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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby mody » 07 Sep 2019 16:50

The answer for second hand Mirage Vs is not India buying second had Mig-29s, but more Akash MK1/MK1S squadrons across the western border and additional LCA Mk1/MK1As. We should have at least 8-10 squadrons of Akash missiles on the western front, all the way from Mumbai to Srinagar. Along with the SpyDer missiles that we have acquired and the upcoming QRSAM, this would be make it extremely dangerous for any low level ground attack paki aircraft to cross any part of the border with India.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Pratyush » 07 Sep 2019 18:02

^^^ disagree, the answer to any Mirage purchase by TSP is Tejas.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Sanju » 07 Sep 2019 18:52

MeshaVishwas wrote:This is how the (above?)average delusional Fizzleya afsar thinks.:rotfl:

Listen at 11:22, the interviewer asks "jahaz aage bhi jati hain aur peeche bhi.. Reverse" and the aphsar affirms. :rotfl: :rotfl:

The aphsar talks of MM Alam, SU30 bought down as the second craft and the final kicker that the JF-17 was given the number higher than the 16 in F-16, as it is better than F-16.

Could that really be a PAF officer? Shameful...

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Gagan » 08 Sep 2019 01:12

This Shahid Latif is an out and out Jihadi Afsar
One wonders if he was involved in lifting Atta's Tatta while the ISI was training him for 9/11

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Bart S » 08 Sep 2019 02:17

Sanju wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:This is how the (above?)average delusional Fizzleya afsar thinks.:rotfl:

Listen at 11:22, the interviewer asks "jahaz aage bhi jati hain aur peeche bhi.. Reverse" and the aphsar affirms. :rotfl: :rotfl:

The aphsar talks of MM Alam, SU30 bought down as the second craft and the final kicker that the JF-17 was given the number higher than the 16 in F-16, as it is better than F-16.

Could that really be a PAF officer? Shameful...


He is not just a 'PAF officer' but a 3-star Air Marshall and was Vice Chief of the PAF. He is probably a prime example of the post-Zia radicalization that has been much talked about. Whereas the older generation had people like Air Marshall Asghar etc, the post Zia kind are either full on jihadi nutjobs or have thrown in their lot with the jihadi nutjobs as anything else is futile.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby naird » 08 Sep 2019 05:07

Bart S wrote:
He is not just a 'PAF officer' but a 3-star Air Marshall and was Vice Chief of the PAF. He is probably a prime example of the post-Zia radicalization that has been much talked about. Whereas the older generation had people like Air Marshall Asghar etc, the post Zia kind are either full on jihadi nutjobs or have thrown in their lot with the jihadi nutjobs as anything else is futile.


Shahid lateef was instrumental in operationalizing F16 in PAF. He was one of the pilots who flew F16 into pak and was instrumental in setting the entire F16 force. Was tipped to be next air chief at some point. He is quite famous amongst pakis. Also goes to show what kind of officer has in its calibre going by the video above.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby manjgu » 08 Sep 2019 07:24

and u should also see his tweets !! gutter level talk ...

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Postby Aditya_V » 08 Sep 2019 08:29

I think its better, we dont want logical thinkers and hard workers in PAF, what we need to do is get this message across to the IAF

1) Which thinks too much on escalation
2) Following ROE's etc
3) I see too much empathy for PAF pilots in IAF memoirs, "After all he is also a soldier, holding back on firing since they think about how PAF pilot will feel when bullets hit him" etc.

Thats why they could intercept at Balakot and were happy dropping flares all over Pakistan and making fun of IAF, the Jihadis look up to PAF and then PA for safety. If PAF is brought down then Pakis feel vulnerable.

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Postby Philip » 08 Sep 2019 21:05

As the failed post- Balakot air raid of the "24 houris" showed, numbers have a quality of their own.Pak is trying to increase numbers of combat aircraft urgently to prepare for another spat with India.As said before, even a " bomb truck" armed with PGMs or AAMs in a defensivd role has their uses.

A quick correction; our MIG-29s are not used aircraft but new mothballed , never used.The Russians have a philosophy of doing this anticipating war losses from experience. Which is why they are still using Sov.- era legacy bombers like Backfires, Bears and ASW IL-38s.Upgraded with modern cockpits, sensors and weaponry,bringing them upto contemporary standard, these become very cost- effective solutions to replacing old aircraft. Our planned 21 MIG-29s will be brought upto 29 UPG standards for just $40M apiece, the same agreed cost of a Tejas Mk-1A announced a few days ago.These 21 aircraft will all be delivered in just 18 months too, along with 12 MKIs to replace attritions.In fact if there are more useful life MIG-29s available - with Malaysia , etc., the IAF should pick them up on the cheap and upgrade them too.Upgraded 29s are supposed to be able to soldier on for upto 40 yrs.

What the IAF must anticipate and factor in with their kmmediate war plans, is the real possibility of Chinese transfers of their reverse- engineered Flankrrs. Even though they may be inferior to our MKIs, it will give the PAF a better fleet with enhanced capabilities for both strike and air defence.Once the PLAAF have inducted their stealth birds into operational service, it will be inevitable that they will find their way to Pak.Remember that for all practical purposes, Pak is a Chinese satellite / province that it will do everything in its power not to fail militarily. Arming Pak forces India to spend scarce resources in defending our western anx northern borders while the Chinese steadily and relentlessly increase their military presence and capabiliyy in Tibet threatening Ar.Pradesh.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Bart S » 09 Sep 2019 05:04

naird wrote:
Bart S wrote:
He is not just a 'PAF officer' but a 3-star Air Marshall and was Vice Chief of the PAF. He is probably a prime example of the post-Zia radicalization that has been much talked about. Whereas the older generation had people like Air Marshall Asghar etc, the post Zia kind are either full on jihadi nutjobs or have thrown in their lot with the jihadi nutjobs as anything else is futile.


Shahid lateef was instrumental in operationalizing F16 in PAF. He was one of the pilots who flew F16 into pak and was instrumental in setting the entire F16 force. Was tipped to be next air chief at some point. He is quite famous amongst pakis. Also goes to show what kind of officer has in its calibre going by the video above.


You mean JF-17 Bandar not F-16, right?

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Ganesh_S » 09 Sep 2019 06:22

Bart S wrote:
naird wrote:
Shahid lateef was instrumental in operationalizing F16 in PAF. He was one of the pilots who flew F16 into pak and was instrumental in setting the entire F16 force. Was tipped to be next air chief at some point. He is quite famous amongst pakis. Also goes to show what kind of officer has in its calibre going by the video above.


You mean JF-17 Bandar not F-16, right?


He meant f 16. There used to be videos
of him bragging about it.

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Postby Kartik » 11 Sep 2019 03:18

Damen launches second of 2300 ton corvettes for Paki Navy
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Dutch shipbuilder Damen has launched the second of two 2,300-ton corvettes on order for the Pakistan Navy (PN) at its facilities in Galati, Romania.

The PN announced on its Facebook page that the vessel (with pennant number 272) entered the water on 3 September in a ceremony attended by PN Chief of Staff (Personnel) Vice Admiral Ather Mukhtar, among others.

The contract for the two platforms, which the PN has also referred to as offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), was signed in June 2017. The first ship, which was launched at the same shipyard on 17 May, is expected to enter service by the end of 2019, and the second one is set to be delivered by mid-2020, according to the navy.

Vice Adm Mukhtar was quoted as saying during the ceremony that the vessels "will act as force multipliers in enhancing [the] navy's capability of safeguarding maritime frontiers and will offer more flexibility in the conduct of [the] Pakistan Navy's initiative of independent Regional Maritime Security Patrols in the Indian Ocean Region".

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Vips » 11 Sep 2019 03:30

Ganesh_S wrote:
Bart S wrote:
You mean JF-17 Bandar not F-16, right?


He meant f 16. There used to be videos
of him bragging about it.


Wasn't there a tidbit with news reports listed here in the forum of how Shahid Latif literally shat in his diapers in a combat/emergency situation?
I remember it very vividly.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2019 02:44

I had some spare time. I went through our CAG reports (whatever available) on St Antony's time. We literally disarmed ourselves due to inaction in key areas, either deliberate or because of the DPP's crazy process. The Modi Govt's first 2 years were wasted with the Fin Min focused on his primary dept. Pathankot & Uri both woke us up, I suspect even Modi was taken aback by the depth of rot in the procurement system and hence the emergency powers system to build up WWR & OFB's pathetic performance remains a concern. OTOH, Pakistan has run a heavy procurements system with literally Pakistan having become a suburb of China & also importing kit from Europe to fill up gaps. Good going. Now that we seem to have woken up (regular cadence of orders being signed, gaps being filled), they'll find it hard to retain any advantage.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Sep 2019 13:49

Kartik wrote:Damen launches second of 2300 ton corvettes for Paki Navy
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Dutch shipbuilder Damen has launched the second of two 2,300-ton corvettes on order for the Pakistan Navy (PN) at its facilities in Galati, Romania.

The PN announced on its Facebook page that the vessel (with pennant number 272) entered the water on 3 September in a ceremony attended by PN Chief of Staff (Personnel) Vice Admiral Ather Mukhtar, among others.

The contract for the two platforms, which the PN has also referred to as offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), was signed in June 2017. The first ship, which was launched at the same shipyard on 17 May, is expected to enter service by the end of 2019, and the second one is set to be delivered by mid-2020, according to the navy.

Vice Adm Mukhtar was quoted as saying during the ceremony that the vessels "will act as force multipliers in enhancing [the] navy's capability of safeguarding maritime frontiers and will offer more flexibility in the conduct of [the] Pakistan Navy's initiative of independent Regional Maritime Security Patrols in the Indian Ocean Region".


The Indian Navy would maximum call these OPV- if they were Charitable, our OPV will be better armed thatn these

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Sanju » 13 Sep 2019 14:07

Bart S wrote:< snip >
He is not just a 'PAF officer' but a 3-star Air Marshall and was Vice Chief of the PAF. He is probably a prime example of the post-Zia radicalization that has been much talked about. Whereas the older generation had people like Air Marshall Asghar etc, the post Zia kind are either full on jihadi nutjobs or have thrown in their lot with the jihadi nutjobs as anything else is futile.


Thank you Bart ji and Nairdji for the info.

Shameful... Sounds more like a pimp than a professional

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Postby Kartik » 14 Sep 2019 04:22

PN Sea Kings exercise with Turkish Special Forces

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Pakistan originally took delivery of six Sea King Mk45s, which first entered service in July 1975. Following the loss of one of these on February 8, 1986, a single ex-Royal Navy Sea King HAS5 was acquired as an attrition replacement and delivered as a Mk45A in January 1989.

Six Sea King Mk45/45As are currently operated by 111 Squadron at Pakistan Naval Station Mehran, Karachi. A further seven second-hand Sea Kings have also been acquired more recently from the UK Ministry of Defence. These were formally handed over in the UK on May 24, 2017. The deal involved five Sea King HC4 ‘Junglies’, the other two being former Royal Air Force search-and-rescue Sea King HAR3As.

Under a separate contract, Vector Aerospace prepared three of the ex-UK Sea Kings (two HC4 and one HAR3A model) for service in Pakistan, stripped two HC4s for spares in the UK, and sent an HC4 and a HAR3A as spares ships to Pakistan. The three operational aircraft entered service from December 2017 but one of the ‘Junglies’ was lost in an accident on August 31, 2018.


So 3 out of 7 were actually operational. 2 Sea King HC4 and 1 Search and Rescue Sea King HAR3A.
2 out of 7 Sea King HC4 stripped for spares
2 out of 7 (1 Sea King HC4 and 1 SAR Sea King HAR3A)

And then they lost 1 Sea King HC4 on Aug31, 2018. So they're left with 1 Sea King HC4 and 1 Sea King HAR3A out of that second order for second- hand airframes.

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Postby AdityaM » 15 Sep 2019 02:36

PAF publishes target video

https://twitter.com/anasmallick/status/ ... 70720?s=21

ACTUAL video displayed by Pakistan Air Force today of 1 of the 4 targets where it had dropped 6 bombs on 27th Feb’19. The video was recorded from the weapon itself and is until the time of Impact. This video is of the Target of India’s Narian Arms Support Depo in Naushera Sector.



https://twitter.com/anasmallick/status/ ... 43907?s=21
While explaining the wreckage and rockets recovered from Abhinadan’s downed Mig-21 Bison by PAF on 27th Feb’19. “Any Independent analyst who wants to examine the wreckage and missiles of IAF's Mig-21 aircraft will be welcomed by PAF” says Air Marshal Haseeb Paracha, VC Ops PAF.



https://twitter.com/druzwa/status/11729 ... 26240?s=21
Actually found the reply from Paracha to be funny/witty. On being asked whether the Mig was shot by f16 or jf17, he answered how does it matter whether someone got hit by my left hand or right.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Philip » 15 Sep 2019 08:45

Ha!Ha! Like Deng's famous statement about a cat's colour being immaterial as long as it caught rats!
The Chin influence upon the Paki military mindset is steadily growing....

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Postby Aditya_V » 15 Sep 2019 12:02

So PAF admitting it tried to hit military targets, no miltary including US can waste PGM, that too for a target a few KM from the LOC, let alone expensive H4 by PAF. So obviously we must have hit something militarily significant for the PA/PAF on 26 Feb 19 morning for their response
But shows the importance of having ability of intercept PGM near our military HQs and weapon systems with air defences batteries and Sam's.

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Postby shaun » 15 Sep 2019 12:12

It's more about the narrative that they have created . In the other thread the good general speaking about the absence of ISPR like org needed for such hybrid warfare.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby wig » 17 Sep 2019 17:39

Promotions of four major generals to three star rank were announced on September, 11, 2019.
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They are Major General Chiragh Haider, Frontier Force Regiment, currently director general, military training, Major General Mohammad Aamer Nadeem, EME, chairman, space and upper atmosphere research organisation (SUPARCO), Major General Nadeem Ahmed Anjum, Punjab, currently commandant, staff college, Quetta and Major General Khalid Zia, Frontier Force Regiment, currently, GOC 33 Infantry Div, Quetta.


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One of his favourites, Major General Asif Ghafoor, artillery, who has been holding the high profile post of director general, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) and was widely expected to make it to three star rank, has missed out despite being fairly senior in the list of eligible major generals.

Two of those promoted are junior to him.


https://www.rediff.com/news/report/pak- ... 190912.htm

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Postby Rakesh » 19 Sep 2019 01:02

Some humour.... :lol: When called out, he labels it as sarcasm!

And why onlee F-16? What happened to the JF-17? :lol:

https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/stat ... 4685343745 ----> We should have allowed Modi to fly over us....it's a mistake to prevent him. When he would be flying over us, we should have sent out F-16s to force him to land in Pak and then keep him hostage till he lifts the curfew in IOK.

Above tweet in response to this...

Pakistan turns down India's request to open its airspace for PM's flight to US
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 186086.cms

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Postby wig » 25 Sep 2019 10:05

Pak strategy seems to be use of drones to deliver materiel for terrorists

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punja ... 37669.html
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Two days after the recovery of arms and ammunition and busting of a terrorist module, the Punjab Police today recovered a drone allegedly used by groups in Pakistan to drop weapons in the state. The cops acted on the confession of Akashdeep Singh and his accomplices.

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Postby wig » 25 Sep 2019 10:09

Drones from Pakistan dropped arms in Punjab: DGP
this is from the 23 sep 2019
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/news/ ... 36676.html

extracts from the above
WEAPONS SEIZED
5 AK-47 rifles with 16 magazines and 472 rounds of ammunition
4 China-made .30 bore pistols, 8 magazines & 72 rounds of ammo
9 hand grenades, 5 satellite phones with the ancillary equipment
2 mobile phones, 2 wireless sets and Rs 10 lakh fake currency notes


and
Groups based in Pakistan reportedly used a drone to drop weapons inside the Indian territory near Khalra village in Tarn Taran district earlier this month, violating Indian air space. The arms were believed to be meant for terrorists in Punjab or Kashmir, Punjab DGP Dinkar Gupta told The Tribune. He said it was the first incident of its kind.
The police had last week arrested 10 persons in Tarn Taran following a mysterious blast. The DGP said the drone incident coincided with the busting of a terror module with the arrest of four persons affiliated with the now revived Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) which was backed by a Pakistan and Germany-based terror organisation. Five AK-47 rifles, pistols, satellite phones and hand grenades were seized from the module members.

After initial investigations revealed that drones were being used to deliver weapons and communication hardware from across the border,

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Postby Aditya_V » 26 Sep 2019 23:57

Guys I have a questions regarding the Egyptian Mirage V and the PAF deal.

1) These aircraft had been used by the Egptian Airforce for over 40 years and had been mothballed for more than 3 years.
2) That would suggest they are not flight worthy and need extensive multi year refurbishment as the airframe life etc will be over. How many will fly how many will be used for spares is a question
3) The PAF choose these instead of newer Block III JF 17? Why money? Surely the Chinese would have accepted deferred payment over cash upfront to the Egptians and then French refurbishment cost. This talks a lot about JF 17 capability.
4) Paki s have soo many squadrons for Mirage 3/5. Sure they acquired 200 aircraft over the years from 1970, but reading newspapers at 2-3 aircraft per year I.e average 2.5 that is 125 Mirages have crashed for the PAF over 5 decades. That can't leave a fleet of more than 70-75. I think the actual PAF strength is 110 JF 17 , 30 odd F7 PG(still flying?) 75 Mirage 3/5, 74 F16. About 280 aircraft. 25 squadrons is just to please the Awam They have only a strength of 14 squadrons with 5 F16 squadrons which are the backbone with PGM and BVR capability. Plus some of the Mirage 3/5 would have reached end of operational life and need to be retired soon.Ni matter what PAC Kamra does the airframes and engines in many aircraft would have reached their limits. Unless their Pilots don't train and fly with them much. That would explain 27 Feb misses

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 27 Sep 2019 05:59

I think these obsolete Mirages are for suicide strikes on IN if there is a blockade of Karachi.
Hence they probably are good for one way flight.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby nachiket » 27 Sep 2019 06:05

It depends on how much they were used by the Egyptians. Even if they are 40+ years old, they may have residual life left in them. Secondly, if they do not, they can be cannibalized for spare parts to keep the very old paki Mirage fleet flying which cannot be easy.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Sep 2019 10:37

40 years if they were not heavily used then they would have been maintained, plus 2 years moth ball, even 100 hours a year would mean 4000 hours, plus Desert sun. The airframes, wiring etc all would need a rebuild. These will take 2 years to start and 5 years to get all 36 operational with French assistance, Kamra does not make critical parts. It will cost PAF USD 15- 20 Million each.

Most likely these are for spare parts.

Given the PAF mirages date back from 1969, Australian airforce rebuilds etc, crashes over the years. Definitively PAF cannot field more than 70 Mirages. Our Mig 21 Bison's went through massive upgrades from 95-07, we had inducted over 750+ Mig 21's, today we have about 120-130 in Service.

Given Chinese surplus capacity, PAF could have easily gone 24 JF-17 screwdrivergiri per year and retire the Mirages, but chose not to- That itself tells a story, Doesnt it.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby mmasand » 28 Sep 2019 04:00

Any truth to the rumour floating around that China is looking to 'sell' its first aircraft carrier to TSP?

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Postby gpurewal » 28 Sep 2019 04:41

mmasand wrote:Any truth to the rumour floating around that China is looking to 'sell' its first aircraft carrier to TSP?


I hope they do! That AC in the Pak Navy will ensure that the TSP economy gets bankrupted, let alone drain the budget for the Pak Navy.

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Postby Nikhil T » 28 Sep 2019 06:06

I hope too. With lack of a strong surface fleet in PN, it will be a nice juicy target for a Brahmos.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Vips » 28 Sep 2019 19:50

If i remember right, one of the recent Brahmos test was a 90 degree vertical dive (anti aircraft carrier) one :twisted:
Now just waiting for the 800 KM range Brahmos to come.

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Postby Khalsa » 29 Sep 2019 04:34

gpurewal wrote:
mmasand wrote:Any truth to the rumour floating around that China is looking to 'sell' its first aircraft carrier to TSP?


I hope they do! That AC in the Pak Navy will ensure that the TSP economy gets bankrupted, let alone drain the budget for the Pak Navy.



Not going to happen easily with Pak Army deciding where the budget goes.
Next up Civilian Govt that fake signs it off will be facing pressure from Army and Civilian side.

The only way its happening if ChainA (China) picks up the costs of selling it and running it.

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Postby pushkar.bhat » 30 Sep 2019 16:48

Report's indicate that large number of Pakistani Mercenaries among those killed or captured in Saudi-Yemen war in Najran. Reports indicate that 3 Saudi Army Brigades have surrendered with their equipment to the Houti Rebels. Gen Rahil Sharif the Ex-Pak Army Chief is the commander of the Saudi lead forces.

Houthis claim to have killed 500 Saudi soldiers in major attack

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Sid » 30 Sep 2019 17:44

pushkar.bhat wrote:Report's indicate that large number of Pakistani Mercenaries among those killed or captured in Saudi-Yemen war in Najran. Reports indicate that 3 Saudi Army Brigades have surrendered with their equipment to the Houti Rebels. Gen Rahil Sharif the Ex-Pak Army Chief is the commander of the Saudi lead forces.

Houthis claim to have killed 500 Saudi soldiers in major attack


Basically a cross border raid inside SA, and successfully dimantling 3 brigades is some feat.

Bagging thousands of our neighbors is just plain humiliation. How can they allow their citizens to fight another country’s war for money? Probably that’s why Yemen war is still gng on since these folks don’t want their gravy train to stop.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby maz » 30 Sep 2019 18:07

Turkey starts work on the first of 4 MILGEM corvettes for Pak Navy.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/ship-en ... lt/1597298

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Postby Aditya_V » 30 Sep 2019 18:21

Is Pakistan Purchasing S70B Helicopters and UAV for these corvettes? How efficient will the CODAD propulsion be in Wartime?

Most of the Armanents for these are US origin, with the recent spat between Turkey and USA, will these be converted to Chinese missiles and Helicopters?

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby nachiket » 01 Oct 2019 01:19

mmasand wrote:Any truth to the rumour floating around that China is looking to 'sell' its first aircraft carrier to TSP?

I'd be happy if they do. Even if China hands over the carrier and the entire air wing for free, the pakis would burn through $$ keeping them operational. And without enough surface combatants with cutting edge SAM systems, that carrier would be Brahmos food in an actual war.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 01 Oct 2019 01:44

nachiket wrote:
mmasand wrote:Any truth to the rumour floating around that China is looking to 'sell' its first aircraft carrier to TSP?

I'd be happy if they do. Even if China hands over the carrier and the entire air wing for free, the pakis would burn through $$ keeping them operational. And without enough surface combatants with cutting edge SAM systems, that carrier would be Brahmos food in an actual war.

That is not the point. Pakistan is always willing to burn $$ as long it is not Paki dollars. They have always been able to access bheek ka maal. The point is the prestige that the Pak navy will get to say that like the Indian Navy it too can field an aircraft career. One Pak career, as everyone knows is worth 10 Indian careers. AOA.
Gautam


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