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Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rahul M » 09 Aug 2017 23:05

tezpur.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kakarat » 10 Aug 2017 00:05

Prithwiraj wrote:I think there SU-30MKI Sq. available in North East.


Actually there are two squadrons

No 2 Sqn Winged Arrows - Tezpur
No 102 Sqn Trisonics - Chabua

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 10 Aug 2017 01:31

Rakesh wrote:Khalsa: Talking about Jaguars in the Indian Air Force, please click on the link below....the BEST Jaguar shot I have seen to date. Click on the link below. Bloody beautiful shot!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGuvTz1V0AAohk1.jpg

And I got it from this link...Angad Singh takes some awesome pictures. And so does Vishal Jolapara.

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 8037303296


Oh she is a beaut isn't she
Thank you Admiral.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 10 Aug 2017 05:58

You are welcome Khalsaji.

Kakarat wrote:
Prithwiraj wrote:I think there SU-30MKI Sq. available in North East.


Actually there are two squadrons...
No 2 Sqn Winged Arrows - Tezpur
No 102 Sqn Trisonics - Chabua

No 102 used to be the MiG-25 squadron.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Kakarat » 10 Aug 2017 10:40

Rakesh wrote:You are welcome Khalsaji.

Kakarat wrote:
Actually there are two squadrons...
No 2 Sqn Winged Arrows - Tezpur
No 102 Sqn Trisonics - Chabua

No 102 used to be the MiG-25 squadron.


yes sir it has been reequipped with Su-30MKI

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby titash » 10 Aug 2017 19:00

Folks,
Looks like the AESA equipped Jaguar DARIN III has flown:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/for-the-first-time-jaguar-fighter-plane-flies-with-advanced-radar/articleshow/60005106.cms

Can anyone shed light on why the AESA radar makes sense on a dedicated ground attack aircraft? What mission profiles are enabled or served better?

Also does this mean that ALL our Jags can launch maritime strikes and not just the IM versions?
Thanks!

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 10 Aug 2017 20:15

Indian Air Force‏Verified account @IAF_MCC 8m8 minutes ago
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#YearsBack on this Day #IAF: 10 Aug 99- #Mig21 aircraft of No.45 Sqn, shoots down a Pakistani Naval Atlantique aircraft, KoriCreek, Gujarat.


Still remember the joy, felt like divine revenge for Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja.


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby eklavya » 10 Aug 2017 22:58

Is the Jaguar DARIN III AESA radar now superior (range, flexibility, etc.) than the one on the Mirage 2000, MiG 29 and Su 30 MKI? I'm somewhat disoriented that the first IAF fighter to get an AESA radar is the Jaguar. Anyway, if this radar is very good, we should upgrade all our legacy radars with this technology, and install it on the LCA. Integration will take time, but well worth it, I presume, in respect of capability gained.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prem » 11 Aug 2017 00:48

There might be truth in the rumor that India may order 300 Elta 2052s to get the Tech transfer from Israel.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 11 Aug 2017 00:52

titash wrote:Folks,
Looks like the AESA equipped Jaguar DARIN III has flown:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/for-the-first-time-jaguar-fighter-plane-flies-with-advanced-radar/articleshow/60005106.cms

Can anyone shed light on why the AESA radar makes sense on a dedicated ground attack aircraft? What mission profiles are enabled or served better?

Also does this mean that ALL our Jags can launch maritime strikes and not just the IM versions?
Thanks!


i think so .. it will be only a software tweak to enable the maritime option.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 11 Aug 2017 03:50

^^^^^
Whoop Whoop & Balle Balle

Was that a IS (re-nosed) or an IM that flew with the new radar ?
Anyway very nice ... shot in the arm for the force.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Aug 2017 04:24

If the serial number starts with JM then it is a Jaguar Maritime (JM). If the serial number starts with JS then it is a Jaguar Strike (JS). If the serial number starts with JT then it is a Jaguar Trainer (JT). Just look at the tail...JM255 from No 6 Dragons Squadron - the only maritime attack Jaguar unit in the IAF. As per wiki chacha, 12 were built by HAL.

It's main weapon is the Harpoon AShM and prior to that, the Sea Eagle AShM.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Aug 2017 05:23

Old video of Times Now documentary on No 6 Dragons Sqn, IAF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEQeZMTHbg

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cain Marko » 11 Aug 2017 09:20

eklavya wrote:Is the Jaguar DARIN III AESA radar now superior (range, flexibility, etc.) than the one on the Mirage 2000, MiG 29 and Su 30 MKI? I'm somewhat disoriented that the first IAF fighter to get an AESA radar is the Jaguar. Anyway, if this radar is very good, we should upgrade all our legacy radars with this technology, and install it on the LCA. Integration will take time, but well worth it, I presume, in respect of capability gained.


Not likely. It's a2a ability will be limited at best and therefore has only the shortish ranged ASRAAM. ALTHOUGH this might change and an aesa, which normally indicates more range might be able toguide the derby.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Gaur » 11 Aug 2017 10:21

titash wrote:Folks,
Looks like the AESA equipped Jaguar DARIN III has flown:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/for-the-first-time-jaguar-fighter-plane-flies-with-advanced-radar/articleshow/60005106.cms

Can anyone shed light on why the AESA radar makes sense on a dedicated ground attack aircraft? What mission profiles are enabled or served better?

Also does this mean that ALL our Jags can launch maritime strikes and not just the IM versions?
Thanks!


If nothing else, 2052's SAR itself should be a great capability addition for a2g roles.

A little brochurities overview of Elta 2052

http://www.iai.co.il/2013/36566-34455-e ... Lines.aspx

Operational Modes

Air-to-Air

TWS/Multi-target detection and tracking
Multi-target ACM
High resolution raid assessment

Air-to-Ground

High resolution mapping (SAR Mode)
AGR - Air-to-Ground Ranging
RBM - Real Beam Map
DBS - Doppler Beam Sharpening
GMTI on RBM, SAR
GMTT on RBM, SAR
Beacon
Weather

Air-to-Sea

Sea search and multi-target tracking
RS and ISAR classification modes

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 11 Aug 2017 15:00

Pretty special photo: that's the first ever Indian combat aircraft flying with an AESA radar. Jaguar with a an ELTA 2052.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby fanne » 11 Aug 2017 15:51

The Israelis had a condition that the aesA for lca from them is only possible if IAF installs it in two types of aircraft.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 11 Aug 2017 16:49

Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) of IAF crashes in Kathua in Jammu-Kashmir
http://indianexpress.com/article/cities ... r-4791771/

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby eklavya » 11 Aug 2017 20:49

Cain Marko wrote:
eklavya wrote:Is the Jaguar DARIN III AESA radar now superior (range, flexibility, etc.) than the one on the Mirage 2000, MiG 29 and Su 30 MKI? I'm somewhat disoriented that the first IAF fighter to get an AESA radar is the Jaguar. Anyway, if this radar is very good, we should upgrade all our legacy radars with this technology, and install it on the LCA. Integration will take time, but well worth it, I presume, in respect of capability gained.


Not likely. It's a2a ability will be limited at best and therefore has only the shortish ranged ASRAAM. ALTHOUGH this might change and an aesa, which normally indicates more range might be able toguide the derby.


If it is a kosher ELM 2052, then it should be pretty potent in the A2A mode as well. Plus a whole lot of capability in the air to ground and air to sea mode.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 11 Aug 2017 20:53

https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 3948492800

Indigenous Content of major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited produced platforms in terms of number of components.


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sum » 12 Aug 2017 05:04

Am always duboius as to what is counted as indigenous whenever these % are passed off.

IIRC, even licence manufactured stuff with just label changed is shown as indigenous most of times

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 13 Aug 2017 10:20

sum wrote:Am always duboius as to what is counted as indigenous whenever these % are passed off.

IIRC, even licence manufactured stuff with just label changed is shown as indigenous most of times


Barring Dhruv and TEJAS all are lic manuf in India the OeM owns the design , The % merely states that we manuf the components in India from raw material stage so don't have to import it.

Surprising do-228 indiginous content is as good as hawk and mki made 2 decades later at hal , why didnt we build the engine too here , looks like the engine is imported or just assembled here and likely few electronics too

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby shiv » 14 Aug 2017 06:44

The information we get from these percentages is unbelievable. Human beings are 70% water -which means that on bad days they are just a pot of piss, and on good days you can get a 70% human being with 3 buckets of water.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby prasannasimha » 14 Aug 2017 07:27

No some things are mandated during licencing. For eg Sukhoi braking gear has to be made from vanadium billets from Russia as per agreement.


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby abhik » 14 Aug 2017 18:15

Those % are by part count not by cost, which will be 10-20% lesser.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Cosmo_R » 14 Aug 2017 19:59

Does anyone have an image of a Darin II (before) and Darin III (after) cockpit?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby suryag » 14 Aug 2017 22:37

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/pilatus-aircraft_indian-arms-dealer-s-swiss-accounts-under-scrutiny/43409576

Every damn deal that the UPA concluded seems to be tainted. Given this whats wrong in supporters of indigenous development/manufacturing suspecting every foreign deal..... as always the suspects hide in UKistan. The only ones that seem clean till now are the ones purchased under FMS. I am fervently praying for the HTT-40 to knock this pilatus off, but then what do we do with this junk, we can probably boneyard it and sell it to some nation run by a tinpot dictator.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 15 Aug 2017 10:40

Can someone explain what is the advantage of adding AESA to a dead, underpowered design that at best has a decade of service left in it. Is the re-engine going to happen as well and can this make the Jag a multi-role instead of DPSA.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Singha » 15 Aug 2017 11:21

(a) our newest 39 jags are less than 10 years old. they will serve another 30 yrs with MLU in late 2020s.
(b) SAR/ISAR radar A2G modes will give precision BDA/recce incl ability locate vehicles even under foliage in any weather or night.
(c) ability to self escort to some extent using radar guided derby

so it will in concert with the litening pods become better dpsa

reengine is not worth for 39, unless we want to reengine the 80s and 90s era airframes the oldest date to some 30 years old now and newest maybe 20. or they plan to build new ones.

Jag will never be a A2A plane due to its design - high wing loading and less t:w.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Khalsa » 15 Aug 2017 14:41

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 15 Aug 2017 19:39

Just saw documentary on 1971 air war in Epic channel. It was on par with Dogfights series of History Channel.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 15 Aug 2017 20:13

Did you record saar?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karthik S » 15 Aug 2017 20:17

Watched it on TV, there is repeat at 8:30 PM,10:30 PM IST.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 15 Aug 2017 20:21

Amen! Someone record this please. I would myself, if I had access to that channel.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rahul M » 15 Aug 2017 21:32

Karthik S wrote:
Indian Air Force‏Verified account @IAF_MCC 8m8 minutes ago
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#YearsBack on this Day #IAF: 10 Aug 99- #Mig21 aircraft of No.45 Sqn, shoots down a Pakistani Naval Atlantique aircraft, KoriCreek, Gujarat.


Still remember the joy, felt like divine revenge for Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja.

+100
it was a well deserved bloody nose for the pakis. Sqn Ldr Bundela in a Mig-21 it was, IIRC.

Singha wrote:(a) our newest 39 jags are less than 10 years old. they will serve another 30 yrs with MLU in late 2020s.
(b) SAR/ISAR radar A2G modes will give precision BDA/recce incl ability locate vehicles even under foliage in any weather or night.
(c) ability to self escort to some extent using radar guided derby

so it will in concert with the litening pods become better dpsa

reengine is not worth for 39, unless we want to reengine the 80s and 90s era airframes the oldest date to some 30 years old now and newest maybe 20. or they plan to build new ones.

Jag will never be a A2A plane due to its design - high wing loading and less t:w.

were any of those newer jags the IM version ? I remember they were split about 50-50 in 2 seaters and 1-seaters. (17+20 if memory servers right)

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby shiv » 15 Aug 2017 21:50

Singha wrote:Jag will never be a A2A plane due to its design - high wing loading and less t:w.

It is rock steady at 50 feet AGL. That is the only stealth we have, Initial attacks in conflict will be by Jags flying low level at night

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 16 Aug 2017 00:58

Vivek K wrote:Can someone explain what is the advantage of adding AESA to a dead, underpowered design that at best has a decade of service left in it. Is the re-engine going to happen as well and can this make the Jag a multi-role instead of DPSA.

Why isn't this flamebaiting? If you want to discuss the merits of an AESA powered strike aircraft, put it in a sane manner, instead of this taunt.

This is the last soft warning on this. I don't even know why I am not warning you.


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