Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 20 Apr 2018 07:40

Kakarat, The captive flight trials could be with inert, instrumented vehicles. To get data.
The drop tests were with active vehicles maybe with inert warheads.
Anyway NG is the definitive model. As 3 can be carried. And true hypersonic missiles.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby hnair » 20 Apr 2018 08:00

Indranil wrote:I think, I understand what this thing is. As the name suggests. this will be an inspection cum limited mobility platform. The platform will serve inspection, storage and loading. When mobility is required the hydraulic legs will be used to higher platform. Universal mobility platforms like the ones designed by Tratec will be moved underneath the platform. The platform will be lowered and locked in place. Now it can be moved around. We saw something similar for Agni 3 in an earlier RD parade preparation.

This one is for Agni-6, more flexible and usable for canisterized missile.


Few thoughts here. It could be for any of the fat-Agni missiles, but the max length seem to be 20 m or less. The dimensions mentioned in the pic, does not seem to talk about 3.2m as the tube diameter and the diagram title clearly says "Rotation-cum-resting fixture". So the dimensions mentioned, must be for the entire "Rotation-cum-resting fixture" which means it has to be of the rectangular base and the two clasps, not for the tube. If that is the case, the tube dia is much less than 3.2. The missile dia must be even less. But it must have been release to convey the length - 20m, since the tube is nearly as long as the rectangular base. 70t could be weight of canister +missile + cold launch stage + diagnostics boxes + inert gases storage for keeping things fresh etc

As ramana ji has also pointed out, this base seem like something you use for storage and limited transport of wooden rounds to either a TEL parked a bit away or lowered on to tubes at some dock or silo. There is a turn-wheel on the front clasp, which could be the one used for manual-rotation mentioned in the pic. Maybe this manual inspection turning is needed, if there are transparent windows on the sides of tubes, to see if some kind of Eveready battery leak happened and is sloshing around at the bottom of the tube?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shiv » 20 Apr 2018 09:41

ramana wrote:The [b]Nirbhay is similar in size and performance to the U.S. Tomahawk and Russia’s Caliber 3M54/3M14 cruise missiles. It is six meters (19.7 feet) long and has a cylindrical body with diameter of 0.52 m (67 inches).

That 3 meter diameter container must be for this 67 inch diameter missile :D

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Postby Aditya_V » 20 Apr 2018 12:26

Shiv saar are playing with Predator for the conversion error since .52 mtr, 52 cms is more like 20 inches and not 67 inches?

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Postby Shankk » 22 Apr 2018 08:31

300 anti-tank missiles to be inducted into Indian Army soon

"A high-level meeting of the defence ministry will consider a proposal to acquire 300 Nag missiles and around 25 Nag Missile Carriers (NAMICA) worth around Rs 500 crore for induction into the Indian Army in the next few days," government sources told Mail Today.


Sources said the army will carry out more trials of the Nag missile as its requirement is of around 3,000 such missiles. "If the army is satisfied with the performance of the weapon system, it will place more orders for the weapon system," they said.


The major success in the Nag programme was achieved after the DRDO missile complex developed the indigenous seeker for the Nag missile, which helped it in hitting targets successfully.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 22 Apr 2018 11:32

I don't get the logic. How much more testing does IA want for the Nag?
No ATGM will do what it does at that price.
How much do those 25 Nag carriers cost out if the RS. 500 crore?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 22 Apr 2018 11:34

Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 22 Apr 2018 16:48

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


I think the thought behind this is to enable the Indian Army to stop any armour/ mechanized infantry misadventure by Bakistan in its tracks at the border freeing up assets for our own thrusts. Also, by enabling higher mobility and firepower, it will free up air force assets to prevent concurrent Chinese attacks. To my mind finally we seem to be taking two front confrontation possibilities seriously.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby shiv » 22 Apr 2018 17:32

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.

China

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Postby RoyG » 22 Apr 2018 18:49

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


I think the thought behind this is to enable the Indian Army to stop any armour/ mechanized infantry misadventure by Bakistan in its tracks at the border freeing up assets for our own thrusts. Also, by enabling higher mobility and firepower, it will free up air force assets to prevent concurrent Chinese attacks. To my mind finally we seem to be taking two front confrontation possibilities seriously.


Incapacitate PA and shift forces to China border in < 1 week. Pakistan is going to be in deep trouble within 5 years. Pakhtun and Baloch nationalists will start it and help finish it just like the Bengali in 1971.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby srai » 22 Apr 2018 19:23

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.

They are spread out to battlions/regiments. Not all in one concentrated area.

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Postby Austin » 22 Apr 2018 20:17

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


Numbers Might include training rounds , war time reserves and attrition losses

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Will » 23 Apr 2018 05:02

Is the BrahMos 2 on hold? Are the Russians playing hardball? India really needs to get its hypersonic R&D going and quick.

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Postby mody » 23 Apr 2018 11:33

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


Add to that a few hundred thousand anti-tank mines and about 50 thousand combined numbers of Milan-2/2T, Konkurs and Kornets!!
Though all for 3,000 nos. for Nag. This can be of big help in the eastern sector. Those Chini light tanks will be toast from a long way off.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby JayS » 23 Apr 2018 12:08

ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


Isn't our AGTM/MANPAD requirement runs into >10000..? Numbers from SPIKE deal are 8000 or so IIRC.

We are going to have a very large weaponized helicopter force in coming decades. That itself will need a lot of missiles. NAG and the derivatives, if used to full capacity in all forms such as ATGM, MANPAD, Heli based ATGM, ATAM etc could well run into 30-40000s in next 1-2 decades.

Such kind of anti-armour force would definitely reduce pressure from the fixed wing fighters to a great extent free-ing them for other tasks.

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Postby nits » 23 Apr 2018 13:36

BrahMos-equipped Su-30MKIs hit bull’s eye as Gaganshakti-2018 concludes

Chinese will gain entry closer to the Indian waters. Su-30MKIs fitted with BrahMos missiles carried out strikes in the Malacca Straits which will be the entry point of the Chinese military in the Indian Ocean region. The aircraft also carried out a sortie of over 2,000 kilometers where they were provided mid-air refuelling by Ilyushin 78 tankers and direction by the Airborne Early Warning Systems (AWACS), the sources said.

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Postby Prasad » 27 Apr 2018 00:36

Remember the discussion we had about the Nag a while back - booster/sustainer location etc -

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Nag3 by Delhi defence Review

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Nag4 by Delhi defence Review

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Nag5 by Delhi defence Review

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Nag6 by Delhi defence Review

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Postby Indranil » 27 Apr 2018 11:02



There is discrepancy of the payload reported for Pralay in DEfExpo (500 kg and 1000kg) and the one in this TEchfocus (350 kg and 700 kg).

Also notice the size difference of the warhed in Astra (15kg), QRSAM (32 kg), Akash (55 kg) and AAD (80 kgs).

This is the first time that I have known of NGARM payload (60 kgs). Every other aspect of NGARM is beautifully captured by SJha here.

Another thing that I did not know is that SAAW's warhead is 80 kgs!

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby kit » 27 Apr 2018 13:09

JayS wrote:
ramana wrote:Are they fighting Warsaw pact forces?
3000 Nags.
100,000 APFDS.


Isn't our AGTM/MANPAD requirement runs into >10000..? Numbers from SPIKE deal are 8000 or so IIRC.

We are going to have a very large weaponized helicopter force in coming decades. That itself will need a lot of missiles. NAG and the derivatives, if used to full capacity in all forms such as ATGM, MANPAD, Heli based ATGM, ATAM etc could well run into 30-40000s in next 1-2 decades.

Such kind of anti-armour force would definitely reduce pressure from the fixed wing fighters to a great extent free-ing them for other tasks.


China and baki will be toast the moment they think about a war. I don't think there will be any short or light war ..they both will get hammered big time.

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Postby nits » 27 Apr 2018 13:17

Gurus - Once S-400 comes in - will it be under IAF or under Strategic Forces Command ?

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Postby kit » 27 Apr 2018 17:08

nits wrote:Gurus - Once S-400 comes in - will it be under IAF or under Strategic Forces Command ?


Why would it be under strategic forces command

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Postby KBDagha » 27 Apr 2018 19:23

NAG order confirmation. In addition, 127mm guns also ordered for 13 new ships under construction.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/989 ... 77351?s=19

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Postby Vips » 28 Apr 2018 01:02

Defence ministry clears procurement proposals worth Rs 3,700 crore.

The defence ministry on Thursday approved procurement proposals worth around Rs 3,700 crore, which included the indigenous “Nag” anti-tank guided missile systems and 127mm caliber naval guns for warships from the US.

The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC), chaired by minister Nirmala Sitharaman, gave the go-ahead for the acquisition of around 300 Nag third-generation anti-tank guided missiles and 25 tracked carrier vehicles called “Namica”, together worth Rs 524 crore.

“These Nag missiles, with a 4-km range, have top-attack capabilities that can effectively engage and destroy all known enemy tanks during day and night. This will give a quantum boost to the Army's capability against enemy armour,” said a MoD official.

The DAC also approved the procurement of 13 127mm calibre guns from BAE Systems of the US for over Rs 3,000 crore. “These guns, which have a 24-km range that can be further extended by using ERGMs (extended range gun munitions), will be fitted on board newly- constructed warships to provide fire support and engagement of targets on the land,” he added.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Cybaru » 28 Apr 2018 01:09

That's great news! 300 Nags is at least 200-250 dead tanks or other targets of opportunity. Western battlefield looks stronger and stronger! For east Helina on LCH would be namica equivalent.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 28 Apr 2018 01:14

The BAE 127mm naval gun is the famous Mk45, 5.0" naval gun that equips US ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%22/54_c ... ark_45_gun

tsarkar, Was there an Oto Melara in competition?
Yes there is a 127mm/64 cal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otobreda_127/64

and looks like it lost out. see the notes. Plan was to install these in the very IN ships.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Apr 2018 01:27

it is the approval, Deals will have to be signed

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Postby SaiK » 28 Apr 2018 02:38

Speaking of the challenges during trials that have kept the Nag for years in a seemingly endless loop, Christopher said, “In summer, there tank engine heat versus environment heat in a desert setting. Engine heat is hardly above that especially when switched off. It was difficult, we were pleading saying that our technology needs two degrees temperature differential. We especially had a critical problem around mid noon, from 11am to 3pm, because sun is very high and ambient temperatures are at their peak. The Nag’s range at this time was seen to fall by a few hundred meters to 3.2 km as against 4 km. In winter, there was no such problem.”

A new indigenous seeker that has been fielded in Nag trials over the last 18 months has evidently solved the problems bedeviling tests

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/04 ... rvice.html

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Postby sudeepj » 28 Apr 2018 09:04

Can the BAE gun fire anti missile rounds the way 76mmm super rapido can?

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Postby pravula » 28 Apr 2018 09:48

sudeepj wrote:Can the BAE gun fire anti missile rounds the way 76mmm super rapido can?


from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%22/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun

HVP shells fired from 5-inch deck guns would travel at Mach 3, half the speed of a railgun but twice the speed of conventional rounds.[9] The rounds would cost $25,000–50,000, more expensive than unguided shells but cheaper than missile interceptors, and engage air and missile targets out to 10–30 nautical miles (12–35 mi; 19–56 km).

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Postby tsarkar » 28 Apr 2018 13:09

Indranil wrote:There is discrepancy of the payload reported for Pralay in DEfExpo (500 kg and 1000kg) and the one in this TEchfocus (350 kg and 700 kg).

There is a discrepancy in the same document of BrahMos warhead weight with 300 & 250 kg mentioned in different pages.

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Postby Aditya G » 28 Apr 2018 21:46

76mm cannons can be used as a Cwiz .... Doubt 127mm guns have the capability given lower ROF.

My ideal solution was 2 x 76mm guns rather than a single 127mm mount

pravula wrote:
sudeepj wrote:Can the BAE gun fire anti missile rounds the way 76mmm super rapido can?


from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%22/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun

HVP shells fired from 5-inch deck guns would travel at Mach 3, half the speed of a railgun but twice the speed of conventional rounds.[9] The rounds would cost $25,000–50,000, more expensive than unguided shells but cheaper than missile interceptors, and engage air and missile targets out to 10–30 nautical miles (12–35 mi; 19–56 km).

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Postby kit » 28 Apr 2018 21:59

pravula wrote:
sudeepj wrote:Can the BAE gun fire anti missile rounds the way 76mmm super rapido can?


from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%22/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun

HVP shells fired from 5-inch deck guns would travel at Mach 3, half the speed of a railgun but twice the speed of conventional rounds.[9] The rounds would cost $25,000–50,000, more expensive than unguided shells but cheaper than missile interceptors, and engage air and missile targets out to 10–30 nautical miles (12–35 mi; 19–56 km).


i suppose these shells would have special warheads for missile interception?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby Indranil » 29 Apr 2018 02:51

tsarkar wrote:
Indranil wrote:There is discrepancy of the payload reported for Pralay in DEfExpo (500 kg and 1000kg) and the one in this TEchfocus (350 kg and 700 kg).

There is a discrepancy in the same document of BrahMos warhead weight with 300 & 250 kg mentioned in different pages.

You mean 200 and 300 kgs. Actually, both those warheads exist. Different roles.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions - May 2017

Postby ramana » 29 Apr 2018 03:04

Kit, I think HVP shells are pre fragmented reduced weight with proximity fuzes. But at Mach 3 will.erode the barrel quickly. Let's follow in Artillery thread.

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Postby Bart S » 29 Apr 2018 17:30

Vips wrote:Defence ministry clears procurement proposals worth Rs 3,700 crore.

The DAC also approved the procurement of 13 127mm calibre guns from BAE Systems of the US for over Rs 3,000 crore. “These guns, which have a 24-km range that can be further extended by using ERGMs (extended range gun munitions), will be fitted on board newly- constructed warships to provide fire support and engagement of targets on the land,” he added.



At over $35 million apiece, these guns are super-expensive. There is a good case for starting and indigenous programme for developing one, if we start now, we can perhaps have a world class family of naval guns available in 15-20 years when our economy/shipbuilding plans are in the sweet spot where we start rapidly expanding. Of course need to invest in EM guns too, but much of the subsystems can be shared.

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Postby Karthik S » 29 Apr 2018 17:44

Aditya G wrote:76mm cannons can be used as a Cwiz .... Doubt 127mm guns have the capability given lower ROF.

My ideal solution was 2 x 76mm guns rather than a single 127mm mount

pravula wrote:
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%22/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun

HVP shells fired from 5-inch deck guns would travel at Mach 3, half the speed of a railgun but twice the speed of conventional rounds.[9] The rounds would cost $25,000–50,000, more expensive than unguided shells but cheaper than missile interceptors, and engage air and missile targets out to 10–30 nautical miles (12–35 mi; 19–56 km).


Don't 127mm come handy for shore and other surface ship bombardment?

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Postby arun » 29 Apr 2018 19:34

Bart S wrote:
Vips wrote:Defence ministry clears procurement proposals worth Rs 3,700 crore.

The DAC also approved the procurement of 13 127mm calibre guns from BAE Systems of the US for over Rs 3,000 crore. “These guns, which have a 24-km range that can be further extended by using ERGMs (extended range gun munitions), will be fitted on board newly- constructed warships to provide fire support and engagement of targets on the land,” he added.



At over $35 million apiece, these guns are super-expensive. There is a good case for starting and indigenous programme for developing one, if we start now, we can perhaps have a world class family of naval guns available in 15-20 years when our economy/shipbuilding plans are in the sweet spot where we start rapidly expanding. Of course need to invest in EM guns too, but much of the subsystems can be shared.


FWIW going by the USD 440 Million price tag the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) is reporting for the sale of the same number ie: 13 naval guns of the smaller 76 mm variety a year back to the much pampered Israel, India is not getting skinned by the Amir Khan too badly:

Transmittal No: 16-87

WASHINGTON, Apr. 28, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Israel for 76mm Naval Gun and Technical Support. The estimated cost is $440 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on April 26, 2017.

The Government of Israel has requested a possible sale of thirteen (13) 76mm naval guns. Also included are shipboard spares to support their operation and preventive maintenance; spares to support repairs; special tools needed for maintenance; holding and transportation fixtures; test equipment; technical manuals, other documentation, and publications; U.S. Government and the contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; site surveys of ships and maintenance facilities; installation, checkouts and testing of the systems on the boats; operations and maintenance training; and other related support services. The estimated cost is $440 million. ………

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Postby pankajs » 29 Apr 2018 20:19

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... dnZhO.html
Brahmos missile will breach mach 7 barrier in next decade: Official [Wire feed it seems]
“We will require seven to ten years from now to become a hypersonic missile system,” Sudhir Mishra, the chief executive and managing director of the joint venture company Brahmos Aerospace, told PTI in Mumbai over the weekend.

He said the missile, which currently travels at mach 2.8 or 2.8 times the speed of sound, will touch mach 3.5 soon and mach 5 in three years.

The current engine will have to be “tinkered” to achieve mach 5 and will have to be replaced to achieve hypersonic speed, he said.

The intent is to come out with a missile that will be able to deliver to the next-generation warfare, Mishra said.

He said Indian institutions including the DRDO, IITs and Indian Institute of Science are working on technologies which will help to achieve the goals and added that Russian institutes are also doing similar work.

He said the company, which has a majority 55 per cent holding by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the remaining with Russia, has an order book of over Rs 30,000 crore at present.

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Mishra said the engine, propulsion technology and seeker are developed by the Russians, while Indians do control systems, guidance, software, airframes and fire control systems.

Over 70 per cent of the components are manufactured using private industry’s help, he said.

Mishra, however, also conceded that the missiles will be relevant for only 25-30 years and warfare will shift to newer tools like “high power lasers and high power microwave weapons” which will not require “kinetic weapon” systems.

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Postby Austin » 30 Apr 2018 08:54

pankajs wrote:https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/brahmos-missile-will-breach-mach-7-barrier-in-next-decade-top-official/story-wLlhLD8pAFYzR9tYrdnZhO.html
Brahmos missile will breach mach 7 barrier in next decade: Official [Wire feed it seems]
“We will require seven to ten years from now to become a hypersonic missile system,” Sudhir Mishra, the chief executive and managing director of the joint venture company Brahmos Aerospace, told PTI in Mumbai over the weekend.

He said the missile, which currently travels at mach 2.8 or 2.8 times the speed of sound, will touch mach 3.5 soon and mach 5 in three years.

The current engine will have to be “tinkered” to achieve mach 5 and will have to be replaced to achieve hypersonic speed, he said.

The intent is to come out with a missile that will be able to deliver to the next-generation warfare, Mishra said.

He said Indian institutions including the DRDO, IITs and Indian Institute of Science are working on technologies which will help to achieve the goals and added that Russian institutes are also doing similar work.

He said the company, which has a majority 55 per cent holding by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the remaining with Russia, has an order book of over Rs 30,000 crore at present.

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Mishra said the engine, propulsion technology and seeker are developed by the Russians, while Indians do control systems, guidance, software, airframes and fire control systems.

Over 70 per cent of the components are manufactured using private industry’s help, he said.

Mishra, however, also conceded that the missiles will be relevant for only 25-30 years and warfare will shift to newer tools like “high power lasers and high power microwave weapons” which will not require “kinetic weapon” systems.


From Mach 2.8 to Mach 3.5 a gain of 0.7 M is the speed of subsonic Harpoon and Uran class of missile .... so it like gaining a speed of subsonic missile in flight.

Mach 5 would be most promising short term gain with brahmos as it would be closer to Hypersonic speed using the current ramjet engine quite a significant achievement as none of operational deployment Ramjet engine ever did a Mach 5

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Postby jaysimha » 30 Apr 2018 11:46

Ministry of Defence 27-April, 2018 18:49 IST
DAC Approves Capital Acquisition Proposals Worth Rs 3,687 Crore

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by the Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met today and accorded approval to Capital Acquisition Proposals of the Services valued at over Rs 3,687 crore.

In a boost to indigenisation and in realisation of India's growing technological prowess, the DAC approved procurement of Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO’s) designed and developed NAG Missile System (NAMIS) at the cost of Rs 524 crore.

The system includes a third generation Anti-Tank Guided Missile, the NAG, along with the Missile Carrier Vehicle (NAMICA). The NAG missile is a third generation anti-tank guided missile, which has top attack capabilities that can effectively engage and destroy all known enemy tanks during day and night. This will give a quantum boost to the Army's capability against enemy armour.

The DAC also approved procurement of thirteen 127 mm calibre guns for the Navy. These guns will be fitted on-board new construction ships for undertaking surface engagements including Naval Gunfire Support Operations. The guns will enable Naval ships to provide fire support and engagement of targets on the land. These guns have engagement range of 24 kilometres, which could be extended further by using Extended Range Gun Munitions (ERGM). These guns, a long outstanding requirement of the Navy would be procured from BAE Systems of the United States of America under the categorisation of Buy (Global) at an approximate cost of over Rs 3,000 crore.

The DAC also reviewed the progress of the DRDO programme to develop indigenous Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS).

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