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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby A_Gupta » 15 Feb 2017 03:31

I don't see this posted yet:
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/thales-seizes- ... 017-716057
Thales, a multinational company that provides services for aerospace, defence and transportation has sized up an opportunity in the India's "Make in India." The company announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding with the government's Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to explore prospects to jointly make Starstreak missile under technology transfer at Aero India 2017 on Tuesday (Feb 14).

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 03:51

Akshat_m,

Will also please ask the Rafael guys the following question: In the following schematic, the Lite Shield pod has been shown at a weapon station which does not currently exist on the LCA. LCA has a gun at that location. Therefore, how foes Rafale propose to carry out this configuration?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby PratikDas » 15 Feb 2017 05:21

Cross-posting from LCA thread:

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Indian Air Force ‏@IAF_MCC: CAS ACM BS Dhanoa on top of LCA Tejas after his sortie at Yelahanka today during Aero India 2017

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Feb 2017 07:55

Indranil wrote:Can somebody do me a favor and take a good picture of the underneath of the LCA Navy Mk2 model? Thanks in advance.

Indranil ji,
The model depicted is without any extended landing gear for Mk2. Got to say that the ADA and DRDO have done some good work in stall design this year, dividing it into subsections based on what kind of technology it is displaying instead of just a lab. ADA has made a very visually exciting display of the LCA models of all marks with a display underneath showing terrain flowing below trying to simulate the flight of the model it self.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby abhik » 15 Feb 2017 08:28

Any updates on the Uttam radar for the LCA?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Feb 2017 09:07

On Uttam, they have displayed the whole radar system on it chassis. Apparently the radar will get deployed on the Tejas in 6-12 months for integration and testing.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 09:47

Bala Vignesh wrote:On Uttam, they have displayed the whole radar system on it chassis. Apparently the radar will get deployed on the Tejas in 6-12 months for integration and testing.


Really..?? I don't think this AESA radar from this latest tender would come on LCA in next 6-12month. And whats the status of Uttam as a system, all SW done?? Say its put on the jet for testing, how long they are expecting to take to fully qualify it..?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 12:10

Bala Vignesh wrote:The model depicted is without any extended landing gear for Mk2.

I have a fair idea of the MLG. I actually want to see the modified MLG fairing.

On the Uttam, I really wanted to hear what they said at the Aero India Seminar. There was another talk on preliminary design of a desi amphibious aircraft which I was very interested in.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Philip » 15 Feb 2017 12:17

Great pity can;t come,relatives from abroad visiting,"outlaws" too! MP's statement today about firang OEMs needing to get their country's permission first before setting up anything in India (single-E fighter),is a dampener for some. Advantage Sweden what?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Feb 2017 12:26

Indranil wrote:I respect IAF for many things. But please don't ask me to respect IAF for what it is not: a champion for indigenous development. While, I can't speak for IAF of yore, IAF in the last decade has been anything but supportive of the Indian aviation industry.

Thankfully, the IAF is starting to come around in the last 2-3 years. However, I think Manohar Parrikar has had a big hand in that change.

Cross posting from LCA thread, this time IAF's Maintenance Command has set up a stall showing samples of quite a few components like springs, washers, some electronic boards, etc for vendors to evaluate and to try manufacturing locally. This I believe is a big step towards developing an ecosystem that MSME's can venture into.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 13:05

Anyone can confirm that one can buy Business pass directly at the venue..??

I think I will go tomorrow but haven't made payment yet. On the site it says it would take minimum one day to reach payment to DEO. I don't want to take risk. Last time I bought ADVA pass on the venue itself. But can't remember if they were giving Business pass as well or not.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JTull » 15 Feb 2017 16:42

JayS wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:On Uttam, they have displayed the whole radar system on it chassis. Apparently the radar will get deployed on the Tejas in 6-12 months for integration and testing.


Really..?? I don't think this AESA radar from this latest tender would come on LCA in next 6-12month. And whats the status of Uttam as a system, all SW done?? Say its put on the jet for testing, how long they are expecting to take to fully qualify it..?



Livefist: The Indian LCA Navy’s Big Fight Back

There’s activity on the radar front too. Balaji’s team will freeing up LCA Tejas LSP-2 shortly for ground integration of India’s indigenous Uttam AESA radar. The ADA has asked the DRDO’s LRDE lab to keep the Uttam’s interfaces as similar as possible to the current system. ‘It will be a challenge, moving from a mechanically scanned radar to the AESA without interface changes but that is the attempt, to save time and forestall any structural changes to the aircraft or radar,’ says Balaji. Interestingly, since the LCA doesn’t have an integrated liquid cooling system necessary for an AESA radar, the team has suggested that a small auxiliary compartment that becomes redundant after the mechanical-to-AESA switch could be utilised to house a liquid cooling system.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 16:58

ADVA for sure, can't tell about business pass. I had bought it ahead of time from CCD.

Full report later, stretching my legs on the bus back home :D

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 17:03

JTull wrote:
JayS wrote:
Really..?? I don't think this AESA radar from this latest tender would come on LCA in next 6-12month. And whats the status of Uttam as a system, all SW done?? Say its put on the jet for testing, how long they are expecting to take to fully qualify it..?



Livefist: The Indian LCA Navy’s Big Fight Back

There’s activity on the radar front too. Balaji’s team will freeing up LCA Tejas LSP-2 shortly for ground integration of India’s indigenous Uttam AESA radar. The ADA has asked the DRDO’s LRDE lab to keep the Uttam’s interfaces as similar as possible to the current system. ‘It will be a challenge, moving from a mechanically scanned radar to the AESA without interface changes but that is the attempt, to save time and forestall any structural changes to the aircraft or radar,’ says Balaji. Interestingly, since the LCA doesn’t have an integrated liquid cooling system necessary for an AESA radar, the team has suggested that a small auxiliary compartment that becomes redundant after the mechanical-to-AESA switch could be utilised to house a liquid cooling system.


Saw the news. Just to make it clear, what I meant was the new AESA we are looking for MK1A, Elta 2052 or whichever other that will be winner of the latest tender, even that won't be going on LCA in 6-12months. But Uttam may need more time to dev/debug.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 17:04

BTW, some confirmed news:
One can indeed climb up to a Tejas cockpit. They let you sit inside when crowd is thin. KH2001 is the plane on view, iirc.
Flypast by the following:
Tejas
Su 30 MKI
Rafale
Gripen
F-16
Dhruv
Rudra (a snazzy looking one on static display)
LCH
LUH
Suryakiran
Saarang
HTT 40

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby akshat_m » 15 Feb 2017 17:06

Indranil wrote:
akshat_m wrote:
noted sir. will certainly try to get that angle . Any one (not visiting) who needs any specific photo or has any query regarding a platform can let me know here...ill be visiting tomorrow morning at 9..would be glad to help.

Thank you.


couldnt go near MK2. It was at a distance. I zoomed in to take clear photo of landing gear from two angles. I do not know how to post them here. I can email them to you.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 17:12

Akshat, use any free image hosting sites and link the photo URL here. http://tinypic.com is one of them.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 17:13

Arshyam, I hope it was just more than a flypast i.e. a demo ranging for about 5-10 minutes

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Marten » 15 Feb 2017 17:35

JayS wrote:Anyone can confirm that one can buy Business pass directly at the venue..??

I think I will go tomorrow but haven't made payment yet. On the site it says it would take minimum one day to reach payment to DEO. I don't want to take risk. Last time I bought ADVA pass on the venue itself. But can't remember if they were giving Business pass as well or not.

Parva jaoo bhau. Mala pan jayche aahe! :D
Was supposed to collect passes today but had a business meeting. Backup says meet me tomorrow evening! So Friday looks like it.
*Fingers crossed.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 17:45

JayS wrote:Anyone can confirm that one can buy Business pass directly at the venue..??

I think I will go tomorrow but haven't made payment yet. On the site it says it would take minimum one day to reach payment to DEO. I don't want to take risk. Last time I bought ADVA pass on the venue itself. But can't remember if they were giving Business pass as well or not.

If you have time, please visit any of the following CCD and buy it saar.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 17:50

Zynda wrote:Since I won't be attending AI as a business visitor, I am hoping BRF members attending exhibition halls can ask the following questions. Please feel free to leave out any questions which may seem irrelevant or trivial.

1. Apart from ADA & NAL, are there any private SME involved in design of components/sub-assemblies for AMCA? If yes, try to get some names please. (please be cautious on how the 2nd part of the question is framed...no unnecessary paranoia needs to set in the mind of the official). Note: One can always say that he/she is an aerospace professional who is passionate about getting involved with product development activities, especially indigenous ones and is always on the lookout for possible avenues or opportunities. The above implies that if names of companies are given, I will check out their website or try to find a contact and check for suitable opportunities. Just a suggestion :)

2. Any major changes in air frame design from LCA to AMCA i.e. is usage of composites gonna go up from LCA to AMCA. If yes, is composites usage gonna expand to primary structures as well i.e. major components of Wings (spars, stringers, ribs etc.) and fuselage (frames, longerons etc). Edit: LCA already has a full CFC wing structure...but the fuselage is metallic. So, the question should be, what percentage of fuselage of AMCA is planned to be Composites.


Folks, who are visiting on business pass, please do remember to ask the above questions. Would be mucho gracias.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 18:02

Marten wrote:
JayS wrote:Anyone can confirm that one can buy Business pass directly at the venue..??

I think I will go tomorrow but haven't made payment yet. On the site it says it would take minimum one day to reach payment to DEO. I don't want to take risk. Last time I bought ADVA pass on the venue itself. But can't remember if they were giving Business pass as well or not.

Parva jaoo bhau. Mala pan jayche aahe! :D
Was supposed to collect passes today but had a business meeting. Backup says meet me tomorrow evening! So Friday looks like it.
*Fingers crossed.

Aaj ch jayacha hota pan ek argent task mule plan cha kachara zala. So udya. :mrgreen:
I have some things in office which I would like to wrap up before weekend. And also I thought Friday might be more crowd-y. Was gonna go today but some very argent thing came up. I paid online now. Got a Reg id. Will collect passes on the venue. None of those CCDs are in my vicinity.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 18:04

Zynda wrote:
JayS wrote:Anyone can confirm that one can buy Business pass directly at the venue..??

I think I will go tomorrow but haven't made payment yet. On the site it says it would take minimum one day to reach payment to DEO. I don't want to take risk. Last time I bought ADVA pass on the venue itself. But can't remember if they were giving Business pass as well or not.

If you have time, please visit any of the following CCD and buy it saar.


Not convenient to go there as well. Been busy in office this week with unexpected load. With all the fun going in AI, its difficult to concentrate on office work. :wink:

I paid online. Lets see.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby shiv » 15 Feb 2017 19:56

arshyam wrote:ADVA for sure, can't tell about business pass. I had bought it ahead of time from CCD.

Full report later, stretching my legs on the bus back home :D

And I was sitting behind him with Yusuf of DFI...

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Nick_S » 15 Feb 2017 20:00

Bangaluru Air Show | Aero India 2017 | Military Choppers & Fighters Perform Aerobatics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OiBrTDb2p4

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 21:31

Zynda wrote:Arshyam, I hope it was just more than a flypast i.e. a demo ranging for about 5-10 minutes

Did I say flypast? Must have gotten distracted when typing on the bus - someone in the seats behind me mentioned 'supreme headquarters' and my RWR picked it up - turned out they were fellow BRFites onlee :mrgreen:

It was definitely a demo - my Su 30 vid alone was 9 min long.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 21:39

arshyam wrote:BTW, some confirmed news: One can indeed climb up to a Tejas cockpit. They let you sit inside when crowd is thin. KH2001 is the plane on view, iirc.

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I re-checked my pics. It's KH-2011.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby suryag » 15 Feb 2017 22:18

LSP1 also has refuelling probe attached ?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 22:20

Indranil wrote:Can somebody do me a favor and take a good picture of the underneath of the LCA Navy Mk2 model? Thanks in advance.

Didn't realize you had asked about the Mk-2. I only got the Mk-1 version, pasting it FWIW.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Cybaru » 15 Feb 2017 22:24

Can someone clarify the production schedule and the total capacity of all three production lines? Second production line is supposed to be 3/4. What about first and third?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby arshyam » 15 Feb 2017 22:36

shiv wrote:
arshyam wrote:ADVA for sure, can't tell about business pass. I had bought it ahead of time from CCD.

Full report later, stretching my legs on the bus back home :D

And I was sitting behind him with Yusuf of DFI...

Yes, that was definitely a pleasant surprise at the end of a long day :D.

P.S. My schedule for Friday opened up, and I would love to attend the jirga. I have sent you an email confirming my attendance.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 22:52

Thank you Arshyam. I can't have enough of the LCA mk1 either. That colour scheme. Fantastic.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Prasad » 15 Feb 2017 23:40

In person, that colour scheme gives it a smoooooth look. No wonder everyone wants that shade of grey on the AF versions. Will post pictures in a couple of days.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby suryag » 16 Feb 2017 00:04

Gurus any new maneouvres from tejas ? Didn't find anything in that video above

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby JayS » 16 Feb 2017 00:21

suryag wrote:Gurus any new maneouvres from tejas ? Didn't find anything in that video above


From what I have seen of practice runs over HAL airport, its looks like the same routine as the one from BIAS.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby siddhu » 16 Feb 2017 00:26

arshyam wrote:
arshyam wrote:BTW, some confirmed news: One can indeed climb up to a Tejas cockpit. They let you sit inside when crowd is thin. KH2001 is the plane on view, iirc.

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I re-checked my pics. It's KH-2011.


With ADVA pass can we go that close?

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Zynda » 16 Feb 2017 00:36

Nope

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Indranil » 16 Feb 2017 00:52

Could somebody visiting ADE's stall ask about the state of Abhyas HEAT. It is the red one in the background.

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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

Postby Bala Vignesh » 16 Feb 2017 01:43

Indranil wrote:Could somebody visiting ADE's stall ask about the state of Abhyas HEAT. It is the red one in the background.

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Indranil mullah,
I did ask about that but the guys manning the stall seemed to be from lower rungs of the ladder and didn't have any useful info. Will ask again today when I visit their stall but apparently it is in final phases of evaluation.

You can also post any more questions you want asked here and I'll try and get those updates.


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