Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2018 00:41

The S-400s are a top priority.The US is trying to scuttle the same.The Q must be asked why? Answer.All these decades the US has been trying to preserve a balance of power between India and Pak, tx to the pro- Paki US establishment, still existing, to prevent an India military defeat of Pak yet again.

It thus gave the Pakis Harpoon and sub- Harpoon missiles, TOW ATGMs,F-16s, P-3 Orions, AMRAAM AAMs etc., at regular intervals to checkmate an Indian advantage.In fact the PN has possessed sub- launched anti-ship missiles long before the IN.

India possessing the feared S-400 ABM system from Russia will give it a definite missile defence advantage against Pak's strat. missile force which will take care of our immediate needs until our own ABM system is perfected .What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability.The Russians aren't that stupid esp. when it comes to selling a rival power its crown jewels.

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Postby RoyG » 10 Apr 2018 01:02

Philip wrote:The S-400s are a top priority.The US is trying to scuttle the same.The Q must be asked why? Answer.All these decades the US has been trying to preserve a balance of power between India and Pak, tx to the pro- Paki US establishment, still existing, to prevent an India military defeat of Pak yet again.

It thus gave the Pakis Harpoon and sub- Harpoon missiles, TOW ATGMs,F-16s, P-3 Orions, AMRAAM AAMs etc., at regular intervals to checkmate an Indian advantage.In fact the PN has possessed sub- launched anti-ship missiles long before the IN.

India possessing the feared S-400 ABM system from Russia will give it a definite missile defence advantage against Pak's strat. missile force which will take care of our immediate needs until our own ABM system is perfected .What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability.The Russians aren't that stupid esp. when it comes to selling a rival power its crown jewels.


Blah Blah, Russia is moving closer to Pakistan too in order to bolster China's position. Their first priority is to push the US out, and second to preserve the status quo between India, Pakistan, and China. If Pakistan goes, we will see a drastic reduction in our imports of Russian garbage and leaning on them for favors in international fora much to the chagrin of people like you. Why would Russia want that?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 10 Apr 2018 02:49

RoyG wrote:
Philip wrote:The S-400s are a top priority.The US is trying to scuttle the same.The Q must be asked why? Answer.All these decades the US has been trying to preserve a balance of power between India and Pak, tx to the pro- Paki US establishment, still existing, to prevent an India military defeat of Pak yet again.

It thus gave the Pakis Harpoon and sub- Harpoon missiles, TOW ATGMs,F-16s, P-3 Orions, AMRAAM AAMs etc., at regular intervals to checkmate an Indian advantage.In fact the PN has possessed sub- launched anti-ship missiles long before the IN.

India possessing the feared S-400 ABM system from Russia will give it a definite missile defence advantage against Pak's strat. missile force which will take care of our immediate needs until our own ABM system is perfected .What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability.The Russians aren't that stupid esp. when it comes to selling a rival power its crown jewels.


Blah Blah, Russia is moving closer to Pakistan too in order to bolster China's position. Their first priority is to push the US out, and second to preserve the status quo between India, Pakistan, and China. If Pakistan goes, we will see a drastic reduction in our imports of Russian garbage and leaning on them for favors in international fora much to the chagrin of people like you. Why would Russia want that?


+1 .. Murika thinks the same . Keep the kettle boiling .Also everyone and his aunt in the arms business :evil:

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 10 Apr 2018 02:51

Philip wrote:The S-400s are a top priority.The US is trying to scuttle the same.The Q must be asked why? Answer.All these decades the US has been trying to preserve a balance of power between India and Pak, tx to the pro- Paki US establishment, still existing, to prevent an India military defeat of Pak yet again.

It thus gave the Pakis Harpoon and sub- Harpoon missiles, TOW ATGMs,F-16s, P-3 Orions, AMRAAM AAMs etc., at regular intervals to checkmate an Indian advantage.In fact the PN has possessed sub- launched anti-ship missiles long before the IN.

India possessing the feared S-400 ABM system from Russia will give it a definite missile defence advantage against Pak's strat. missile force which will take care of our immediate needs until our own ABM system is perfected .What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability.The Russians aren't that stupid esp. when it comes to selling a rival power its crown jewels.


heh China will see to that ..Russian demographics on the way down with hardly any population to their east front not to mention their army .. well .. they dont have a choice do they ? America and China G2 has seen to all that .. and the drama of the trumper

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 10 Apr 2018 02:52

Philip wrote:The S-400s are a top priority.The US is trying to scuttle the same.The Q must be asked why? Answer.All these decades the US has been trying to preserve a balance of power between India and Pak, tx to the pro- Paki US establishment, still existing, to prevent an India military defeat of Pak yet again.

It thus gave the Pakis Harpoon and sub- Harpoon missiles, TOW ATGMs,F-16s, P-3 Orions, AMRAAM AAMs etc., at regular intervals to checkmate an Indian advantage.In fact the PN has possessed sub- launched anti-ship missiles long before the IN.

India possessing the feared S-400 ABM system from Russia will give it a definite missile defence advantage against Pak's strat. missile force which will take care of our immediate needs until our own ABM system is perfected .What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability.The Russians aren't that stupid esp. when it comes to selling a rival power its crown jewels.

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why are you so sure of that ?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nachiket » 10 Apr 2018 04:03

What differences there are in the missiles China is to receive when compared with those in Ru service is anyone's guess, bug it is bound to be of lesser capability

Then the same is true for the ones we are going to receive.

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Postby John » 10 Apr 2018 07:11

S-400 is an exceptional system but needs to be fielded in large no’s original plan was for 12 regiment then it dwindled to 6 regiment now there is talks of only 5 regiments. Plus on top of that we already have medium-long range air defense system.

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Postby fanne » 10 Apr 2018 07:53

I have a question - Why would china learn from S-400 and our S-400 will be at disadvantage, where as, why can't we learn from it and put Chinese S-400 at disadvantage (and if they sell a copy to TSP, that too). Genuine ask? Maybe the lower regiment it to learn?

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Postby John » 10 Apr 2018 08:07

fanne wrote:I have a question - Why would china learn from S-400 and our S-400 will be at disadvantage, where as, why can't we learn from it and put Chinese S-400 at disadvantage (and if they sell a copy to TSP, that too). Genuine ask? Maybe the lower regiment it to learn?


If so could have simply purchased a single regiment but as it stands still paying more than how much China did for its S-400 and is likely to be one of biggest air defense deal signed by Russia.

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Postby fanne » 10 Apr 2018 08:16

but why would Russia sell a single regiment?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2018 08:20

why are indian S400 more xpensive than chinese?Better specs or are we also negotiating for ToT here(if there is any such thing)

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Pratyush » 10 Apr 2018 10:17

More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2018 11:10

We don't know the full details whether there is any TOT or not.Many deals with Ru have classified sections. For ex. seekers and engines for missiles.It is only when a desi alternative is perfected does the truth emerge.Even parts of the Raffy deal are being kept classified.

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Postby Haridas » 10 Apr 2018 11:23

Singha wrote:>>For medium or large Drones defense , smooth bore field gun based interceptor

can the 76mm oto gun we license make around 8km range iirc be adapted to this role uedilitysing a small n cheap radar cum thermal of the type found in Tor type self contained AD systems... ? one radar could provide target data to multiple guns.
these could also provide some wide area cruise missile defence if sited properly on overlooking features and not near congested areas where any miss shell that does not auto destruct would cause havoc.

Yes.
What is also more compelling is imho a gilding interceptor warhead (with optional small rocket sustainer) that hits during upward or down glide path with mmwave and or optical seeker. Gun launches in approximate direction. Seeker gives high fedility data on ascending path with clear background and no ground clutter (unless against high mountain background). Drone speed is much slower, thus terminal engagement energy budget is favourable to interceptor, secondly unlike fighters the target drone do not know they are being intercepted so their trajectory is better projected and kill box is much bigger.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby SiddharthS » 11 Apr 2018 21:25

Pratyush wrote:More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.

+1

There is no need go to Israel either, just give those billions to DRDO and they will do it,

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby darshhan » 11 Apr 2018 22:28

SiddharthS wrote:
Pratyush wrote:More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.

+1

There is no need go to Israel either, just give those billions to DRDO and they will do it,


Actually DRDO is already on to it. It's called XRSAM.

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Postby John » 12 Apr 2018 01:15

SiddharthS wrote:
Pratyush wrote:More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.

+1

There is no need go to Israel either, just give those billions to DRDO and they will do it,

MR-SAM and Barak-8 ER more or less overlaps with SAMs that are being procured as procured as part of S-400 (9m96e and 9m96e2) no word on whether any longer range SAM (40n6e) is being.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby John » 12 Apr 2018 01:18

nash wrote:https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/983202636848656385


Saurav Jha
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So, we have DRDO's QRSAM being tested today. Details later.



The Latest qrsam test failed.

https://theprint.in/security/a-setback- ... est/48577/

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby nachiket » 12 Apr 2018 01:24


"India’s missile development programme is going through a rough patch, with another snag hitting the home-made quick reaction surface-to-air missile (QRSAM) during tests at the Balasore range in Odisha Monday."

Manu Pubby strikes again. QRSAM test fails and the entire Indian missile programme is in a rough patch? One or two failed tests is a data point not a setback. That is why you test to begin with. To find failure cases before the product goes into production. Too much for Manu Pubby to understand of course.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 12 Apr 2018 02:01

He is well trained by CouptaG.
I notice a bunch of turd defense reporters who swoop in like vultures on news of flight anomalies.

And not the stupid word 'home made' like built in a garage. This is one step worse then home grown.

BTW Manu Pubby must be humanities failed reporter.

Lets wait for Hemant Rout.

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Looks like roll control authority failed.

And is a repeat of the first anomaly.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Kartik » 12 Apr 2018 03:03

Saurav Jha's twitter had this

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Yay, @DRDO_India's Pralay short range ballistic missile (SRBM) reveals itself.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 12 Apr 2018 04:00

A lightened Shourya/K-15 without the excess weight to withstand water pressure etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby SiddharthS » 12 Apr 2018 07:34

darshhan wrote:
SiddharthS wrote:+1

There is no need go to Israel either, just give those billions to DRDO and they will do it,


Actually DRDO is already on to it. It's called XRSAM.


The thing is foreign crop takes almost all the water from the well, domestic crop then has to contend with few drops. As a result, domestic crop either dies or its quality and yield decreases. Meanwhile, the foreign crops quality and yield increases, courtsey of the water we provided. Foreign farmers acquire more land and use the water we provided to grow innovative crops and we are stuck with a dead or a low quality crop. when the next season comes we ask our farmers to grow those innovative crops which they can't , so we go for the foreign innovative/high quality crop, causing another water shortage to the domestic crop and the cycle continues.

This is what Rafale purchase has done, and this is precisely what FGFA, S-400 and every other import is going to do.

Don't forget how few drops were given to the Nirbhay, the project survived somehow thanks to the gems at the DRDO, but there are many that did not.

continuance of import indicates the lack of vision, it seems we are still not sure about acquiring hard power and becoming a global power, we still want to ride on others' coattails. Wish there was a thread dedicated to talk about the need for indigenisation, if there is one please point it to me.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 12 Apr 2018 08:58

Kartik wrote:Saurav Jha's twitter had this

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Yay, @DRDO_India's Pralay short range ballistic missile (SRBM) reveals itself.



Very good poster.
Will give detailed analysis from it.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Sid » 12 Apr 2018 10:12

^^ wow, I keep on confusing Pralay SRBM with Prahar SSM.

Pralay’s range seems conservative for the reduced load. It’s schematics are exactly like Shaurya, technically a ground launched Shaurya (minus its booster, or cap). Probably will use similar canister for launch.

It’s range with reduced load will be in excess of ~800km, min.

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Postby Austin » 12 Apr 2018 18:24

Brahmos plans to create hypersonic weapons within five to seven years

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180412/1518477311.html
Chennai (India), April 12 - RIA Novosti. The joint Russian-Indian company BrahMos Aerospace hopes to complete the creation of the newest hypersonic weapon within five to seven years, the general director of the company Sudhir Mishra told RIA Novosti.

"We want to increase the speed of the BraMos missiles, and along with the increase in their range, we hope to increase the speed of the missiles to about 3.5 mach (about 4,300 kilometers per hour), we will do this within one year, then we want to reach the figure of 5 (about 6,174 kilometers per hour), increasing the efficiency of the engine, and in the longer term, within five to seven years, we expect to increase the speed of the missiles to hypersonic, "said Mishra" on the fields "of the international arms exhibition in Chennai, Defexpo- 2018.

"Now there are many types of weapons that have hypersonic speed, but few of them can be effectively controlled, but we want to create controlled hypersonic weapons." We hope that within 5-7 years we will be able to do this, "he added.

In addition, according to Mishra, the company plans to increase the guaranteed shelf-life in the TPK (transport and launch containers), which today is about 10 years.

"We need to carry out research to increase this period, we will do this using different technologies, which will be a definite challenge for us in the field of engineering," Mishra said.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby SSridhar » 12 Apr 2018 19:14

nachiket wrote:

"India’s missile development programme is going through a rough patch, with another snag hitting the home-made quick reaction surface-to-air missile (QRSAM) during tests at the Balasore range in Odisha Monday."

Manu Pubby strikes again. QRSAM test fails and the entire Indian missile programme is in a rough patch? One or two failed tests is a data point not a setback. That is why you test to begin with. To find failure cases before the product goes into production. Too much for Manu Pubby to understand of course.

It was successfully tested thrice last year. I don't know what this Pubby guy is saying.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Apr 2018 20:58

Now that nag missile is successful or with finishing line in sight, look who's back: Javelin
Remember the number of Javelins that was restricted
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 726561.cms

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 13 Apr 2018 01:12

Please read the DRDO 2017 report here.



The Astra is a multiplatform BVR. The report has many good details.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Thakur_B » 13 Apr 2018 20:30

SAAW

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From Delhi defence twitter feed.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Haridas » 13 Apr 2018 21:00

^^ the blunt nose and swept wings seem an odd non optimal combination.
One of the drdo video showed saaw front having a conical taper, unlike the defex model.
Further for max range (a top performance parameter ) straight wing is decidedly suprior option. Maybe becoz of space constrain a larger wing can be had in a stowed swept wing while maintaining correct location of center of lift.

The blunt nose hover gives least drag at subsonic speed.
Would do well in track configuration with rectangular body facet

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Cain Marko » 13 Apr 2018 22:09

Pratyush wrote:More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.


My layman understanding is that India might be looking at the nebo m radar, which is supposed to nullify stealth to a large extent. The frequency bands are much lower than those for mfstar or lrtr, which is supposed to help detecting vlo targets iirc. Russian scientists are on record saying that they could easily see an f117 using these systems.

The s400 has the capability of tracking ballistic and maneuvering targets at very long ranges, which is rather unique.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Karan M » 13 Apr 2018 22:15

ramana wrote:Please read the DRDO 2017 report here.



The Astra is a multiplatform BVR. The report has many good details.


Not annual report. This is merely a brochure of products. Annual report will be available on MOD site and (perhaps) another version on DRDO site.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 14 Apr 2018 00:08

Thanks.

Haridas, There was a 1990s bomb called WCMD. Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser. Had similar profile.

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2018 20:49

India moves to reduce its reliance on Russia's defence imports - NC Bipindra, Economic Times
India is reducing its dependence on Russia for critical defence programs, with the joint venture BrahMos missile set to be guided by a locally-developed target tracking device in the next year.

India’s defence scientists have developed a new indigenous system that identifies missile targets to replace the Russian-developed seeker on all future BrahMos, Sudhir K. Mishra, the chief executive officer of BrahMos Aerospace said.

"Our objective is to make use of the Indian seeker on all future BrahMos missiles," Mishra said in an interview on the sidelines of India’s defence show, DefExpo, on Wednesday in Chennai. "The Russians say if the Indians supply a cheaper, cost-effective and reliable seeker, then let us take it from India."

There are also plans to use a locally-made warhead on the missile, he said, without specifying a time frame.

Russia accounted for 68 percent of India’s arms import from 2012 to 2016, according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. It’s been the largest defence supplier to India since the 1960s when the MiG-21 supersonic fighter jets were bought to equip the Indian Air Force. These were then license-produced at the state-held Hindustan Aeronautics Limited until recently, when India began to junk the MiG jets and plan a complete phase out of the aircraft by 2022.

Military Modernisation

As Prime Minister Narendra Modi pushes ahead with his military modernisation process with a targeted $250 billion spend over 10 years till 2025, India has widened the scope of its arms purchases to include equipment from the US In the last two years, the US has emerged as India’s top defence supplier. Since 2007, the US has won defence orders from India worth $17 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

India is preparing to test an anti-ship version of the seeker sometime in October-November this year, Mishra said. A successful second test would allow it to go into production soon after.

Hypersonic Development


In the next five years BrahMos Aerospace plans to develop the hypersonic BrahMos missile that can achieve speeds of Mach 5, or five times the speed of sound, Mishra said. The Indian-Russian joint venture is working on overcoming the technological challenges involved in achieving hypersonic speeds for the present Mach 2.8 missile.

BrahMos is also working to extend the missile’s range to 800 km, he said, without giving a time frame. In March 2017, after India formally joined the international Missile Technology Control Regime, BrahMos successfully tested an extended range of 400 km for the missile.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby John » 14 Apr 2018 21:01

Cain Marko wrote:
Pratyush wrote:More important question is why is India buying S 400 to begin with. Why not work on further development of the mrsam with the Israeli prime contractor. That way we will be able to integrate the new missile with our existing infrastructure and learn from the program for future use.

This off the shelf buy is just money going out of the country with no new learning and no additional job's.


My layman understanding is that India might be looking at the nebo m radar, which is supposed to nullify stealth to a large extent. The frequency bands are much lower than those for mfstar or lrtr, which is supposed to help detecting vlo targets iirc. Russian scientists are on record saying that they could easily see an f117 using these systems.

The s400 has the capability of tracking ballistic and maneuvering targets at very long ranges, which is rather unique.


There is no plans S-400 for ABM which means most of associated equipment are not likely to be procured even then I don't how extensively they been tested. Russian systems often fail to live up to the hype, even recent strikes in Syria they couldn't even shoot down one cruise missile ( reports are conflicting whether S-400 was activated to protect Damascus but regardless other Russian systems operates by Syria were active).

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Cain Marko » 14 Apr 2018 23:27

John wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:
My layman understanding is that India might be looking at the nebo m radar, which is supposed to nullify stealth to a large extent. The frequency bands are much lower than those for mfstar or lrtr, which is supposed to help detecting vlo targets iirc. Russian scientists are on record saying that they could easily see an f117 using these systems.

The s400 has the capability of tracking ballistic and maneuvering targets at very long ranges, which is rather unique.


There is no plans S-400 for ABM which means most of associated equipment are not likely to be procured even then I don't how extensively they been tested. Russian systems often fail to live up to the hype, even recent strikes in Syria they couldn't even shoot down one cruise missile ( reports are conflicting whether S-400 was activated to protect Damascus but regardless other Russian systems operates by Syria were active).


How do you know what parts of the s400 are being considered?

As far as Russian systems being unreliable and performance in Syria being bad is concerned, it ensured that Assad was not toppled.

Their sortie generation as well long ranged strike capability was on full show and most onlookers came out impressed.

Making blanket statements such as these makes little sense, if their performance was so poor, countries would not be looking to buy the s400. We are even seeing modded r27s being used to hit top of the line fighters such as the teens in yemen

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Cain Marko wrote:
John wrote:
There is no plans S-400 for ABM which means most of associated equipment are not likely to be procured even then I don't how extensively they been tested. Russian systems often fail to live up to the hype, even recent strikes in Syria they couldn't even shoot down one cruise missile ( reports are conflicting whether S-400 was activated to protect Damascus but regardless other Russian systems operates by Syria were active).


How do you know what parts of the s400 are being considered?

As far as Russian systems being unreliable and performance in Syria being bad is concerned, it ensured that Assad was not toppled.

Their sortie generation as well long ranged strike capability was on full show and most onlookers came out impressed.

Making blanket statements such as these makes little sense, if their performance was so poor, countries would not be looking to buy the s400. We are even seeing modded r27s being used to hit top of the line fighters such as the teens in yemen


He made a specific datapoint regarding the super-expensive weapon system that we are paying through our teeth for, not having shot down a single cruise missile. Do you have any counters to that point instead of bringing in the sortie generation, yemen and protecting Asad (is that our use-case?). This is the Indian Missiles thread after all and we are specifically discussing the effectiveness of the S400 system in the last few posts.

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