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https://twitter.com/AN_Command/status/1 ... 52738?s=20 ---> Lieutenant General Ajai Singh, AVSM, Cdr-in-Chief, ANC congratulates INS Utkrosh on being awarded the Best Maintenance Unit amongst Naval Air Stations. The professional standards of the aviation maintenance team at INS Utkrosh remains the force behind Air Operations from the sentinels of India's far East. Well Done!

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https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... 87714?s=20 ---> State of the art MiG-29K flight simulator inaugurated at INS Dega, Vizag by Vice Admiral AB Singh FOC-in-C, ENC. INS Vikrant, is likely to be based at Visakhapatnam, the headquarters of Eastern Naval Command.

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https://twitter.com/drajaykumar_ias/sta ... 69604?s=20 ---> Met the bright 1st batch of the Indian Navy undergoing training on MH-60R helicopters at US Naval base San Diego. These modern war machines will add tremendous firepower to Indian Navy.

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Boeing delivers 11th P-8I Neptune MPA To Indian Navy
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/145 ... 80399?s=20 ---> JUST IN: Indian signs ₹423 crore deal for more U.S. Mk54 torpedoes for the Indian Navy’s P-8Is.

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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/livefist/status/145 ... 80399?s=20 ---> JUST IN: Indian signs ₹423 crore deal for more U.S. Mk54 torpedoes for the Indian Navy’s P-8Is.
https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 37771?s=20 ---> Key acquisition to enable the Indian Navy P-8I to realise its full potential as a flying frigate. Message to any Navy "exploring" our waters - you will be prosecuted.
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 03969?s=20 ---> Report: Indian Navy will replace Zhuk-ME radar onboard carrier based MiG-29K/KUB fighters with indigeneous Uttam AESA radars. Has 2x the performance of Zhuk-ME and far better MTBF.
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Dont know if this has been posted already..


Sky jump tests with #Rafale M will start in a few weeks in India.

https://twitter.com/RafaleFan/status/14 ... 5034700805
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SidSoma wrote:Dont know if this has been posted already..


Sky jump tests with #Rafale M will start in a few weeks in India.

https://twitter.com/RafaleFan/status/14 ... 5034700805
Lol just read the link he linked, he posted Rafale M write up from 2020 to add credibility to his fake news.
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But if you think from a different perspective - This is not a bad idea (and yes, I am changing my opinion from Navy should not be buying Rafale to buying it). Here is the consideration/logic -
Rafale M fulfills our Aircraft carrier need (I don't think we will buy more than say 36 of it for Navy, good for one air craft carrier). Extra Mig 29K then can be used by IN to extensively fight the air/land battle with TSP and Chicoms. Yes, it gets into IAF domain, but what to do, IAF has no need for Mig 29 K, plus it has not been able to make up its mind on what it needs next - more Rafale, or MFRA or xyz. You buy 36 Rafale for them and they dont want extra 36 Rafale rather they want MFRA. They do not know they need LCA MK2 or even want to update MKI. They cannot make up their mind, while we are in dire needs of planes.
This is where extra Mig 29K and IN Rafale come in. If any of the Aircraft carrier is operational during a time of crisis (aircraft carriers are only operational 25% of the time), and if the tactical environment calls for Mig 29 K or Rafale to be on the carrier, then great they will be there, else these two squadrons under IN pilots can again serve the air war in western and northern theater. They have to train a little harder (for sea and land and air battles), practice jointmenship and all that (goal of theater command). These aircrafts would be dual tasked, for land and air battle. Maybe half the time IAF pilots practice on it and other half IN (or some combination). Till that time we can pray that IAF in its infinite wisdom can make a decision fast that is in line with our financial and national capability.
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@VKumar's question raise another very India Question in my brain. What's the average ? :)
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https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/147023 ... 26177?s=20 ---> MiG-29K is confirmed to get the Uttam AESA radar, HAL Mission computer, Astra missile, Litening pod, Griffin LGB, and BEL SDR. I hope that it gets the radar planned for MWF, along with its IRST, D-29 EW suite, Brahmos NG, & all other planned weapons & sensors from MWF program.
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 53831?s=20 ---> Indian Navy to upgrade 10 Kamov Ka-28 ASW helicopters with IAI Skimmer upgrade packages which will improve their capabilities manifold, reports Israeli media.

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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 00417?s=20 ----> IAI upgrading Indian Navy’s Ka-28 helicopters. IAI’s Skimmer ASW/ASuW Maritime Mission Suite being fitted on Ka-28s of the Indian Navy -- part of the life extension program. Technical life extension of the Ka-28 is to be performed by Kamov in Russia, while the integration of the advanced maritime mission suite will be performed by Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. in India. Skimmer package includes sensors & systems, advanced Sonar & Sonobuoys, Radar, ESM, Data Link, communication, operator stations, weapons integration, etc.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 58241?s=20 ---> Skimmer integrates advanced mission systems, sensors/avionics, Radar, Electronic Warfare Support Measures ESM, Electro Optic Payloads, Datalink, Communication Intelligence (COMINT), Sonar, Sonics, Mission Management and Monitoring Systems, Anti-Ship Missiles (ASM) + other weapons.

https://twitter.com/Krish9670/status/14 ... 35590?s=20 ---> Upgrade of eyes & ears of otherwise robust airframe, overall better performance. Navy surely knows how to get best bang out of its modest budget.

https://twitter.com/pwalia10969/status/ ... 07535?s=20 ---> Agreed - Ka 28's are a proven platform and enhancing the avionics suite is a shrewd move. Nice complement to the Seahawks.

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I wonder why the Navy would invest their scarce CAPEX into countering enemy submarines. Just get a CATOBAR carrier. It will solve everything. The fighters on board the aircraft carrier will engage and destroy all :P

https://twitter.com/cvkrishnan/status/1 ... 28641?s=20 ---> 18 P-8Is, 24 MH-60Rs, 4 Kamorta class, 14 Ka-28s and 16 ASW-SWC. Quite the robust Anti-Submarine Warfare capability for IOR we are developing.
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French Defence Minister Offers Rafale Jets For India's 2nd Aircraft Carrier
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/french- ... er-2656618
17 Dec 2021
The French minister also referred to India's planned induction of a second aircraft carrier and indicated that France will be interested to supply the carrier-based jets. "We know that the aircraft carrier will soon be (there)...that aircraft are needed. We are open and ready to provide any other Rafale if this is India's decision," she said. India's first home-made aircraft carrier (IAC) Vikrant is scheduled to be inducted into the Indian Navy by August next year.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 53831?s=20 ---> Indian Navy to upgrade 10 Kamov Ka-28 ASW helicopters with IAI Skimmer upgrade packages which will improve their capabilities manifold, reports Israeli media.
Sweet. wondering if the Russkis managed to do the IFR refit that was on the cards ages ago. It seems DAC cleared more Ka31s for AEW (Vikrant?) a couple of years ago too.

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Ka 28 only 10 in service
Ka 31 total 14 in service with clearance for 6 more for a total figure of 20.
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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 50405?s=20 ---> HAL's AURDC* has launched a new upgrade program for MiG-29K of the Indian Navy. The UPG program involves integration of indigenous mission computers, laser pods, indigenous AAM and laser-guided bombs. HAL has initiated the integration of the Astra AAM on the MiG-29K.

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HAL’s R&D wing launches upgrade program for MiG-29K
https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... k-7679396/
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https://stratpost.com/indian-navy-has-a ... -aircraft/

Indian Navy has a new plan to buy fighter aircraft

Subtitle : But some of the aircraft it's considering can't operate from aircraft carriers

The IN plan is to buy 26 MRCBF , down from 57
This is taking into account the TEDBF plan..

Even more interesting is the MRCBF plan - to supply a budgetary quote for the selected aircraft at the AON approval stage itself, rather than go through a long drawn out RFP or tender process thereafter. This is not a listed procedure per DPP but if it happens can reduce overhead, timeline etc significantly

One key requirement is for the aircraft to be CATOBAR capable. (Likely to have flexibility with IAC-3, potentially also cross decking with US or French carriers)

One potential hiccup is that the navy ideally wants 1 single seat and 8 twin seat aircraft, yet the Rafale M is only single seat. The navy will have to decide whether it will accept 8 land based twin seaters.

Both the Superhornet and the Rafale are expected to show off their chops at the shore based test (ski ramp) facility in INS Hansa, Goa in the next 4 months.

As for the can't operate tag it either refers to the Rafale twin seat or likely refers to a previous stratpost article on the lift dimensions.

Excerpt from stratpost was discussed here in BR
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The larger forward lift, beside the carrier’s superstructure, is 18.8 x 9.9 metres, while the Super Hornet’s wings fold to just under 10 metres and the Rafale’s wings, slightly less than 11 metres wide, do not fold at all. The aft lift is narrower, with an 8.6-metre width that is barely able to fit the MiG-29K’s 7.5-metre folded span.

The real ‘show stopper’ for the entire MRCBF requirement, however, is the configuration of IAC-1. Unlike Vikramaditya, and like most contemporary carriers, the aircraft lifts on IAC-1 are positioned on the starboard edge of the deck allowing longer aircraft to ‘hang out’ over the water with only their landing gear on the platform. But because the carrier was designed around an air wing of MiG-29Ks and Naval LCAs, the lifts were sized for wingspans no larger than eight metres. 10 x 14 metres, to be precise. While MiG-29Ks and N-LCAs can fit on these lifts with parts of their noses or empennages hanging over the edges, the Super Hornet and Rafale once again cannot.

Both Boeing and Dassault are apparently working on solutions to allow their aircraft to fit the lifts. Sources close to the programme said that Boeing is considering a system that would allow the Super Horner to sit canted on the lift, the tilt of the (folded) wings thereby resulting in a slightly shorter overall span measured parallel to the deck. With its fixed wings, the Rafale cannot offer such a solution, and Dassault is understood to be exploring a detachable wingtip, although this involves greater engineering and certification challenges.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 26180.html
the Indian Navy will conduct flight trials of Rafale-Maritime fighter at Shore Based Test Facility at INS Hansa in Goa on January 6 onwards as part of its exercise to identify the best warplane to suit the 40,000 tonne carrier. The IAC 1 is based at Cochin shipyard and is currently undergoing intensive sea trials in Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean.

According to officials in knowledge of the matter, the Rafale-M fighter will be pushed through intensive trial at the 283 metre mock-up ski jump facility at INS Hansa for nearly 12 days to assess whether the fighter aircraft is best suited for IAC-1. The Rafale M fighter is the principal weapon system for French Charles De Gaulle aircraft carrier and has also shown its inter-operability with US aircraft carriers way back in 2008.

The Indian Navy is also planning to test US F-18 Hornet fighter at the same facility apparently in March as the alternative option to Rafale-M fighter.
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It does feel like Mig-29k will be moved over to AF gradually, if Rafale or SH end up being acquired. As we go for mixture of TEDBF and the former.
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#HamaraHeroes-4 | Listen to Mao, one of the finest naval aviators of India | #NLCA, #TEDBF & more

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Rafale is the only one that makes sense considering the investment already made into its training, support and other systems. Interoperability with IAF would be a major factor with decreasing squadron strength and Rafale M is very similar to its AF variant.

However the Super Hornet is an exceptional carrier borne fighter and for a navy that is increasingly practicing with and seems to be modeling after the USN I'm worried they will push for it.

Boeing already has a good relationship with the Indian Navy and may try to sweeten the deal with more India specific enhancements and P-8,Romeo etc which are beyond Dassult
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AkshaySG wrote:Rafale is the only one that makes sense considering the investment already made into its training, support and other systems. Interoperability with IAF would be a major factor with decreasing squadron strength and Rafale M is very similar to its AF variant.

However the Super Hornet is an exceptional carrier borne fighter and for a navy that is increasingly practicing with and seems to be modeling after the USN I'm worried they will push for it.

Boeing already has a good relationship with the Indian Navy and may try to sweeten the deal with more India specific enhancements and P-8,Romeo etc which are beyond Dassult
Romeo isn’t a Boeing product.


Would be frankly bizarre and seemingly unworkable to go for the SH at this point and that too for just 26 fighters unless the rumours of leasing fighters becomes a reality but that itself is fraught with untold issues.


Rafale-M would be a relatively plug and play solution (although I’m not sure how they’ll address the issues that exist with the lifts on Vikrant). All the training and maintenance infrastructure already exists in India, unless someone in naval HQ finds a pot of gold it’s not worth duplicating efforts and lying billions of USD for Indian specific enhancements, entirely different weapons etc for the SH and that too in such limited numbers
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VinodTK wrote:#HamaraHeroes-4 | Listen to Mao, one of the finest naval aviators of India | #NLCA, #TEDBF & more
Another gem of an interview from Anatha Krishna...Mao speaks about the learning process, forces deriving specs from brochures...lots of interesting things. Drives the point that there are no shortcuts when it comes to developing complex systems/products...one has to go through the painful, time consuming & expensive processes.
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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 67043?s=20 ---> The Indian Navy's Boeing P-81 aircraft commenced operations from INS Hansa, Goa with two aircraft arriving on 30 December 2021. The aircraft were inducted after fitment of indigenous equipment and flight acceptance trials.

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 64866?s=20 ---> On arrival, the aircraft were welcomed by a MiG 29K formation. The second batch of four additional P-8i aircraft will be based at INAS 316.

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 14210?s=20 --->

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Please visit the Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread thread to view the article on the Pakistan Navy's MPA.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 37291?s=20 ---> A nice look at Maritime Patrol Aircraft progress and acquisitions between Indian and Pakistan navies...from our upcoming Indian Navy Special Issue. We've tweeted this in bits and pieces over the few months but have put it all together now for ease of understanding.

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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 76353?s=20 ---> MiG-29K loaded with three drop tanks, two Kh-35E and R-73E.

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Noob pooch: why are the nose cones differently coloured on the Kh-35s?
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that is a very respectable payload for a mission. To attack a ship, say near enemy cost, one can fly that distance where own A/C is out of range of enemy planes (the drop tanks come in handy), lob two KH-35 and have 2 R 77E to defend itself in case it is being bounced. Say at a distance of 100-200 km from paki coast.
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Those are R-73 CCMs and not R-77 BVRAAMs.
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https://twitter.com/rv_srivatsa/status/ ... 41505?s=20 ---> Was endlessly scrolling over maps today, spotting things, Look what I came across! An Indian Navy MiG-29K flying south over South Goa.

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https://twitter.com/VivekSi85847001/sta ... 05697?s=20 ---> 15.226947, 73.933187

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Chinmay wrote:Noob pooch: why are the nose cones differently coloured on the Kh-35s?
Looks like the missile on the right has a cover on its nose.
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X-Post from the Light Utility Helicopter thread...
Prem Kumar wrote:This is music to our ears. Kudos to the PM, RM & the late CDS!

Now lets hope bulk orders for Indian systems are placed, given that the other door has been firmly shut
With LUH, cancellation of Kamov makes perfect sense, even Klub as Nirbhay is well on its way. What does not make sense is P-8I and Igla? We do not have an alternative at present, and I thought P-8I made good sense to buy, what with the lizard poking around more often in our backyard, even the pukes are getting more subs?
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stephen wrote:X-Post from the Light Utility Helicopter thread...
Prem Kumar wrote:This is music to our ears. Kudos to the PM, RM & the late CDS!

Now lets hope bulk orders for Indian systems are placed, given that the other door has been firmly shut
With LUH, cancellation of Kamov makes perfect sense, even Klub as Nirbhay is well on its way. What does not make sense is P-8I and Igla? We do not have an alternative at present, and I thought P-8I made good sense to buy, what with the lizard poking around more often in our backyard, even the pukes are getting more subs?
With regards to the P-8I, there are 8 in service + 4 on order. They are doing great work for the IN.

Look at Saurav's tweet below. That second sentence is interesting. Expect more C-295s in multiple variants. The P-8I will still remain the primary platform, with a "possible" C-295 to complement her.

The C-295 deal appears to be a blessing in disguise for India. One platform, multiple variants --> (transport, AEW, ASW, MR, SIGINT, ISR, etc).

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/148 ... 53156?s=20 ---> Putting P-8I under review is the right medicine for an America that thinks it can exercise a veto on Indian arms purchases via CAATSA. Yes, P-8I is useful, but if push comes to shove a less capable system with domestic inputs on a different platform can be procured.
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Ka-31 also cancelled along with the Ka-226.

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 41187?s=20 ---> In a big push to Make In India initiative, Govt of India cancels multiple deals for purchase of short-range surface-to-air missiles (IGLA) & choppers (Ka-226T).

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 67875?s=20 ---> As well as the Kamov-31 shipborne choppers and Klub class anti-ship missiles, towed artillery guns, SAMs, shipborne UASs, additional P-8I aircraft and MiG-29.
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P8I cancellation is a welcome step especially since DRDO AWACS is in design phase and platform already available.

Instrument suite of P-8I should be easily portable to A320.

Navy will also get its airborne command post.
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