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Postby arun » 07 Feb 2018 08:30

X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

anupmisra wrote:Army’s refusal to share LoC casualty stats irks Rabbani

The upper house of parliament has sought details of casualties suffered by the military during frequent cross-border exchanges with India along the Line of Control (LoC).
Speaking on behalf of Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, Ali provided civilian casualties only, saying: “Pakistan Army wants to withhold the information about the losses suffered by its troops due to security reasons’.”
“We have written to the GHQ for the details of our soldiers who have lost their lives serving along the LoC. However, the military authorities refused to share the details citing security concerns,” the state minister said.
The military’s reluctance to share information led to a strong reaction from the Senate chairman. “Nothing can be withheld from parliament. I am not ready to accept this. Declare us irresponsible people, then [it will be] fair enough,” Rabbani said. :rotfl:


https://tribune.com.pk/story/1429091/ar ... s-rabbani/


Déjà vu, Kargil redux, a variant of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan refusing to take back the cadavers of their own soldiers who got halaled and seventy-twoed by our Army after infiltrating across the border in mufti while claiming to be “mujahidden”.

The “Jihad Fi Sabillah” aka “Jihad in the Path of allah” part of the “Iiman Taqwa Jihad fi Sabilillah” aka “Faith, Piety, Jihad in the Path of allah” motto of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to be that it is halal for the extermination of Momin Uniformed Jihadi’s by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s to remain unacknowledged.

The obsession of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan with preserving “Honour and Dignity” aka “H&D” even in the face of extermination meted out by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s is truly bereft of any H&D for its exterminated Uniformed Jihadi’s.

Maybe the brand of Mohammaddenism followed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not deny 72 Virgins, 72 Raisins or 72 whatever for those exterminated by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s.

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Postby chola » 08 Feb 2018 21:42

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-helicopter/singapore-airshow-turkey-closes-T129-sale/

Singapore Airshow: Turkey closes in on T129 sale

Pakistan is planning to buy 30 T129 Atak attack helicopters built by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), said Tamer Ozmen, vice president for corporate marketing and communications, at this week’s Singapore Airshow. TAI is very close to signing a contract, he said.


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Postby Sid » 09 Feb 2018 10:37

^^Wonder why they are going for the T129, when they could get the Chinese Z-10 for almost free. They already had one on trial basis for few years. So either their generals are being handsomely paid by TAI, or Z-10 really sucks.

But at the end they will end up operating Cobra's, AH-1Z as well as this new T129. It's a good mix of light/heavy attack helos.

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Postby chola » 09 Feb 2018 17:04

The pakis actually had three Z-10s for three years as trial. According to PDF, they employed them combat and then flew them in their Paki Day parade. So they had plenty of experience with it before going with the T129.

Turkey won’t be able to outpay Cheen. The Z-10 just sucks. At least compared to the T129. The Z-10 is successful enough in Cheen with 120 already in the PLA.

As I said in the international aviation thread, the Turks are impressive in their rise into the exporting ranks. Turkey must be the most efficient muzzie nation out there.

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Postby Aditya_V » 09 Feb 2018 17:10

Z-10 is probably being forced down PLA throats and even Pakis are refusing it. T-129 is to impress Ummah brother. As per Wiki the empty weight is 5100KG, Maximum take off weight is 7000KG. That cant mean a lot of fuel and weapons and God Knows how good the WZ-9 Engines are.

In comparison the Max take off weight of LCH is 5500 KG(Empty weight 2600Kg, 1st prototype 3200kg) with slightly more powerful engines and that includes normal weapons of 700KG.

T 129( Turkish version of Augusta A129CBT with Turkish avionics- basically helicopter developed by Augusta Italy) with similarly powered engines (T129 1361 Hp 2 engines, LCH 1384 HP 2 engines, Z-10 WS-9 1350HP 2 Engines) has 2350kg empty weight and Maximum take off weight 5000KG.

Even to layman Z-10 seems seems to power to weight ratio problem with limited endurance and payload.
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Postby Aditya_V » 09 Feb 2018 17:30

chola wrote:The pakis actually had three Z-10s for three years as trial. According to PDF, they employed them combat and then flew them in their Paki Day parade. So they had plenty of experience with it before going with the T129.

Turkey won’t be able to outpay Cheen. The Z-10 just sucks. At least compared to the T129. The Z-10 is successful enough in Cheen with 120 already in the PLA.

As I said in the international aviation thread, the Turks are impressive in their rise into the exporting ranks. Turkey must be the most efficient muzzie nation out there.


Turkey does assembling and parts manufacture for a lot Western countries and is the Export conduit for Western Manufacturers to the Muslim countries. The T-129 being an Agusta A129 BCT is designed in Italy and parts manufactured in Eurozone. Turkey probably is just doing mostly screwdrivergiri. SO cant directly compare with Z-10 and LCH.

Similarly they make parts for F-16, C-17, C-130, B737 and other western equipment etc.. thats why we imported USD 100 million worth of spare parts and they do the Service and overhauling/ upgrades of PAF F-16's. Even during the Pressler amendment days- US did not shut down the F-16 parts supply to Pakis through Turkey.

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Postby chola » 09 Feb 2018 17:33

Cheen can always buy Kamovs but they make a concerted effort to stay local. Look at the J-10, the thing was crashing prototypes left and right. It is still crashing, sadly killing a very hot looking chini female pilot last year. But they are on the C mark now. They will perservere with the Z-10 in iteration after iteration until it gets better.

But right now it still sucks compared to the T129 which is why even the PRC tallest and deepest butt buddy selected the Turkish helo. This a major win for Turkey and will resonate on the global market.

I hope the LCH can go into the market once our requirements are fulfilled. I hate the “light” part of it though. That stupid naming will weaken its pitch. It is actually a bit heavier than the T129 but with almost the same specs.

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Postby chola » 09 Feb 2018 17:41

Turkey probably is just doing mostly screwdrivergiri. SO cant directly compare with Z-10 and LCH.


Sorry, Saar. It can most definitely be compared to the Z-10 since it just beat it in a competition!

Screwdriver giri, it might be but the T129 is definitely not our kind of screwdriver giri. Tell me which of our screwdriver giri can be exported? (Ok, leaving aside the Advanced Hawk.)

The Turks own full IP to the T129 just as we do for the LCH. They would be comparable options on the world market (if we ever decides to export the LCH.)

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Postby nam » 09 Feb 2018 18:01

Why are Paks buying so many types of combat choppers? They Viper, Mi35, Z10 and now the turkish chopper. If Apaches was available for free, they would take it as well.

Fear that PAF will be no where when Indian tanks roll in?

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Postby Aditya_V » 09 Feb 2018 20:56

Turks own as much as IP as Pakis for JF-17 or we M-2000 or Rafale It is not designed in Turkey and every Chopper has a lot of critical parts and tech. which will flow from Italy with some customization from Turkey. The volumes of T129 procured by Turkey are to low for any real TOT. some 100 pieces

The Shakti engine also we are now producing it in India.

Pakis will take whatever weapons that are given to them. Turkey will have to do some friendly financing

The Z-10 Weighs as much as an Apache but has power of a LCH or T129.

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Postby chola » 09 Feb 2018 21:52

Aditya_V wrote:Turks own as much as IP as Pakis for JF-17 or we M-2000 or Rafale


Aditya ji, we cannot export the M2K or the Rafale. The Turks can export the T129. That is the very definition of IP ownership. The tech might have originated in Italy but the Turks own it now and they can prove that by selling it.

I will agree with you on the JF-17 and T129 since the Pakis can sell that as well. According to the Pakis anyways.

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Postby Zynda » 09 Feb 2018 21:58

T129 is like Su-30MKI. I believe some of the avionics are Turkish in origin even though the airframe, propulsion & stuff is from Italy. Also some of the armaments the T129 carries (or in future) are also Turkish. I think Turkey have (in-service or ongoing design) of an anti-tank missile suitable for T129.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby arun » 20 Feb 2018 09:56

arun wrote:X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

anupmisra wrote:Army’s refusal to share LoC casualty stats irks Rabbani



https://tribune.com.pk/story/1429091/ar ... s-rabbani/


Déjà vu, Kargil redux, a variant of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan refusing to take back the cadavers of their own soldiers who got halaled and seventy-twoed by our Army after infiltrating across the border in mufti while claiming to be “mujahidden”.

The “Jihad Fi Sabillah” aka “Jihad in the Path of allah” part of the “Iiman Taqwa Jihad fi Sabilillah” aka “Faith, Piety, Jihad in the Path of allah” motto of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to be that it is halal for the extermination of Momin Uniformed Jihadi’s by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s to remain unacknowledged.

The obsession of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan with preserving “Honour and Dignity” aka “H&D” even in the face of extermination meted out by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s is truly bereft of any H&D for its exterminated Uniformed Jihadi’s.

Maybe the brand of Mohammaddenism followed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not deny 72 Virgins, 72 Raisins or 72 whatever for those exterminated by “Kaafir” “Dhimmi” Hindu’s.


After refusing to share information on the deaths inflicted by the Indian Army on the LoC with lowly civilians in Parliament, the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan likewise refuses to share information of troop deployment to Saudi Arabia for aiding the Sunni Mohammadden Coalition in their bid to suppress their fellow Mohammadden Shia’s in Yemen in some arcane Intra-Mohammadden belief based sectarian squabble:

Details of troops' deployment in Saudi Arabia can't be revealed: Senate told

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Postby chola » 22 Feb 2018 10:29

The Pakis are celebrating this supposed testing of the Mach 4 capable CM-400AKG ASM from the Blunder.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/966295598545608704

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Postby Aditya_V » 22 Feb 2018 10:40

a) That looks like a drop test.

b) If 2 Missiles are beign carried at Mid Wing Hard point by the JF-17, it probably does not weigh more than 400kg, then in a 160KM Ballistic configuration, its warhead will be 20-40kg. Can it penerate a SHip Armour and deck?

c) Given the nose cone, what kind of terminal guidance will it have, it does not seem to have terminal guidance.

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Postby Sid » 23 Feb 2018 08:18

So basically nothing except AIM-9 were actually operational on these “4.5” gen advanced blunders for all these years, and everyone wondered why they are not being utilized in their “fight against terrorism.

This is amazing, they aquired over 100 of these barely IOC level junk fighters. No wonder China never wanted these.

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Postby Aditya_V » 23 Feb 2018 09:55

Not AIM9, PL5, equivalent to AIM9B

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Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2018 09:40

Pakistan Army and Anti-Tank Guided Missiles
http://vatsrohit.blogspot.ca/2018/02/pa ... uided.html

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Postby chola » 25 Feb 2018 22:46

Recent picture from the paki forum, an armed JF-17 supposedly taking off for a mission against terrorists from Peshawar. Looks like nothing but two dumb bombs. Two drop tanks to augment short legs.

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Plane in foreground is a chini Y-12 19-seat turboprop.

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X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread to the Pashtun Civil War and Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion threads

A series of articles on the oppression that has been unleashed by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan targeting Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns.

Disappointing to see that Quisling Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns serving with the Uniformed Jihadi’s are allowing their fellow Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi’s to run roughshod over their linguistic Pathans aka Pushtuns aka Pashtuns aka Pukhtuns brothers.

Our country must provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral support to the long suffering Pathans aka Pashtun aka Pushtun aka Pukhtun to enable them to stand-up to the State Terrorism and Genocidal oppression practised by the Unformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

March 9, 2018:

To Be Young and Pashtun in Pakistan

March 6, 2018:

Pashtun Protest Reignites Debate About Pakistan’s Counterterrorism Policies

March 3, 2018:

Pashtun Spring: Human rights uprising in Pakistan

Feb 28, 2018:

The Spring Of Pashtun Awakening In Pakistan

Feb 24, 2018:

Pakistan's Pashtuns march for justice : After decades of oppression, discrimination and abuse, Pakistan's Pashtuns are demanding change and justice.

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Postby Aditya_V » 10 Mar 2018 12:31


A couple of points.Apart from this website Quwa( which have even compared JF17 with F22), in the real world no JF17 with refuelling probe has been seen. 2) All JF17 Squadrons seems seem to use J-7 trainers for operational testing, indicating similarities. The JF 17B trainer version is still not ready.
3) Despite big boasts and induction of 100 aircraft. Mid air refuelling is missing, weapon tests only include firing of very short range pl 5b, drop test of the acg 400 and only impact of BVR missile. No launch of missile indicating another Sam or Aam hitting the target is claimed as JF 17 . All in all PAF today is reliant on Mortgages and F16's with JF 17 is still a hanger queen

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Postby VinodTK » 10 Mar 2018 21:21

Source The National Interest: Pakistan Has Just Tested the Ultimate Nuclear Missile

Pakistan has tested a ballistic missile with a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV), the United States confirmed this week.

During testimony to Congress outlining worldwide threats on March 6, Robert Ashley, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), stated: “In January 2017, Pakistan conducted the first test launch of its nuclear-capable Ababeel ballistic missile, demonstrating South Asia’s first MIRV payload.” It appeared to be the first time a U.S. official publicly confirmed that Islamabad tested a MIRVed missile; however, in a report last year on missile threats around the world, the Defense Intelligence Ballistic Missile Analysis Committee noted, “In January 2017, [Pakistan] began testing the MIRVed Ababeel MRBM.”

The Pakistani military first announced its test of the MIRVed missile on January 24, 2017. “Pakistan has conducted its first successful flight test of Surface to Surface Ballistic Missile Ababeel, which has a maximum range of 2,200 kilometers,” the military announced in a press release at the time. “The missile is capable of delivering multiple warheads, using Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) technology.” The statement added that the test was aimed at “validating various design and technical parameters.” No other tests of the Ababeel missiles are known to have taken place since the first one.

Despite these claims, many outside experts questioned whether Pakistan really had developed or tested a MIRV. As the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ Missile Defense Project noted, “Some experts have expressed skepticism as to whether Pakistan has indeed surmounted the various technological hurdles required for MIRVed missiles. MIRV warheads are typically much smaller than unitary warheads, and thus require greater miniaturization. It is unclear if the country has manufactured a miniaturized nuclear warhead small enough to use in a MIRV.” Ashley’s confirmation should put this skepticism to rest.

Development of the Ababeel missile is believed to have begun in the mid-to-late 2000s, and the missile’s design is similar to other Pakistani solid-fuel medium-range ballistic missiles, such as the Shaheen II and Shaheen III, according to CSIS’s Missile Defense Project. Unlike those missiles— which both have two stages— the Ababeel is a three stage missile. The BBC reported back in 2010 that Pakistani missile designers were receiving substantial assistance from China in developing MIRV technology. The Ababeel appears to have a large nose cone, which may allow it to carry multiple warheads even if they are slightly larger than normal MIRVed warheads.

Islamabad’s stated rationale for pursuing MIRV technology is to defeat India’s ballistic-missile defense systems. “Development of Ababeel Weapon System is aimed at ensuring survivability of Pakistan’s ballistic missiles in the growing regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment,” the Pakistani military said in the statement announcing the test last January. “This will further reinforce deterrence.”

MIRVs are undoubtedly useful for defeating missile defenses, as they present numerous targets in close range that interceptors must locate and destroy. At the same time, MIRVs are extremely valuable for counterforce attacks—that is, trying to destroy an adversary’s nuclear arsenal in a surprise first strike. In that sense, they are extremely destabilizing for strategic stability; during the Cold War MIRVs greatly exacerbated the nuclear arms race between the two superpowers.

In an essay on MIRVs during the Cold War, Brendan Rittenhouse Green and Austin Long noted that the Cold War strategic arms race seemed to be stabilizing by the mid-1960s. “But the objective of strategic stability proved illusory,” they write. “The advent of multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs), more powerful warhead yields, and improved missile accuracy enabled both superpowers to target hardened military facilities.” This forced them to build more weapons to ensure the survivability of their arsenals. Both sides quickly came to regret not banning MIRVs before their introduction. And, shortly after the Cold War ended, they agreed to ban all land-based MIRVs in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START II). That treaty was signed but never went into effect.

MIRVs could be especially destabilizing for countries like China, India and Pakistan. Unlike the Cold War superpowers, Beijing, Delhi and Islamabad have maintained relatively small nuclear arsenals that are believed to number in the low hundreds, compared to the tens of thousands the Soviet Union and the United States had during the Cold War. That means their arsenals will be especially vulnerable to powerful counterforce capabilities, like MIRVs. That is why I once called the emergence of Asian MIRVs the most dangerous nuclear threat no one was talking about.

Pakistan is not the first country in Asia to test a MIRVed missile. That distinction belongs to China. It is unclear when China initially tested a MIRVed missile, but the Pentagon first acknowledged that Beijing had that capability in its 2015 report on Chinese military power. France, Britain, Russia and the United States also have MIRVed missiles. During his time in office, President Barack Obama removed all MIRVs on America’s land-based ballistic missiles, but Washington continues to have MIRVed submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

Now that Pakistan and China have them, it seems inevitable that India will join the MIRV club sooner rather than later.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Mar 2018 21:40

^^They always had MIRVs, they count the fragments of missiles that explode as independent. Jokes aside, how is it that what takes US and russia a long time to master they are able to accomplish in fewer time with fewer tests (if there are any). Given history, they are too much into bragging we into too much of concealing

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Postby abhik » 11 Mar 2018 00:20

If they could beg/borrow/steal nukes and MRBMs and couple decades ago, why is it hard to believe they may have MIRVs by now?

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Postby arun » 16 Mar 2018 20:07

arun wrote:
Falijee wrote:Balochis "Hit" Pakis At UNHRC .

Baloch activists raise voice against atrocities by Pak at UNHRC

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Articulating the oppression meted out by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Dominated Deep State of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is not restricted at the sidelines of the current 37th United Nations Human Rights Council session to the oppressed Baloch / Balochi / Baluchi living under Punjabi occupation. The oppression meted out by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Dominated Deep State of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is also being articulated by Sindhi’s and Mohajirs living under Punjabi occupation in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Regards Sindh:

WSC raises issue of human rights violation of Sindhi people in UN

Regards Mohajirs:

Mohajirs welcome India's statement in UN human rights session: Nadeem Nusrat


X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread to the Terroristan, Baluchistan : The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide and Pakistan Armed Forces threads.

More shaming of the Mohammadden Terrorism Islamic Republic of Pakistan at Geneva where the 37th Session of the United Nations Human Rights Council is underway for crimes violating human rights of minorities by State Actors.

Mohajir leader and head of the Mohajir Quami Movement aka MQM, Altaf Hussain, fires a salvo particularly targeting the Uniformed Jihadi’s of Punjab Province Dominated Military. Terms the Uniformed Jihadis of the Punjabi Dominated Military “Mass Murderers” and calls for them to be tried before the ICJ :

"Those corrupt military personnel who support and implement must be held accountable as war criminals, they must be tried before the ICJ (International Court of Justice in The Hague). I request member states to support me and my community, help us to bring these criminals to justice. Mass murderers must be held accountable,"


Accuses the Uniformed Jihadi’s of Punjab Province Dominated Military of oppression since the inception of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

"I represent all those human beings who have been oppressed by the Pakistani militaryregime, since the very inception of Pakistan, and in particular the Mohajirs who had migrated from India to Pakistan in 1947.


Goes to bat against the “Ethnic Cleansing” of what he terms “my fellow Balochis, Pashtoons and people from FATA."

ANI via Business Standard:

Altaf Hussain to UN: Hold Pakistan accountable for war crimes, ethnic cleansing, rights violations

Our Government must provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral Support to ensure freedom and liberation for the many minority linguistic, ethnic, religious and minority Mohammadden sectarian groups that are subject to oppression by the Uniformed Jihadis following Sunni Mohammaddenism from Punjab Province who dominate the Military and the Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.


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Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Mar 2018 03:39

JF17,block 3, here it comes
JF17,block 3, here it comes
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Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 21 Mar 2018 14:24

ArjunPandit wrote:JF17,block 3, here it comes
JF17,block 3, here it comes
Caption please
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Blue Abdul2:" Saab, apni to mush se juice nikal gayi. Ki kare."
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Postby Aditya_V » 22 Mar 2018 14:52

Meanwhile what is the use of Optical Missile tracker, Looks like Pakis are pretty much Nude with respect to tracking incoming missiles

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/in-unprecedented-deal-pakistan-acquires-powerful-missile-tracking-system-from-china-report/articleshow/63412887.cms

"Zheng Mengwei, a researcher with the CAS Institute of Optics and Electronics in Chengdu, Sichuan province, confirmed to the South China Morning Post that Pakistan had bought a highly sophisticated, large-scale optical tracking and measurement system from China," wrote the newspaper.


Seems China has provided High powered Telescopes, Not sure how useful these are for detection of Incoming bogeys, it is more for I guess Photograpghs of Warhead exploding Downrange for H&D photos of ones own Missiles, Kind of like what the Indian Navy took of the Agni I warhead. This MIRV thingie is just for H&D of Indians.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2137643/china-provides-tracking-system-pakistans-missile-programme


An optical system is a critical component in missile testing. It usually comes with a pair of high-performance telescopes equipped with a laser ranger, high-speed camera, infrared detector and a centralised computer system that automatically captures and follows moving targets.

The device records high-resolution images of a missile’s departure from its launcher, stage separation, tail flame and, after the missile re-enters atmosphere, the trajectory of the warheads it releases.

The uniqueness of the Chinese-made system lay in its use of four telescope units, “more than normally required”, Zheng said.

Each telescope, with a detection range of several hundred kilometres, is positioned in a different location, with their timing synchronised precisely with atomic clocks. Together, the telescopes provide visual information of unprecedented detail and accuracy, which missile developers can use to improve designs and engine performance.


Using more telescopes allows the system to track more warheads simultaneously from different angles, reducing the risk of losing a target.

Zheng said he could not elaborate further on the technology nor where in Pakistan it was being used as it involved the country’s defence interests.

“We simply gave them a pair of eyes. They can use them to look at whatever they want to see, even the Moon,” he said.

High-quality optics are essential in missile development, especially MIRVs, said Rong Jili, deputy director at the Beijing Institute of Technology’s School of Aerospace Engineering.

Other types of tracking devices, such as radar, can collect more precise data at longer distances, but the Chinese-made optical system provided the intuitive, close-up look at real-life action that missile developers craved, he said.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby arun » 27 Mar 2018 21:14

Journalist Kiran Nazish originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan reporting from the safety of the US and relative safety of Turkey writes in Vox that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are indulging in the practise of enforced disappearance of journalists.

Pakistan’s powerful and secretive security establishment — which ranges from its feared intelligence agency, the ISI, to the country’s military, which has carried out three coups since its inception in 1947 — has long used abductions to silence anyone who dares to question and expose their actions.


Back in 2015, I experienced the power of the country’s deep state firsthand.

In April, Sabeen Mahmud, a friend of mine and one of the country’s most prominent free speech activists, hosted a panel about disappearances in the country’s largest province, Balochistan. The Pakistani government is fighting a separatist uprising there of Baloch nationalists, and though accurate numbers are difficult to find, more than 20,000 people have reportedly gone missing. The same evening, after the panel concluded, Mahmud was shot and killed by unknown gunmen.

I wrote about her death for an Indian magazine and started receiving threats myself from agents with ISI, Pakistan’s infamous government intelligence agency. They repeatedly told me, both in person and over the phone, that I was going to be killed like my friend Sabeen, “and no one will find who did it.”

I also learned that killing one person and then using their death to generate more fear was a common tactic that the Pakistani intelligence agencies used against journalists. It leads to self-censorship, and it works almost every time.

I was no exception. Since the ISI threatened my life, I’ve been too afraid to live and report in Pakistan, and currently divide my time between New York and Turkey.


Pakistan’s military is waging a quiet war on journalists : As activists and journalists are kidnapped, entire regions of the country are going silent.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 29 Mar 2018 01:51

China to upgrade radar of Pakistan's JF-17 fighters

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China will upgrade Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft with the KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar, according to a 28 March report by the China Daily newspaper.

Hu Mingchun, head of the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) in Jiangsu province, was quoted by the state-owned paper as saying that the newest version of the KLJ-7 fire-control radar (FCR) will substantially improve the combat capabilities of the aircraft.

“Our product will tremendously extend the fighter jet’s detection range, giving it a much longer sight that will help it detect the enemy’s aircraft before they do; and this is very important, because in real combat if you see first, you fire first,” he said.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby arun » 29 Mar 2018 08:18

arun wrote:Journalist Kiran Nazish originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan reporting from the safety of the US and relative safety of Turkey writes in Vox that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are indulging in the practise of enforced disappearance of journalists.

Pakistan’s powerful and secretive security establishment — which ranges from its feared intelligence agency, the ISI, to the country’s military, which has carried out three coups since its inception in 1947 — has long used abductions to silence anyone who dares to question and expose their actions.


Back in 2015, I experienced the power of the country’s deep state firsthand.

In April, Sabeen Mahmud, a friend of mine and one of the country’s most prominent free speech activists, hosted a panel about disappearances in the country’s largest province, Balochistan. The Pakistani government is fighting a separatist uprising there of Baloch nationalists, and though accurate numbers are difficult to find, more than 20,000 people have reportedly gone missing. The same evening, after the panel concluded, Mahmud was shot and killed by unknown gunmen.

I wrote about her death for an Indian magazine and started receiving threats myself from agents with ISI, Pakistan’s infamous government intelligence agency. They repeatedly told me, both in person and over the phone, that I was going to be killed like my friend Sabeen, “and no one will find who did it.”

I also learned that killing one person and then using their death to generate more fear was a common tactic that the Pakistani intelligence agencies used against journalists. It leads to self-censorship, and it works almost every time.

I was no exception. Since the ISI threatened my life, I’ve been too afraid to live and report in Pakistan, and currently divide my time between New York and Turkey.


Pakistan’s military is waging a quiet war on journalists : As activists and journalists are kidnapped, entire regions of the country are going silent.


Journalist Daud Khattak originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, reporting from under the protective umbrella of working for the US Government Controlled Radio Mashall wing of Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), writes in The Diplomat about the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are indulging in the practise of intimidating journalists in self censoring silence.

…………. there is an abundance of caution {By the Pakistani Media} when it comes to subjects involving the army, its intelligence agencies, or even the retired officers of the armed forces. Media outlets know well the most probable outcome of negative coverage: being branded anti-state, a foreign agent, a traitor etc.

That seems to be one of the reasons for the media blackout of Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) gatherings in Islamabad and parts of Balochistan province in February and March. Manzoor Pashteen, the 26-year-old PTM leader, is accused of being anti-Pakistan, an agent of RAW (India’s intelligence agency), and getting funds from foreign countries.


India must continue to provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral support to the Pathan / Pushtun / Pashtun struggle against Punjabi domination.

The Hard Limits of Pakistan's Media Freedom : Self-censorship out of fear might explain a near media blackout on reporting widespread Pashtun protests.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Khalsa » 31 Mar 2018 15:20

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Pakistan conducts another successful test of submarine-launched cruise missile 'Babur'
https://www.geo.tv/latest/188591-pakistan-successfully-test-fires-submarine-launched-cruise-missile-babur

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 31 Mar 2018 15:49

A nuke slcm would be their first or second strike weapon depending how they want to use with element of discretion and surprise , babul would certainly more than 450 km

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 02 Apr 2018 22:07

Nice video of 1st squadron that converted to JF-17 fighter from Chinese F-7P


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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 02 Apr 2018 23:01

Part 2 of the documentary on Sea Rescue Ops of PAF


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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 02 Apr 2018 23:17

Raj47 has published some pics of Nasr storage facilities near the border


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