever is needed. with typhoon they have very good t:w though.

we are the bottom of heap of aspirants and probably can fund only 1 mainline fighter engine so we have to choose carefully. for a given weight and desired t:w and fuel burn technology level there is a optimal engine size for economy of weight x fuel burn. sticking a pair of JSF engine on AMCA will just add weight, reduce range and not necessarily make it a hot rod.

so that is where i think our thrust band specified is coming from. I would add 20% margin though as during design phase a/c invariably end up heavier and it takes a lot of effort to meet goals. our design fetish of small n light also means initial values are unnaturally low. the empty Tejas weight is around 1.5 tons beyond the 5500kg empty design goal not just via structures but stronger pylons , new electronics etc. the aesa radars are generally heavier too than pulse doppler. hence the GE414 engine needed.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kersi » 27 Jul 2017 16:53

shiv wrote:Folks - pardon me. See if this makes sense. I ask with reason:

shiv wrote:1.I need a son
2.For that I need a wife
3. but the wife should be exactly 5 feet sevenand a half, should weigh 52 kg and be guaranteed not to get high BP after age 50


I am guessing that most sane people would laugh at the 3rd requirement

But why does the following make sense?

We need a medium combat aircraft
For that we need an engine
but the engine must be no more than 130 kN and no less than 120 kN


This may sound sensible but we have designed and produced no engine at all. We need to get a working engine and then put it on a plane designed round the engine. But we have designed the plane and are now making demands about the engine. That sounds weird to me.


I am repeating, maybe for the nth time.

At one of the AeroIndia / DefExpo, maybe ~ 10 years ago, I ventured to the stall of EuroJet and started chatting with an elderly gentleman, maybe 55 - 60 + years old. After some small talk I asked "If a typical western mannufacturers were to desing an entirely new engine (e.g. Kaveri) what would it cost and what would be the time for development". His first answer was a hearty laugh "No manufacturer would try to make a new engine, form thew scratch, so to say". He then answered that to develop a new engine form scratch and make the FIRST WORKING PROTOTYPE (operating on ground) would take minimum Euro 1 billion and take minimum 5 years. And this is for companies designing and making jet engines since 60+ years. And we want an engine overnight without having any previous knowledge and poor non-existent technical support for the ancillary and parts

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kartik » 28 Jul 2017 04:53

France intends to donate 31 of its stored ex-French AF Jaguars to India, in the hopes of building goodwill towards sale of additional Rafale jets. The Jaguars will be used for spares support to the existing IAF Jaguar fleet and some MAY be used for possible attrition replacement with suitable upgrades done by HAL.

Google translate from article in French magazine Le Pointe

It is now confirmed: Paris and New Delhi are in negotiations for the donation of Jaguar ground attack aircraft, designed in the 60s and retired by the French Air Force in 2005. The site Specialist Defense News said earlier this week that "very discreet discussions" were under way and involved 31 apparatuses currently under cocoon (and probably in poor condition) in Chateaudun (Eure-et-Loir).

Vivek Raghuvanshi, head of the Defense News office in India, told us that "the offer was made directly by Emmanuel Macron on June 3rd to a senior Indian official" and that " Discussions are not about a sale, but about a donation of these devices. " This last information was confirmed to us by a high-ranking French military source: it is indeed a gift. And this is not surprising: the devices are not worth much. In mid-July, the American company Atac bought 63 Mirage F1 from France, as well as 141 engines, for 21 million euros, in order to use them for the training of the US Air Force. Retired from service in 2014, these Mirage F1 are in much better condition than the Jaguar, put under cocoon 12 years ago, and yet worth less than 300,000 euros each.

Toward a second Rafale command?

The Indian Air Force Commander-in-Chief, Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa, was on an official visit to Paris from July 17 to 20 and probably discussed the issue with the French authorities. Vivek Raghuvanshi believes that "the discussions are progressing fast": an Indian delegation bringing together military and industrial must, he said, go to Chateaudun in mid-August "to inspect the aircraft."

This donation will enable the Indian Air Force, the last to use the Jaguar in the world, to consolidate its current fleet of 105 aging aircraft by recovering spare parts on French aircraft. The Jaguar thus returned to flight condition will not replace the additional Rafale that the Indian army claims to its government (which ordered "only" 36), but they will limit the damage pending a decision.
Chouchouter New Delhi

If a donation seems incongruous in the armaments sector, the agreement with India on the Jaguar is win-win: on the Indian side, the army will give a second wind to its old aircraft which will have to last longer than planned. And on the French side, the air force will get rid of planes that will not survive for a long time under their cocoon, and the government will score points with the Indians, which Dassault hopes they will pass a second order of Rafale very soon. Experts evoke 18 new Rafale aircraft, despite much higher requirements: in 2016, the previous Air Chief Marshal estimated that India needed 200 Rafale aircraft to secure its operational contract and to arm 42 fighter squadrons.

Even without a Rafale command, Emmanuel Macron has an interest in pampering Indian soldiers: contracts with French industrialists are numerous, for sale and maintenance of equipment, with the modernization of the Indian Mirage 2000 for example.
A well-known Indian plane

It is possible that India may appeal to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the severance of the Jaguar convicted and for the restoration and maintenance of the Jaguar to fly. The Indian manufacturer had manufactured about 100 licensed Jaguars (from BAE Systems), and is also responsible for the huge Jaguar modernization project already in operation in India. The DARIN III program envisages that some sixty of these aircraft will have to be brought to a new standard within three years, in order to extend their service life to 2030 or 2035.

Contacted by us on Tuesday morning, the French and Indian authorities and armies had not responded to our requests on Thursday evening. Dassault did not want to comment.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 28 Jul 2017 05:09

DRDO's Precision Guided High-Speed Low Drag 500 kg bomb during recent trials. Developed by ARDE, Pune.

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Postby Rakesh » 28 Jul 2017 06:31

Indian Air Force says Shalom to Israel’s largest air exercise
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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 28 Jul 2017 06:31

Indian Air Force ramps up infrastructure in North East
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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby VinodTK » 28 Jul 2017 17:16

FRANCE COULD DONATE 31 JAGUAR ATTACK AIRCRAFT TO INDIA
According to French daily Le Point, President Emmanuel Macron intends to donate 31 ex-French Air Force Jaguar fighters to India.

As we have recently reported in fact India was in talks to buy 31 ex-French Air Force Jaguar attack aircraft and the Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, ACM Birender Singh Dhanoa, has been discussed the issue with his French counterpart during his recent visit to the country.

Noteworthy the news had also been confirmed by a top Indian Ministry of Defence official who refused to comment on the price offered by France for the Jaguars and now a high-ranking French military source has confirmed the story to Le Point.

The SEPECAT Jaguar ground-attack aircraft was the result of a major UK/France collaborative programme, which followed agreement of a joint Anglo- French requirement in 1965 for a dual-role advanced/operational trainer and tactical support aircraft.

The plane is still in service with IAF.

Originally Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has built 120 Jaguar strike aircraft under technology transfer from BAE Systems of the United Kingdom. These aircraft were specifically “customized” to satisfy the service requirements. The Adour Mk 811 engines were in fact chosen to power the Jaguars and R-550 Magic 1 or 2 were selected as self-defense missiles. Most important IAF developed a total new nav-attack system, called DARIN, that combined several technology from France, UK and other sources. This system was about ten times more reliable and even more precise than the older Navigation and Weapon Attack Sub Systems (NAWASs) and all the IAF Jaguars had it as standard system.

The IAF was proud of this improvement in the Jaguar effectiveness and DARIN is still upgraded in new versions: HAL in fact is undertaking the modernization process of Jaguar DARIN III twin-seat aircraft. So far, three upgraded Jaguar DARIN III prototypes have been developed and about 60 Jaguar aircraft will be modernized in three years’ time, which will give operational life to the aircraft for another 20 years.



Macron has offered to donate 31 Jaguars to India


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