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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 04 Apr 2019 23:15

Why will Turkey collaborate with Beggaristan? Its a repainted FC-31, more or less.

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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2019 23:21

Yes PAF wont take the risk of designing a new aircraft or co-develop one with another country as that might take decades or even fail.

Likely they will customise the J-31 design based on PAF needs and use some export variant of chinese AESA and radar and assemble it. Even that would take a decade plus for them to do.

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Postby gaurav.p » 04 Apr 2019 23:27

Agree, Yes that seems a more plausible path to take.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Vivasvat » 05 Apr 2019 02:23

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/pak-army-promotes-40-brigadiers-to-major-general/752764.html
Pakistan Army promotes 40 Brigadiers to the rank of Major General.

11 of them were from Army Medical Corps.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 09 Apr 2019 00:29

Link x-psoted from Mig 21 vs F 16 thread....

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51 ... 16s-02396/

I guess all these are needed to fight the Taliban Air Farce.

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s
Jan 17, 2017 00:57 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
Latest update [?]

PAF F-16A Block 15s
PAF F-16As

Modernization program finishes with TAI deliveries.

January 17/17: Pakistan is hoping that a Donald Trump presidency may restart a plan external link external link to procure F-16 jets through a foreign military financial aid scheme. US Congress downed the plan last year following concerns by some lawmakers over Islamabad’s allegiances in regards to counter-terrorism operations in the region. It was decided that if Pakistan wanted the F-16s, they would have to pay for them out of their own pocket.
Keep reading for the whole story with recent events put in context
F-16A Pakistan Bombing
PAF F-16A drops Mk.82s
(click to view full)

On June 28/06, the US DSCA notified Congress via a series of releases of its intention to provide Pakistan with a $5.1 billion Foreign Military Sales package to upgrade the F-16s that serve as the PAF’s top of the line fighters. Some of these items had been put on hold following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan & Kashmir, but the request for 36 new F-16 Block 50/52s is now going ahead, along with new weapons, engine modifications, and upgrade kits for Pakistan’s older F-16 A/Bs. The buy went through, and was accompanied by the supply of 26 older F-16s from USAF surplus stocks. Then, a 2014 sale added 13 machines from from Jordan.

These items are detailed below, along with controversies the proposed sales have created, and some of the conditions attached to the sale by the US government….
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The Sales: New and Upgraded F-16s

Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – up to $3 billion
PAF F-16D Block 52

PAF F-16D Block 52
(click to view full)

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 external link aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 external link or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 external link Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The total value, if all options are exercised, was estimated as high as $3 billion, which is in line with Pentagon releases that eventually peg the negotiated cost of 12 F-16Cs, 6 F-16Ds, and ancillary equipment at $1.4 billion. Pratt & Whitney kept their customer, and supplied the new jets with their F100-PW-229 EEP engine, making them all F-16 Block 52s. The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:

7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets external link
36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
1 Unit Level Trainer
Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.

The principal contractors under Pakistan’s “Peace Drive” buy will be:

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX
BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY
Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA
Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA
Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH

There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft.

Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million

To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster external link bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse

Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.

The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million. The principal contractors will be:

BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD

There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.

Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion


According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B external link MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar external link or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
Have Quick I/II Radios
Link-16 external link Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
Reconnaissance pod capability
Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
1 Unit Level Trainer; and
10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.

The principal contractors will be:

BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD

Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract external link to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.

There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives. See DSCA release external link [PDF].

InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade external link. The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.

Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
F100 engine

F100 Engine Test

The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.

More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:

14 F100-PW-220E engines external link
14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.

The principal contractors will be:

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.

There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Ardeshir » 11 Apr 2019 08:22

Sorry if posted already:

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1116030128415563777
Pakis getting to fly Qatari Rafales before we do.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Sanju » 11 Apr 2019 08:35

it is a two year old news showing up a day before elections....

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rahul M » 11 Apr 2019 08:41

Ardeshir wrote:Sorry if posted already:

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1116030128415563777
Pakis getting to fly Qatari Rafales before we do.

PAF has been operating chinese Mig-21's since at least 1980's. didn't stop them getting their best plane knocked out by a Mig-21.

unless we make it yourself, nothing we use would be exclusive to us.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby sudeepj » 11 Apr 2019 08:44

Vivasvat wrote:https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/pak-army-promotes-40-brigadiers-to-major-general/752764.html
Pakistan Army promotes 40 Brigadiers to the rank of Major General.

11 of them were from Army Medical Corps.


This seems unusual.. Is this a reward for keeping a lid on the Balakote casualties..???

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby nachiket » 11 Apr 2019 10:22

Rahul M wrote:PAF has been operating chinese Mig-21's since at least 1980's. didn't stop them getting their best plane knocked out by a Mig-21.

It is funny how the bread and butter fighter of both air forces was pretty much the same aircraft for so long. Ours had a radar and their's did not, but neither was BVR capable.

The Bison is a generation ahead of any F-7 in both BVR and WVR though.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 11 Apr 2019 15:11

Ardeshir wrote:Sorry if posted already:

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1116030128415563777
Pakis getting to fly Qatari Rafales before we do.


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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Avinandan » 11 Apr 2019 17:50

Ardeshir wrote:Sorry if posted already:

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1116030128415563777
Pakis getting to fly Qatari Rafales before we do.


Did Pakistani pilots receive training to fly Rafale? French ambassador says ‘fake news’
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/did-pakistani-pilots-receive-training-to-fly-rafale-french-ambassador-says-fake-news/ar-BBVPRdB?ocid=spartanntp

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 12 Apr 2019 13:02

Pakistan received another batch of Ukrainian 6TD tank engines for T-80UD and Al-Khalid
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3604869.html

state company Ukrspetsexport in March 2019 delivered 304 Spares Depot EME (Pakistan ) the next batch of engines 6TD-2 459M.TU and 6TD-1 459I.TU produced by GP “Plant named after VA Malyshev” for the total amount of 4.653 million dollars.


Recall that in 2018 the State Enterprise "Plant named after V. Malyshev" 45 engines were shipped to Pakistan - 6TD-2 459M.TU at a price of $ 376,026 for each and 6TD-1 459І.TU at a price of $ 31,720 for each.

The 6TD-2 459M.TU engine, diesel, two-stroke opposed 6-cylinder, with turbocharging, 882 kW. (1200 hp) is intended for installation on the Al-Khalid tank.

The 6TD-1 459I.TU engine, diesel, two-stroke opposed 6-cylinder, with turbocharging, with a capacity of 735 kW (1000 hp), is intended for installation on the MTA of the T-80UD tank.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby chola » 12 Apr 2019 13:26

sudeepj wrote:
Vivasvat wrote:https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/pak-army-promotes-40-brigadiers-to-major-general/752764.html
Pakistan Army promotes 40 Brigadiers to the rank of Major General.

11 of them were from Army Medical Corps.


This seems unusual.. Is this a reward for keeping a lid on the Balakote casualties..???


Or treating mass casualties from the arty duels on Siachen and the POK.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby kit » 15 Apr 2019 04:36

What does Pakistan need to close its air defense gaps?
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia ... ense-gaps/

He highly rates the R-77 and Mica and believes the Indian Air Force “simply got surprised and overwhelmed” by the Pakistani daytime strike on Feb. 27. That airstrike took place over the cease-fire line in the disputed region of Kashmir. Indian jets responded and a confrontation ensued.

“That is not to say that the Meteor is not amongst the best, but it, too, might be rendered toothless if the [Indian Air Force] employs it as poorly as it did on Feb. 27,” he said. :((

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 15 Apr 2019 08:24

Lol, Tufail is clearly upset at the IAF criticism of the PAFs BVR tactics.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Apr 2019 11:02

kit wrote:What does Pakistan need to close its air defense gaps?
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia ... ense-gaps/

He highly rates the R-77 and Mica and believes the Indian Air Force “simply got surprised and overwhelmed” by the Pakistani daytime strike on Feb. 27. That airstrike took place over the cease-fire line in the disputed region of Kashmir. Indian jets responded and a confrontation ensued.

“That is not to say that the Meteor is not amongst the best, but it, too, might be rendered toothless if the [Indian Air Force] employs it as poorly as it did on Feb. 27,” he said. :((

I think this the best we can get from an ex PAF person itself, it was not missile but self imposed ROE which saved the day for PAF, we waited till they fired first and still did not unleash hell when they did. As ex PAF he can't put it more clearly that it is our self imposed restraint which saved the day.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Vivasvat » 15 Apr 2019 21:16

PAKISTAN AIR FORCE TAKES DELIVERY OF 3 SAAB 2000 AIRCRAFT
https://quwa.org/2019/04/14/pakistan-ai ... ircraft-2/

Skyworld Aviation, an aircraft sales and leasing broker, delivered the aircraft – i.e., J-038, J-024, and J-062 – to the DGDP in November 2018. The PAF had originally ordered five Saab 2000s, i.e., four to house the Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system and one for VIP flights and training.

In 2012, one of the four Erieye AEW&C was written-off, while two were seriously damaged. However, the two damaged aircraft were repaired at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and, in turn, resulted in PAC building depot-level maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) capabilities.

In 2017, the PAF reportedly ordered three additional Erieye AEW&C aircraft (Air Forces Monthly), of which the first was slated for delivery in December 2017 and the remaining two in 2018. If completed, this would raise the PAF fleet to six, which it trimmed to four following the 2005 earthquake in Kashmir.

Quwa’s examination of EXIM logs show that Saab made major radar equipment deliveries to Pakistan in 2017 and 2018. In March 2019, Sweden’s Inspectorate of Strategic Products confirmed that Saab sold an Erieye AEW&C system to Pakistan in 2018.[1] However, the Inspectorate had reportedly added that this Erieye order was in relation to the PAF’s original order (i.e., to replace the written-off unit), and that “no new export transactions have been approved to Pakistan since 2007.”[2]

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 16 Apr 2019 02:02

Saab delivers radar equipment to Paki AF

Defence and security company Saab delivered three sets of radar equipment to Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Base Nur Khan (Chaklala) on 9 April, according to the information provided by the Pakistan Import Export Trade Database.

Although not specified by the website, it is possible that the Swedish company delivered three Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar systems for fitment onto an equal number of twin-engined Saab 2000 aircraft that were handed over to Pakistan's Directorate General Defence Purchase in 2018, according to aircraft sales specialist Skyworld Aviation.


In a 26 June statement Skyworld Aviation announced that the aircraft had previously been in operation with Sweden-based BRA Braathens Regional Airlines.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby sudeepj » 16 Apr 2019 03:41


Pakistan has 10 awacs now compared to India's 5. Situation is laughably stupid but could be rectified in one year. Please buy a few more embraer and put them in service as the Netra.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby sum » 16 Apr 2019 06:09

10 seems a huge overkill for a country the size of TSP.
How do they maintain such a large fleet since this isn't bheek maal ( mostly the Chinese AWACs are duds)?

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby nam » 16 Apr 2019 09:10

It is transport aircraft.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 16 Apr 2019 10:07

the chinese awacs are poor in quality vs the ereyie and restricted to operating over the sea only.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 16 Apr 2019 11:20

Lol..have to give it to the Pakis to think out of the box and acquire capabilities that allow them to stand up to a larger foe..so they cant afford nor do they have access to high power FCR on their frontline fighters, aerostat radars etc so they get Erieyes and make SAAB an offer it cant refuse. Meanwhile, our Phalcons are stuck on some babus desk at Delhi.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby chola » 16 Apr 2019 13:15

Vivasvat wrote:PAKISTAN AIR FORCE TAKES DELIVERY OF 3 SAAB 2000 AIRCRAFT
https://quwa.org/2019/04/14/pakistan-ai ... ircraft-2/

Skyworld Aviation, an aircraft sales and leasing broker, delivered the aircraft – i.e., J-038, J-024, and J-062 – to the DGDP in November 2018. The PAF had originally ordered five Saab 2000s, i.e., four to house the Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system and one for VIP flights and training.

In 2012, one of the four Erieye AEW&C was written-off, while two were seriously damaged. However, the two damaged aircraft were repaired at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and, in turn, resulted in PAC building depot-level maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) capabilities.

In 2017, the PAF reportedly ordered three additional Erieye AEW&C aircraft (Air Forces Monthly), of which the first was slated for delivery in December 2017 and the remaining two in 2018. If completed, this would raise the PAF fleet to six, which it trimmed to four following the 2005 earthquake in Kashmir.

Quwa’s examination of EXIM logs show that Saab made major radar equipment deliveries to Pakistan in 2017 and 2018. In March 2019, Sweden’s Inspectorate of Strategic Products confirmed that Saab sold an Erieye AEW&C system to Pakistan in 2018.[1] However, the Inspectorate had reportedly added that this Erieye order was in relation to the PAF’s original order (i.e., to replace the written-off unit), and that “no new export transactions have been approved to Pakistan since 2007.”[2]



Sounds like the Pakis bought three more Erieyes to replace the three destroyed by the Pakiban. All the talk of being able to repair two not withstanding, this is not a growth in capacity.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Cain Marko » 16 Apr 2019 13:52

So now they can watch the show but that ain't gonna stop the blow. All the more painful as you watch it from various angles and slowmo.

Anyway, they'll need the extra erieye airframes especially after the s400 comes in... Heh

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby bhavani » 16 Apr 2019 21:49

sudeepj wrote:

Pakistan has 10 awacs now compared to India's 5. Situation is laughably stupid but could be rectified in one year. Please buy a few more embraer and put them in service as the Netra.


No Issue sir, India will soon float an RFP for 3 AEW aircarfts. The requirement will list a plane from Russia or might be from Chile or Brazil (If babus like South American PYT's) and Engines from UK or Mexico. The plan needs to integrate radios and from some itsy bitsy stuff from DRDO and the Radar will be from Israel or Ghana or Mauritania ( if babu wants an African vacation). Dont forget the gold plating from US.

By the time all these things are brought together and assembled it will be take 600 babus running around the world and then some bitter babu who did not get a first class ticket to holy land for vacation will spill something to Mumbai Mirror or Chennai Times. Then CAG will scuttle the whole deal. In 10 years IAF will get 1 or 2 of the planned planes for a whopping 3 billions bucks. The third one will be assembled and sitting in a third country and being used by them. But India will be paying parking costs to to them.

Then 5-6 Paki generals and 30 Paki pilots/staff will go Europe party with PYT's for a month and will fly back with 6 AEW completely off the shelf for a measly 1 billion from one of the cold countries.

Then Some Arm chair experts will write a bunch of articles and We will be back to the headless chicken state again. Again We will float an RFP for 2 AEW.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 16 Apr 2019 22:14

chola wrote:
Vivasvat wrote:PAKISTAN AIR FORCE TAKES DELIVERY OF 3 SAAB 2000 AIRCRAFT
https://quwa.org/2019/04/14/pakistan-ai ... ircraft-2/




Sounds like the Pakis bought three more Erieyes to replace the three destroyed by the Pakiban. All the talk of being able to repair two not withstanding, this is not a growth in capacity.


Not sure about this, because if it was, the Pakis couldn't have put enough Erieyes in the air round the clock throughout Feb. I am presuming they had at least 3 Erieyes operational. And these 3 new Erieyes replace the junkyard Chinese AWACS which can't see over land due to the clutter.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby K Mehta » 16 Apr 2019 22:31

Quwa news is a fake news site run by ispr. It has done this before. This news is in connection to the revival of awacs program by India.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 16 Apr 2019 22:36

Quwa is just some Paki expat in US. But the SAAB news is true, I had already posted it earlier.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby K Mehta » 16 Apr 2019 22:56

Saab 2000 != Erieye. It is a jet aircraft

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Bart S » 16 Apr 2019 23:22

Kartik wrote:Saab delivers radar equipment to Paki AF

Defence and security company Saab delivered three sets of radar equipment to Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Base Nur Khan (Chaklala) on 9 April, according to the information provided by the Pakistan Import Export Trade Database.

Although not specified by the website, it is possible that the Swedish company delivered three Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar systems for fitment onto an equal number of twin-engined Saab 2000 aircraft that were handed over to Pakistan's Directorate General Defence Purchase in 2018, according to aircraft sales specialist Skyworld Aviation.


In a 26 June statement Skyworld Aviation announced that the aircraft had previously been in operation with Sweden-based BRA Braathens Regional Airlines.


Let us be clear that it is not Saab responsible for this but Ericsson. The GOI should make it's displeasure known by blocking Ericsson from the 5G market, but along with babooze will probably soundly sleep through the whole episode. :(

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Bart S » 16 Apr 2019 23:23

K Mehta wrote:Saab 2000 != Erieye. It is a jet aircraft


Incorrect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieye

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Lisa » 16 Apr 2019 23:38

Arun had posted this some 8 years ago. Sorry, do not know how to post a post.

"In 2006, the GOP signed a five year contract to purchase 18 new Block 52 aircraft. The first delivery is scheduled for 2010. As of September 2008, Pakistan had paid $388 million in national funds, leaving a balance due of $1.04 billion. The GOP is over 30 days behind schedule on its December 2008 payment; its September payment was made almost three months late and only after Pakistan received the first tranche of its IMF Standby Agreement payment. The next payments due are: $113M in December 2008 (now overdue), $99.5M in March 2009, and $301M in June 2009.

Finance Minister Tareen confirmed to Ambassador January 28 that Pakistan would make the overdue December payment "soon," but he asked for three-four months grace period on the next two payments, so that they could be included in the GOP's next budget cycle, which begins in June 2009. Both Tareen and Defense Minister Mukhtar have admitted they are not sure if Pakistan can continue to pay. Post firmly believes that the GOP cannot afford to continue to make these payments, and we do not expect this situation to change. The GOP is also reportedly behind in payments to China, Sweden and other countries for JF-17s, Erieye Airborne Early Warning And Control(AEW&C) radar and other aircraft/programs."

If this was the situation in 2009, how exactly can they now afford these Erieye's now. I frankly doubt this news.

P.S. Arun's post was on Post subject: Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc PostPosted: 30 May 2011 03:42

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 16 Apr 2019 23:48

Lisa, these purchases were likely soft financed by the UAE and KSA.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby brar_w » 17 Apr 2019 01:23

Bart S wrote:


Let us be clear that it is not Saab responsible for this but Ericsson. The GOI should make it's displeasure known by blocking Ericsson from the 5G market, but along with babooze will probably soundly sleep through the whole episode. :(


Ericsson spun off its Military and Space businesses to SAAB more than a decade ago.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rahul M » 17 Apr 2019 01:30

Lisa wrote:Arun had posted this some 8 years ago. Sorry, do not know how to post a post.

right click on the tiny brown icon left of the " by PosterName", and copy the link.

like so : viewtopic.php?p=2344008#p2344008

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby K Mehta » 17 Apr 2019 06:23

Bart S wrote:
K Mehta wrote:Saab 2000 != Erieye. It is a jet aircraft


Incorrect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieye

And from the same link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_2000

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby K Mehta » 17 Apr 2019 06:43

After reading the other links, I have changed my opinion, fizzleya may have 6 erieye now. With chinese chapati the total aewc will be 10.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Bart S » 17 Apr 2019 06:49

K Mehta wrote:

And from the same link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_2000


Not sure what your point is. Your original statement was that Saab 2000 is not an Erieye because it is not a jet, but in reality the Erieye is just a radar system that can be installed on any compatible platform, whether jet or turboprop. So the Saab 2000 can very much be an Erieye platform, in fact the Wikipedia link even has a picture of a Saab 2000 Erieye plane.

You maybe confusing it with the Saab's upgraded/newer system called Globaleye which is currently only available on a jet platform, however it is probably easily portable to a turboprop platform if the customer wants.


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