Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 May 2020 10:00

The Indian Air Force pilot who became Top Gun
https://www.cntraveller.in/story/meet-i ... p-gun/amp/

Really nice images and a great story.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby basant » 12 May 2020 10:20

MeshaVishwas wrote:The Indian Air Force pilot who became Top Gun
https://www.cntraveller.in/story/meet-i ... p-gun/amp/

Really nice images and a great story.

Thank you for sharing! It's indeed a great read :)

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Postby Manish_P » 12 May 2020 12:24

+1 Thanks for sharing !

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nachiket » 13 May 2020 23:55

From pictures thread
VishalJ wrote:Smokey Bandits:::::::: https://www.instagram.com/p/CAIV-EsBl5A/


This should put to rest our misconception that the RD-33-Series 3 solves the smoke problem of the original RD-33.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Indranil » 14 May 2020 00:59

It is not as clean as the 404/414s for sure. But there are lot of Mig-35, JF-17 demos around which are pretty smokeless throughout the full aerobatic routine.

Coming back to this picture, it is most probably during a transition in settings. As this is during takeoff, I will hazard a guess that this is just after the AB has been turned off. The think Vishal's caption also says so.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby VishalJ » 14 May 2020 01:20

Indranil wrote:Coming back to this picture, it is most probably during a transition in settings. As this is during takeoff, I will hazard a guess that this is just after the AB has been turned off. The think Vishal's caption also says so.


Correct. This is the a/c a few seconds ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/CADrxr1l6Ic/

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nachiket » 14 May 2020 04:56

Indranil wrote:It is not as clean as the 404/414s for sure. But there are lot of Mig-35, JF-17 demos around which are pretty smokeless throughout the full aerobatic routine.

Coming back to this picture, it is most probably during a transition in settings. As this is during takeoff, I will hazard a guess that this is just after the AB has been turned off. The think Vishal's caption also says so.

You are right about the transition part. As for the Mig-35/JF-17 those aircraft use the RD-33MK (or the RD-93 which is a variant of it) which is different from the RD-33 Series 3 on the IAF Mig-29UPG. The IN Mig-29K's use the MK.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby MeshaVishwas » 14 May 2020 07:57

nachiket wrote:
Indranil wrote:It is not as clean as the 404/414s for sure. But there are lot of Mig-35, JF-17 demos around which are pretty smokeless throughout the full aerobatic routine.

Coming back to this picture, it is most probably during a transition in settings. As this is during takeoff, I will hazard a guess that this is just after the AB has been turned off. The think Vishal's caption also says so.

You are right about the transition part. As for the Mig-35/JF-17 those aircraft use the RD-33MK (or the RD-93 which is a variant of it) which is different from the RD-33 Series 3 on the IAF Mig-29UPG. The IN Mig-29K's use the MK.

No, the RD93 is a RD33 with a relocated gearbox.
MK is only on the 29 K/KuB and has no derivatives yet, at least operationally.

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Postby Cain Marko » 14 May 2020 08:17

nachiket wrote:
Indranil wrote:It is not as clean as the 404/414s for sure. But there are lot of Mig-35, JF-17 demos around which are pretty smokeless throughout the full aerobatic routine.

Coming back to this picture, it is most probably during a transition in settings. As this is during takeoff, I will hazard a guess that this is just after the AB has been turned off. The think Vishal's caption also says so.

You are right about the transition part. As for the Mig-35/JF-17 those aircraft use the RD-33MK (or the RD-93 which is a variant of it) which is different from the RD-33 Series 3 on the IAF Mig-29UPG. The IN Mig-29K's use the MK.

I believe I the latest f15 with Uber engines did not impress in it's recent flight either. In certain regimes smoke is inevitable I think.
First few seconds:
https://youtu.be/wIaOtQbyOY0

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sajo » 14 May 2020 12:34

/*Self Deleted, dont intend to indulge in rumour mongering*/
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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Larry Walker » 14 May 2020 12:45

The correct handle is DrApr007 and I don't see this on his twitter. Also the FR path going into Pakistan is a predictive path, maybe based on last turn or direction captured on the ADSB.

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Postby sajo » 14 May 2020 12:50

Larry Walker wrote:The correct handle is DrApr007 and I don't see this on his twitter. Also the FR path going into Pakistan is a predictive path, maybe based on last turn or direction captured on the ADSB.


Thanks, I will self-delete the above post. Babaji seems to have deleted his tweet.

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Postby Larry Walker » 14 May 2020 14:36

Vow .. Babaji's twitter handle is now on fire, he mentions that Indian aircraft did penetrate into Paki airspace and now there is lot of IAF AWAC activity on Western front.

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Postby Aditya_V » 14 May 2020 14:54

Yes makes no sense a surveillance aircraft flying across the Border

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Postby shaun » 14 May 2020 15:38

Larry Walker wrote:Vow .. Babaji's twitter handle is now on fire, he mentions that Indian aircraft did penetrate into Paki airspace and now there is lot of IAF AWAC activity on Western front.

A 1st class idiot will make such a claim , when the transponders stop transmitting , flightradar24 gives an estimated flight part. Anyway no one in his right mind will fly his transporter ELNIT A/c right into his enemy's territory.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby RajD » 14 May 2020 16:25

Larry Walker wrote:The correct handle is DrApr007 and I don't see this on his twitter. Also the FR path going into Pakistan is a predictive path, maybe based on last turn or direction captured on the ADSB.


@bhootnath has also posted a thread regarding this incident on twitter. Here is the link.:

https://twitter.com/bhootnath/status/12 ... 02208?s=19

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 May 2020 17:26

RajD wrote:
Larry Walker wrote:The correct handle is DrApr007 and I don't see this on his twitter. Also the FR path going into Pakistan is a predictive path, maybe based on last turn or direction captured on the ADSB.


@bhootnath has also posted a thread regarding this incident on twitter. Here is the link.:

https://twitter.com/bhootnath/status/12 ... 02208?s=19

do we know for sure that the transponder was switched off? could be part of psy ops..find it hard to believe that IAF would do that ..but if it has happened it is worse than the Mig 25 sonic boom over is-loo

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srai » 14 May 2020 17:56

nachiket wrote:From pictures thread
VishalJ wrote:Smokey Bandits:::::::: https://www.instagram.com/p/CAIV-EsBl5A/


This should put to rest our misconception that the RD-33-Series 3 solves the smoke problem of the original RD-33.

The IAF MiG-29s’ tactic to overcome smokey engine problem is to full after burn till the edge of visual range and then turn the burner off to coast in with enough speed (and no smokes behind them). Then once in visual contact smokey engine not so much an issue.

AM revealed this tactic in a podcast.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Larry Walker » 14 May 2020 18:01

If one checks for the history in FR for the ELINT plane (K2899) and Netra (KW3556), one will find that these 2 flow towards Pakistan in north Punjab/south Rajasthan sector today morning.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_Sharma » 15 May 2020 12:12

Larry Walker wrote:Vow .. Babaji's twitter handle is now on fire, he mentions that Indian aircraft did penetrate into Paki airspace and now there is lot of IAF AWAC activity on Western front.


What's his handle now?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Larry Walker » 15 May 2020 13:24

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Larry Walker wrote:Vow .. Babaji's twitter handle is now on fire, he mentions that Indian aircraft did penetrate into Paki airspace and now there is lot of IAF AWAC activity on Western front.


What's his handle now?

@DrApr007

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 15 May 2020 14:18

_/\_
Thanks

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Postby VishalJ » 15 May 2020 19:55

nachiket wrote:From pictures thread
VishalJ wrote:Smokey Bandits:::::::: https://www.instagram.com/p/CAIV-EsBl5A/


This should put to rest our misconception that the RD-33-Series 3 solves the smoke problem of the original RD-33.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prithwiraj » 17 May 2020 07:06

With so many A-380 being retired by the civilian airlines--- they are currently at throwaway price with lot of airframe time left. Barring sourcing spares and engines --- can IAF scoop up few of them for rapid movement of troops across major metros in a hub and spoke model for rapid deployment of troops (IA, NSG, CRPF, BSF etc.)? Only problem I see will be the lack of boarding or de-boarding infra in some of the regional metros but these are not civilian use cases and I am wondering even if it takes 3 times longer can ladder be used for this purpose? Used A-380's are currently being offered at throwaway prices and price is expected to fall more. With full economy config. it can carry 800 troops with huge cargoes in one flight. 10 of those will be a huge increase in ferry capabilities of troops. We can probably carry 1 train loads of troops from New Delhi to say Guwahati or Silchar at probably 1/20 of time. Based on the runaway length and altitude of the airports we can come up with a prescribed load and fuel suggestion

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 17 May 2020 07:41

Prithwiraj wrote:With so many A-380 being retired by the civilian airlines--- they are currently at throwaway price with lot of airframe time left. Barring sourcing spares and engines --- can IAF scoop up few of them for rapid movement of troops across major metros in a hub and spoke model for rapid deployment of troops (IA, NSG, CRPF, BSF etc.)? Only problem I see will be the lack of boarding or de-boarding infra in some of the regional metros but these are not civilian use cases and I am wondering even if it takes 3 times longer can ladder be used for this purpose? Used A-380's are currently being offered at throwaway prices and price is expected to fall more. With full economy config. it can carry 800 troops with huge cargoes in one flight. 10 of those will be a huge increase in ferry capabilities of troops. We can probably carry 1 train loads of troops from New Delhi to say Guwahati or Silchar at probably 1/20 of time. Based on the runaway length and altitude of the airports we can come up with a prescribed load and fuel suggestion

I don't think it works like that. The A-380 is a Group Vi aircraft and the geometric considerations alone are a nightmare to bring in an A-380. In addition, the A380 comes in at 1.23 million pounds. Almost 3 times the weight of a C-17. A lot of changes will be needed.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Karan M » 17 May 2020 13:07

Did I post this before
https://sldinfo.com/2018/08/the-perspec ... way-ahead/

Gagan Shakti

Ex Gagan Shakti provided extremely valuable takeaways. It validated the capability to conduct sustained high tempo operations. This in turn validated our internal manpower and process optimisation. Joint operations took centre stage in the exercise. Our sister services provided exceptional support and we were able to refine various joint operation concepts.

As you are aware, the IAF’s airlift and heli-lift capabilities have been vastly expanded in recent years with the induction of C-17s, C-130Js and a large number of Mi-17 V5 Medium Lift helicopters. This entire capability was exercised and used to validate our ability to move forces on strategic and tactical levels.

It also brought home valuable lessons for combat support, which was rendered in an exceptional manner by various DPSUs and OEMs. This enabled the IAF to maintain and sustain extremely high rates of serviceability throughout the exercise period, and produce an unprecedented quantum of flying. The intense flying activity over extended periods also allowed the IAF to exercise its networked AD system. The system has now been extended in coverage and fine tuned and optimised.


LCA is a versatile platform and its efficacy in various roles has been validated during Ex-Gagan Shakti. Tejas is a potent platform in ground attack as well as air defence role. Performance of the aircraft in air-to-ground weapon delivery was observed to be exceptional.

For air defence role, aircraft has good AI radar capability and integration of BVR missile is in the final stage. With active support of HAL the aircraft was found to be highly reliable during conduct of surge ops.

The commissioning of the first Squadron of LCA Tejas in July 2016 marks a significant step towards indigenous capability building. Currently, the squadron has nine aircraft and we expect the squadron to be fully equipped by March 2019.

The LCA Final Operational Clearance (FOC) contract of 2010 seeks Air-to-Air Refuelling, Operational Data Link (ODL) and better weapons. The FOC is expected in 2019. As far as the LCA Mk 1A is concerned, the first flight is expected by 2020.

The LCA Mk 1A apart from addressing obsolescence issues and maintainability improvements will have additional capabilities such as Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, Air-to-Air Refuelling (AAR) capability, Electronic Warfare (EW) suite and advanced avionics.[/quote

Akash Missile System performed well during exercise Gagan Shakti. A case has been initiated to procure seven more squadrons of Akash Missile Systems (AMS) from BEL. The first Squadron of SPYDER missile was raised on February 16, 2018. Delivery of equipment for the other three squadrons is under way.

The system was also successfully utilised during Exercise Gagan Shakti. The MRSAM programme involves joint development and delivery of Firing Units (FUs) by DRDO in collaboration with Israel Aerospace Industry (IAI), Israel.

The contract for joint development and supply of MRSAM was signed between DRDO and IAI, Israel on February 16, 2009. There has been delay in inducting the system, while the first MRSAM Squadron has already been resurrected in 2015, the equipment should be delivered in 2019.

The S-400 is in use by the Russian Armed Forces since the year 2007. It is a long range anti aircraft missile system capable of intercepting Ballistic missile and low RCS targets like UAVs and cruise missiles. This system would be a game changer in our context and would provide us the much needed layered Air Defence at long ranges. The acquisition process for the system is under way.


The AD framework of the IAF is indeed being revamped. This is on two counts namely, induction of new state-of-the-art systems, and their integration into a completely networked AD system. As far as the induction of new systems is concerned, the process is proceeding smoothly.

There has been a concerted effort to induct cutting edge technology & follow up with indigenous manufacture. The Medium Powered Radar (MPR), Low Level Transportable Radar (LLTR), Low Level Lightweight Radar (LLLWR) categories have all seen infusion of large numbers of indigenously developed and produced radars.

This has increased the sensor density manifold in all sectors, including the mountainous regions in the North and East. Acquisition of HPRs, Aerostats and mountain radars will further reinforce this.

The integration of these increased numbers of systems into a highly automated system was undertaken indigenously with BEL being the lead agency. I am happy to state that the system was tested extensively in the exercise and proved itself as a robust force multiplier. IAF has graduated from a point defence, to area defence and is now moving towards layered defence.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Prithwiraj » 17 May 2020 18:39

Guys....during a recent flypast by Blue Angels over Detroit to salute the first responders of Covid-19 --- a drone operator capturing the flypast came extremely close to one of the jets. I believe the drone was literally 2 feet away from the wing-tip of one of the F-18 Hornet. In such close formation one jet can easily break into other jets taking out the whole formation.

Drone is becoming a hazard for base and asset security and sooner bad folks will get the idea and can try to take out a 40 million dollar jets with a 400 dollar cheap Chinese drones. I hope IAF is having strategies to keep a watch on drone activities close to air bases

Here is a link to the Blue Angels incident


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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Manish_P » 17 May 2020 20:53

Prithwiraj wrote: Drone is becoming a hazard for base and asset security and sooner bad folks will get the idea and can try to take out a 40 million dollar jets with a 400 dollar cheap Chinese drones. I hope IAF is having strategies to keep a watch on drone activities close to air bases


Not just military jets but civilian airliners too. Imagine our airports, especially cities like Mumbai. Slums, and housing colonies, are along on the periphery of the airports. Jihadis with a bit of training and cheap drones (bought via the hawala/black market route) are a potential threat.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rakesh » 19 May 2020 21:29

Indian Air Force shelves three acquisition projects worth over Rs 8,000 crore to support Make in India and due to high cost
https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/indian- ... high-cost/
19 May 2020

The projects which have been suspended include the Air force's plan to buy 38 Swiss Pilatus basic trainer aircraft, 20 additional Hawk planes from Britain, and a plan to upgrade 80 Jaguar fighter planes with engines from America.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby kit » 19 May 2020 21:31

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force shelves three acquisition projects worth over Rs 8,000 crore to support Make in India and due to high cost
https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/indian- ... high-cost/
19 May 2020

The projects which have been suspended include the Air force's plan to buy 38 Swiss Pilatus basic trainer aircraft, 20 additional Hawk planes from Britain, and a plan to upgrade 80 Jaguar fighter planes with engines from America.

I thought all these were cancelled sometime back, nothing new ?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby srin » 19 May 2020 21:40

What is the desi replacement for Hawks ? Is HJT-36 back (we went to two stage from 3 stage because of IJT non-readiness) ?

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby mody » 20 May 2020 14:18

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force shelves three acquisition projects worth over Rs 8,000 crore to support Make in India and due to high cost
https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/indian- ... high-cost/
19 May 2020

The projects which have been suspended include the Air force's plan to buy 38 Swiss Pilatus basic trainer aircraft, 20 additional Hawk planes from Britain, and a plan to upgrade 80 Jaguar fighter planes with engines from America.


The IAF seems to have taken a leaf out of the Central givernments stimulus package book!! All the decisions that had already been taken over the last 1.5 years have are being listed out as sayings being affected by IAF.
All the three deals listed have been dead for a while now.
The more important question is if IAF will buy an equal number of HTT-40 in place of Pilatus, in addition to the eaarlier projected number of HTT-40 and also, whether there will be any other plane being procured in place of additional Hawks.
Can also annouce an additional requirement of 2 squadrons of Tejas-MK1A, to offset the retirement of Mig-27s and Mig21s.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rishirishi » 20 May 2020 15:30

mody wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force shelves three acquisition projects worth over Rs 8,000 crore to support Make in India and due to high cost
https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/indian- ... high-cost/
19 May 2020



The IAF seems to have taken a leaf out of the Central givernments stimulus package book!! All the decisions that had already been taken over the last 1.5 years have are being listed out as sayings being affected by IAF.
All the three deals listed have been dead for a while now.
The more important question is if IAF will buy an equal number of HTT-40 in place of Pilatus, in addition to the eaarlier projected number of HTT-40 and also, whether there will be any other plane being procured in place of additional Hawks.
Can also annouce an additional requirement of 2 squadrons of Tejas-MK1A, to offset the retirement of Mig-27s and Mig21s.

Indian PSU's together with babus from the ministry may have been the greatest setback for Armed forces. LCA dose not have the required range due to design weakness. IHJ was not able to fly, Arjun had ITS weakness, kaveri, INSAS etc etc. Even Abhi was shot down because the communication was jammed. Why did he not have jamproof com.? Because some promise from PSU, to make IT.

The armed forces should choose how to spent the money, and also make their own plans. If the PSU,s dont deliver, they need to be dismantled and new entities created.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Ganesh_S » 21 May 2020 22:03

https://youtu.be/3AHhmDwEamM

footage of lch firing guns and rockets during iron fist.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 21 May 2020 23:16

Rishirishi wrote:Indian PSU's together with babus from the ministry may have been the greatest setback for Armed forces. LCA dose not have the required range due to design weakness. IHJ was not able to fly, Arjun had ITS weakness, kaveri, INSAS etc etc. Even Abhi was shot down because the communication was jammed. Why did he not have jamproof com.? Because some promise from PSU, to make IT.

The armed forces should choose how to spent the money, and also make their own plans. If the PSU,s dont deliver, they need to be dismantled and new entities created.

Did you even read what you've posted before hitting post? Everything you've posted is contrary to the facts.
a) LCA HAS the required range and more - Indranil has posted about its travel from Bangalore to Rajasthan with 800 kgs of fuel to spare. The ferry range is 2800 km (probably higher when final analysis is done and telemetry test equipment is removed).
b) IHJ? I suppose you meant IJT? IJT is flying - who said it is not? It had one failure - lack of ability to spin. That was being addressed and it will emerge as a better plane.
c) Arjun - ITS weakness? What is that? Arjun is the finest tank in Asia. It is the corrupt IA procurement system that asks for trials after trials in place of placing orders. And the crappy tank - T90 that could not complete the tank biathlons ( two T90s broke down) that was beaten in comparative trials by Arjun was ordered by IA in thousands. And your brilliance is blaming the PSUs.
Can you provide any details supporting Abhi's shoot down due to com equipment?

Nowhere in the world do we see opinions even close to this about your own products. It is very disappointing to see opinions like this - critical of domestic products while we gleefully embrace poor, exorbitantly priced foreign products. The Mig-29k has been disappointing in the amount of maintenance, the other Mig-29s have never overcome their smokiness. Imagine if the Chinese had such doubts and criticisms would they have been the arms exporting powerhouse they are today? Personally, I consider such opinions as treason because they not only harm the military preparedness but also the economics because they help deny high paying jobs in the local economy.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby sankum » 22 May 2020 00:02

My personal choice is 36 more Rafale are ordered in 2022-26 time period and IAF goes for 216 MWF @,32/year in 2026-33 timeperiod in place of MRCA2.0.
But the IAF is basically eyeing for 150 nos Rafales as the silver bullet for 2 front war and only 6 sq MWF.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby basant » 22 May 2020 00:30

Vivek K wrote:...
a) LCA HAS the required range and more - Indranil has posted about its travel from Bangalore to Rajasthan with 800 kgs of fuel to spare. The ferry range is 2800 km (probably higher when final analysis is done and telemetry test equipment is removed).
...


With Tejas we should also keep reminding that as of now even Mk1 is better than Jaguar! See the following for quick references:

1. Air Marshal Nambiar in SALUTE on Tejas IOC!
It must be stated that the LCA Mark 1 and Mark 1A are very good aircraft. We recently conducted a major exercise called Gagan Shakti, and the LCA performed remarkably well. The best range scores and the best weapon delivery emerged from the nine LCAs we had fielded, which really worked wonders.This gives me the confidence to state that the LCA will see us through the next 20 years, if not more, in technological capability terms.


2. HVT on Twitter:
Raj Malhotra @drukkk · Jan 23
Replying to @hvtiaf
Can you throw some light on Tejas low flying ability?
Can it take up DPSA role of Jaguar?
Is its Delta wing versatile enough for jaguar type long range low level flying (with external fuel tanks offcourse)?

Harsh Vardhan Thakur @hvtiaf · Jan 23
Yes, i think no problem in that. Tejas can exceed Jags.


3. HVT again on Twitter:
Harsh Vardhan Thakur @hvtiaf · Sep 23, 2019
Replying to @hellfire_81 @CestMoiz and @SoumyaR57322232
As it's already a widely acknowledged fact, Jag has a significant RoA. It's noteworthy that LCA is even better.


4. HVT on ferry range(?) on Twitter comparing with Jagaur
Harsh Vardhan Thakur
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For weapon trials, it goes from Bangalore to Jaisalmer direct. Even Jaguars can't do that. So whatever the combat radius, it's pretty good.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Rishirishi » 22 May 2020 03:26

Look here, we all want Indian products to succeed. It may even make sense to accept a lower quality/capability in the interest of becoming self sufficient. India will however be doing itself a disfavour if it loses ability rectify mistakes.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Vivek K » 22 May 2020 03:34

Rishirishi wrote:
Look here, we all want Indian products to succeed. It may even make sense to accept a lower quality/capability in the interest of becoming self sufficient. India will however be doing itself a disfavor if it looses ability rectify mistakes.

Respond to rebuttals of your points and we will understand if you're attacking just to attack or if there is any substance to your points.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Mort Walker » 22 May 2020 09:10

Vivek K wrote:
Rishirishi wrote:
Look here, we all want Indian products to succeed. It may even make sense to accept a lower quality/capability in the interest of becoming self sufficient. India will however be doing itself a disfavor if it looses ability rectify mistakes.

Respond to rebuttals of your points and we will understand if you're attacking just to attack or if there is any substance to your points.



Vivekji,

You got it wrong. Rishirishi wants the IAF to operate on aircraft only on lithium ion batteries and wants a supersonic fighter/bomber jet to self charge by putting solar panels on the wings. That way it has 20,000 KM ferry range before taking it to the nearest Tesla charging station. The IAF needs to build massive battery storage facilities for its massive solar farms.


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