Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Apr 2018 11:48

Austin wrote:Its a certainty if push comes to shove during any Indo-Pak conflict these Barbaria Airforces would send fighters to Pakistan to beef up its fleet , PAF extensively works with Gelf AF and PA is off loading Barbaria Army in Yemen war. Needless to mention Barbaria N Bum is all but a Paki tested one for their master.

Need to watch out on this front !

Not anymore, there are too many consequences to be borne by them unlike 1971, not least they know that there A-5 and its petals. Apart from our population involved in every segment of thier countries. In such a scenario I dont think they will stick themselves out helping the Pakis. Best they will do is some money and Friendly media coverage.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Apr 2018 12:17

Rakesh , Dont declare this death quickly .....The entire Saudi Sunni Muclear weapon is just Pakistan Bomb Tested in 1999. Even Saudis dont deny this now.

Pakistan is currently sending its Regular Army forces on behalf of Saudi to fight the yeminis and its Airforces are deployed to fly the rich wares of Gulf countries.

In 1999 Saudi bankrolled the Pakistan in supporting its Energy Imports even though this was much less than a War.

Aditya are you suggesting that we will threaten ME with A5 if they come to help the Pakistanis ? They will send back all our expats back home

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Apr 2018 12:26

RAND: Prospects for U.S. and Pakistan Air Power Engagement

Key Findings

Engagement

The U.S. Air Force (USAF) would be wise to maintain a steady level of engagement with Pakistan Air Force (PAF), rather than trying to scramble for a rapid engagement when the next cycle begins. The USAF should prepare for the next cycle — now. This can and should be done in a manner which does not jeopardize the growing security engagement between the United States and India. But if past is prologue to the future, there will likely be another such turn of the wheel with Pakistan, and it may well arrive (as it has the past two times) quite literally overnight.

Future Trends

The USAF should understand and accept its role as "loss leader" of U.S.-Pakistan relations. The USAF should not expect its relationship with PAF to be one of institutional parity: PAF has less to offer the USAF than vice versa, while the benefits provided by Pakistan (human intelligence for counterterrorism, facilitation of Taliban reconciliation, nonproliferation cooperation, and policy guarantees of regional stability) will accrue to other parts of the U.S. security establishment.

Recommendations

The U.S. Air Force (USAF) should prepare now for the next cycle of overnight engagement.
The USAF should recognize that it has been, and is likely to be in the future, the "loss leader" of U.S.-Pakistan relations.
The USAF and U.S. policymakers should understand the limits of U.S., and particularly USAF, leverage over Pakistan's choices.
The USAF and U.S. interlocutors should calibrate Pakistan's expectations about what is politically feasible in the United States. They should also recognize the impact of the tone of rhetoric by members of the U.S. policy community.
Subject always to changing geopolitical circumstances, the United States should continue to approve maintenance, training, and support for existing Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s, and be wary of calls to forgo (or accelerate) future transfers.
In cooperation with the Office of the Defense Representative Pakistan, the USAF should request an increase in nonlethal Pakistan-focused International Education and Training for PAF students.
The USAF should offer the opportunity for PAF to send a select officer to serve as an instructor at a USAF school.
The USAF should focus USAF-PAF exercises and training on existing technical capabilities, especially those that support or enable humanitarian aid/disaster relief capabilities.
The United States should — to the extent possible without jeopardizing its relationship with India — consider sales of technical systems that support improved collaboration in areas of shared interests, such as counterterrorism or counterinsurgency missions.
The USAF should discuss the possibility of sharing service lessons learned and best practices through subject-matter expert exchanges.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Apr 2018 12:33

Austin in a conflict if they are arming Pakis that will anyway happen, but away from Media glare they will always consider our threat.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 17 Apr 2018 13:34

Nice pic in the previous page..

Falcons, eagles, a typhoon, a tiger.. aaand a bandar in the midst..

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Apr 2018 13:49

Malaysia considering Paki JF-17s as a"cost-effective" fighter due to a funds shortage.It's earch for a cost-effedctive twin=engined fighter has got nowhere,so it's considering a low-cost option from Pak,V.creditable if it goes ahead with the deal,.
http://www.janes.com/article/79282/dsa- ... a-on-jf-17

[quote]Pakistan in ‘primary level’ talks with Malaysia on JF-17DS
Jon Grevatt, Kuala Lumpur - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
15 April 2018

Pakistan is in preliminary discussions with Malaysia about the potential sale of the JF-17 Thunder seen here in Pakistani colours. Source: IHS Markit/Patrick Allen
Pakistan and Malaysia are in preliminary discussions about the potential export of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, an official from PAC has confirmed to Jane’s .

Speaking at the Defence Services Asia (DSA) 2018 exhibition in Kuala Lumpur on 16 April, the PAC official – who did not want to be identified – said the two governments have had “primary level talks” about a potential sale of the single-engine fighter in order to meet the air combat requirements of the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF).

“We are aware of the potential requirements in Malaysia for cost-effective fighter aircraft,” he said. “There have been no serious talks but through government-to-government channels there have been what we can describe as primary level talks about the JF-17 programme.”

In supporting a potential deal for Malaysia, the official said that PAC is willing to enter collaborative partnerships with local industry through which technologies could be transferred to facilitate either localised component manufacturing or maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO). “Of course, the industrial engagement would depend on the sale of the Malaysian requirement,” he said.

Malaysia initially expressed an interest in the JF-17 several years ago. Jane’s has previously reported that Malaysia’s high commissioner to Pakistan said in December 2015 that Malaysia was considering purchasing the JF-17 and might make a decision “very soon”. However, Malaysia’s defence minister denied the story the following day.

Malaysia’s requirement stems from continuing delays in the RMAF’s programme to procure a twin-engine multirole combat aircraft. This programme, which was announced more than a decade ago, has been hindered largely due to a lack of funds.

/quote]

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Apr 2018 13:58

http://www.janes.com/article/79282/dsa- ... sia-on-jf-

Pak is getting a new fleet tanker courtesy,KSEL
[quote]Key Points
The Pakistan Navy’s new fleet tanker with underway replenishment capabilities has conducted its first sea trials
Platform is on track for delivery in 2018 and will replace an older vessel of the same name
A new fleet tanker on order for the Pakistan Navy has completed its first sea trials.

The 158 m vessel sailed towards the Indian Ocean from the Port of Karachi under its own power in late-March 2018 as part of the trials, and the ship is undergoing further tests to validate its performance parameters ahead of an expected delivery in 2018.

Keel for the tanker was laid down in March 2014 and the platform was subsequently launched by Pakistan’s state-owned company, Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW), in August 2016.

The project is a collaboration between the Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production, which has appointed KSEW as the country’s build partner, and Turkish technology and systems engineering house Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret (STM).

The vessel, which will be in service as PNS Moawin with pennant number 39 once commissioned, has an overall length of 158.4 m and displaces approximately 16,400 tonnes at full load. Moawin has a top speed of 20 kt and will be in service as Pakistan’s largest-ever indigenously built naval ship.

The platform has two deck cranes and two replenishment-at-sea (RAS) masts, one each on the port and starboard sides, which allows it to refuel two vessels simultaneously via the alongside connected replenishment (CONREP) method.

The vessel also features a flight deck to support vertical replenishment (VERTREP) operations, and this can accommodate a single aircraft such as the Sea King helicopter to facilitate the transfer of stores between ships. For improved visibility, at-sea replenishment operations can be co-ordinated from a separate superstructure built amidships. [quote]

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Apr 2018 14:14

Pakistan test-fires enhanced version of Babur cruise missile

Called the Babur Weapon System-1 (B), or Babur-1B, the missile was shown in video footage released by ISPR being launched from a transport-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicle, cruising and later hitting a target at an undisclosed location.

While the range to which the missile was tested was not revealed, ISPR said that the weapon “can strike targets both at land and sea with high accuracy at a range of 700 km”.

The Pakistani military described the Babur as a low-flying, terrain-hugging missile, capable of carrying various types of warheads, and equipped with state-of-the-art navigation technologies of terrain contour matching (TERCOM) and all-time digital scene matching area correlators (DSMAC), which enable the weapon to engage “various type of targets with pinpoint accuracy even in the absence of GPS navigation”.

The ISPR has repeatedly referred to the Babur series of missiles, which are capable of delivering both conventional and nuclear payloads, as “important force multipliers” for Pakistan's policy of strategic deterrence.

The latest development came some two weeks after ISPR announced that Pakistan had conducted a test-firing of its Babur-3 submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM).

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 18 Apr 2018 14:34

Looks like Pakis are a bit taken aback by Gagan shakti and are firing a few Babur's for deterrence and keeping up morale.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Apr 2018 22:35

Pakis are certainly rattled by Gagan Shakti , IAF chief mentioned they have flown AWACS to monitor it

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 19 Apr 2018 03:22

Paki Navy's new fleet tanker completes first sea trials

A new fleet tanker on order for the Pakistan Navy has completed its first sea trials.

The 158 m vessel sailed towards the Indian Ocean from the Port of Karachi under its own power in late-March 2018 as part of the trials, and the ship is undergoing further tests to validate its performance parameters ahead of an expected delivery in 2018.

Keel for the tanker was laid down in March 2014 and the platform was subsequently launched by Pakistan’s state-owned company, Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW), in August 2016.

The project is a collaboration between the Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production, which has appointed KSEW as the country’s build partner, and Turkish technology and systems engineering house Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret (STM).

The vessel, which will be in service as PNS Moawin with pennant number 39 once commissioned, has an overall length of 158.4 m and displaces approximately 16,400 tonnes at full load. Moawin has a top speed of 20 kt and will be in service as Pakistan’s largest-ever indigenously built naval ship.

The platform has two deck cranes and two replenishment-at-sea (RAS) masts, one each on the port and starboard sides, which allows it to refuel two vessels simultaneously via the alongside connected replenishment (CONREP) method.

The vessel also features a flight deck to support vertical replenishment (VERTREP) operations, and this can accommodate a single aircraft such as the Sea King helicopter to facilitate the transfer of stores between ships. For improved visibility, at-sea replenishment operations can be co-ordinated from a separate superstructure built amidships.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Apr 2018 16:46

X Posted from the Army strikes terror camps in PoK thread.

Pakistan was informed of 2016 surgical strikes before announcing to Indian media, says PM Modi in London :

IANS

Predictably the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan continues to deny:

Pakistan again denies surgical strikes across LoC, calls PM Modi's claims false and baseless

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Apr 2018 21:37

Prowlers of the Deep: Documentary on PN Submarine Force

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Apr 2018 22:01

Looks to me Hangoor kill against Khukri was a lucky shot , probably had straight runners first missed and second got lucky , IF PN submarine CO and his officers on board was professional force they would have not fled but would have even engaged Kirpan and other ships that could have come to its rescue later as they had sufficient torpedo and enough fuel to fight it out for few days and go back home but the Submarine fled the scene moment Khukri was hit and ran away saving his life even though no one was hunting the sub.

The coward CO and his officers wanted to come back home alive claiming the lucky hit as professional achievement and rewarded by top brass instead of staying engaged in a war and fighting it out when things were skewed in his favor.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Apr 2018 19:24

Some of the 700,000 Occupation Force Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan get taken down in a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan by Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s aka Pashtun’s aka Pushtun’s .

Clearly the Pathan’s are not going to roll over and permit State Terrorism backed exploitation by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I wonder if the Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s involved in this incident were purely Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s all along or were former “strategic asset” ununiformed Jihadis groomed by the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to export Islamic Terrorism turned into Mujahideen freedom fighter Pathan’s

One soldier killed, three injured in North Waziristan IED blast

PESHAWAR: A security official was ~~martyred~~ killed and three others injured when a bomb disposal unit of Pakistan Army was targeted by an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) in North Waziristan on Sunday.

The three injured soldiers were rushed to the hospital in Miranshah.

The incident took place in the Dre Wastay area of Tehsil Datta Khel. Official sources said that the area was sealed off and movement was restricted.

Two hours later another IED exploded near a quick response force team in Kam Sarobi area. …….

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 25 Apr 2018 10:25

Austin wrote:Prowlers of the Deep: Documentary on PN Submarine Force

Some 80% of Paki sailors can't swim.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 26 Apr 2018 02:05

Damen Shipyards begins work on first of 2 Offshore Patrol Vessels for the PN

Dutch shipbuilder Damen Shipyards has begun work on the first of two 1,900 tonne multipurpose offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) for the Pakistan Navy (PN).

An article published in the April issue of the PN’s Navy News magazine revealed that a steel-cutting ceremony for the first ship was held at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, where the second ship will also be built.

Images have also emerged of a keel-laying ceremony recently held at the same yard showing that the vessel class is being designated the OPV 1900. The ceremony was attended by PN Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff (Projects), Rear Admiral Farrokh Ahmad.

The contract for the OPVs was signed in June 2017.

The 90 m-long vessels will have a full-load displacement of about 1,900 tonnes, and a top speed of 22 kt. The OPVs have been described by the PN as “state-of-the-art vessels” especially suited for anti-surface, anti-air, and maritime security operations.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 Apr 2018 12:45

How are these going to be paid for?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 26 Apr 2018 13:00

Aditya_V wrote:How are these going to be paid for?

Whatever be the means .... But PN is on a roll ... Large order book as well.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2018 17:16

Pak-Indian militaries to conduct first-ever drills together

Pakistani and Indian forces, for the first time, will conduct drills together as both the countries have announced to participate in a multi-nation military exercise to be held in in Russia’s Ural Mountains in August this year.

In Past, Pakistan and Indian soldiers have operated together as peacekeepers under the United Nations.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/30904 ... ia-to-join

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 26 Apr 2018 18:01

Aditya_V wrote:How are these going to be paid for?

Shitistanis will try to do at least something when they see news reports of 50 Plus Indian navy ships ships under construction or negotiations with various shipyards in India. They will try to exhibit (tattered) H&D

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 26 Apr 2018 18:17

we should highlight that last time the forces were together, it was
1. Pakistan was part of India
2. Or pakistani army was in india as PoW

nam · Post by **nam** » 26 Apr 2018 22:34

anupmisra wrote:Pak-Indian militaries to conduct first-ever drills together

Pakistani and Indian forces, for the first time, will conduct drills together as both the countries have announced to participate in a multi-nation military exercise to be held in in Russia’s Ural Mountains in August this year.
In Past, Pakistan and Indian soldiers have operated together as peacekeepers under the United Nations.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/30904 ... ia-to-join

This is a prime example of Chinese being clueless.

Russia brings in India to SCO for counterbalancing China. Chinis trying to be equally smarter, bring in a beggar. I don't understand what were the Chinis thinking while inducting these jokers.

What the Chinis don't seem to be realize, as long as Pak are considered our counter, it is a perfect scenario for us.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Apr 2018 18:44

Budget 2018-19: Rs1.1 trillion proposed for defence

The government proposes to spike allocation for defence by a whopping 18 per cent to Rs1.1 trillion (approximately $9.6bn) for the next fiscal year from the original estimate of Rs920bn for the outgoing financial year. (some of this increase could be inflation and currency devaluation related)

The increase represents the highest growth in defence budget in over a decade

The defence expenditure is 21pc of the total budget outlay for the next year and 3.2pc of gross domestic product.

However, the allocation does not give the complete picture of the defence budget, as it does not include Rs260 bn for pension of retired soldiers and the allocation for major weapon procurement (no idea what this amount could be).

The budget does not include several other allocations for the military, including Rs260bn for pension, which is 76pc of the federal government’s total pension bill, as well as Rs45bn for security enhancement.

major planned military hardware acquisitions are also not part of the Rs1.1tr defence allocation

The actual defence budget which includes unlisted expenses and cost of new weapons procurement for the next year could be around 33% of their national budget.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1404337/budge ... or-defence

nam · Post by **nam** » 28 Apr 2018 19:23

So Pakistan OPEX is 21% of their budget. Our open+capex is 12% of the budget.

Both don't include pensions.thier defence pension is 75% of thier federal pension pot.

Need to accelerate our BMD programs. Pakis should be made to build more nukes.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Apr 2018 13:43

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

As stated in my Post of 29 April 18 03:50 - on the Terroristan Thread– the known and admitted Terroristani Defence Budget is NOT T. R. 1.100 TRILLION BUT T. R. 1.460! I now, reluctantly but unequivocally agree that the “Good Daackter” is firmly in The Terroristani Army’s KONTROL!

The defence budget

We are in the midst of a hybrid war which is the ‘synchronised use of multiple instruments of power tailored to specific vulnerabilities across the full spectrum of societal functions to achieve synergistic effects.’ The principal objective behind this hybrid war is to weaken Pakistan through a synchronised attack that includes economic warfare, supporting domestic unrest, diplomatic onslaught, along with regular and irregular military operations. We need to replace a uni-dimensional National Security Strategy focused singularly on military security with a synchronised strategy of a counter attack.

Yes, Budget 2018-19 has increased defence allocation by 10 percent, Rs1.1 trillion, while the hike in current expenditures is 20 percent (development expenditure down by 20 percent). Here is an account of a few popular myths about our defence budget.

Myth number 1: Our largest expenditure item is defence. Not true. The largest expenditure item in the budget is debt-servicing. The second largest expenditure, which is deliberately hidden in budget figures, will actually be eaten up by losses of Public Sector Enterprises like PIA, the Pakistan Steel Mills, power sector and Pakistan Railways. The third largest chunk will go for the Public Sector Development Programme (federal plus provincial). And the fourth largest allocation will go towards ‘Defence Affairs and Services’. Myth number 2: The defence budget takes away the lion’s share of the total budgetary outlay. Not true. In Budget 2018-19, ‘Defence Affairs and Services’ will consume around 18 percent of all the government expenditures. What this means is that a full 82 percent of all government expenditures are not defence related.

Myth number 3: The defence budget has been increasing at a high rate. Not true. In the financial year 2001-02, 17 years ago, the allocation for defence amounted to 4.6 percent of GDP. In 2003-04, the defence budget dropped to 3.9 percent of GDP. Budget 2018-19 has allocated Rs1.1 trillion for ‘Defence Affairs and Services’ which is 3.2 percent of our Rs34 trillion GDP.

Myth number 4: The Pakistan Army consumes almost the entire defence budget. Not true. In the 1960s, Pak Army’s budget as a percentage of our national budget had hit a high of 42 percent. In Budget 2018-19, Pak Army’s budget as a percentage of our national budget has dropped sharply, and it now amounts to 9.6 percent.

Myth number 5: Pakistan spends a very high percentage of its GDP on defence. Not true. There are at least four dozen countries that spend a higher percentage of their GDPs on defence. They include: India, Egypt, Sri Lanka, United States, United Kingdom, South Korea, France, Eritrea, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Liberia, Brunei, Syria, Kuwait, Yemen, Angola, Singapore, Greece, Iran, Bahrain, Djibouti, Morocco, Chile, Lebanon, Russia, Colombia, Zimbabwe, Turkey, Georgia, Guinea-Bissau, Ethiopia, Namibia, Guinea, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Algeria, Serbia and Montenegro, Armenia, Botswana, Ukraine, Uganda, Ecuador, Bulgaria, Lesotho and Sudan.

And now the two facts. Fact number 1: The accumulated amount of the circular debt almost equates the current year’s defence allocation. And what that means is that if we can somehow manage losses within the power sector the savings will cover one year’s defence allocation.

Fact number 2: Pakistan’s armed forces are the 6th largest in the world, but our expenses per soldier are the lowest. The US spends $460,000 per soldier, Saudi Arabia $340,000, India $33,000, Egypt $18,000 and Pakistan $12,000.
Terroristani Armed Forces' Capacity i.e. Man Power and Weapons are NEARLY HALF the Indian Armed Forces' Capacity. Thus the Terroristani Annual Defence Budget CANNOT be Less than US$ 25 BILLION

Cheers

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 29 Apr 2018 16:27

In India, service delivery/budget expenditure to citizens happens by 3 means:
1. Central funds distributed through central schemes
2. Central funds given to state governments and distributed through state schemes
3. State funds raised from state level taxes distributed through state schemes

When we talk of "budget" we mean central budget, i.e. covering 1 and 2 only. A lot of welfare is actually done by the state level machinery - health care, education etc which may or may not be centrally funded.

I am not sure how things are done in Pakistan. As a comparison, I looked at the budget of Sindh province which has about 4.8 crore population and compared with Orissa with about 4.4 crore citizens. While Sindh is not prosperous (lunch eaten by Punjab as we know), nor is it poor, having within it the key commercial capital city of Karachi. Orissa, unfortunately as we know, is among the poorer states of our country despite its natural riches.

Sindh budget: PKR 1.04 trillion, which is approx USD 9.45B
Orissa budget: INR 106911 crores, which is approx USD 16B

Now there are a lot of subtleties here, but if we look at the top level, the state of Orissa has a per-capita budget 1.8 times that of Sindh. In all likelihood, more citizen service delivery happens through Orissa state government for its citizens than through Sindh government for its citizens.

The Pakfauj eating up 18% of their federal budget should be viewed differently in this light.

References:
Sindh: http://fdsindh.gov.pk/site/userfiles/Bu ... 017-18.pdf
Orissa: http://finance.odisha.gov.in/Budgets/20 ... ART-II.pdf

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Apr 2018 17:25

Looking at the IAF thread, Pakis have now replaced all F-7 with JF-17, except around 30 F-7PG acquired in 2002-03 which also retire soon but the Mirages are still being flogged. We will see if the JF-17 replaces these which are due for retirement soon.

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Apr 2018 17:53

X Posted from the Terroristsn thread.

Note spin fed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan which has been italicised:

Pakistan delivers medical assistance to Indian fishermen stuck at sea

By Hafeez TunioPublished: April 29, 2018

KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy has delivered medical assistance to an Indian boat which had developed engine problems eight days back and was lost at sea, according to reports.

A press release issued by the navy in this regard details that PNS Alamgir delivered assistance to Indian fishermen travelling in ST Mars. The fishermen were close to running out of food and water after their boat developed engine problems eight days back. Despite repeated appeals, no Indian boat had come to their rescue. …………………………..

The fishermen thanked the Pakistan Navy for their help, and in a heart-warming gesture, joined the Pakistan Navy in raising slogans of ‘Long live Pakistan’ with utmost gusto. ………………………

“In addition to protecting the borders, naval forces have always been at the forefront of relief and rescue operations. This rescue mission also highlights that Pakistan wants peace in the region,” the spokesperson reaffirmed in a statement to the media. ………………………..

Express Tribune

So let me impart counter spin and say small recompense for India rescuing in April 2017 Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s abandoned by fellow Uniformed Jihadi’s, as is usual practise followed by Uniformed Jihadi’s going back at least to Kargil.

When India came to the aid of Pak.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 30 Apr 2018 03:24

The same week Kulbhushan Jadhav tape came out first.

arun wrote:X Posted from the Terroristsn thread.

Note spin fed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan which has been italicised:

Pakistan delivers medical assistance to Indian fishermen stuck at sea

By Hafeez TunioPublished: April 29, 2018

KARACHI: The Pakistan Navy has delivered medical assistance to an Indian boat which had developed engine problems eight days back and was lost at sea, according to reports.

A press release issued by the navy in this regard details that PNS Alamgir delivered assistance to Indian fishermen travelling in ST Mars. The fishermen were close to running out of food and water after their boat developed engine problems eight days back. Despite repeated appeals, no Indian boat had come to their rescue. …………………………..

The fishermen thanked the Pakistan Navy for their help, and in a heart-warming gesture, joined the Pakistan Navy in raising slogans of ‘Long live Pakistan’ with utmost gusto. ………………………

“In addition to protecting the borders, naval forces have always been at the forefront of relief and rescue operations. This rescue mission also highlights that Pakistan wants peace in the region,” the spokesperson reaffirmed in a statement to the media. ………………………..

Express Tribune
So let me impart counter spin and say small recompense for India rescuing in April 2017 Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s abandoned by fellow Uniformed Jihadi’s, as is usual practise followed by Uniformed Jihadi’s going back at least to Kargil.

When India came to the aid of Pak.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Apr 2018 16:08

Pakistan announces USD9.5 billion defence budget
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
29 April 2018

Pakistan has announced a defence budget of PKR1,100 billion (USD9.5 billion) for fiscal year (FY) 2018-19.

The new figure represents a 20% increase over the PKR920 billion allocated for defence in 2017-18, which was subsequently raised to PKR999 billion, and t he new defence budget amounts to about 19% of the country’s national expenditure for the year and is estimated to be equal to about 3.4% of GDP.

The majority of the 2018-19 defence budget will be directed to “employee-related expenses”. This allocation, which includes military salaries but excludes pensions, receives PKR422.9 billion, a 31% increase over the allocated budget for last year.

naird · Post by **naird** » 30 Apr 2018 16:22

An interesting episode on CCS PAF by Wajahat Khan. I liked how the entire episode was done - non-bombastic at the same time decently informative to layman. I hope someone can do a show on TACDE

naird · Post by **naird** » 30 Apr 2018 17:13

Another excellent vid. Anyways, i dont see our DDM's getting this close to our assets. This vid shows JF 17, F16 , Mirgage and AWECS up close.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 May 2018 20:58

A fighter pilot’s account of the F-86 Sabre – Part 1: Learning to dogfight

A fighter pilot’s account of the F-86 Sabre – Part 2: Punch! Pull! Eject! Ejection rejection in a rattling Sabre

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 08 May 2018 01:41

JF-17 spotted with Aselsan Aselpod LDP. The Bandar will get a dedicated LDP station under the starboard intake only with Block III. So whether there are a 100 JF-17s in service or not is immaterial, they cannot self designate their targets, which explains why one only sees them with dumb bombs.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 May 2018 11:37

If you notice
1) They have only recently claimed a BVR test, even in that launch from aircraft not shown
2) aircraft could not complete vertical loop in airshows
3) No refueling pod even in this block III
4) CM 400 AKG, just a drop test done from Mid Wing weapons point, i.e that means , it is years from service, weighs only 300kg , hardly a 250KM Ballistic missile aircraft carrier killer
5) First time LDP pod being carried, based on everyone else including our experience, this will take years to integrate.

While Pakis have been talking of AESA, Carrier killer missiles, refueling pods, 100% indigenous production AT PAC kamra. It seems more smokes and mirrors H&D. To date dumb bombs and PL-5 missiles with limited maneuverability are the JF-17 capabilities, i.e it is more of a combat haw with afterburners giving it supersonic capability.

I dont see any input from Paki private industry, even PAC Kamra slick Videos dont show any sub assemblies or major metal cutting, forget producing such raw materials in Pakistan. It seems from CKD imports fitted together. Thats PAC Kamra was talking about manufacturing Tabs. Both the Tabs and JF-17 are CKD imports screwdrivered together at PAC kamra.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 08 May 2018 13:25

Kartik wrote:JF-17 spotted with Aselsan Aselpod LDP. The Bandar will get a dedicated LDP station under the starboard intake only with Block III. So whether there are a 100 JF-17s in service or not is immaterial, they cannot self designate their targets, which explains why one only sees them with dumb bombs.

Seems to be the centerline hardpoint. JF-17 does not have any intake pod
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Dy4Vr0c37d4/ ... 8%2529.jpg

The Turkish pod has Sensor Resolutions IR: 640x512 TV: 768x576
Source: http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/capabil ... geting-pod
The Litening pod used by us has resolution of 1K for
http://www.rafael.co.il/Module/ImageDow ... 26A21366D1

Northrop Grumman, which resells Litening in US, says the following -

Full 1K FLIR and CCD, the highest resolution available in any fielded targeting pod

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabili ... fault.aspx

After F-16 was targeted by Taliban Stinger, the JF-17 was used as a mule to carry laser guided bombs while F-16 designated it using LM Sniper pod at a distance.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 09 May 2018 00:28

tsarkar wrote: Seems to be the centerline hardpoint. JF-17 does not have any intake pod
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Dy4Vr0c37d4/ ... 8%2529.jpg

Yes I mentioned that a dedicated LDP hardpoint will come only with Block 3. Till then, they're proofing the Aselpod by carrying it on the centerline. Till date the Bandar was basically unable to self-designate and was just a bomb carrier. That too while ~100 are in service. With the Tejas, it was there even before IOC-II was achieved. Goes to show what the PAF was willing to accept just in order to get it into service versus what the IAF is willing to accept- nothing less than a fully multi-role combat capable bird.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 May 2018 11:09

For LGB you would need a pod or designated by 2nd aircraft to lase the target , I dont think you can do that with FLIR , Reason why we carry lightening pod too , Even Mirages in Kargil used Lightening pod to designate its target with LGB

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 09 May 2018 14:22

Austin wrote:For LGB you would need a pod or designated by 2nd aircraft to lase the target , I dont think you can do that with FLIR , Reason why we carry lightening pod too , Even Mirages in Kargil used Lightening pod to designate its target with LGB

Of course no one designates with a FLIR. It is used to spot targets at night before designating. Without CCD or FLIR Camera, one needs to find targets by plain eyesight.

To spot targets at standoff ranges, one uses a CCD camera at Day and at night one uses a FLIR. The better the resolution, the father one can spot targets. After spotting, the targets are laser designated. Which is why LDP are meaningless without CCD camera or FLIR.

If one designates at short ranges with laser designator and no CCD Camera or FLIR, they become vulnerable to MANPADS/40mm/37mm/35mm/23mm/20mm/14.5mm/12.7mm AA. Nighttime spotting capability is zero without FLIR.

The original Jaguar and MiG-27 had a laser designator at the nose but no camera or FLIR so did only visual range laser bombing. Adding Litening to Jaguar DARIN2 and MiG-27UPG gave standoff bombing capabilities through CCD Camera in Day and FLIR at night.