Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion

Ganesh_S · Post by **Ganesh_S** » 05 Feb 2022 20:29

https://youtu.be/1_LuqipmQg0

4 ah1 cobras meet 72 hoors

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 05 Feb 2022 21:28

Ganesh_S wrote:https://youtu.be/1_LuqipmQg0

4 ah1 cobras meet 72 hoors

Not that I don't want this to be true, but all this news is from un verified social media types. Take this with some salt for what its worth.

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 05 Feb 2022 21:28

Guys this is the most credible piece of news I could find till now on baloch action. This one u can take with less pinch of salt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... -third-day

The article corroborates: PA couldnt clear panjgur attack even on day 3 -
the clashes have atleast extended till today
Helicopter gunships were used
Atleast 9 PA soldiers KIA
Reporting not being allowed in the area

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 07 Feb 2022 19:23

Pakistan To Add 50 JF-17 Block III Fighter Jets To Its Air Force; Aims To Counter India’s Powerful S-400 Missiles

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 07 Feb 2022 20:48

Where is the money for 25 x J10C and 50 x JF17 block 3 coming from? Thats a 2B $ order book isnt it? The chinese arent stumping up that cash….

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 08 Feb 2022 01:15

Russian mall has high opex low capex. Western maal the other way round. Chinese maal will only be a tad worser, maybe more since their testing cycles are shorter. This is probably the reason why paf didn’t want Chinese maal besides other possible bloated brochure specs. More the chinese maal increases in paf inventory, more will their opex eat into their capex. Paf has complained about chinese selling them costly spares in past.

AkshaySG · Post by **AkshaySG** » 08 Feb 2022 04:52

Tanaji wrote:Where is the money for 25 x J10C and 50 x JF17 block 3 coming from? Thats a 2B $ order book isnt it? The chinese arent stumping up that cash….

Has to be an either or thing... No way they can afford both even with China paying for most of it

My guess is if it's available then they'll go for the J10 C, It will be a new platform around which they do their usual mental gymnastics and tell their awaam how Super Duper J10 can take on Rafale and S400 easily. They already have quite a few JF-17s and probably understand the pitfalls of that design and know it's not gonna go very far. However if China has a change of heart and blocks the J10 then they'll happily take the extra JF17s

After all Beggers can't be choosers

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Feb 2022 07:25

Look Paki Awam believe JF 17 is totally Paki aircraft and Block 3 can beat F22's. That's what the PAF will play confident with F16 and Aim 120C5, they believe that a long drawn full conflict is unlikely and foreign powers will always intervene.

So PAF will always be on thier territory where they can always have internet blackouts.

So unless IAF is hitting Paki Army Targets with PGMs from well within India, and taking out F16 with BVR, Paf will not take the desperate maneuver of letting its aircraft cross the IB, LOC.

The powers that be must also authorize the forces should be ruthless with the PAF, dismantling PAF H&D is an important goal in rolling back Paki terror infra.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Feb 2022 00:27

Aditya_V wrote:The powers that be must also authorize the forces should be ruthless with the PAF, dismantling PAF H&D is an important goal in rolling back Paki terror infra.

The actual conflict will be short lived and they will face significant loss of H&D.

However Unkil is there is save the day. Not because of any undying love for the Paks, but rather their own H&D is tied into the PAF's. Their 18 Block 50/52s F-16s will be hard pressed to prevail over the Rafale F3R(I) and even the Su-30MKIs, MiG-29UPGs or Mirage 2000Is. They will lose a large number of them in a full blown conflict. But Unkil will replenish their losses. Global F-16 sales are at stake after all

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Feb 2022 00:36

Twitter thread on the Sniper targeting pod used by the PAF's Block 50/52 F-16 C/Ds. Click on the link below....

https://twitter.com/Defence_IDA/status/ ... 6538027018

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Feb 2022 00:36

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... oEYmRSgWWA ---> Due to very low morale among Pakistani FC troops after back to back attacks by Baloch rebels, Pak PM Imran Khan announces a 15% salary increase for FC.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Feb 2022 08:34

Rakesh wrote:Twitter thread on the Sniper targeting pod used by the PAF's Block 50/52 F-16 C/Ds. Click on the link below....

https://twitter.com/Defence_IDA/status/ ... 6538027018

Interesting this could explain a lot of what happened on 27-Feb-19. Was always wondering why an F-16D which PAF with very experienced Pilots-(really Elite) was at the Tip of spear and got shot down that day - this may be the reason. Remember also online video of the PA hurriedly loading the remnants of what looked like F-16 Drop tank on to a Pakistani Army truck, might actually be what was left of a sniper POD.

We know from leaked PAF pilot conversations immediately after Swift retreat that they came for blood and even claimed having killed 350 Indian army men before Battle damage Assessment was done.

This Aircraft with 1 or even 2 sniper pods was probably was giving Targeting info to the other F-16 with LGB for Naushera BHQ and for the Poonch BHQ for Mirage H-4 Bombs.
Group Captain Abhinandan by literally doing a self sacrifice and taking out this particular F-16 with the Barcap firing multiple Amraams he probably saved the day from huge IA casualties. Its like Lion going into a pack of 20 Hyenas and killing the Hyena leader making the rest of the Pack to flee.

No wonder IAF had recommended him for awards.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 10 Feb 2022 19:12

Rakesh wrote:

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... oEYmRSgWWA ---> Due to very low morale among Pakistani FC troops after back to back attacks by Baloch rebels, Pak PM Imran Khan announces a 15% salary increase for FC.

Utilization plan for the new $1 Billion Tranche received from IMF

Afterall Porkistan needs to spend more on its soldiers to defend its motto of Pakistan ka matlab kya - "Radio aur TV Station pe kabzaa kar khaya piya mazaa kiya".

Leonard · Post by **Leonard** » 12 Feb 2022 04:51

Officially 190+ dead ... Possibly 3x that knowing Paki's ways and means of hiding casualties ..

https://twitter.com/realpcube/status/14 ... 64/photo/1

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 12 Feb 2022 05:04

I have a naive question, why wasn't IAF attacking PA positions just like PAF was trying to do for IA? Our entire posture seems to be very slow and hide bound.

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 12 Feb 2022 05:34

Our approach almost seems like the Ramayana serial from the 80s Ravana sends one arrow Ram sends another one and we all look eagerly what happens! Mahabharath was better with multiple arrows launched etc. Jokes apart we know all aircraft can’t be everywhere and SOPs have been reviewed but IAF needs to show what the taxpayer pays for next time PAF gives half a chance

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 12 Feb 2022 05:41

vimal wrote:I have a naive question, why wasn't IAF attacking PA positions just like PAF was trying to do for IA? Our entire posture seems to be very slow and hide bound.

Because the govt said don’t cross LoC.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 12 Feb 2022 05:46

S_Madhukar wrote:Our approach almost seems like the Ramayana serial from the 80s Ravana sends one arrow Ram sends another one and we all look eagerly what happens! Mahabharath was better with multiple arrows launched etc. Jokes apart we know all aircraft can’t be everywhere and SOPs have been reviewed but IAF needs to show what the taxpayer pays for next time PAF gives half a chance

The IAF know how to execute what it allowed by the govt to execute. When one is defending as post Balakote one is always at a disadvantage but our defences held and we knew what was happening. The SOPs would be defined as per the directive of the Govt yes?

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 12 Feb 2022 06:35

^^ That does not make sense, tactical decisions should be made by the commanders on the ground and Modi has been pretty clear about this. We’d already crossed LoC by attacking Balakot so what gives?

This is just a lazy excuse given to cover up lack of initiative within our armed forces. Reminds me of the 1965 war when overruling of a direct order made a huge difference in the fortune of the war.

LakshmanPST · Post by **LakshmanPST** » 12 Feb 2022 08:03

vimal wrote:I have a naive question, why wasn't IAF attacking PA positions just like PAF was trying to do for IA? Our entire posture seems to be very slow and hide bound.

Indian stand has been that the Air Strike was a non-military strike... So, unless Pak attacks us we can not attack their regular army directly...
After Pak responded, we successfully defended our airspace... And PAF failed to attack any IA positions and also lost an F16 that day...
Govt.'s main objective was to send across a message against terrorist attacks and they have achived that objective...
Also, I believe Abhinandan's capture made things complicated...
So, Govt. decided to call it a day...

The only thing PAF won that day is H&D...

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 12 Feb 2022 08:23

vimal wrote:^^ That does not make sense, tactical decisions should be made by the commanders on the ground and Modi has been pretty clear about this. We’d already crossed LoC by attacking Balakot so what gives?

This is just a lazy excuse given to cover up lack of initiative within our armed forces. Reminds me of the 1965 war when overruling of a direct order made a huge difference in the fortune of the war.

Tactics are the finer points that dovetail into a strategy which dovetails into the boundaries that are set. Tactical decisions that do not further the overall goals are dumb. If GOI decided Balakote was non military then all tactics will be within that directive.
Even opportunities that arise in the Fog of battle need that foundation.
In 1965 there was timidity but history tells us that we’re those tactical decisions taken they would have been within what GOI tasked the IA to do.
What do you think would have happened if we took out some PA positions?

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 12 Feb 2022 10:58

A war maybe? Don’t tell me this was not gamed as such

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Feb 2022 11:44

vimal wrote:I have a naive question, why wasn't IAF attacking PA positions just like PAF was trying to do for IA? Our entire posture seems to be very slow and hide bound.

Please see news reports on 26 Feb 19, every media channel was informed by IAF, MOD sources that 3 targets were hit that day at Balakot, Muzaffarabad and Chakoti. DG ISPR was also claiming IAF hit trees and crows in Chakoti area. And then MEA came with a non military strike like peaceful Nuke test.

AND PAF came for blood, high unlikely they would done this for just cannon fodder.

If you really think about things it becomes clear, Pakistan would have never released Abhinandan so quickly unless they were really scared. Just like 1947-48, 65, 71, Siachen, Border skirmishes, Kargil (only Mujahedeen from Kashmir valley no Paki troops) - Pakis will admit the truth 10-15 years down the line when it does affect current events and morale.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 12 Feb 2022 16:27

vimal wrote:A war maybe? Don’t tell me this was not gamed as such

What part of the IAF had no authorisation to cross the LoC don’t you get?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Feb 2022 19:14

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/stat ... Lsdj28l_Lg ---> After years of speculations and discussing that rumour it is finally confirmed! The first J-10C for Pakistan was spotted and as expected it is using the WS-10B Taihang engines.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 16 Feb 2022 15:02

Hope the bakis got to at least paint their flag on the aircraft..

BTW what is the BRF nick-naam for this bird?

(The dingos on the deaf&dumb fora must have been doing 'Vigorous' mijjile maalish after seeing these photos hain)

- begging pardon for resorting to BENIS lingo -

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 16 Feb 2022 16:16

Manish_P wrote:BTW what is the BRF nick-naam for this bird?

Jhatka Gaadi?

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 19 Feb 2022 16:19

I remember reading about the deal in 05/06 in The Chindu for 36 FC-20 aircraft for the Fizzleya
Chanda Vasooli has taken a long time. (Congrats to the many phoren Baki donors for donating to get those "MRI machines" at Shaukat Khanum)

Mean-e-while, Qamar "Steady Legs" Bajwa visiting EU for some spares for those Italian M-109s (This is another "Italian job": Get free M-109A2s if you buy AW-139 Helicopters from Leonardo).

Spot the missing bamboo

(images from https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/stat ... MM3to6aeWQ)

Edit: Bajwa probably sat on the Parcham e Stara o bilal on the way

Before:

After:

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 19 Feb 2022 16:59

For the un initiated Baki lurkers, the Stara O bilal is a phamous car in Al Bakistan
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 691073.cms

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 20 Feb 2022 04:46

MeshaVishwas wrote: Spot the missing bamboo

Bajwa has customized the Bamboo to have inflamed portions like Ben Wa Balls.

He will most certainly try this one on charsi Imran

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 20 Feb 2022 16:24

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Feb 2022 22:07

Pakistan Army Primer

- This is the first episode of a series which will explore the Pakistan Army in detail.
- In this episode of The Perspective, we see the geographical spread of Pakistan Army nine Corps HQs, and their underlying armored, mechanized, infantry, light infantry and artillery divisions.
- Pakistan Army is a large standing army with ~560,000 troops and equal number of manpower in reserve.
- It is organized into nine Corps and three Corps equivalent formations.
- The army has more than 2,000 main battle tanks, and considerable mechanized infantry and artillery assets.

Do have a look. Thanks.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Feb 2022 04:14

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... mhIyocXG2A ---> Pakistan has joined Turkey's TFX 5th gen fighter program says CEO of Turkish Aerospace Industries. TFX may be service ready by 2027-28 {AMCA could be 2-3 years behind it}, which means India would need a 5th gen fighter (F-35/Su-75) as a stop gap.

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... mhIyocXG2A ---> A stopgap for 2-3 years? Firstly that makes no sense. Secondly who actually believes the TFX will be on time? They are well behind ADA/India in aerospace maturity. What does Pakistan bring to the table? But we can see that the narrative is already being created…. [

Fully agree with KSingh. Any excuse to import. My goodness! ]

https://twitter.com/kartachar/status/14 ... mhIyocXG2A ---> Exactly. No engine selected as yet for T-FX & the dates are all just bunkum. No experience even with stealth. The design of T-FX was finalized by Saab with 2 separate configurations offered. The Pakis won’t be able to afford the $4-5 billion co-development cost tag that will come.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Feb 2022 06:54

I thought Fizzleya is dreaming of F-35s gift for being the go-between with Putin.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Feb 2022 07:01

Rakesh wrote:Twitter thread on the Sniper targeting pod used by the PAF's Block 50/52 F-16 C/Ds. Click on the link below....

https://twitter.com/Defence_IDA/status/ ... 6538027018

Paki handle?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Feb 2022 20:46

ramana wrote:I thought Fizzleya is dreaming of F-35s gift for being the go-between with Putin.

If the IAF's MRFA deal does not go the way Uncle Sam wants it, I expect the PAF to get the F-16 Block 70/72.

Maintaining regional parity is very important to Unkil. A playbook that has been used to great effect against India.

The F-35 is unlikely, seeing how everything Western the PAF gets its hands on...duly ends up at a chop shop in Beijing.

There is a well known story of a Chinese air force general (when he was visiting Pakistan in the 80s) who got an opportunity to sit in a PAF F-16. The first thing that Chinese general did after he sat in the cockpit, was to measure the multi-function display with his palm and fingers.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Feb 2022 20:47

ramana wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Twitter thread on the Sniper targeting pod used by the PAF's Block 50/52 F-16 C/Ds. Click on the link below....

https://twitter.com/Defence_IDA/status/ ... 6538027018
Paki handle?

Indeed. But like many Pakistani handles, without the hyperbole. At least with this twitter thread.

AVBharat · Post by **AVBharat** » 23 Feb 2022 22:18

Any idea why these PAF planes are flying in such a close formation?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMPqZvGXEAI8gfc.jpg

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Feb 2022 22:22

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... hs2gygRWog ---> Pakistan to request Russia for S-400 sale and Russian help for Pak to get Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership, during today's Putin-Imran summit: Pak media.