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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby AkshaySG » 08 Jan 2021 07:10

If the IN is gung ho about this carrier aircraft the only system that makes any sense is Rafale-M , The commonality with IAF and already established training/maintanence/spares etc make it a much more sensible option given the alternatives .

But questions need to be asked about Mig 29k evaluation and selection if IN seriously feels like replacing them (or refusing to order more/attrition numbers ) after just 7-8 ? years of carrier ops .

I mean just two years ago Adm Lanba was saying they had figured out the issues and ironed out any supply chain problems .
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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Philip » 08 Jan 2021 10:24

If the no. of carrier aircraft has shrunk from 54 to 34,why not shrink the carrier size to suit the budget too? :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Manish_P » 08 Jan 2021 10:51

Because it is easier and faster to add more aircrafts than it is to add new Aircraft Carriers..

And AC's are multi-decade workhorses aren't they?

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Philip » 08 Jan 2021 12:49

But which birds can operate from the VikA and V-2? Only the 29K and NLCA! The lust for new birds is a sneaky way ,the thin end of the wedge to get the green light for CV# 3

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 03 Feb 2021 06:43

Navy's Ilyushin IL-38SD aircraft fires anti-ship missiles during exercise
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/navys-i ... se-2362103
03 Feb 2021

The Combat Kh35E missiles launched from the aircraft successfully hit and sank the target on January 31, it said.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby sankum » 03 Feb 2021 23:11

India sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"
https://topwar.ru/179644-indija-napravi ... krant.html

India has sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"

India intends to purchase a new batch of Russian MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters, the corresponding request has already been sent to the Russian side. Vladimir Drozhzhov, Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia, spoke about this during the Aero India 2021 exhibition.

Answering a question from journalists, Drozhzhov explained that Russia had received a preliminary request from India for the supply of MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters and had already sent its proposals to the Indian military. Currently, a tender is expected to be announced for the supply of carrier-based aircraft for Indian aircraft carriers, but Russia is hoping for an intergovernmental agreement.


Number of Mig 29k not specified but says INS Vikrant will carry 14 Mig 29K/KUB.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Cain Marko » 03 Feb 2021 23:18

sankum wrote:India sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"
https://topwar.ru/179644-indija-napravi ... krant.html

Number of Mig 29k not specified but says INS Vikrant will carry 14 Mig 29K/KUB.

Good move if confirmed..

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Cybaru » 04 Feb 2021 02:08

They should order 4-6 NLCA for permanent deployment on board these ships to get a lot more useful data for TEDBF. Easy for HAL to build half a dozen within two-three years also.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Aditya G » 04 Feb 2021 02:15

MiG-29K order seems to be attrition replacement at best, at worst some rumour.

IN's fighter acquisitions are now linked to IAC-II.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2021 07:18

They will likely be attrition replacements, especially the twin seater KUB variant.

If they can soldier on with the MiG-29 fleet, till TEDBF is ready it would be great.

INS Vishal will not arrive for another two decades anyway.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2021 07:45

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 55554?s=20 ---> Report: Thanks to 24% rise in Navy's defence capital budget, Indian Navy has adequate funds for signing a deal to buy 10 MQ-9B SeaGuardian UAVs in upcoming financial year, as per an Indian Navy official.

https://twitter.com/daeroplate_v2/statu ... 36864?s=20 ---> Such drones can only do the surface patrol mission, which is also feasible with MRMP C295. if they want to offload the P8 to only ASW, better to kit P8 with ventral SAR radar also for dual-roling the land GMTI mission...reuse/sharing is better than waiting 20 yrs for dedicated

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 56737?s=20 ---> I think we will buy the ASW kit for MQ-9B. Although yes only the P-8I will have the capability to strike subs unless the Mk54 gets certified on MQ-9.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Philip » 04 Feb 2021 11:13

Like it or loath it ,extra 29Ks are the only cost-effective option for the IN for this decade for the 2 CVs. It appears that most problems of the Ks have been sorted out too. In fact,if extras are bought,they should be upgraded ones with AESA radars,etc.,uniformity with Tejas Mk-1A .Retro-upgrades to the first batch later in the decade. Upgraded 29UPGs are supposed to be able to soldier on for at least 3 more ddcades. These 29Ks upgraded would be v.useful assets to complement our future carrier fighters either aboard the flat tops ,or from naval air bases in the ANC,mainland,etc.
In addition, at least a handful of NLCAs bought ,twin-seat for carrier trg. purposes and war reserves. It will give loads of input for our future carrier fighters,TEDBF or preferably the N-AMCA.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby ramana » 04 Feb 2021 11:51

Philip Already IAF is facing Russian minds to supply the 21 Mig 29s.

No point in putting all eggs in that basket.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 05 Feb 2021 01:10

ramana wrote:Philip Already IAF is facing Russian minds to supply the 21 Mig 29s.

No point in putting all eggs in that basket.

And they are playing hardball (over cost) for the 12 Su-30MKIs.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 05 Feb 2021 01:10

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 42912?s=20 ---> Airbus India Chief says talks going on with Indian Navy for the lease of Panther helicopters.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Yagnasri » 05 Feb 2021 17:43

Rakesh wrote:And they are playing hardball (over cost) for the 12 Su-30MKIs.


The recent conduct of Russian now shows that they are slowly trying to distance themselves from us. Atmanirbhar Bharat may be the only way to go now.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Feb 2021 18:16

to be fair to phillip ....i mean russia..are we so sure that is it russians or is it western media?
although the russian mind games become stuff of legend..they did that with Indian on AWAC, and also elon musk

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 08 Feb 2021 23:55

HAL Hands Over ALH Dhruv Mk III To The Indian Navy And Coast Guard
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ast-guard/
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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 17 Feb 2021 22:10

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 19585?s=20 ---> Boeing has signed a deal with Indian MRO firm Air Works to support IN’s fleet of P-8I Neptune MPAs, as well as the IAF’s VIP transport fleet. The deal is under a new Boeing initiative in India called "BIRDS" – Boeing India Repair Development & Sustainment.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

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Quite plainly the Chinese Himalayan adventure was to contain India in its northern front and not to expand in the sea ., read if there is no expeditionary capability envisioned for the Navy ( as in an Aircraft carrier group for example) as a result of this then they have won

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2021 08:19

https://twitter.com/InsightGL/status/13 ... 84192?s=20 ---> Such a proud moment;

- Indian Navy received first two ALH Mk3
- Total 16 to form squadron at Goa
- Glass Cockpit, Foldable Blades, LFDS Sonar, MICU, Belgian 12.7mm gun

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 88227?s=20 ---> Are these with the Elta radar (2022) or the domestic one (XV-2004)?

https://twitter.com/SoumyaR85992873/sta ... 42276?s=20 ---> It's DRDO's MPR (XV-2004).

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2021 08:34

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 00706?s=20 --> Indian Navy's Il-38 "Sea Dragon" can carry two Sea Eagle AShMs. The Indian Navy's Sea King helicopters used the Sea Eagle AShMs, thus they were integrated to the Il-38s for logistical commonality. The upcoming DRDO NASM-SR would replace the Sea Eagles on the Sea King helos & probably the Il-38s too.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Kakarat » 25 Feb 2021 21:05

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/strategic_front/status/1363722702041800706?s=20 --> Indian Navy's Il-38 "Sea Dragon" can carry two Sea Eagle AShMs. The Indian Navy's Sea King helicopters used the Sea Eagle AShMs, thus they were integrated to the Il-38s for logistical commonality. The upcoming DRDO NASM-SR would replace the Sea Eagles on the Sea King helos & probably the Il-38s too.

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I dont think those are Sea Eagles AShM on the IL-38 but Kh-35s

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2021 22:59

Good catch Kakarat. I did not notice that. The Sea Eagle AShM has a more pointy nose, as in the pictures below....

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby srai » 27 Feb 2021 03:51

NASM-SR at 380kg with 55km range has been designed for medium naval helicopters.

There will likely be NASM-MR variant at over 100km for fixed wing MPA. Weight around 500kg. Larger boosters perhaps?

Longer range 200km+ (and heavier 1200kg) would be fulfilled by Brahmos-NG for fighter aircraft.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 10 Mar 2021 06:50

A beautiful photo of the IL-38SD of the Indian Navy.

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 21?s=20--->

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 12 Mar 2021 06:09

Indian Navy pilots to train on Anti-submarine helicopters in the US; MH-60R Seahawks to arrive soon
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... n/2208604/
08 March 2021

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 16 Mar 2021 22:38

https://twitter.com/Parthu_Potluri/stat ... 23873?s=20 ---> We're buying 24 AQS-22 ALFS dunking sonars with our 24 MH-60Rs, but only 20 will be installed, with 4 spares. So we'll be having 4 helicopters without sonar....possibly reserved for MARCOS usage? Remove the modular sonobuoy launcher and you more or less have a Black Hawk cabin.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby srai » 18 Mar 2021 14:49

^^^
Some of the 24 MH-60Rs would need to be used for pilot and crew training, as well as acting as reserves during routine repairs and refit of the fleet.

Most of the system like AQS-22 ALFS dunking sonars and various other equipment seem to be modular in nature so that they can be removed and installed fairly straightforward.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 19 Mar 2021 20:59

https://twitter.com/SwarajyaMag/status/ ... 28994?s=20 ---> “Indian Navy has placed orders for 12 Dorniers, 16 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH MK III), 8 Chetak helicopters by HAL," Shripad Naik, Minister of State for Defence said on Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 03553?s=20 ---> HAL is branding some its Do-228-201 as Hindustan-228-201.

"HINDUSTAN 228-201 is derived from Dornier 228-201 for which data was transferred through transfer of technology agreement."

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby AkshaySG » 19 Mar 2021 21:21

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/SwarajyaMag/status/1372483086819028994?s=20 ---> “Indian Navy has placed orders for 12 Dorniers, 16 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH MK III), 8 Chetak helicopters by HAL," Shripad Naik, Minister of State for Defence said on Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 03553?s=20 ---> HAL is branding some its Do-228-201 as Hindustan-228-201.

"HINDUSTAN 228-201 is derived from Dornier 228-201 for which data was transferred through transfer of technology agreement."


We're still ordering Chetaks... Is the IN still only using ALH from shore based facilities? or is there some other reason they still prefer the old bird

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby YashG » 20 Mar 2021 00:09

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1371501946687823873?s=20 ---> We're buying 24 AQS-22 ALFS dunking sonars with our 24 MH-60Rs, but only 20 will be installed, with 4 spares. So we'll be having 4 helicopters without sonar....possibly reserved for MARCOS usage? Remove the modular sonobuoy launcher and you more or less have a Black Hawk cabin.



How long will dunking sonar stay safe with IDAS ?

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 30 Mar 2021 23:49

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/13766 ... 71808?s=20 ---> Aircraft for INS Vikrant are already visible on INS Vikramaditya. TEDBF will replace the older twin-engine fighter when it is due for retirement, in the future. There is enough time for development of new-gen operational features on TEDBF. No other aircraft fit the Indian scheme.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby viveks » 31 Mar 2021 03:38

the naval LCA could be a good experimental aircraft. It looks so weird.. :D . They should just use it for experiments.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Philip » 31 Mar 2021 12:20

With CV#3 on the shelf in favour of SSNs, the need for the 50+ carrier strike aircraft will also be redundant. How this isgoing jo afffct the TEDBF/ NLCA plans remains to be seen.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby sankum » 31 Mar 2021 13:17

If there is no IAC 3 the requirement of TEDBF will reduce to 70 nos from 100 nos by 2040 for the present 2 carrier.

TEDBF is still viable.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 31 Mar 2021 19:28

sankum-ji, there are two TEDBF variants - STOBAR and CATOBAR - as per Project Director Vinod Kumar. He mentions it at some point in this video ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOKhRzAhp8

So initially, the STOBAR variant will come out and then followed by the CATOBAR variant. The first flight is scheduled for 2025/2026. This will be the STOBAR variant. Enough time for TEDBF development to start replacing the MiG-29K in the early 2030s as planned.

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby Rakesh » 31 Mar 2021 19:35

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 04072?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy will lease only 'new' helicopters from OEMs, instead of helicopters which are already in service with Indian civilian operators. The Indian Navy plans to lease 16-24 choppers for utility roles.


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