Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby chola » 18 Jul 2018 20:19

anupmisra wrote:
dinesha wrote:Pakistan to get eight Chinese submarines capable of firing land-attack missiles
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/pakistan-get- ... les-775174


Yuan class sub. Per wiki,

According to an early assessment by the US Naval Institute, the Yuan class was primarily designed as "an anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) platform capable of hiding submerged for long periods of time in difficult to access shallow littorals.


This is a dangerous precedent. The subs will be used to target IN air craft carriers, can lie in wait in shallow waters outside the naval ports for the AC to sail out to sea. India needs long range, early sub detection systems and sub killers to neutralize these paki purchases.

In April 2015, Pakistan approved purchase of 8 export version of type 039B from China for $5 billion for Pakistan Navy. The deal was finalised on 23 July 2015.[15][16] In October of the same year, it was revealed that 4 of the submarines will be built in Pakistan, with work beginning in both nations simultaneously. Pakistan's Minister for Defense Production confirmed that the agreement included transfer-of-technology to construct the vessels.[17] On 6 July 2015 Rana Tanveer Hussain, minister of defence production announced two projects for the construction of four submarines in China and four in Pakistan will begin simultaneously. Hussain added that a training centre will also be created at KSEW. In late 2016 it was officially confirmed that China will see about 4 submarines delivered by 2023 and the remainder delivered by 2028.


Export version:

Structure: double hulled
Length: 66 meter
Beam: 8 meter
Draft: 8.2 meter
Surface displacement: 1850 tons
Submerged displacement: 2300 tons
Maximum speed: 18 knots
Cruise speed: 16 knots
Range: 8000 nautical miles @ 16 knots
Endurance: 60 days
Crew: 38 total
Maximum depth: 300 meters



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_039A_submarine


So they midgetized the export version? Must have some impact on endurance and capablities. I mean this thing is a more than 1000 tons less.

Unlike the original which had been in operations for years, this thing was never used before. I can’t believe reducing a sub that much wouldn’t require retesting a lot of things. Can’t use the original training manuals when everything is more cramped and, I imagine, in different places.

Why didn’t they just get a regular Yuan? Too poor? Too untrustworthy?

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 18 Jul 2018 22:51

Pakistan Navy receives first of two ATR-72 MPAs

http://www.janes.com/article/81839/paki ... tr-72-mpas

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby sum » 19 Jul 2018 04:49

The PN is really beefing up pretty well given the budget they operate with.

Will not be too easy for IN to overcome them when the balloon goes up

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 19 Jul 2018 08:18

Their surface fleet is not as potent as their sub fleet. That is the one that will be a tough nut to crack.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby RKumar » 19 Jul 2018 13:58

Pakistan to get eight Chinese submarines capable of firing land-attack missiles


Few points:
1) If that project cost 5 billion in 2015, I will cost more now due to inflation. Can they afford it with the current financial situation?
2) 4 subs will be directly imported and 4 others subs manufactured locally. We all know, local manufacturing will cost at least 1.5 times, due to the investment required in the tools, training, infrastructure, procuring individual items and what else not. Do they have skilled manpower and again money?
3) Will China trust to hand down the critical technologies to Napakis. They operate around 30 subs, deploying in IOR next to India means - we can have closer look and find weaknesses easily. It will blunt their advantage for half of their fleet, right?


Pakistan Navy receives first of two ATR-72 MPAs


This upgrade for 2 planes cost them around 300 million $ and capability wise they are ok ok, kike our do228. Nowhere even closer to P8i. I think it will be money sunk in the sea as they will not be able to afford other 2 optional upgraded planes and keeping only two in the air will be damn expensive.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby yensoy » 19 Jul 2018 14:08

RKumar wrote:Nowhere even closer to P8i. I think it will be money sunk in the sea as they will not be able to afford other 2 optional upgraded planes and keeping only two in the air will be damn expensive.


Wiki says they still have 7 P-3C Orions which used to be pretty capable snoopers.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jul 2018 19:09

yensoy wrote:
RKumar wrote:Nowhere even closer to P8i. I think it will be money sunk in the sea as they will not be able to afford other 2 optional upgraded planes and keeping only two in the air will be damn expensive.


Wiki says they still have 7 P-3C Orions which used to be pretty capable snoopers.


Some more were taken out by Talibunnies which could not be disclosed due to H&D reasons- not just the one which media showed.

That way PN MPA have the one of the highest Attrition /Loss record in peace time. A few P-3C's crashed, Taliban took out more than 1 . whent eh Atlantiques were around IAF took out one.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby anupmisra » 20 Jul 2018 16:44

China-Pakistan military ties set to get even closer as ‘iron brothers’ eye new alliance

With reports that China is planning to build its second offshore naval base near a strategically important Pakistani port it appears that the relationship between Beijing and Islamabad is as strong as ever.
JF-17 fighter jet: In the years since, however, the jet – produced by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation – has experienced its fair share of turbulence, having crashed in both 2011 and 2016. Despite its dubious safety record Islamabad has pitched the JF17 as an affordable jet fighter for developing countries, and in 2015 secured its first export deal with an undisclosed Asian country.
Secret submarines: In 2016, Beijing agreed to sell Pakistan eight modified diesel-electric attack submarines by 2028 in a deal valued at between US$4 billion and US$5 billion. While there have been no official reports of exactly what vessels will be involved, analysts have said they are likely to be lighter versions of the People Liberation Army’s Type 039 and Type 041 Yuan-class conventional attack submarines. The vessels will be supplied by China Shipbuilding Trading Company, and Beijing is expected to extend a long-term low-interest rate loan to Pakistan to cover their cost. :lol:


So, the subs are a lighter version of the original and will be paid for by a loan...er...investment by the chinis. Hail SeePack!

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... loser-iron

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 20 Jul 2018 22:05

US is supplying 13 TPS -77 mobile radars and upgrades to existing 6 to PAF.
Total 19 units.
Don't know what they are

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 21 Jul 2018 02:55

ramana wrote:US is supplying 13 TPS -77 mobile radars and upgrades to existing 6 to PAF.
Total 19 units.
Don't know what they are

TPS-77 is a mobile radar...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/FPS-117

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 21 Jul 2018 10:58

Pakistan Navy Pay Rare Visit To Portsmouth

https://www.forces.net/news/pakistan-na ... portsmouth

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Mort Walker » 22 Jul 2018 22:14

Rakesh wrote:
ramana wrote:US is supplying 13 TPS -77 mobile radars and upgrades to existing 6 to PAF.
Total 19 units.
Don't know what they are

TPS-77 is a mobile radar...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/FPS-117


It's a low power radar that has a range of 250 NM. Easy target for IA and IAF drones to lock on and knock out. The additional units deployment is probably to avoid accidents between US military aircraft going in/out of AfPak region and civilian aircraft going through that airspace. Paki infrastructure is piss poor and existing FPS-117 units are in PoK.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby arun » 27 Jul 2018 16:47

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby chola » 27 Jul 2018 17:28

Austin wrote:Pakistan Navy Pay Rare Visit To Portsmouth

https://www.forces.net/news/pakistan-na ... portsmouth


Paki Navy’s As(s)lat with HMS Somerset off Portsmouth:
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Asslat’s Z-9 at Portsmouth:
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Now off to new buddy Russia:
https://twitter.com/KielDolphin/status/1022521883206541316
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Pakistani Zulfiquar-class frigate #Aslat passed Great Belt and Fehmarn on her way to St. Petersburg. The ship was shaddowed by Royal Danish Navy. It is the first time that a modern Pakistani Missileship is in the Baltic

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby anupmisra » 27 Jul 2018 17:41

Pakistan to gift a landing Craft to Maldives Navy

Pakistan will gift a Landing Craft to Maldives as part of strengthening the naval capability of the archipelago.
The Landing Craft will assist Maldivian Coast Guard in its efforts to contribute towards regional peace. :shock:


So, pakis have (or had) two mechanized landing crafts, both delivered in 2016, and they just gave away one to Maldives which probably has no use or need for it (who are they going to invade? Seychelles?). What gives?

https://navaltoday.com/2016/04/22/pakis ... ing-craft/
https://timesofislamabad.com/23-Jul-201 ... dives-navy

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby arun » 14 Aug 2018 08:59

X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

Reality that the LHTEC engines have the involvement of a US company, namely Honeywell, dawns regards the T129 ATAK deal 8) .

The Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is financing the deal by taking on debt from Brotherly Turkey who themselves are racing against Pakistan to see who will be the first to borrow from the IMF :roll: . IMF should keep a close watch to ensure IMF Funds are not used to finance this deal by either Turkey or Pakistan.

Is it any wonder that that a Turkish contestant on the Turkeys version of KBC thought the Great Wall of China was maybe in India ( Where is The Great Wall of China? Woman on Turkish Version of KBC Used 2 Lifelines for This : Is it... India? ) when “Turkish defense official” thinks Pakistan is “a country that has friendly relations with America “ :rotfl: :

Diplomatic row jeopardizes $1.5B helicopter deal between Turkey and Pakistan

By: Burak Ege Bekdil   11 hours ago

ANKARA, Turkey — An escalating diplomatic crisis between NATO allies Turkey and the United States may risk suspending a $1.5 billion deal between Turkey and Pakistan for the sale of 30 Turkish-made T129 ATAK helicopter gunships.

The T129 is being produced by Turkish Aerospace Industries under license from the Italian-British company AgustaWestland.

“The problem is related with the U.S.-made parts for which TAI will need U.S. export licenses in order to materialize the deal,” a Turkish aerospace official said.

The T129, based on its predecessor A129 Mangusta, is a twin-engine multirole attack helicopter. The T129 is powered by two LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of output power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine. LHTEC is a joint venture between the American firm Honeywell and the British company Rolls-Royce.

“Apparently we shall need U.S. export licenses to go ahead with the T129 deal,” a senior procurement official said. “This is not a technological or financial matter but is purely political at the moment.” ………………………..

“This is a commercial deal (with Pakistan) with a country that has friendly relations with America :lol: . For Washington what matters should be the recipient of the systems, not who produces it and if relations are bumpy with the producer country,” a Turkish defense official said. “Why should the Americans punish Pakistan for their disagreements with Turkey?” :((

A TAI official said a U.S. embargo on the chopper deal was unlikely because it would also hurt a U.S. company as well as two British companies and one Italian. “These are not enemy producers,” he said. “They are on the ally side. And we (TAI) are not being sanctioned by the U.S. or any other ally country.”

A U.S. diplomat in Ankara refused to comment. …………………….


To finance one of the country’s largest defense and aerospace export contracts, Turkey offered Pakistan a $1.5 billion credit line in 2017, but the deal’s payment terms are unknown. ………….


From Defense News:

Diplomatic row jeopardizes $1.5B helicopter deal between Turkey and Pakistan

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Manish_P » 16 Aug 2018 21:19

What gives?

Just showing off or are the Pakis so spooked nowadays that they even come to a sweets-exchange meet in full gear (BPJs Knee/elbow pads, NVGs).

Or were they all just scared of that one Indian soldier.. the one with the huge optic on his AK :mrgreen:

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby souravB » 16 Aug 2018 23:53

anupmisra wrote:Pakistan to gift a landing Craft to Maldives Navy

Pakistan will gift a Landing Craft to Maldives as part of strengthening the naval capability of the archipelago.
The Landing Craft will assist Maldivian Coast Guard in its efforts to contribute towards regional peace. :shock:


So, pakis have (or had) two mechanized landing crafts, both delivered in 2016, and they just gave away one to Maldives which probably has no use or need for it (who are they going to invade? Seychelles?). What gives?

https://navaltoday.com/2016/04/22/pakis ... ing-craft/
https://timesofislamabad.com/23-Jul-201 ... dives-navy

China will reimburse them. Since China cannot directly deal with Maldives because we will not take it quietly, they are acting as the middleman. I am just amazed at the quantity of narcissism that allows one to think this will not be noticed by anybody.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Khalsa » 17 Aug 2018 01:31

Manish_P wrote:What gives?

Just showing off or are the Pakis so spooked nowadays that they even come to a sweets-exchange meet in full gear (BPJs Knee/elbow pads, NVGs).

Or were they all just scared of that one Indian soldier.. the one with the huge optic on his AK :mrgreen:

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Seen this pic before from other years as well.
I like the fact that our auxillary vest blends with the uniform. Their Sandyish Camo with the black auxillary vest stands out quite well.
However I do like their helmet only because it allows for attachments of NVGs etc.
Can't wait for our helmets to percolate to the lowest levels and frontline units as well.

Good Machoistic Pic !!

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Sid » 17 Aug 2018 02:40

Both parties have same weapon type, same armor level, everything same. Pure psyops photo shoot.

A more imposing shot would have been where Indian troops had no combat load, while porkies still in full gear.


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