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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Dileep » 13 Feb 2017 10:02

Marten wrote:
Dileep wrote:Yes. KH2011 is parked in the static display view area, and I saw some common folk going up and checking it out yesterday.

Dileep saar, would be happy if you could take some time on Wednesday so we can go do taank-jhaank of the layout. Can't fly it but at the least, we can do the simulation. :-)

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 13 Feb 2017 10:10

Prasad wrote:Bus routes and fares - https://twitter.com/BMTC_Bangalore/stat ... 85920?s=09

BMTC ‏@BMTC_Bangalore 18h18 hours ago

Attending #AeroIndia2017? Get on our buses and we'll drop you at the venue!

Special services on both regular and Vayu Vajra buses. pic.twitter.com/2p0kPrHY7Z

^^ So the airport Volvos will also stop at YNK.

Fare and routes (these are regular buses, Volvo fares will be like the airport bus, per the tweet):
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http://www.mybmtc.com/news/operating-ex ... 7-show-reg
Operating extra buses for Aero India-2017 show reg

to facilitate public visiting Aero India-2017 Show, to be held from 14.02.2017 to 18.02.2017 BMTC is operating special buses to Indian Air Force Centre located at Yelahanka, Bengaluru. As the flying display is at 10.00 am and 02.00 pm from 14.02.2017 to 18.02.2017, BMTC has taken necessary steps to operate buses from different parts of the city to the place of show from 08.00am onwards on these days. These special services are operated mainly from Kempegowda Bus station, Maniksha Parade ground near M.G.Road, Hebbal Ring Road Junction, Banashankari, Kengeri and Central silk board areas.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby rahuldevnath » 13 Feb 2017 10:25

Few pictures from the FDR

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Waiting for The BR Album for 2017 to be up. Few more pics can be viewed at my Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/rahuldevnathphotography/

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby asgkhan » 13 Feb 2017 11:49

Great move by BMTC to have buses for aeroindia. Me and SHQ will give it a shot on Friday. I was planning to hire a driver for the day as I did not want to get tired and frustrated driving.

Will be fun on Saturday when 5 lac abduls and ayeshas land up @ the show. I will hire a driver for Saturday though.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby vina » 13 Feb 2017 12:06

When is the timings for the Air Display ? I think I will get the ADVA ticket and slink off without telling the kids (who will insist on coming along) and take the BMTC Volvo to and from the show.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby siddhu » 13 Feb 2017 12:38

For people who are yet to collect tickets or yet to register ....I heard that you can pay directly at the counter and get the tickets:

Official Site outlets to collect tickets:
https://aeroindia.in/IMG_6916.jpg

SAP Labs to Whitefield Aero show ticket center:
Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/NxJWNxT5KES2

CCD Koramangala Aero show ticket center :
Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/1ZiYjXshMX52
CCD Koramangala Aero show ticket center:
Ph Num: 90713 81544 (u can call CCD before going to check if person issuing ticket is present)

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 13 Feb 2017 12:58

siddhu wrote:For people who are yet to collect tickets or yet to register ....I heard that you can pay directly at the counter and get the tickets:

Official Site outlets to collect tickets:
https://aeroindia.in/IMG_6916.jpg

SAP Labs to Whitefield Aero show ticket center:
Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/NxJWNxT5KES2

CCD Koramangala Aero show ticket center :
Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/1ZiYjXshMX52
CCD Koramangala Aero show ticket center:
Ph Num: 90713 81544 (u can call CCD before going to check if person issuing ticket is present)


Thanks for the info. Here on the leaflet they mention that Visitor pass worth 1500 is valid for 17th and 18th. But the registration page on the site says only for 18th. Why can't they be clear on this small thing..???

And their contact number given on the website is not accessible. Great..


BTW, no live telecast of Aero India Seminars this time..?? I can't find any link from their site or from google.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Prasad » 13 Feb 2017 14:31

vina wrote:When is the timings for the Air Display ? I think I will get the ADVA ticket and slink off without telling the kids (who will insist on coming along) and take the BMTC Volvo to and from the show.

10 am and 3pm? I think.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 13 Feb 2017 14:37

Since I had some time this morning, decided to get an early look at AI. Usually Monday of the AI week is reserved for defence officials day. There will be a full show performance. I was supposed to meet up with some defence dude and sneak inside along with them. Unfortunately, he could not make it due to an emergency and I was stranded near Yelehanka AFB. Decided to hang around to watch the display from outside. There was Yak team display followed by LUH flyby, LCH flyby and Rudra+Dhruv flyby. Note none of them performed any air show manoeuvres. The.re were two LCA departures followed by one landing at least. I waited till noon...no Su-30, Gripen, Rafale, F-16 etc. So, can anyone confirm the roster of display? I might go on Wed for ADVA. I was disappointed today. Please note that carry Water bottle and a baseball cap/hat for protection.

Edit: Saw helicopters at around show centre which may be good 0.5 Kms from perimeter of the base. It is possible that I may have confused Dhruv with LUH, but the chopper looked like a single engined and not twin. Also saw a lot of our desi products taking off and heading towards the city. Perhaps they will be parked over night at HAL and fly to Yelehanka from there (?)

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Prasad » 13 Feb 2017 15:19

Wfh today too. Can confirm none of the jets did any displays until now. No noise at all except for a couple of LCAs early on.Couple of Mi helicopters aroudn the same time.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby shiv » 13 Feb 2017 16:23

Got plastic card passes from Coffee Day JP nagar next to RV Dental college after showing barcode printout. Tickets being sold also
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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 13 Feb 2017 18:07

I will wait for some already present BRF members (Vishal et al) to confirm the roster of display before making ADVA purchase. May have to push my visit date from Wed to Thu. I am pretty sure SKAT will be performing (given that there are pics of them practising). Also per Livefist Article, Netra will do a demo. C-17 I think will...at least it did last time around. But it is indeed surprising to hear consecutive lack of jet displays.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby shiv » 13 Feb 2017 18:26

Interview with Air Marshal (R) Philip Rajkumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEoKfMQzciQ

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bhaskar_T » 13 Feb 2017 18:27

:cry: Hindi-Cheeni Bhai Bhai :cry: but why !!

Apologies in advance but I feel that Aero India 2017 will have the gracious presence of the Manhoosiyat (what's the english word for this) now ..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/in-a-first-chinese-delegation-at-aero-india/articleshow/57122959.cms

BENGALURU: In a first, a Chinese delegation will be participating at Aero India, and what the delegation may look for is already a topic of discussion.
The Chinese delegation will have five officers from the air wing of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The five, according to sources are: Maj Like Yiu, Col Huang Xinyang, Lt Col Joan Jiaji, Maj Gen Wang Qiang and Sr Col Gao Zhikuan.

Terming this a major development, officials said that until now there was a cautious approach and now the government has become proactive.

In the 2011 edition, Chinese journalist Li Miao had stormed into the defence minister's press conference and interrupted ASK Antony's (then defence minister) speech. Complaining about her struggles, she had said: "...Mr Antony, I congratulate you on the show, which I think is a great success, but I want to tell you that I had not received passes until this morning and I still do not have passes to cover the remaining of the show, are we (China) really invited for this show?"

Chinese had never participated in the show and with even the Chinese media never really entertained wholeheartedly, the delegation this time is likely to garner a lot of attention.


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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JTull » 13 Feb 2017 18:32

Bhaskar_T wrote::cry: Hindi-Cheeni Bhai Bhai :cry: but why !!

Apologies in advance but I feel that Aero India 2017 will have the gracious presence of the Manhoosiyat (what's the english word for this) now ..

In the 2011 edition, Chinese journalist Li Miao had stormed into the defence minister's press conference and interrupted ASK Antony's (then defence minister) speech. Complaining about her struggles, she had said: "...Mr Antony, I congratulate you on the show, which I think is a great success, but I want to tell you that I had not received passes until this morning and I still do not have passes to cover the remaining of the show, are we (China) really invited for this show?"


Perhaps she should have attempted interrupting her on defense minister in China and found out after 20 years of RI working on CPEC breaking stones by hand.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 13 Feb 2017 19:00

shiv wrote:Got plastic card passes from Coffee Day JP nagar next to RV Dental college after showing barcode printout. Tickets being sold also <img snipped>

Sir do you know if one can walk in and purchase a business pass (not sure if these are classified as tickets), or do we have to necessarily register and pay online beforehand?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby shiv » 13 Feb 2017 19:25

arshyam wrote:
shiv wrote:Got plastic card passes from Coffee Day JP nagar next to RV Dental college after showing barcode printout. Tickets being sold also <img snipped>

Sir do you know if one can walk in and purchase a business pass (not sure if these are classified as tickets), or do we have to necessarily register and pay online beforehand?

Take photu id and payment with you and have it all done there. I was first in queue and the guy after me looked like someone's driver - with 6 aadhaar cards in his hand for tikats. Pass/tikat all the same - this year made of plashtic and credit card size.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 13 Feb 2017 19:54

Pure speculation onlee. There were two Tejas departures from AI right after each other. Both of them came back after 30 mins and I witnessed landing of one of them. It is possible that these are customer demo flights...perhaps took the potential customer pilots' on a sneak peak ride.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 13 Feb 2017 20:34

shiv wrote:
arshyam wrote:Sir do you know if one can walk in and purchase a business pass (not sure if these are classified as tickets), or do we have to necessarily register and pay online beforehand?

Take photu id and payment with you and have it all done there. I was first in queue and the guy after me looked like someone's driver - with 6 aadhaar cards in his hand for tikats. Pass/tikat all the same - this year made of plashtic and credit card size.

Thanks, will try it tomorrow.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2017 20:51

deejay wrote:17th is good.

deejay if full court of BRF members are coming please explore:

- Regular 3 month meetings
- think tank 2.0 of next level action
- Creation of a BRF Study Circle, Plan should be one in each major city.
- And Baluchistan.

thanks, ramana

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby deejay » 13 Feb 2017 21:37

ramana wrote:
deejay wrote:17th is good.

deejay if full court of BRF members are coming please explore:

- Regular 3 month meetings
- think tank 2.0 of next level action
- Creation of a BRF Study Circle, Plan should be one in each major city.
- And Baluchistan.

thanks, ramana


Noted, Sir. Will try get a critical mass for starting things.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 13 Feb 2017 23:09

Does anyone know how to view the Aero India seminar videos?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 14 Feb 2017 01:10

Indranil wrote:Does anyone know how to view the Aero India seminar videos?


Don;t think they are telecasting. I couldnt find link anywhere.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Feb 2017 07:14

Zynda wrote:I will wait for some already present BRF members (Vishal et al) to confirm the roster of display before making ADVA purchase. May have to push my visit date from Wed to Thu. I am pretty sure SKAT will be performing (given that there are pics of them practising). Also per Livefist Article, Netra will do a demo. C-17 I think will...at least it did last time around. But it is indeed surprising to hear consecutive lack of jet displays.

Yesterday was a rest day for crew after all the practice flights, hence not much activity.. The big jet performance include Rafale, Grippen, Tejas, Su30, SkAt, Sarang, F16 and two other foreign aerobatic teams. AEW&C bird does a small flyby as well along with LCH, Rudra and LUH. Htt40 and Hawk-i haven't been seen yet by me so I am not sure although my friends have seen them perform.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Nick_S » 14 Feb 2017 10:00

AeroIndia live on Twitter now (from AK). Flypast soon.

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/831357602567118848

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 14 Feb 2017 15:03

arshyam wrote:
shiv wrote:Take photu id and payment with you and have it all done there. I was first in queue and the guy after me looked like someone's driver - with 6 aadhaar cards in his hand for tikats. Pass/tikat all the same - this year made of plashtic and credit card size.

Thanks, will try it tomorrow.

Went to the MG road CCD this morning. Chap with an HAL badge was sitting with laptop and card printer. Showed ID, paid by debit card on a normal PoS machine (no OTP, phishing site fears etc.) and got the pass. They accept cash as well. 3-4 people in line. Total 10 min.

Recommend this for those who plan to go on Sat.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 14 Feb 2017 15:21

Got meself an ADVA ticket at CCD JP Nagar. Probably will be heading to AI on Thursday :)
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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Dileep » 14 Feb 2017 15:47

Lots of interest for the FBL stuff. Didn't get time to go out at all.

Nice meeting deejay. Hoping to meet more of the jirga tomorrow.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Marten » 14 Feb 2017 18:40

Going day after due to work constraints. Looking forward to seeing the AMCA and the BR debates after that. Does Safran have a large presence?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Feb 2017 20:27

All I could spot today so far is the Chalet, no stall yet..

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 14 Feb 2017 21:41

^^ What's the chalet, btw? My pass says "access except chalet and tarmac", or something to that effect.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Feb 2017 22:47

It's like a lounge for a company to invite dignitaries and have discussions in a more secluded and comfortable environment..

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby ashmaharaj » 14 Feb 2017 22:49

HI

Is there an option to collect the passes at the airport. Myself and couple of my friends are travelling from chennai and we have registered for the 16th. All the confirmation we have is an SMS. We will be reaching banglore at 7.30 and are planning to go straight to the venue. Is there an option to collect the passes at the venue itself on the day of the show

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby shiv » 14 Feb 2017 22:52

ashmaharaj wrote:HI

Is there an option to collect the passes at the airport. Myself and couple of my friends are travelling from chennai and we have registered for the 16th. All the confirmation we have is an SMS. We will be reaching banglore at 7.30 and are planning to go straight to the venue. Is there an option to collect the passes at the venue itself on the day of the show

I believe there is..

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Marten » 14 Feb 2017 22:56

Bala Vignesh wrote:It's like a lounge for a company to invite dignitaries and have discussions in a more secluded and comfortable environment..

As expressed very eloquently: Hum tum ek Chalet me bandh ho, aur tender ho jayein. #MakeinIndia

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 00:29

Can somebody do me a favor and take a good picture of the underneath of the LCA Navy Mk2 model? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Karan M » 15 Feb 2017 01:14

HAL reportage on its helicopters
http://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/4761976045.pdf

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby akshat_m » 15 Feb 2017 02:07

Indranil wrote:Can somebody do me a favor and take a good picture of the underneath of the LCA Navy Mk2 model? Thanks in advance.


noted sir. will certainly try to get that angle . Any one (not visiting) who needs any specific photo or has any query regarding a platform can let me know here...ill be visiting tomorrow morning at 9..would be glad to help.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 02:07

Since I won't be attending AI as a business visitor, I am hoping BRF members attending exhibition halls can ask the following questions. Please feel free to leave out any questions which may seem irrelevant or trivial.

1. Apart from ADA & NAL, are there any private SME involved in design of components/sub-assemblies for AMCA? If yes, try to get some names please. (please be cautious on how the 2nd part of the question is framed...no unnecessary paranoia needs to set in the mind of the official). Note: One can always say that he/she is an aerospace professional who is passionate about getting involved with product development activities, especially indigenous ones and is always on the lookout for possible avenues or opportunities. The above implies that if names of companies are given, I will check out their website or try to find a contact and check for suitable opportunities. Just a suggestion :)

2. Any major changes in air frame design from LCA to AMCA i.e. is usage of composites gonna go up from LCA to AMCA. If yes, is composites usage gonna expand to primary structures as well i.e. major components of Wings (spars, stringers, ribs etc.) and fuselage (frames, longerons etc). Edit: LCA already has a full CFC wing structure...but the fuselage is metallic. So, the question should be, what percentage of fuselage of AMCA is planned to be Composites.

3. Also materials sourcing. I think currently for LCA, the raw materials are being sourced from Italy. Any efforts to indigenize the above?

4. Improvement in Manf: We are supposed to get auto layup of pre-preg plies machines from Rafale (?) and possibly even more from singled engine contract. What indigenous efforts are being undertaken in collab with Private industry to achieve the above? Or will ADA-HAL wait for manf offsets from Rafale & single engined contracts to sink in and utilize that experience.

I am almost dozing as I type this. I will try to post more tomorrow when I am more awake.

Others please help to expand the above...lets try to make it a living document for the next couple of days at least.
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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 02:37

akshat_m wrote:
Indranil wrote:Can somebody do me a favor and take a good picture of the underneath of the LCA Navy Mk2 model? Thanks in advance.


noted sir. will certainly try to get that angle . Any one (not visiting) who needs any specific photo or has any query regarding a platform can let me know here...ill be visiting tomorrow morning at 9..would be glad to help.

Thank you.


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