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Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Singha » 17 May 2017 15:34

Sources told The Tribune that an all-weather 255 km road connecting Darbuk in eastern Ladakh to DBO will be ready by 2017 and its progress is being monitored from South Block in Delhi.

The road between Leh and Darbuk exists, beyond that it’s dodgy. In winter, Army vehicles use frozen Shyok river to cross over. In summer, that option is ruled out as water flow from snow melt is rapid. Troops on induction have to cross a high-pass on foot.
The previous road — built at a cost of Rs320 crore and constructed between 2000 and 2012 — was too close to the Shyok and got washed away. Around 160 km of it is being re-aligned to make it access in every weather.

The DBO sits just 10 km from the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China in Aksai Chin. The IAF carries out landing of its transport planes on mud-paved advanced landing ground at the DBO. The road will dominate the LAC in Aksai Chin. The Indian and Chinese Army have had face-offs in 2013 and 2014 in the area.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 96494.html

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Singha » 17 May 2017 15:36

1 mech/armour brigade with organic rudras/LCH and supporting artillery regiments will be 500tons of supplies needed daily.
how many trucks you have on road to the drop off point from depots in Leh and manali side depends on the quality of the roads ... a slow 20kmph type road will need more trucks to keep the supply chain pipe full with daily drops. empty trucks will returning making for busy 2 way traffic

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby SriJoy » 18 May 2017 00:09

kapilrdave wrote:
SriJoy wrote:
For example, you say Manasarovar should be one of our core objectives. Well fine, but if it is to ever become our 'core objective', then we need to start defining what the border around this 'core objective' would look like.

You are right about defining the borders. From the practicality POV, we should not mind gifting Mansarovar to Nepal. That way it will be a very small stretch of the border for Nepal than India's. Nepal in any case is well and truly part of the Akhand Bharat. So it should not be an issue for us.


If it is a 'very small stretch' of the border, then Manosarovar becomes like VaishnoDevi, sitting just a few kms from the border and always under threat.
Ergo, not a 'core' but right on the frontline. We cannot have the idea of some location being a 'core issue' and then just drawing a border 15kms from it. That is asking to fail, since no hostile power will leave alone a 'core issue' of its nemesis that is right at the border.

No, if Manasarovar is to be ours (or enter our fold via Nepal), the border with China cannot be just mere kilometers from Manasarovar or Kailash.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby kapilrdave » 19 May 2017 15:00

^^ Having Mansarovar into India/Nepal's border is the minimum we should aim. If Mansarovar comes into frontline, so be it. It will not be the first important place to be on the border (Punjab?). It is not part of us anyways at the moment. It's a holy place of Hindus and we must be able to reach there more easily and cheaply. On top of that, it's our pride.

In any case what we are supposed to achieve by winning the war with China apart from protecting our existing border? What is there for us if we don't snatch some of the territories back? The Mansarovar is the most useful place for the ordinary citizen apart from some militarily important posts.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 19 May 2017 21:09

Chinese roads and presence in Aksai Chin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-CKlBQdWTI

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby SriJoy » 19 May 2017 21:48

kapilrdave wrote:^^ Having Mansarovar into India/Nepal's border is the minimum we should aim. If Mansarovar comes into frontline, so be it. It will not be the first important place to be on the border (Punjab?). It is not part of us anyways at the moment. It's a holy place of Hindus and we must be able to reach there more easily and cheaply. On top of that, it's our pride.

In any case what we are supposed to achieve by winning the war with China apart from protecting our existing border? What is there for us if we don't snatch some of the territories back? The Mansarovar is the most useful place for the ordinary citizen apart from some militarily important posts.


You misunderstand me. If we aim for the minimum, our achievement are at best, minimum. If we are to treat the Manosarovar as a holy place and pilgrimage destination, we cannot have it as a war-zone. I am sure its preferable to not have a mass visited civilian site few kms from the border of a hostile nation. In case of Punjab or Kashmir, we did not have a choice. In an offensive war, the choice is ours. I am not saying give up on Manosarovar, i am saying, if we have plans for it, we need to be realistic about this 'core issue' and cannot just settle for the immediate hills around Manosarovar- the border would need to be 200-odd kms away from it to be a secure zone. My aim is to investigate the potential for such a border zone.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Prasad » 19 May 2017 23:29

While their airlift capability is yet to be put to the test, a lot of shivering arises out of that long long railway line. If hostilities begin, what is to stop us from raining missiles to drop a dozen bridges between Nagqu and Lhasa. Nagqu has a massive logistics facility right next to the railway station too.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 20 May 2017 06:59

An air warrior says - stop crapping in your chaddis..
http://epaper.indianexpress.com/c/19176147
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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 28 May 2017 07:53

Airbus starts building helicopter plant in China
QINGDAO, May 27 (Xinhua) -- Airbus Group's helicopter manufacturing arm began construction of its first assembly line for commercial aircraft in China Saturday.

The plant, located in the city of Qingdao in eastern China's Shandong Province, will be jointly operated by Airbus Helicopters and Qingdao United General Aviation Company.

The plant will be completed in 2018 and is designed to produce 18 H135 helicopters a year, but capacity could be further raised according to demand, company sources said.

The first aircraft is likely to be rolled out in 2019.

Airbus Helicopters CEO Guillaume Faury said the assembly line demonstrated a commitment to cooperation with China's rapidly growing aviation industry.

The H135 is a popular light helicopter in China, mainly used in medical aid, rescue, police surveillance, fire fighting and tourism.


The H135 has a hover ceiling of 12000 feet as per Airbus' own brochure - so this is unlikely to appear soon in the border areas, supplying troops.
http://airbushelicoptersinc.com/product ... ations.asp

Tibet has an average altitude of over 4000 meters. But this is an example of Airbus investment for "make in China". It is up to us to speculate on how this "screwdrivergiri" will help China


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