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Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Jul 2017 22:54

Iyersan wrote:I don't think the matter would escalate.

Even if this matter doesnt escalate, china will not take this matter lying down for sure. As they say price of freedom is eternal vigilance. They will come for sure

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ashish raval » 02 Jul 2017 02:42

China with its open anti-India attitude expects us to not retaliate. It seems that China before it collapse economically wants to use their reserves to good use. None of the nation in Pacific are going to budge so let's try India.

Guess what!! Chinese do not understand India very well and so they try to use pissfull as a guide to understand how India is likely to respond in case of a conflict. I guess they have overestimated their power without necessarily estimating Indian strength.

I am close to being sure that Chinese would have done some math on Indian strength and weakness and cone to conclusions that in 5-10 years time, conflict with India will be a bloodier one and more detrimental than now and nearly impossible to win in 2 decades.

They only have very small window of opportunity in next two years and that will be gone because India will be too strong and self sufficient by then.

I am forwarding Chinese economy collapse in 2 years time when their debt will cross 300 percent and would need to borrow even more just to pay the interest on previous borrowings. All their gets will go wrong a) Pakistan b) NoKo c) OBOR d) Africa e) South China sea f) low cost manufacturing g) south America and they will end up loosing money and will only have themselves to blame - err Communists..I believe..

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby anupamd » 02 Jul 2017 11:20

The unspoken grudge for the Chinese is that Indian army maintains a permanent base in Ha valley Bhutan which is 2 days trek from the area in question. This base primary objective is to ensure that China does not engage in any incursions through Bhutan. Our relationship with Bhutan at all levels, from royalty to commoners, is one of the closest and often underplayed and overlooked in the mainstream Indian media. Needless to say, China will never be able to play any mischief through Bhutan.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby rohitvats » 02 Jul 2017 16:27

My analysis of the latest China India stand-off in Bhutanese territory:

http://vatsrohit.blogspot.in/2017/07/doklam-plateau-india-bhutan-and-china.html

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 03 Jul 2017 07:38

^^
Rohit - that is the best article I have read on the topic. Kudos.

Meanwhile I had a completely unexpected disk crash and my main loss is hundreds of Google earth placemarks that I had made for my China videos. Anyone - only one last one was half - done. I will do it later and start focusing on something new..

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Singha » 03 Jul 2017 07:42

Shiv had a same exp at home recently. was triggered it seems by hooking a new monitor to the laptop. I suggest weekly backups to google or msft free cloud storage. about 15gb of free in each

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby pandyan » 03 Jul 2017 08:09

At the minimum turn on windows history and backup to external usb hd. They are very affordable anyway. Windows history also protects against accidental overwrites as it tracks versions

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 03 Jul 2017 08:23

Thanks for the suggestions. I have too many backups of too many things in duplicate and triplicate. I have 8 HDDs sitting in the cupboard ranging from 160 GB to 500 GB all working all changed before a disk crash occurred. Add 3 external drives totalling 1.5 TB. It should be illegal to have more storage than sense

This was a 15 month old 1 TB drive where the Linux partition and GRUB boot area got corrupted by a power surge and was unrecoverable using every trick and recovery method in the book. The other 3 partitions on the disk with data were untouched I had everything backed up except GE placemarks because.
a) I did not expect the disk to crash so soon
b) It was not important enough

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby DrRatnadip » 03 Jul 2017 13:51

shiv wrote:^^
Rohit - that is the best article I have read on the topic. Kudos.

Meanwhile I had a completely unexpected disk crash and my main loss is hundreds of Google earth placemarks that I had made for my China videos. Anyone - only one last one was half - done. I will do it later and start focusing on something new..


Sir chinese are trying to hack your computer.. :rotfl:

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 03 Jul 2017 14:58

DrRatnadip wrote:
shiv wrote:^^
Rohit - that is the best article I have read on the topic. Kudos.

Meanwhile I had a completely unexpected disk crash and my main loss is hundreds of Google earth placemarks that I had made for my China videos. Anyone - only one last one was half - done. I will do it later and start focusing on something new..


Sir chinese are trying to hack your computer.. :rotfl:

+108

Definitely The same thing that caused the Su-30 accident hacked my computer

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Iyersan » 03 Jul 2017 15:09

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 422611.cms
'India violated border ahead of Modi's US visit to show Washington it can contain China', says Chinese media :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby DrRatnadip » 03 Jul 2017 15:31

Iyersan wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-violated-border-ahead-of-modis-us-visit-to-show-washington-it-can-contain-china-says-chinese-media/articleshow/59422611.cms
'India violated border ahead of Modi's US visit to show Washington it can contain China', says Chinese media :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


China is learning this art of playing victim from biggest victim of terror i.e. porkiland..
P.S. I will be very happy if this news is true :wink:

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 08 Jul 2017 22:34

New video: India-China standoff at Doklam plateau.

Geographical info courtesy Rohit Vats
http://vatsrohit.blogspot.in/2017/07/do ... l?spref=tw

https://youtu.be/6IXlLdtKIxQ

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Jul 2017 01:14

Thanks shiv Saaar .,.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Rakesh » 10 Jul 2017 10:06

Despite Breathing Fire, The Dragon Knows It Cannot Beat India Back From Doklam
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=263074

'Third Country's Army' Could Enter Kashmir At Pak's Request: Chinese Media
http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=263090

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Eric Leiderman » 11 Jul 2017 01:03

Time to invite the Tibetian prime minister who is in exile to be our chief guest for Republic Day

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jul 2017 01:34

Humiliating Defeat of '67 (India) and '79 (Vietnam) remains a sore thorn in China's glorious military rise
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=263147

India will burn itself if it creates trouble over Tibetans: Chinese daily
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=263125

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jul 2017 01:41

I wanted to post this in the "Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc" thread, but it is locked.

Reminds me of Bhutto's bombastic bullsh!t, that we will eat grass if we have to...but we will get the nuclear bomb. Insha Allah!

I am dying laughing after reading this :rotfl:

We’ll make CPEC a success, come what may: COAS
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1456715/we ... -may-coas/

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jul 2017 01:45

Admins...where does this go? Truly hilarious!!

Suppressing religious freedoms: Chinese imams forced to dance in Xinjiang region :rotfl:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879/sup ... ng-region/

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 Jul 2017 02:53

Rakesh wrote:Admins...where does this go? Truly hilarious!!

Suppressing religious freedoms: Chinese imams forced to dance in Xinjiang region :rotfl:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879/sup ... ng-region/

This one made a dull thursday truly hilarious. Some masterpieces

The imams were also forced to tell children that prayer was harmful for the soul.

looks like a nice mujra

“our income comes from the CKP [Chinese Communist Party] not from Allah”.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jul 2017 06:27

Modi cited Vikramaditya era pact to counter China's 1890 Doka La accord
http://www.firstpost.com/india/get-this ... 04149.html

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby arshyam » 14 Jul 2017 19:37

^^ :lol: Perfect way to end the week

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby disha » 15 Jul 2017 00:53

I think we need to add Zhuang Shivering to the lexicon.

And I propose the title of the thread to be changed to:

"Latest Chinese poke: should we zhuang shiver or die laughing in our dhotis"

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 15 Jul 2017 06:46

disha wrote:I think we need to add Zhuang Shivering to the lexicon.

And I propose the title of the thread to be changed to:

"Latest Chinese poke: should we zhuang shiver or die laughing in our dhotis"


:lol: Good one. I need to remember to use it..

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby manjgu » 15 Jul 2017 18:32

just crossed Tangste otw chushul.... mass of new structures to house Hodson horse !! all the horses visible from the road !!

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby disha » 15 Jul 2017 20:24

The way doklam issue has ended up as a stalemate for China is very embarrassing for China. Other countries in S.E Asia will make Chinese zhuang shiver now.

If tiny Bhutan can stand up to China (albeit with some help from India) why cannot Vietnam, Burma, Laos, Thailand, Taiwan & Philippines?

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Kakarat » 15 Jul 2017 20:53

Sikkim standoff: 'China didn't foresee India stepping in to defend Bhutan'

An aggresive China did not anticipate India stepping in a strong manner to defend Bhutan's territorial sovereignty during its unilateral move to build a motorable road from Dokala in Doklam area towards the Bhutan Army camp in Zornpelri, according to Ryszard Czarnecki, vice president of the European Parliament.

...

"China's propaganda machinery has gone into an overdrive to implicate India for the border stand-off, conveniently glossing over the fact that China had taken the first step to change the status quo of the tri-junction area that it had committed to maintain under the Agreement on Maintenance of Peace and Tranquillity, signed with India in 1993. China is now insisting that it would not hold any dialogue on the matter till Indian troops withdrew from the area," Czarnecki says in his article.

He concludes by saying that "China needs to realize that its unprecedented economic and military growth must go hand in hand with respect for international rules. Without that, it will be hard to believe in assurances of 'win-win' and 'shared destiny' by the Chinese leadership.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby schinnas » 15 Jul 2017 23:29

Hakeem ji,
Should this thread be closed. The question raised in the title of the thread has been answered by you and others factually (thanks a lot to your videos).

The Doklam issue has applied the final nail on the coffin of empty PLA boasts.

Do you think it would help to consolidate India Cheenaa discussions in fewer threads so some valuable ob serrations don't get lost.

May be you see a different long term purpose for this thread.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Guddu » 16 Jul 2017 00:42

Agree, one thread (Managing cheeni treat) is better. Original question has been answered.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 16 Jul 2017 06:09

This thread has a history going back many years. It was not possible to write anything to mock or criticize China on the existing threads without inviting a reprimand from an uptight forum member of how and why we should respect China and look at all our failures and weaknesses. This thread was a space for those who did not want such lectures, or alternatively those who simply wanted to express fears and anxieties about China.

Suddenly a whole lot of Indians seem to have grown some spine now on all China threads. I would not be fooled by this. That spine can melt away with one single negative news report, Even right now on these forums there are subtle indicators of our incompetence and inferiority and Chinese greatness.

For example sitting here in Karnataka it is overcast and it is raining over the whole country let alone just the state. A "chaiwala" report says that LCA gun trials could not be held because of bad weather and I see the tears welling up and breasts starting to get beaten with grief. On the other hand there are a number of countries actually working on quantum entanglement - most of them are not superpowers or making grandiose announcements. Not even the US. China is coming up with a great number of announcements including a claim of teleportation - a word that is best known from science fiction. So no one is allowed to joke about the Chinese. A few sarcastic quips and then we have a finger wagging lecture about how "superpowers" get ahead.

Deep fear and anxieties about China among Indians lie just under the surface. We will be back to the good old days soon enough. Fear and respect is what the Chinese expect from us and that is exactly what many of us want to give them. But some people want to wear soosai and show neither fear nor respect. This thread was lung space for them. I have no control over closing threads but we have the option of ignoring this thread.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby disha » 16 Jul 2017 08:12

This thread must remain.

We need the option to do zhuang shiver in this thread since in other threads we are already dhoti shivering.

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Postby arshyam » 16 Jul 2017 14:18

Seconded, let this thread remain to keep the analysis on Chinese "potemkin" strengths. Keeping it active will also help us share it on other fora and spread the word. If closed, it will get archived somewhere and lost.

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Postby schinnas » 17 Jul 2017 01:17

shiv wrote:This thread has a history going back many years. It was not possible to write anything to mock or criticize China on the existing threads without inviting a reprimand from an uptight forum member of how and why we should respect China and look at all our failures and weaknesses. This thread was a space for those who did not want such lectures, or alternatively those who simply wanted to express fears and anxieties about China.

Suddenly a whole lot of Indians seem to have grown some spine now on all China threads. I would not be fooled by this. That spine can melt away with one single negative news report, Even right now on these forums there are subtle indicators of our incompetence and inferiority and Chinese greatness.

For example sitting here in Karnataka it is overcast and it is raining over the whole country let alone just the state. A "chaiwala" report says that LCA gun trials could not be held because of bad weather and I see the tears welling up and breasts starting to get beaten with grief. On the other hand there are a number of countries actually working on quantum entanglement - most of them are not superpowers or making grandiose announcements. Not even the US. China is coming up with a great number of announcements including a claim of teleportation - a word that is best known from science fiction. So no one is allowed to joke about the Chinese. A few sarcastic quips and then we have a finger wagging lecture about how "superpowers" get ahead.

Deep fear and anxieties about China among Indians lie just under the surface. We will be back to the good old days soon enough. Fear and respect is what the Chinese expect from us and that is exactly what many of us want to give them. But some people want to wear soosai and show neither fear nor respect. This thread was lung space for them. I have no control over closing threads but we have the option of ignoring this thread.


Makes sense. I was just concerned about some relevant commentary getting lost because of too many threads and took a narrow view based on the title of the thread. Coming to think of it, it may be possible that this thread may have something to do with some of the forum members growing spine in recent days.

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Postby schinnas » 17 Jul 2017 01:30

OT warning:

The bit about Chinese teleporting something seems a legit science experiment. Probably media went crazy with over extrapolated possibilities. They seem to have just teleported information and not actual matter and it was an experiment explored by others but Chinese were the first to do it over long distances. Not bad actually.

https://www.space.com/37506-quantum-tel ... tered.html

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 17 Jul 2017 07:36

schinnas wrote:OT warning:

The bit about Chinese teleporting something seems a legit science experiment. Probably media went crazy with over extrapolated possibilities. They seem to have just teleported information and not actual matter and it was an experiment explored by others but Chinese were the first to do it over long distances. Not bad actually.

https://www.space.com/37506-quantum-tel ... tered.html

Science is always about repeatability. We have seen Ramar Pillai's fuels from water as well as "cold fusion" being more or less trashed.

Here the Chinese claim some breakthrough. Those who are are in the business will know the difficulty involved in making little breakthroughs and will want to know what might have been done to achieve that. Typically this happens in academic papers and presentations and not via popular media. Nowadays "science" is announced through popular mainstream media and is instantly swallowed by the public.

The original paper is here
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.00934.pdf

I cannot make out head or tail of it

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Jul 2017 08:46

Another aspect of these exaggerated reports on msm of to get increased funding

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 17 Jul 2017 09:23

ArjunPandit wrote:Another aspect of these exaggerated reports on msm of to get increased funding

Anything I say in this regard is liable to be taken as "wishful thinking" - but I have noticed - just in the last 4-5 years a massive increase in Chinese propaganda about how they are suddenly up there with the US - whereas only 6-8 years ago - right here on this forum we only used to see photoshopped propaganda photos.

Assume that there really was some deep, secret research happening in China, and that to my mind leads to two conclusions
1. That secret research seems to have skipped a lot of developmental steps from medium tech to cutting edge tech in every sphere which sounds very suspicious to me.
2. There is obviously a media blitz now - where all that research that was kept secret till 5 years ago is not being announced every day as a big success in every tech field

If some acquaintance of mine boasted in this manner I would rapidly stop believing him. But doing that about China is difficult because Indians warn me that I am stupid and I am "ignoring China" and I am therefore somehow indulging in anti-national behaviour by making people less anxious about Chinese developments compared with Indian incompetence.

My attitude is that I must be insane and that there is a place for insane people on this earth.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Guddu » 17 Jul 2017 09:46

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/828981/China-genetic-engineering-super-soldiers-dogs link could have racy pictures !
Image

Chinese are advancing spectacularly, currently demonstrating super dooper muscle technology on dogs, on the way to building superhumans, unkil already has that technology.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Karthik S » 17 Jul 2017 11:42

Aha so this is how they are going to march their soliders through Tibet into Delhi. Just saw Game of Thrones, Night's King men marching towards the "border" wall. Can imagine similar scene.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Jul 2017 15:33

^^I should have been more clear, my point is that there is a possibility that US media laps these news items more easily to get funding from their govt. 1. As you said, they seem to be progressing faster in areas way faster than say what it takes to US, UK, germany et al. This sounds very ridiculous to me in today's world,
2. but from for a layman I dont want to rule out the possibility that germans progressed way faster than anyone in during the period of WW2.
3. My personal opinion is that right now its lot of photoshopping and paki style: burraq boasting with some real stuff and that is amplified1000s of times.
4. While we may not need to dhoti shiver now, but sleeping at wheels of R&D car is never helpful and if lastly if that doesn't lit fire in our behinds for taking MIC research more seriously, God knows what else will.


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