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Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby sudhan » 08 Mar 2017 15:38

shiv wrote:*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... ite_note-9 - Wiki notes that this was an 8 kt explosion


H-bomb? Do H-bombs have small yields? Wiki says its a tactical nuke.. From the description in the article (dimensions 6 ft and weight 1 ton) seems like an early tactical nuke design to me..

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 08 Mar 2017 17:47

sudhan wrote:
shiv wrote:*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... ite_note-9 - Wiki notes that this was an 8 kt explosion


H-bomb? Do H-bombs have small yields? Wiki says its a tactical nuke.. From the description in the article (dimensions 6 ft and weight 1 ton) seems like an early tactical nuke design to me..

In the story - Chairman Mao wanted a H-bomb tested "to raise morale" of the PLA. This pilot was the guinea pig - or it may have been a bluff from day 1 - not a H bomb at all. In those days H bombs had to get megatons or the testing country would die of embarrassment. The first mission failed and perhaps they sent up a sure fire device so that the bomb designers would not be slaughtered by Mao.

But this whole business of "testing to improve morale", "testing to send a signal" or "punish India" is emblematic of Chinese behaviour even today

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby chola » 08 Mar 2017 18:10

That's was a good read though. Especially about the failed launching and having to bring the live nuke back to the empty base because everyone was scared shitless. lol

Sounds like what we in the US calls a Mickey Mouse operation or Amateur Hour. It does humanize them, I must say. (And I share a bed and intimate space with a chini for a decade but there are still times when this porcelain-skinned creature in front of me doesn't seem of this world.)

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Philip » 08 Mar 2017 18:39

Keep these facts in mind gents,the PLAN is being given the largest share of the def. budget and China is now calling itself an "Ocean Power". Ironic as India for thousands of years was the predominant "Ocean Power" in the Asian/Indo-China region. Time for India to also start boasting about its former glory in the Indo-China region and Sea and its exploits just as the "Beijing ducks" boast about their great eunuch Adm. Zheng He.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017030810 ... eans-seas/
The Fast Boat to Chinese Sea Dominance: Naval Boost to Project Beijing's Power

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 10 Mar 2017 08:16

shiv wrote:No this thread is not forgotten. Am working on it - thinking of suitable ways to present the info
Airfields relevant to us:
Image


Tibet Air bases - the few there are - are all over 3500 meters (save one)

Read this for perspective on how 200 Y 20s will land a division of Chinese troops in 24 hours. Or 6 hours
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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ranjan.rao » 10 Mar 2017 10:57

chola wrote:(And I share a bed and intimate space with a chini for a decade but there are still times when this porcelain-skinned creature in front of me doesn't seem of this world.)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: :rotfl:
now I know why you are for outright ban of Liu :p

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Garooda » 11 Mar 2017 06:15

Not sure if anyone noticed but chini_psyop..check it out. They boast about how they are home to a dozens of different ethnic groups including mongols, tibetans etc. Keep knocking that kakkaa on everyone's head thru live stage shows (shen yun) to somehow steer the mindset. Yaani ke abhi se salesmangiri aur marketing shuru. :lol: Uski maa kaa.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 11 Mar 2017 07:21

^^This is Taiwanese and is a slap on the face of the Communist party
http://www.shenyun.com/spirituality/challenges-we-face
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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Garooda » 13 Mar 2017 18:37

^^ In that case I stand corrected. Wish Bollywood/Tollywood/Kollywood/Mollywood :rotfl: can use soft diplomacy to promote Indian Strategic Objectives.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby chola » 17 Mar 2017 14:52

ranjan.rao wrote:
chola wrote:(And I share a bed and intimate space with a chini for a decade but there are still times when this porcelain-skinned creature in front of me doesn't seem of this world.)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: :rotfl:
now I know why you are for outright ban of Liu :p



I want a ban of Liu because his presence on the thread creates a situation where the jingos among us feel the need to swell their breasts defend bharat's honor so there is never any serious discussion about the one major nation we have as a neighbor.

Secondly, his poor english and inane posts give us nothing that we can't get from PDF.

Finally, I am tired of the PRC sending us this same old retread of a 50-center. It is an insult to our forum that we do not get better treatment in the form of more and better chini propaganda operatives whom they deploy in Unkil and UK forums. So I rather we say fvck you to the PRC's propaganda organ and ban their one dreg!

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby hnair » 17 Mar 2017 15:07

Garooda wrote:Not sure if anyone noticed but chini_psyop..check it out. They boast about how they are home to a dozens of different ethnic groups including mongols, tibetans etc. Keep knocking that kakkaa on everyone's head thru live stage shows (shen yun) to somehow steer the mindset. Yaani ke abhi se salesmangiri aur marketing shuru. :lol: Uski maa kaa.


Those birds are not PLA. Shen yun is Falun Gong types, trying to fit the "chinese culture before commies" into western mindsets. They are *probably* funded by Culinary Institute's benevolent grants, considering their high value productions and excellent calendar management in western venues :)

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Garooda » 17 Mar 2017 21:04

hnair wrote:
Garooda wrote:Not sure if anyone noticed but chini_psyop..check it out. They boast about how they are home to a dozens of different ethnic groups including mongols, tibetans etc. Keep knocking that kakkaa on everyone's head thru live stage shows (shen yun) to somehow steer the mindset. Yaani ke abhi se salesmangiri aur marketing shuru. :lol: Uski maa kaa.

Those birds are not PLA. Shen yun is Falun Gong types, trying to fit the "chinese culture before commies" into western mindsets. They are *probably* funded by Culinary Institute's benevolent grants, considering their high value productions and excellent calendar management in western venues :)

Yea. I missed the quote in the original link. I know Bollywood has been approached by the West for soft diplomacy in Afghanistan and Pakistan but they should start such grand scale international live shows for Nepal, Tibet, Assam, AP etc.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby ranjan.rao » 18 Mar 2017 02:46

chola wrote:Finally, I am tired of the PRC sending us this same old retread of a 50-center. It is an insult to our forum that we do not get better treatment in the form of more and better chini propaganda operatives whom they deploy in Unkil and UK forums. So I rather we say fvck you to the PRC's propaganda organ and ban their one dreg!

There was no need to explain this, i took the freedom of just light bantering with you (the emoticon should have helped). We both understand the same thing just that my inference/opinion about him is different from urs.

I can see exhaustion in ur post, again on a lighter note (no lecturing), perhaps visiting this forum is not the best thing for ur sanity :) :)

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Atmavik » 19 Mar 2017 05:29

Ever watched those chinese defence shows and wondering WTH they are talking about? some one has added hindi dubbing to it. its about the ABM

warning: nothing serious here watch for comedic relief. posting it here as the thread contains "the Die Laughing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhH3mcaby_s

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 19 Mar 2017 08:02

Atmavik wrote:Ever watched those chinese defence shows and wondering WTH they are talking about? some one has added hindi dubbing to it. its about the ABM

warning: nothing serious here watch for comedic relief. posting it here as the thread contains "the Die Laughing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhH3mcaby_s

:rotfl:

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby deejay » 19 Mar 2017 09:03

Atmavik wrote:Ever watched those chinese defence shows and wondering WTH they are talking about? some one has added hindi dubbing to it. its about the ABM

warning: nothing serious here watch for comedic relief. posting it here as the thread contains "the Die Laughing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhH3mcaby_s


Thank You Saar. Had a good time. :rotfl:

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 19 Mar 2017 22:40

As I work on to try and post an understandable description of Chinese intrastructure - my own mind is filling up with facts and statitstics and names become familiar. and as that happens I am able to recognise shoddiness in scholarship and how the magnitude of studying China makes people too lazy to get into detail and enables then to skip facts and publish errors which are transmitted as fact

Now here is an article by a think tank called IPCS written by a woman called Teshu Singh. The following sentence caught my eye:
http://www.ipcs.org/issue-brief/china/i ... y-204.html
China is planning to build a 256 km extension of the 1956 km Golmud –Lhasa railroad to the Nepal border by 2014.


There is an error there that to me is only shoddiness and is inexcusable because we don't know how many more such errors exist. The entire railway from Xining to Lhasa is 1956 km. The Golmud-Lhasa segment is about 1100 km. Golmud itself will be within range of maurauding Jaguars, Su-30s and Rafales. But I will try and address these details in a presentation - most probably in the form of 2-3 videos with narration

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby NRao » 20 Mar 2017 19:24

This article seems to have some numbers for PLAAF that may be of interest.

The introduction of fourth-generation fighters, bombers, unmanned aircraft and advanced cruise missiles has transformed it from a defensive force to one that can project Chinese power throughout Asia and its eastern Pacific sea board. Its current modern combat aircraft holdings include 73 Su-30 MKK, 75 Su-27, 24 J-16, 205 J-11, and 250 J-10 fighters. They operate 120 H-6 bombers, and 16 Ilyushin IL-76, 69 Shaanxi Y-8/Y-9 transport aircraft among others. China developed the KJ 2000 AEW&C with radar and avionics mounted on IL-76 aircraft. China has also developed the KJ-200 by installing a simplified system on board the Shaanxi Y-8. Plans are to modify a Boeing 737-800 to host the radar. KJ-3000, a newer variant with next generation radar is already under development.

On April 6, 2015, a new Chinese KJ-500 AEW&C based on Y-9 turboprop airframe (An-12 copy) entered service and will eventually replace the eleven KJ-200s in service. There are also four export models of the same (ZDK-03) in Pakistan. Shaanxi Y-9/Y-8 based 20 Electronic warfare aircraft and 4 Tupelov Tu-154 ELINT aircraft are for support roles. 10 Xian H-6 are the main aerial refuellers along with a few IL-78. PLAAF has nearly 150 helicopters include Z-9, Z-18, Mi-8/Mi-17, and Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 21 Mar 2017 23:23

OK folks - I have nearly finished doing what I can to study the India-Tibet border in the North East. I will start with a video explaining basic geography and the main roads that pose a threat.

I will follow these with separate videos each detailing railways, airfields and two heavily militarized areas near Tawang and Nathu la.

After that I will move on to the area west of Nepal and South of Aksai Chin.

I have already done an article on Aksai Chin and will probaby not bother doing a repeat of that as video. Too late to start the uploads tonight.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 22 Mar 2017 08:58

This will be the first in a series of videos about Chinese military and strategic infrastructure in Tibet. Please excuse any deficiencies - this was a sort of practice video in which I was coming to grips with the possibilities offered by Google earth. 3-4 more videos will follow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wUkKcSBtss

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 26 Mar 2017 10:51

OK here is the second of my video series on Chinese infra in Tibet

"Chinese Airfields of Relevance to India".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKc4AwM6KA


The next video is likely to be about the China-Tibet railway

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Deans » 26 Mar 2017 11:26

Excellent videos Shiv. Its a good primer for anyone interested in the subject.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby Deans » 26 Mar 2017 11:37

NRao wrote:This article seems to have some numbers for PLAAF that may be of interest.


Most of these aircraft are deployed in the East. The number of PLAAF aircraft in the Western military region were mentioned in an earlier post
of mine . There are a max of 96 modern aircraft ( J11/J10/ SU 27) can be deployed against us, with 24 in reserve. This is not formidable - even considering the depleted strength of the IAF.
However, the threat from these aircraft to us, is further diminished by the distance from the border they have to operate from
(or the severe payload penalty here taking off from high altitude airstrips as Shiv's video highlights). Add to that, the need for the PLAAF to
maintain a CAP at different points along the border to prevent the IAF attacking the ring road highway and the roads leading to the border.
The Chinese roads and forward airfields are particularly vulnerable as attacking aircraft will be masked by the mountains, giving the defenders little warning of their approach and even near misses on the narrow roads can cause landslides, which road clearing parties, operating at very high altitudes, will find difficult to fix.

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Re: Latest Chinese boast: should we shiver or die laughing?

Postby shiv » 26 Mar 2017 11:41

Deans wrote:Excellent videos Shiv. Its a good primer for anyone interested in the subject.

Thanks Deans. I am hoping to provoke interest and further study.

While Chinese military developments are undoubtedly awe inspiring, we also need to separate the hype from hard facts. It really is not easy to get to Tibet from China - road or no road, railroad or no railroad. Unless Indians understand their weaknesses we are going to spend all our energy in worrying about how we will get kicked rather than exploiting what are obvious military problems that China faces.

I bet you, like me and everyone else was taught the geography of Europe and Australia in school, but nothing beyond the Himalayas. And regarding history, the less said the better.


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