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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 13 Nov 2017 07:41

The militarisation of space has already begun.The US is far ahead of the pack.There has been total secrecy with umpteen sat launches, the X-37B spaceplane ,etc., where new "Star Wars" programme appears to be well under way.

The dev. of an Indian rail gun is great news,esp
for the IN.The next gen. of surface combatants should be equipped with this system along with laser weaponry.

We need to possess more "dumb bombs made smart."
Kits for the same cost far less than any missile .SAAW could have variants where the glide-bomb could take out targets other than runways.
PS: The US has just tested successfully its first hyper missile which will be submarine launched in future.Huge
dev. Russis is said to also be fielding next year its
Zircon hyper missiles from it and will be the first nation to induct such a game-changer.When will our BMos-H arrive?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Nov 2017 10:27

ArjunPandit wrote:
JayS wrote:
The success of the test-test firing would increase the combat range of the aircraft from the current 300 km to some 1500 km as the supersonic cruise missile can home in on targets over 1000 km away if launched from the air.

wait the combat range of LCA is 370Km and of Su-30 also 300Km?
And from when did a 300Km missile become 1000Km range ;) (Is MTCR: Maine Tujhe C banaya Re ? )


I think someone told the reporter that air launched Brahmos will have a much longer range than 300Km since it is fired at with speed and altitude aldready present and reporter got confused , converted 3000km CAP combat range of SU-30 to 300KM and added masala for significance.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 13 Nov 2017 12:05

Aditya_V wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:wait the combat range of LCA is 370Km and of Su-30 also 300Km?
And from when did a 300Km missile become 1000Km range ;) (Is MTCR: Maine Tujhe C banaya Re ? )


I think someone told the reporter that air launched Brahmos will have a much longer range than 300Km since it is fired at with speed and altitude aldready present and reporter got confused , converted 3000km CAP combat range of SU-30 to 300KM and added masala for significance.


looks like the reporter messed up with the numbers. Perhaps he wanted to say Strike range of Su-30 (initially max 300km range missile but now 1500km max range possible). I am not sure. Hopefully the 1000km figure is correct. Another unanswered question in my mind is, whether this Brahmos version is the original 300km or the unrestricted (post-MTCR) version..? Because if 300km version gives 1000km with air-launch then the unrestricted version would be even greater. However I feel its the unrestricted version which is going on the Su-30 now.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Aditya G » 13 Nov 2017 14:10

The air launch effectively replaces the solid rocket booster that lifts the missile off the ground. Now it takes it up only to a certain height (couple of 100 meters?) And a speed before the missile tips over and activates the turbojet. In this post-MTCR config we know the missile can go 450km.

Now imagine if the same missile round is launched from 4 km altitude at 800 kmph. I am not a physics guy but even an unpowered SAAW glide bomb can go 10s of km from there.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 13 Nov 2017 15:27

^^ I do not know the exact technical specs of the Brahmos but I am guessing Even the air launched version will have some booster to propel it till the speed when the ramjet can start, typically over Mach 2. Of coarse it'd be a smaller booster than what would GL missile needs. But the booster would not have much impact on the range. Because booster works before the ramjet engine starts. Whatever happens before cannot impact its range by large margin (elimination of the booster altogether should not have any impact on range at all. Since the range comes from the ramjet engine burn not the booster. I don't think the reduction in booster weight is being compensated by additional fuel for Ramjet, in which case the range would be more). And about added KE/PE due to Air-launch, impact of that would be more or less same on a dumb bomb and on a missile. So perhaps a hundred km increase in range for missile too on that account, I would say. And some more due to initial flight being completely in higher altitude. At max 200-250km in all considering all factors (considering same flight profile for both GL and AL launched versions post launch). A significant increase by any means. (All educated guess so Take FWIW).

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Ashokk » 13 Nov 2017 23:30

'Deadly combination': BrahMos missile to be tested from Sukhoi fighter jet for first time this week
The sleek BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, which flies almost three times the speed of sound at Mach 2.8, will be test-fired from a Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet for the first time this week.

Sources say 42 Sukhoi fighters will eventually be armed with BrahMos missiles once the air-launched missiles have undergone a battery of successful tests. IAF has till now inducted 240 of the 272 twin-seat Sukhois contracted from Russia for over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being licenced produced by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

HAL and BrahMos Aerospace for the last few years were working on integrating the BrahMos missiles on two Sukhois for flight trials, which kicked off in June 2016. While the Sukhois required some structural modifications, the weight of the missiles also had to be reduced and its satellite navigation and other systems made compatible with the fighter avionics. "All arrangements are now in place for the first live firing of the missile from the air this week," said a source.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nam » 13 Nov 2017 23:38

I guess the range would also be effected by the flight path.

Don't the jet "throw up" BVRs to get increased range? If Brahmos flies up instead of flying straight and use some gliding as it comes down, you would get increased range.

Given the reduced friction at that height, it would be relatively easier to fly higher. Overall lot of variables, only IAF & DRDO would know the real range.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nam » 13 Nov 2017 23:41

Always wondered if it is possible to have a ARM version of Brahmos... to chase AWACS!

May be having engine in the front is an issue.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shiv » 14 Nov 2017 08:09

nam wrote:Always wondered if it is possible to have a ARM version of Brahmos... to chase AWACS!

May be having engine in the front is an issue.

Engine is not in front. Intake is in front. A large, heavy Mach 3 missile with stub wings will not be able to manoeuvre and quickly turn. A 300 kg warhead is huge and requires very large forces to make it change direction - it is also too big. A 20 kg warhead on a much smaller and lighter missile would be more than enough to bring down an AWACS

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 14 Nov 2017 08:34

nam wrote:I guess the range would also be effected by the flight path.

Don't the jet "throw up" BVRs to get increased range? If Brahmos flies up instead of flying straight and use some gliding as it comes down, you would get increased range.

Given the reduced friction at that height, it would be relatively easier to fly higher. Overall lot of variables, only IAF & DRDO would know the real range.


Amount of KE/PE added is just the same (in normalised sense) if launch parameters are same whether its glide bomb or missile or stone. You can use it anywhich way that gives you advantage. (That going up and coming down is basically "ballistic" trajectory to hike range because bombs have no power of their own). While for a missile of 50-100km range the hike is significant due to addition of this initial energy boost, maybe even doubling the range. Because they do not have separate booster. If they have to start from zero velocity part of their fuel would be used to bring them to 0.7M. When Aircraft imparts that speed, that means saving of fuel which then can be burned longer resulting in longer range. But for Brahmos, it needs much bigger initial boost for its ramjet to start (typically ramjets need to be accelerated to >M2 for them to start). Any additional energy imparted to Brahmos is only reducing the booster size. And not saving any of its ramjet fuel.

Flight path does indeed have huge impact on range. GL Brahmos has only 120km range in lo-lo-lo profile. While if it does hi-hi-hi at 15km altitude it could be 600km. If you compare same profile for GL and AL versions, the AL will definitely have some advantage owing to its initial high altitude flight. But it should not be like 300km just due to this, in my opinion. Again, all this is 'educated guess' only so take FWIW.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 14 Nov 2017 08:36

nam wrote:Always wondered if it is possible to have a ARM version of Brahmos... to chase AWACS!

May be having engine in the front is an issue.


We have NGARM now for that I suppose. Much smaller, much nimble. Su-30 could carry more of them. And perhaps cheaper too.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Singha » 14 Nov 2017 08:38

ARM version of a hypersonic missile like shourya is the deep-kill concept I had ranted about earlier to chase large targets like awacs , transports, tankers off their usual stations / routes 500-1000km behind the frontline. when you chase high value eyes and ears off station, the fighters effectiveness is much reduced.

I am sure massa / rus / cheen are working on such concepts both air and ground launched.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Cain Marko » 14 Nov 2017 09:21

nam wrote:Always wondered if it is possible to have a ARM version of Brahmos... to chase AWACS!.

Imaginative but a little out of Brahmos capability I think.

Say the missile is launched at 300-500km towards awacs, mid course guidance via mki, terminal guidance via aesa seeker. How well is a lumbering platform like an awacs going to outmaneuver that missile? At that range and altitude, it will have about 5 minutes to run away. In 5 minutes the missile will cover 350km and the awacs will turn away 70km in any given direction. Can the missile Chase it down? I'm not sure the current version can. Perhaps the hypersonic version could be tasked for such roles.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Thakur_B » 14 Nov 2017 10:24

nam wrote:Always wondered if it is possible to have a ARM version of Brahmos... to chase AWACS!

May be having engine in the front is an issue.


Not sure for chasing AWACS, but ground based radars, yes. Brahmos M shall have that capability. IIR integration is also planned.

“The seeker for BRAHMOS-M will have sufficient redundancies to include anti-radiation, Radio Frequency and Imaging Infra-Red capabilities. The guidance in addition to the present G3 combination will also come from indigenous satellite navigation constellation — IRNSS — which will have a total of seven satellites of which three have been placed in space.”


http://www.forceindia.net/FocussedonFuture.aspx

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 14 Nov 2017 11:42

So what turbojet engine was used on the Nirbhay?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 14 Nov 2017 11:46

ramana wrote:So what turbojet engine was used on the Nirbhay?


PTAE-7.

BTW what happened to another Nirbhay test..? Or was it a mis-understanding that multiple tests were lined up..?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 14 Nov 2017 12:13

P.Sengupta says it was a Indian turbofan (not Manik) and not turbojet

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 14 Nov 2017 12:35

Good news for the IAF!
BrahMos Aerospace to start cruise missile deliveries for India’s Air Force next year
Military & Defense November 13, 17:00 UTC+3
The Indian Air Force has signed a contract on the delivery of air-launched BrahMos cruise missiles from January 2018
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DUBAI, November 13. /TASS/. The deliveries of BrahMos air-launched cruise missiles for India’s Air Force will start in January 2018, BrahMos Aerospace Joint Venture Co-Director Alexander Maxichev told TASS at the Dubai Airshow 2017 on Monday.
READ ALSO
India test-fires advanced version of BrahMos missile — media

"The Indian Air Force has signed a contract on the delivery of air-launched BrahMos cruise missiles from January 2018. The missiles are designed to arm about 50 Su-30MKI fighter aircraft modified for their use," Maxichev said. :mrgreen:
*(Poor Pakis,must be quakingin their boots)

The deliveries of the ordered missiles will begin immediately after two certified launches against a naval and a ground target are carried out, he said, without specifying the timeframe of these launches and noting that they would be conducted until the end of the year.
India’s Air Force has modified two Su-30MKI fighter jets for air-launched BrahMos cruise missiles by now. The upgrade of the other 48 aircraft will begin immediately after this missile is accepted for service.
The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is the product of Russia’s Machine-Building Research and Development Consortium and India’s Defense Research and Development Organization, which set up BrahMos Aerospace joint venture in 1998.
The missile’s name comes from the names of two rivers: the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia. The missile’s first launch took place on June 12, 2001 from a coastal launcher.

http://tass.com/defense/975380

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Nov 2017 12:56

Air Launched Brahmos from MKI will mean any Chinese Surface vessel in IOR including Aircraft carriers can be well targeted. I hope we ccan intergrate the Brahmos AL launched version with the IL -38's in service also.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ashishvikas » 14 Nov 2017 20:36

New Missile Test ..... max 350 km range ..... No Safe Height ..... Air/Ship/Sub Launched

https://t.co/RHP24awWbu

This is finally Brahmos launch from MKIs.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 Nov 2017 20:54

Aditya_V wrote:Air Launched Brahmos from MKI will mean any Chinese Surface vessel in IOR including Aircraft carriers can be well targeted. I hope we ccan intergrate the Brahmos AL launched version with the IL -38's in service also.

This may obviate the need for long range bombers

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Singha » 14 Nov 2017 23:23

thing about deep kill concepts is the need for mid course updates to inflight missiles , high degree of autonomous target selection and ECCM (as AWACS has very powerful ECM) and OTH radars to provide reliable scan of high value targets. the missile is only part of the overall solution.

we definitely need both bombers and hypersonic weapons. bombers can be considered a flexible swing role asset that can pound any land targets also including contained conflicts like doklam or kargil. 50x1000lb IRNSS weapons dropping in on a small area is not to sniff at. they are pretty cheap and big bang vs missiles.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby brar_w » 14 Nov 2017 23:28

Singha what you describe is a kill chain. As correctly mentioned, long range strike against any target requires a robust, and survivable kill chain with the missile/munition being one link in that chain.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 14 Nov 2017 23:31

I thought that there was a 300-400km super AAM in the pipeline for the FGFA, Flanker, in the works .Astra too is being honed for a 100km + range for the future, both of which would eventually find its way into IAF service.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JTull » 15 Nov 2017 03:23

ashishvikas wrote:New Missile Test ..... max 350 km range ..... No Safe Height ..... Air/Ship/Sub Launched

https://t.co/RHP24awWbu

This is finally Brahmos launch from MKIs.


so Fri 17th afternoon and Sat 18th morning. Perhaps one slot for land attack and one for anti-ship test to nail FOC in one go..

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 15 Nov 2017 03:28

sum wrote:P.Sengupta says it was a Indian turbofan (not Manik) and not turbojet



If so what explains the 637 km range which is 637/1500 (= 0.42 (Design to 0.53 demonstrated)) of the Nirbhay design?
or they just flew the available Manik and de-rated the range?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 15 Nov 2017 03:30

Philip wrote:I thought that there was a 300-400km super AAM in the pipeline for the FGFA, Flanker, in the works .Astra too is being honed for a 100km + range for the future, both of which would eventually find its way into IAF service.



calm down. Don't raise un-full fillable expectations!!!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 15 Nov 2017 04:53

ramana wrote:
sum wrote:P.Sengupta says it was a Indian turbofan (not Manik) and not turbojet



If so what explains the 637 km range which is 637/1500 (= 0.42 (Design to 0.53 demonstrated)) of the Nirbhay design?
or they just flew the available Manik and de-rated the range?


Sengupta is just BS'ing as usual.
Here is direct confirmation from DRDO head in Feb that the Nirbhay would be turbojet based for a short while.
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/Pu ... 022017.pdf

now we are going to use the turbojet engine. Presently, we have the import-
ed turbofan engines. we have made a few turbofan engines already but they
are not tested yet. By the time we get into production, we would have tested
them. we are planning to fly this missile with our own turbofan engine sooner
or later.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby disha » 15 Nov 2017 11:47

Here are my predictions on the behavior of this thread on air launched brahmos :

If AL-SCM (Air Launched, Air-to-Surface super-sonic cruise missile - ALSCM) is successful
*lungi dance*
Can it be taken to SCS., if no
*lots of dhoti shiver*
else
*dhoti shiver with dire warnings of not getting ahead of ourselves*
else
*full time dhoti shiver*


That is 3/4 - we will *dhoti shiver*.

Just note that India is the only nation that will field a new category of missiles., the new category being ALSCM.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 15 Nov 2017 12:04

Calming down,but here's the basis for the post.
The Novator K-100 is a Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"[4] at ranges up to 400 km. The missile has had various names during its troubled history, including Izdeliye 172 ('Article 172'), AAM-L (RVV-L), KS–172, KS-1, 172S-1 and R-172. The airframe appears to have been derived from the 9K37 Buk surface-to-air missile (SAM) but development stalled in the mid-1990s for lack of funds. It appears to have restarted in 2004 after a deal with India, who wants to produce the missile in India for their Su-30MKI fighters. It is the heaviest air-to-air missile ever produced.


If IAF MKIs can carry BMos,then they should be able to carry this AWACS killer,specs gvien here.
Weight 748 kg (1,650 lb) (KS–172)[1]
Length 6.01 m (19.7 ft) + 1.4 m (4.6 ft) (KS–172)[1]
Diameter 40 cm (16 in) (KS–172)[1]

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 16 Nov 2017 01:21

If Russian production restarted in 2004 for India that is 13 years ago, have we seen any reports of the KS-172 in IAF possession?
The Su-30MKi can already carry such missiles with a weight of 1650 lbs without a BMos upgrade..

I think the UPA never procured the KS-172.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 16 Nov 2017 02:56

https://twitter.com/Hemant_TNIE/status/ ... 6663240704

Maiden air launched Brahmos from SU 30 this week.

Tweet from Hemant Kumar Rout.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 16 Nov 2017 05:54

There is no ready KS-172. The new Russian long range AAM is this one, advertised for the Su-35 as well.
See from 1:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXhsaau4Bs4
Its meant for long range slower targets and is not optimal against fighters.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Austin » 16 Nov 2017 10:45

Karan M wrote:There is no ready KS-172. The new Russian long range AAM is this one, advertised for the Su-35 as well.
See from 1:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXhsaau4Bs4
Its meant for long range slower targets and is not optimal against fighters.


It depends on the range to target , if you want to take out a extereme range target at 180-200 km range then a slow target like AWACS or Cruise missile would be the best one to as they wont have the energy to get out of NEZ of the missile but if you use RVV-BD against a manouvering high energy target like fighter aircraft then you would want to limit that to 150 km range or lesser to let your missile have enough energy to deal with such targets , BTW RVV-BD has dual pulse rocket motor to deal with such situation similar to our BArak-8

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Zynda » 16 Nov 2017 11:19

[quote="Karan M"][/quote]
Totally OT. Karan M bro, are you not on the new BG Forum?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby brar_w » 16 Nov 2017 16:06

Austin wrote:
It depends on the range to target , if you want to take out a extereme range target at 180-200 km range then a slow target like AWACS or Cruise missile would be the best one to as they wont have the energy to get out of NEZ of the missile but if you use RVV-BD against a manouvering high energy target like fighter aircraft then you would want to limit that to 150 km range or lesser to let your missile have enough energy to deal with such targets , BTW RVV-BD has dual pulse rocket motor to deal with such situation similar to our BArak-8


Those ranges don't make sense (180-200 km for AWACS and 150 km for fighters). Are those official data or a guess? 150 km vs 180/200 km is something likely 30-40 seconds of additional cruise. Against a maneuvering target the effective range is likely less, or conversely the range against a slow maneuvering target is likely more. Moreover, a large diameter, heavy missile is really optimized against AWACS/JSTARS like aircraft i.e. High Value targets..for ER-A2A against the harder target sets solutions int he 7-8" diameter missiles (like Meteor) are more optimal given their impact on platform performance plus are overall more agile. These are better solution sets (meteor, R77++, Aim-120++) against targets that you have to fight your way through.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby sum » 16 Nov 2017 16:28

P.Sengupta says that Dr Cristopher has confrmed in FORCE Sep issue that 13 Turbofans were built in country and 3 were extensively tested and he claims the one which powered the Nirbhay was this:
Intech DMLS launches India's first indigenously developed jet engines

Intech DMLS Limited, a metal 3D printing provider and metal additive manufacturing establishment in aviation sector, has launched the country's first indigenously developed jet engine series.

“Jet engines has been developed by a private establishment and augurs well for the industry in looking inwards for innovation in the high technology aviation sector,” said Sridhar Balaram, Founder and Managing Director, Intech DMLS.

The company established in 2012 and has its headquarters in Bengaluru specialises in metal 3D printing provider and metal additive manufacturing. With this India has become the first country in Asia and only the fourth country after the US, Europe and Israel to indigenously develop such an engine in the private space.

Under the brand name Poeir Jets, promoted by M/s Poeir Jets Private Limited an R&D subsidiary of Intech DMLS has unveiled its series of Jet Engines for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Remote Controlled (R/C) Aircraft.

The engine MJE 20 is indigenously designed and manufactured with a thrust of 20 Kgf. It is currently undergoing testing at our Bengaluru facility.


• MJE 20 is an indigenously designed & manufactured turbofan with a thrust of 20 Kgf which will be used for an UAV and R/C model aircraft.
• MJE 40 turbofan produces a thrust of 40 Kgf, which can also be used for UAV and R/C model aircraft & has been indigenously designed, manufactured and is planned to be tested by March 2017.
• 100 kgf turbofan produces a thrust of 40 Kgf, which can also be used for UAV and R/C model aircraft & has been indigenously designed, under manufacture and is planned to be tested by March 2017.
• 130 kgf thrust turbofan for small manned and UAV applications is currently under design.
• SJE-350 turbofan with a thrust of 350Kgf which is used for strategic application and is currently under manufacturing for the Nirbhay.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Austin » 16 Nov 2017 17:48

brar_w wrote:Those ranges don't make sense (180-200 km for AWACS and 150 km for fighters). Are those official data or a guess? 150 km vs 180/200 km is something likely 30-40 seconds of additional cruise. Against a maneuvering target the effective range is likely less, or conversely the range against a slow maneuvering target is likely more. Moreover, a large diameter, heavy missile is really optimized against AWACS/JSTARS like aircraft i.e. High Value targets..for ER-A2A against the harder target sets solutions int he 7-8" diameter missiles (like Meteor) are more optimal given their impact on platform performance plus are overall more agile. These are better solution sets (meteor, R77++, Aim-120++) against targets that you have to fight your way through.


Those are official data for AWACS etc , if fact RVV-BD is range restricted to 200 km for export model other wise it has longer range , RVV-BD is capable of hitting 8G targets so taking care of Fighter aircraft is not an issue considering they carry 60 kg warhead which is as good as a SAM carries plus it has dual pulse motor.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby brar_w » 16 Nov 2017 17:55

It is entirely conceivable that it has 200+ km range against largely cooperative targets and 150 km range against maneuvering, supersonic-capable targets. In fact that makes a lot more sense given the size. But like I said, a heavier, large diameter missile is still not an optimal solution as a BVRAAM for air-combat (against targets that you have to fight) given both the agility that you can put on lighter missiles with current generation technology (while still giving them excellent kinematics) and the impact on the aircraft carrying it. It is likely that Russia pursues multiple missiles while keeping this more tailored to the higher value targets.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 16 Nov 2017 18:07

sum wrote:P.Sengupta says that Dr Cristopher has confrmed in FORCE Sep issue that 13 Turbofans were built in country and 3 were extensively tested and he claims the one which powered the Nirbhay was this:
Intech DMLS launches India's first indigenously developed jet engines

Intech DMLS Limited, a metal 3D printing provider and metal additive manufacturing establishment in aviation sector, has launched the country's first indigenously developed jet engine series.

“Jet engines has been developed by a private establishment and augurs well for the industry in looking inwards for innovation in the high technology aviation sector,” said Sridhar Balaram, Founder and Managing Director, Intech DMLS.

The company established in 2012 and has its headquarters in Bengaluru specialises in metal 3D printing provider and metal additive manufacturing. With this India has become the first country in Asia and only the fourth country after the US, Europe and Israel to indigenously develop such an engine in the private space.

Under the brand name Poeir Jets, promoted by M/s Poeir Jets Private Limited an R&D subsidiary of Intech DMLS has unveiled its series of Jet Engines for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Remote Controlled (R/C) Aircraft.

The engine MJE 20 is indigenously designed and manufactured with a thrust of 20 Kgf. It is currently undergoing testing at our Bengaluru facility.


• MJE 20 is an indigenously designed & manufactured turbofan with a thrust of 20 Kgf which will be used for an UAV and R/C model aircraft.
• MJE 40 turbofan produces a thrust of 40 Kgf, which can also be used for UAV and R/C model aircraft & has been indigenously designed, manufactured and is planned to be tested by March 2017.
• 100 kgf turbofan produces a thrust of 40 Kgf, which can also be used for UAV and R/C model aircraft & has been indigenously designed, under manufacture and is planned to be tested by March 2017.
• 130 kgf thrust turbofan for small manned and UAV applications is currently under design.
• SJE-350 turbofan with a thrust of 350Kgf which is used for strategic application and is currently under manufacturing for the Nirbhay.


Interesting. Where does this Sengupta say this..? any Link..?

The impression I got from the marketing guy of Poer Jet when I talked to him in AI 17 was that the bigger engines are still a bit into future. They were working only on the smallest one. It would be rather impressive if they are already putting engines on Nirbhay.


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